January Priority

[egg]

1 hour ago, Turkish said:

It’s one of those rare occasions that MLG is right. We’ve got 4 strikers on the payroll who cost about £45m between them. Our first choice is the leagues leading goal scorer, we’re not replacing him so we’re looking for back up players. Why are we going to add another back up striker when we’ve got 3 already 2 of which have proven themselves more than capable in this league? The only way we’re being another one in is if 2 leave. 

Yep. AA is our striker and Archer is back up. We're scoring for fun and won't waste money on anyone else.

I'm not sure we'll bring anyone else in.

[Convict Colony]

16 hours ago, notnowcato said:

A Walker-Peters at RB behind Fellows would bring the balance needed for a 4 at the back system. 
 

Obviously we’re not getting KWP back but that’s the type and standard of FB we need. 

yeah went RB as well for this reason seems am in small minority.

Dont think we need a new goalkeeper or striker for half a season, better to wait until summer unless some unreachable target opens up.

[Turkish]

17 minutes ago, egg said:

Yep. AA is our striker and Archer is back up. We're scoring for fun and won't waste money on anyone else.

I'm not sure we'll bring anyone else in.

i dont think we will either. We're balls deep in Baz and still got a fairly big squad. It'll only be if someone leaves and then probably only a loan

[Saint Fan CaM]

3 hours ago, Matthew Le God said:

Utter bullshit

No it’s not. Perhaps I should have said ‘content’ rather than happy - obviously he doesn’t want to be injured all the time, but that’s where we are with him so he’d hardly go on strike by being managed carefully and given cameo appearances from the bench. But of course you knew what I meant but couldn’t help yourself could you? 🙄

[Saint Fan CaM]

34 minutes ago, egg said:

Yep. AA is our striker and Archer is back up. We're scoring for fun and won't waste money on anyone else.

I'm not sure we'll bring anyone else in.

Trouble is, Archer can’t score…he’s a busted flush, so if AA gets injured where are the goals and (just as importantly) assists coming from? With Stewart injured and Downs going backwards to play boys football, we do very much need a target man, particularly in the second half to give Baz a long option and to help our aerially challenged defence defend free kicks and corners.

[Fabrice29]

13 hours ago, Matthew Le God said:

What profile of striker do you think would be happy to play 2nd fiddle to Armstrong and sit on the bench instead of Archer and Stewart?

Why do they have to play 2nd fiddle to Armstrong? Why can’t we squad build to have options? Why do you think Armstrong is set in stone to be first choice all season now? This isn’t the way a serious club would build a squad. 

It’s perfectly possible to recruit a player who could challenge Armstrong and improve to become an option long term to be an option in the PL too. That’s what Downs was supposed to be, the trick is getting it right. Or the club could back itself to make Downs a success.

[Fabrice29]

3 hours ago, AlexLaw76 said:

When you say no chance of a new keeper, Alfie House believes it can/should happen, even mention Sunderland’s keeper as an example of a possibility 

This guy is not the upgrade people  think he is. We should be recruiting better if we’re focusing on that area. 

[Matthew Le God]

1 hour ago, Saint Fan CaM said:

No it’s not. Perhaps I should have said ‘content’ rather than happy - obviously he doesn’t want to be injured all the time, but that’s where we are with him so he’d hardly go on strike by being managed carefully and given cameo appearances from the bench. But of course you knew what I meant but couldn’t help yourself could you? 🙄

Why would he be content to be injured?

[Midfield_General]

1 hour ago, Fabrice29 said:

Why do they have to play 2nd fiddle to Armstrong? Why can’t we squad build to have options? Why do you think Armstrong is set in stone to be first choice all season now? This isn’t the way a serious club would build a squad. 

It’s perfectly possible to recruit a player who could challenge Armstrong and improve to become an option long term to be an option in the PL too. That’s what Downs was supposed to be, the trick is getting it right. Or the club could back itself to make Downs a success.

It's a really interesting one. All the arguments about how well Armstrong is doing and the fact we've already got 4 centre forwards on the books are totally valid. 

But you'd hope that the club wouldn't see it as simplistically as that. Stewart is permanently injured and bar a miracle, Downs looks like a flop signing who isn't going to contribute much, if anything. That leaves us with Armstrong and Archer as actual realistic options. 

What if Armstrong gets injured tomorrow? Are we going to rely on Archer for the rest of the season to score the number of goals that a team needs to get promoted? 

And then the other point is about the profile of strikers we have. With Stewart out and Downs not ready, our two realistic CF options have quite similar profiles (small, quick, like to play off the shoulder), and there's only really one way we can play in order to play to their strengths, which is how we're playing at the minute. I don't think there's a manager in the land who wouldn't like to have the option to play more than one way, so there is totally still an argument to bring in a bigger, stronger forward who offers more aerial threat.  It's not about having more back-ups, it's about having options with players of different profiles to change it up if it's not working or we get sussed out. The fabled 'Plan B' that everyone says a manager should always have. 

I don't think we will get another striker either btw, but there's definitely an argument for it that is more nuanced than 'we're already got 4 centre forwards so we don't need any more'. I guess the problem is that regardless of who is permanently injured or just not good enough, we still have to pay them all, so if we need to make space then we should send Downs out on loan to find his feet or his confidence or whatever, and get a better version of him in.

Edited yesterday at 12:04 by Midfield_General

[Matthew Le God]

32 minutes ago, Fabrice29 said:

Why do they have to play 2nd fiddle to Armstrong? Why can’t we squad build to have options? Why do you think Armstrong is set in stone to be first choice all season now? This isn’t the way a serious club would build a squad. 

It’s perfectly possible to recruit a player who could challenge Armstrong and improve to become an option long term to be an option in the PL too. That’s what Downs was supposed to be, the trick is getting it right. Or the club could back itself to make Downs a success.

Pretty easy to make a good case for Armstrong being the best goalscorer in the league. So he doesn't need an upgrade for this season and would be expensive to do so. The time we need an upgrade for Armstrong is if/when we are back in the Premier League, as he struggles at that level. It would also be significantly easier to both attract and afford someone who is a big upgrade on Armstrong as a PL club. Archer and injury prone Stewart are both capable of scoring in this league. If Archer was needed to start games I think he'd score goals in the current setup under Eckert with their confidence levels.

[Fabrice29]

51 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

Pretty easy to make a good case for Armstrong being the best goalscorer in the league. So he doesn't need an upgrade for this season and would be expensive to do so. The time we need an upgrade for Armstrong is if/when we are back in the Premier League, as he struggles at that level. It would also be significantly easier to both attract and afford someone who is a big upgrade on Armstrong as a PL club. Archer and injury prone Stewart are both capable of scoring in this league. If Archer was needed to start games I think he'd score goals in the current setup under Eckert with their confidence levels.

I don’t disagree with anything you’ve said but again, why do we have to think so matter of factly? Armstrong is the best therefore he’s number 1 for the whole season. Injured, form and different tactics have to be considered

It’s perfectly reasonable to want a squad of strikers, especially with different attributes. So yes, Archer can step in, I’m with you on that, he’s more than capable of stepping up in a competent side at this level but what if we want a different profile of attacker? Something different against Millwall might have been nice. So that’s where Downs and Stewart step in, if fit and firing I’d say we’re all good in that area but if for whatever reasons the club feel they can’t contribute this season, another striker is a must because I’m not convinced the youth strikers have a different profile either. 

What I would actually suggest the club do is offload Aribo and bring in a physical presence that can play wide and down the middle. That makes most sense to me. If it’s a permanent transfer then I see no reason you can’t find somebody who you think will contribute in the PL over the years too. That’s the whole point of recruiting permanent players. Yes we aren’t necessarily going to sign a PL ready player who is knocking back those clubs for us but no reason we can’t sign somebody for the long term and now. 

Edited yesterday at 12:56 by Fabrice29

[Saint Fan CaM]

2 hours ago, Matthew Le God said:

Why would he be content to be injured?

What? I didn’t say that - I said he would content to sit on the bench (given his injury record).

[Matthew Le God]

11 minutes ago, Saint Fan CaM said:

What? I didn’t say that - I said he would content to sit on the bench (given his injury record).

You did. You said...

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Stewart would be more than happy to spend most of his in the treatment room

You then switched happy to content. So that is you saying he is content to spend most of his time in the treatment room.

[Saint Fan CaM]

7 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

You did. You said...

You then switched happy to content. So that is you saying he is content to spend most of his time in the treatment room.

As usual you quote out of context to self-serve your sad lust to police others posts. Grow up and stop being a complete numpty - you might get a little more respect.

[Matthew Le God]

1 minute ago, Saint Fan CaM said:

As usual you quote out of context to self-serve your sad lust to police others posts. Grow up and stop being a complete numpty - you might get a little more respect.

What context is missing from this direct quote of what you said?

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Stewart would be more than happy to spend most of his in the treatment room

 

[Saint Fan CaM]

2 hours ago, Matthew Le God said:

Pretty easy to make a good case for Armstrong being the best goalscorer in the league. So he doesn't need an upgrade for this season and would be expensive to do so. The time we need an upgrade for Armstrong is if/when we are back in the Premier League, as he struggles at that level. It would also be significantly easier to both attract and afford someone who is a big upgrade on Armstrong as a PL club. Archer and injury prone Stewart are both capable of scoring in this league. If Archer was needed to start games I think he'd score goals in the current setup under Eckert with their confidence levels.

Archer has how many goals so far in the Championship? He doesn’t look remotely capable of scoring, even in one on one chances. Stewart might be able to score if he was anywhere near match fit before the season ends - a risky gamble at best. And what if AA gets injured or suspended - who steps up to the plate? If there’s any ambition to go up we need a decent CF and have done for years - an indisputable fact.

[Wade Garrett]

19 hours ago, Willo of Whiteley said:

We aren’t buying a goalkeeper, you may as well rule that out.

I think we’ll get a wide player on loan, hopefully someone in the Scienza mould.

I don’t see a lot of change. I’m very confident that Aribo and Edozie will be on their way out, maybe a couple of other fringe players out on loan too.

Why are you so sure we’re not buying a keeper?  We could loan one.  Bazunu is not good enough.

[Matthew Le God]

21 minutes ago, Saint Fan CaM said:

Archer has how many goals so far in the Championship? He doesn’t look remotely capable of scoring

19 Championship goals

[Golac's Cunning Stunts]

22 minutes ago, Wade Garrett said:

Why are you so sure we’re not buying a keeper?  We could loan one.  Bazunu is not good enough.

I agree with you - he is far from good enough. Problem is nobody at the club seems to have noticed! Hope you are right and we get at least a half decent keeper in but I doubt it will happen

[tdmickey3]

1 hour ago, Matthew Le God said:

19 Championship goals

This season ??

[wild-saint]

Keeper for me. Take Stokes Number 1 or Trafford on loan.

[Saint Fan CaM]

1 hour ago, Matthew Le God said:

19 Championship goals

For someone so cock-sure when policing others, you have a spectacularly underdeveloped understanding of what’s happening in the here and now! Let me help you…he’s scored nothing this season and more to the point has missed some very good chances. He needs to move on so we can get a proper CF.

Edited 20 hours ago by Saint Fan CaM
Extra clarity for MLG

[Matthew Le God]

5 minutes ago, Saint Fan CaM said:

For someone so cock-sure when policing others, you have a spectacularly underdeveloped understanding of what’s happening in the here and now! Let me help you…he’s scored nothing this season and more to the point has missed some very good chances. He needs to move on so we can get a proper CF.

You said he hadn't scored Championship goals and wasn't any good at finishing one on ones. He has 19 goals in the Championship, including a goal this season.

His lack of goals this season is because he is backup to the best goalscorer in the league and due to that is restricted largely to cameos. It is harder to score in cameos than when starting games.

I think he'd look very different if starting games on our team in their current form.

[Willo of Whiteley]

9 hours ago, AlexLaw76 said:

When you say no chance of a new keeper, Alfie House believes it can/should happen, even mention Sunderland’s keeper as an example of a possibility 

Just to reiterate, I think WE SHOULD get a goalkeeper. 
But I don’t see George Long’s pointless loan being cancelled. Alex McCarthy isn’t leaving when he’s on stupid money and six months left. Neither will Gavin Bazunu. Plus you still have Aaron Ramsdale on the books.

[AlexLaw76]

1 minute ago, Willo of Whiteley said:

Just to reiterate, I think WE SHOULD get a goalkeeper. 
But I don’t see George Long’s pointless loan being cancelled. Alex McCarthy isn’t leaving when he’s on stupid money and six months left. Neither will Gavin Bazunu. Plus you still have Aaron Ramsdale on the books.

Even Alfie House said on the TSP that the Sunderland keeper will surely happen.

They may be his own wishful thinking but he has not had a steer to say no from the club. 

[Willo of Whiteley]

1 minute ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Even Alfie House said on the TSP that the Sunderland keeper will surely happen.

They may be his own wishful thinking but he has not had a steer to say no from the club. 

Listened on my way home to work, but he said that’s who “he would go after without fail”.

[macca155]

Buying strikers in January is notoriously difficult. Everybody wants one, and those that have one scoring aren't selling. Armstrong and Azaz are top scorers in this league, Scienza won't be far behind soon. Might get a loan but who will want to play as back up to Armstrong. Night as well use our youngsters for that.

Forget any goalkeepers coming in. The club are committed to Bazunu and Ramsdale looms large.

A classy solid CB may be an option. Decent money might prise someone away from a competitor. Need someone to put their head on the ball.

Loan back Walker Peters he's doing fuck all at West Ham. Imagine him linking with Fellows.

I still think Jan will be all about players leaving.

Edited 20 hours ago by macca155

[Willo of Whiteley]

33 minutes ago, macca155 said:

I still think Jan will be all about players leaving.

This entirely. There is so much deadwood around the place still and those wages will still need bringing down.

As I’ve mentioned above, I think we should get a GK, but I don’t think it’s seen as a priority.

I reckon we’ll end up getting a wide player, someone in that David Brooks mould of two years ago. (A loan).

The only other position possibly would be a full back dependant on another defender leaving or a loan being cancelled.

[The Kraken]

Potentially something to bear in mind, James Bree’s loan spell expires in January. I think we’d assume it would be natural that it gets extended to the end the season, but it’s not been announced yet as far as I know.
 

I agree with the above posts.  Once our two right backs and Shea Charles get fit and LND is back (arf) we’re going to have even more players competing for a squad place. We’ve already got a bloated squad, and for reasons of injury or not in favour we’ve already got the likes of Aribo, Edozie, Matsuki, Edwards, Fraser (to an extent) and Downs where a place on the bench is likely the best they can hope for. Add in the youngsters Robinson and Bragg who we’d like to see nurtured, I would be amazed if we brought anyone in without loaning/selling 2 or 3 first.

[SWLondon Saint]

37 minutes ago, The Kraken said:

Potentially something to bear in mind, James Bree’s loan spell expires in January. I think we’d assume it would be natural that it gets extended to the end the season, but it’s not been announced yet as far as I know.
 

I agree with the above posts.  Once our two right backs and Shea Charles get fit and LND is back (arf) we’re going to have even more players competing for a squad place. We’ve already got a bloated squad, and for reasons of injury or not in favour we’ve already got the likes of Aribo, Edozie, Matsuki, Edwards, Fraser (to an extent) and Downs where a place on the bench is likely the best they can hope for. Add in the youngsters Robinson and Bragg who we’d like to see nurtured, I would be amazed if we brought anyone in without loaning/selling 2 or 3 first.

If Bree is happy to come back rather than stay with mad Nate I'd say he'd be the perfect fit at RB/RCB. Cancel Jelert's loan as he seems to be injured the whole time. But I would bet Charlton will do their best to keep him.

[Harry_SFC]

[AlexLaw76]

16 minutes ago, Harry_SFC said:

Bullshit, we have Ramsdale on the books...and Baz is 'fine' for this league

[Tommy Mulgrew]

Is Daniel Peretz a good goalkeeper?

 

 

Peretz is a masterful shot-stopper, as highlighted by his penalty expertise and general all-round performances. He is also a modern custodian in that he is excellent with the ball at his feet and accurate with his distribution.

 

• Goalkeeping
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• GK Handling75
• GK Kicking73
• GK Positioning66
• GK Reflexes77

• Pace74
• Acceleration30
• Sprint Speed42

• Shooting75
• Positioning7
• Finishing8
• Shot Power55
• Long Shots7
• Volleys6
• Penalties12

• Passing73
• Vision41
• Crossing8
• Free Kick Accuracy8
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• Long Passing30
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• Balance39
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• Dribbling14
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• Defending35
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• Heading Accuracy11
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• Physicality66
• Jumping62
• Stamina30
• Strength71
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Daniel Peretz's overall rating in EA SPORTS FC™ 26 is 73

Daniel Peretz is a professional footballer from Israel who plays as a Goalkeeper (GK) for Hamburger SV. Daniel Peretz's Overall Rating is 73.

Age

25

Nation

Israel

League

Bundesliga

Team 
Hamburger SV

 

 

 

also, we seem to be interested in a 19-year-old youngster from Chelsea, named George; a right Charlie, apparently. 😁

https://footballleagueworld.co.uk/southampton-interested-in-chelsea-tyrique-george-transfer/

[Badger]

1 hour ago, Harry_SFC said:

Have to ask what is “ disappointing” about his time with Hamburg. Not getting game time? Then perhaps. But if ‘disappointing’ due to form then it doesn’t seem such an attractive option ( ‘the Israeli Baz’ perhaps). 

[Harry_SFC]

3 minutes ago, Badger said:

Have to ask what is “ disappointing” about his time with Hamburg. Not getting game time? Then perhaps. But if ‘disappointing’ due to form then it doesn’t seem such an attractive option ( ‘the Israeli Baz’ perhaps). 

Looks like he's second choice and only played 2 games. 

[Mboto Gorge]

15 hours ago, Matthew Le God said:

Utter bullshit

Source?

[bpsaint]

3 hours ago, The Kraken said:

Potentially something to bear in mind, James Bree’s loan spell expires in January. I think we’d assume it would be natural that it gets extended to the end the season, but it’s not been announced yet as far as I know.
 

We should 100% get Bree back in so we don’t have to tolerate the “wee man” RWB expirement, plus Roerslev has been less than impressive 

[chiknsmack]

Jelert and Long loans cancelled, Bree returns and Peretz brought in on loan. Minimal financial cost, doesn't tie us to anything long-term, improves the squad. That's the type of movement I'd expect in this window.

(I still like Jelert and would want to see more of him, but he was supposed to be back from injury late last month or early this month and yet hasn't made a squad.)

2 hours ago, Badger said:

Have to ask what is “ disappointing” about his time with Hamburg. Not getting game time? Then perhaps. But if ‘disappointing’ due to form then it doesn’t seem such an attractive option ( ‘the Israeli Baz’ perhaps). 

Bayern are disappointed he's only been playing in the cup.

https://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/25691801.southampton-fc-linked-loan-move-bayern-munich-keeper/

Edited 13 hours ago by chiknsmack

[West end Saints]

13 hours ago, Matthew Le God said:

You said he hadn't scored Championship goals and wasn't any good at finishing one on ones. He has 19 goals in the Championship, including a goal this season.

His lack of goals this season is because he is backup to the best goalscorer in the league and due to that is restricted largely to cameos. It is harder to score in cameos than when starting games.

I think he'd look very different if starting games on our team in their current form.

Our manager typically likes to change most / all of the front three with about 30 mins left.

There will also be injuries.

We may not need to replace Armstrong but do you really feel confident that there isn't a massive downgrade when Aziz, Armstrong and Scienza go off?

How long do you think it will be until Archer next scores?

I know we may have Stewart coming back, and we are not going to spend big, but do you really think there aren't players out there, for example prem league young talent wanting a loan experience who couldn't easily improve our bench over Archer? Or offer an alternative?

 

[Oisin]

Lots of strong arguments about whether we want a cf and I’m firmly in the yes please camp. It was my choice as priority.

Don’t have to agree but my reasoning is that we currently only have one I’d happily rely on. And he’s not a line-leading cf which I personally prefer. Fair play to ArmA and Eckert, we’re making it work spectacularly as it is, but we’re one injury from having no strikers.

I say no strikers … people keep saying we have 4. Downs is dreadful and might improve but he’d need the recovery levels of Lazarus to be useful at any stage this season. Ross is fit 2% of the time. Forget him.

Archer is an interesting one, I want him to do well and think he’s not been given enough of a chance, but he’s basically not scored for two years and is clearly low on confidence. I basically can’t trust to rely on him if it’s needed, much as I want to. Stats from 2+ years ago are not helpful or particularly relevant.

I also think the ability to change the dynamics of the attack is an important tactical weapon, both for helping see out games when sitting deep, or for helping break down stubborn defences when our plan A fails. Under Eckert we haven’t had that second scenario yet, but I’m pretty sure we will at some point.

Not that it mattered but against Leicester Fellows created half a dozen great chances with crosses into the box but we had no one to convert them. A proper number 9 would have done. There are games when this would have cost us.

So because we only have one striker we can rely on (what if he gets injured?) and to provide the tactical flexibility of changing things with a line-leading number 9, I’d very much like us to invest here.

FWIW I think our other weaknesses are gk (but I don’t think the club do), lack of a defensive rb (what’s happening with those we have?), a leader at the back (but we have 5 cbs so doubt we’ll strengthen here), a lb who can stop a cross, and a sub number 10 (so I don’t have to see Aribo again).

Most worrying aside from and ArmA injury would be one to Scienza, but at least we have options to change tactics etc. We clearly can’t find someone of his quality to be a sub just in case. But with a proper number 9 they’d have plenty of game time as well as providing a back up plan should an injury occur, cos IMHO none of Ross, Downs or Archer can fulfill that role reliably.

 

Edited 5 hours ago by Oisin
Typo

[AlexLaw76]

15 hours ago, Willo of Whiteley said:

Listened on my way home to work, but he said that’s who “he would go after without fail”.

Spors has said that the club will look at the keeper situation in Jan.

lets see if anything happens

[James G]

I think anyone from the Russ era, just slowly replace them. We need more height

[die Mannyschaft]

Are we getting a keeper on loan?

[tdmickey3]

2 hours ago, die Mannyschaft said:

Are we getting a keeper on loan?

Hope so, it will make all the difference