Iran

[AlexLaw76]

2 hours ago, Farmer Saint said:

You said "We could obtain more of our own energy from the North Sea in the meantime". How would that work?

yes, we could have. We could have maintained, or even developed the North Sea. As a nation the decision was made to reduce both the capacity and capability to exploit it.

 

[The Kraken]

Dig up, stupid.

[AlexLaw76]

4 minutes ago, The Kraken said:

Dig up, stupid.

Bantz mate

[Weston Super Saint]

1 hour ago, Farmer Saint said:

 

Doesn't really help us from an oil point of view or increasing our energy security as claimed by Alex.

True. But it answers the question about energy from the North Sea...

[Farmer Saint]

1 hour ago, AlexLaw76 said:

yes, we could have. We could have maintained, or even developed the North Sea. As a nation the decision was made to reduce both the capacity and capability to exploit it.

 

No, you posted the following in response to my post about looking into increasing our renewables for more energy security:

"We could obtain more of our own energy from the North Sea in the meantime."

Just admit that you didn't understand how the energy markets worked in relation to our North Sea reserves and we can be done, or we can go through all your other posts showing your misunderstanding and that at no time in those posts were you discussing the fact that Thatcher and her Tories fucked it up for us.

After all, "energy security is not solely about price."

Edited 18 hours ago by Farmer Saint

[AlexLaw76]

17 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

No, you posted the following in response to my post about looking into increasing our renewables for more energy security:

"We could obtain more of our own energy from the North Sea in the meantime."

Just admit that you didn't understand how the energy markets worked in relation to our North Sea reserves and we can be done, or we can go through all your other posts showing your misunderstanding and that at no time in those posts were you discussing the fact that Thatcher and her Tories fucked it up for us.

After all, "energy security is not solely about price."

Yes, to enhance our own energy security and resilience.

Domestic supply reduced reliance on imports (and cost of imports). T

Instead of the current policy of almost banning licences, the UK could (probably should) invest in new technologies in the North Sea (or re-hash current stock). 

You blame Maggie, it was under Blair we (chose) to become Net Importers of gas, and created the the UK Climate Change Programme (leading to Net Zero), whilst 

They are all shit

https://www.woodmac.com/news/opinion/securing-the-future-of-the-uk-north-sea-a-balanced-path-to-net-zero/?utm_source=chatgpt.com

 

Edited 18 hours ago by AlexLaw76

[egg]

4 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Yes, to enhance our own energy security and resilience.

 

Farmer is correct. You talk as if it's our oil and gas. It isn't, and we can't have energy security with energy we don't own.

[egg]

In other news, an Ozzie take on Donny's latest ramblings:

"He's done. He is absolutely fucking done.

This peanut brained tangerine testicle just called CBS News FROM HIS GOLF CLUB in Doral, Florida, and said the war with Iran is "very complete, pretty much."

Very complete. Pretty much. From the golf course. While eight Americans are dead.

Eight families just got the worst phone call of their lives and this fat fraud is sitting in a golf cart telling a reporter it's all wrapped up. Like he's talking about a fucking renovation on one of his bankrupt hotels.

You know what his own Department of Defense posted on the SAME DAY? "We have Only Just Begun to Fight" and "no mercy."

The Commander in Chief says very complete. His own Pentagon says only just begun. That's not mixed messaging. That's a man who has completely lost control of the situation and is making shit up from a sun lounger while the adults keep dropping bombs.

And you know who else thinks "very complete" is horseshit? Benjamin fucking Netanyahu.

Two days ago Bibi was promising "many surprises" for the next phase. Israel's army chief said the war will "likely continue for a long time." Eighty one percent of Israelis support the strikes. Sixty three percent want it to continue until the regime falls. They're pushing for early elections so Netanyahu can ride this war to victory. Der Spiegel called it "a dream for Netanyahu that became true."

Very complete? Netanyahu hasn't even gotten to the good bit yet, you absolute muppet. He's got regime change on the menu and an election to win. He doesn't give a flying fuck about Donald Trump's feelings. Trump is looking for the exit and Netanyahu is ordering another round.

And here's the kicker. Israel's defence minister admitted they were already planning to strike Iran in mid-2026 and that Netanyahu set the goal of assassinating Khamenei back in November 2025. You didn't start this war, Donald. You got talked into it by a bloke who's been playing people since before you figured out how to bankrupt a casino. And now you're standing in a global fucking inferno wondering why it's hot.

Let me tell you what "very complete" looks like in the real world. Brent crude spiked to $119.50 a barrel Monday morning. Then it cratered roughly 30% after Trump's CBS interview. The market heard "very complete" and translated it to "this bloke is shitting himself and looking for the exit." They literally front-ran his cowardice in real time. But even after that 30% drop, oil is STILL up 50% since this genius started bombing Iran. The damage is done. You can't un-fuck an economy with a phone call from a golf club.

The Strait of Hormuz is shut. Saudi Aramco is cutting production. US gas heading to four bucks a gallon. The Nikkei dropped 5%. South Korea's KOSPI dropped 6%. Analysts warning about 1970s stagflation. Eight Americans dead. Eleven Reaper drones shot down. First 100 hours cost $3.7 billion. Fifty thousand troops deployed. CENTCOM planning for operations through September.

And his big move? He has "someone in mind" to lead Iran. Someone in mind. For a country of 88 million people. A civilization that's existed for 5,000 years. Like he's picking a shift manager for a fucking Arby's.

This is who Donald Trump is. This is what he does. Every single time. He breaks everything he touches, declares victory from the wreckage, and leaves someone else to clean it up. Except this time Netanyahu won't let him leave. The Pentagon won't let him leave. The oil markets won't let him leave. Reality won't let him leave.

The war is very complete. The economy is very complete. His presidency is very complete.

He's right about one thing. Something is definitely fucking complete".

[AlexLaw76]

Her Majesty has the exclusive right of searching and boring for and getting petroleum to which this section applies.

(2)This section applies to petroleum (including petroleum in Crown land) which for the time being exists in its natural condition in strata in Great Britain or beneath the territorial sea adjacent to the United Kingdom.

(3)For the purposes of subsection (2), “Crown land” means land which—

(a)belongs to Her Majesty or the Duchy of Cornwall;

(b)belongs to a government department; or

(c)is held in trust for Her Majesty for the purposes of a government department.

(4)Subsection (1) is subject to paragraph 4 of Schedule 3 and subsection (2) is subject to paragraph 5(3) of that Schedule.

[Farmer Saint]

13 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Yes, to enhance our own energy security and resilience.

Domestic supply reduced reliance on imports (and cost of imports). T

Instead of the current policy of almost banning licences, the UK could (probably should) invest in new technologies in the North Sea (or re-hash current stock). 

You blame Maggie, it was under Blair we (chose) to become Net Importers of gas, and created the the UK Climate Change Programme (leading to Net Zero), whilst 

They are all shit

https://www.woodmac.com/news/opinion/securing-the-future-of-the-uk-north-sea-a-balanced-path-to-net-zero/?utm_source=chatgpt.com

 

You're still not getting it. The only way to get energy security is to have the fully vertically integrated network. That's something that was taken away from us by Thatcher and no amount of increasing or decreasing the amount taken from the North Sea will change that.

[AlexLaw76]

5 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

You're still not getting it. The only way to get energy security is to have the fully vertically integrated network. That's something that was taken away from us by Thatcher and no amount of increasing or decreasing the amount taken from the North Sea will change that.

I said be more energy secure, not 'get energy security'...and yes, this could be done with the stuff the UK owns /claims in the North Sea (according to the UK Government anyway)

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But it would be a little cheaper, and/or less reliant on imports

 

Edited 17 hours ago by AlexLaw76

[Farmer Saint]

Just now, AlexLaw76 said:

I said be more energy secure, not 'get energy security'...and yes, this could be done with the stuff the UK owns in the North Sea (according to the UK Government anyway)

No it couldn't because the UK Government:

(a) can't extract it 

(b) can't refine it

(c) can't choose where it then goes

 

That's even before the fact that there's not much there.

[AlexLaw76]

5 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

No it couldn't because the UK Government:

(a) can't extract it 

(b) can't refine it

(c) can't choose where it then goes

 

That's even before the fact that there's not much there.

Crude oil extracted from the North Sea can be sent to exisiting refineries, though refining capacity has declined over the last 20 years (from ~16–17 million tonnes/year to ~9–10 million tonnes/year).

For natural gas, North Sea gas is processed at terminals (e.g., St Fergus Gas Terminal) to remove impurities before being fed into the National Transmission System (NTS) for domestic distribution.

The above restricted due to the reduction in the ability / capacity to store energy.

The UK can use levers of Government to heavily influence where said resources are directed, via taxes, levies and maybe licensing conditions.

Not my words......

Edited 17 hours ago by AlexLaw76

[badgerx16]

50 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Crude oil extracted from the North Sea can be sent to exisiting refineries,

Most North Sea crude, at least 80%, cannot be refined in UK refineries as it is too 'heavy'. It is exported via the international exchanges and we import 'lighter' oil from elsewhere to refine in the 4 remaining refineries.

[moonraker]

7 hours ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Yes, to enhance our own energy security and resilience.

Domestic supply reduced reliance on imports (and cost of imports). T

Instead of the current policy of almost banning licences, the UK could (probably should) invest in new technologies in the North Sea (or re-hash current stock). 

You blame Maggie, it was under Blair we (chose) to become Net Importers of gas, and created the the UK Climate Change Programme (leading to Net Zero), whilst 

They are all shit

https://www.woodmac.com/news/opinion/securing-the-future-of-the-uk-north-sea-a-balanced-path-to-net-zero/?utm_source=chatgpt.com

 

You genuinely do not how the UK energy market works, and I can’t be bothered to explain.  Suffice to say that there is not enough commercially viable gas or oil under the North Sea to secure our energy.  Can you tell me why and how ALL energy pricing, from whatever source, is benchmarked against the price of oil?

Edited 10 hours ago by moonraker

[Farmer Saint]

1 hour ago, moonraker said:

You genuinely do not how the UK energy market works, and I can’t be bothered to explain.  Suffice to say that there is not enough commercially viable gas or oil under the North Sea to secure our energy.  Can you tell me why and how ALL energy pricing, from whatever source, is benchmarked against the price of oil?

It's not worth it, he doesn't get it.

Suffice to say, if we want more energy security then renewables is the way to go.

[Challenger]

8 hours ago, badgerx16 said:

Most North Sea crude, at least 80%, cannot be refined in UK refineries as it is too 'heavy'. It is exported via the international exchanges and we import 'lighter' oil from elsewhere to refine in the 4 remaining refineries.

Been in the oil and gas industry all my working life.

North sea oil is far lighter than middle east oil and is easier to refine into petrol but is no good for the heavier products. A sample of NS oil resembles black water whereas ME ( and other areas) it's more like syrup and has a better calorific value which can be refined into a greater range of products.

[badgerx16]

2 hours ago, Challenger said:

Been in the oil and gas industry all my working life.

North sea oil is far lighter than middle east oil and is easier to refine into petrol but is no good for the heavier products. A sample of NS oil resembles black water whereas ME ( and other areas) it's more like syrup and has a better calorific value which can be refined into a greater range of products.

Just shows you can't trust the Internet to get things the right way round.

Edited 5 hours ago by badgerx16

[Farmer Saint]

1 hour ago, Challenger said:

Been in the oil and gas industry all my working life.

North sea oil is far lighter than middle east oil and is easier to refine into petrol but is no good for the heavier products. A sample of NS oil resembles black water whereas ME ( and other areas) it's more like syrup and has a better calorific value which can be refined into a greater range of products.

And that is what the US is good at refining and most of their refineries are tailored towards (heavy crude). It's why they want Venuzuela's oil, and why they are always so interested in the ME.

[Stripey McStripe Shirt]

I know I shouldn't find this funny because it'll probably result in Trump bombing more and of Iran because it offends his tiny penis, but...

https://www.yahoo.com/news/videos/iran-state-media-share-lego-130648827.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAABaS16LokkOeaXbDTF71z7RVIJ5Umz7fYxAc03PplmetGUnNAaX4cmrxVa9B2z7wm0NmEpHIIakg2yQ5mX-V3IORSUiRX3aTQxe0e2uJR3mfUuwf-iUCynPKdNNFbNQw4QpED9d8LJX1FbN_0BLvPF5LnZvjAw9-HjOPJAQvY5u8

[benjii]

Reading between the lines, including Hegseth's conference today, it does sound like they are planning on just clearing off soon, without any meaningful regime change in Iran.

So we will probably have a re-run of this in a few years.