James Ward-Prowse

[Lighthouse]

We can debate all this ad nauseum but looking at the table; Arsenal, Brighton, Fulham and City have all had fantastic seasons. Bournemouth too, relative to their resources. None of their stadiums are known for being a cauldron of passion and it hasn’t stopped their teams from playing with passion, purpose and a positive mindset. If anything I’d say places like SJP, Goodison and West Ham are more likely to develop a negative, toxic atmosphere than SMS. Fans running on the pitch, berating players, throwing their STs  at the manager, chasing players cars down the street etc. doesn’t help the situation.

As the Scouser said to the toothpaste, deodorant and shampoo salesman; I’m not buying it.

[Lighthouse]

4 minutes ago, Lee On Solent Saint said:

You don't think they didn't? Certainly before relegation was confirmed Leeds fans were pretty decent. I don't agree with what Everton fans have done with threats against their board etc, but they made Goodison noisy. 

And yet they only stayed up because of a completely freak result, away from all their fans, at the Amex, and a GK who’s far better than any other in the bottom half.

[Lee On Solent Saint]

1 minute ago, Lighthouse said:

And yet they only stayed up because of a completely freak result, away from all their fans, at the Amex, and a GK who’s far better than any other in the bottom half.

That may be the case, but at least when it mattered, their players actually stood up and showed that they had some fight in them. What did we get? Same old shrug of the shoulders each week, and another club generated E-mail saying we know what we did wrong and we will learn from our mistakes. 

[Turkish]

 

He could be our Totti, Buffon, Del Piero, Nedved etc

Edited 30 May, 2023 by Turkish

[Lighthouse]

4 hours ago, St Louis said:

It is a completely different landscape now though. If you read Le Tiss's book, he says the best wage he earned here was something like £5,700 a week, and that Chelsea and Spurs were offering something like £6,300 a week (I cant recall the exact figures, but it was along those lines) and he says that he enjoyed it at Saints so much that an extra £600 a week wasnt enough to tempt him. But he does say that in the modern era if he had been on £50,000 a week at Saints and one of the big guns had come along and offered £150,000 a week, it would have made it impossible to stay. The chasm is bigger than its ever been between the 'big' clubs and us.

Personally I think JWP will leave, he will at least want a shot at making the Euro's squad next summer, and he knows he needs to be playing regularly in the Prem to even have a small chance. But us paying him well already (£100k a week) might give us a very slim chance of keeping him, as I cant see him being paid huge amounts more elsewhere.

I kind of see that the other way around. For someone in a low income, unskilled job an annual rise from £20k to £22k is absolutely massive, yet a consultant neurosurgeon jumping from £180k to £200k isn’t really going to change all that much. Obviously tripling someone’s wage is different but I don’t think that’d be on the cards with modern PL money. I think SR would push the boats out to keep him and offer £120kpw and Chelsea or Spurs wouldn’t offer him that much more.

[S-Clarke]

7 minutes ago, Lee On Solent Saint said:

Exactly, I don't agree with what they did and in general I think their fans are awful. But we had several "cup finals" over the past six or seven weeks, and the players couldn't put in a performance to get the fans going. The original point was that we as fans shouldn't be made to blame for a lack of atmosphere when the shit we have been watching is so poor. The team have to provide something on the pitch. 

It's different when it's a one off game though isn't it, you know what you need to do, you know what you need others to do - no other games to fall back on, do or die. Fans will always rouse up an extra atmosphere for that, as you saw at Leicester and Leeds up until 1 min into the game.

Sadly we never got ourselves in the position to create that sort of scenario, so whilst we had lots of 'must win's, they weren't in the same context as a final day show down.

[Lighthouse]

3 minutes ago, Lee On Solent Saint said:

That may be the case, but at least when it mattered, their players actually stood up and showed that they had some fight in them. What did we get? Same old shrug of the shoulders each week, and another club generated E-mail saying we know what we did wrong and we will learn from our mistakes. 

No they didn’t, they’ve been dreadful and easily as weak minded as Saints all season. They completely downed tools at home to Newcastle. Half the ground had left by FT, the team could easily have lost 7-1 with better finishing and a marginal offside.

Pickford is the difference. That’s it, Pickford. Period. They have England’s #1, we have two Championship standard keepers. They say a decent GK is 10 points a season, they finished 11 ahead of it.

[Lee On Solent Saint]

3 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

No they didn’t, they’ve been dreadful and easily as weak minded as Saints all season. They completely downed tools at home to Newcastle. Half the ground had left by FT, the team could easily have lost 7-1 with better finishing and a marginal offside.

Pickford is the difference. That’s it, Pickford. Period. They have England’s #1, we have two Championship standard keepers. They say a decent GK is 10 points a season, they finished 11 ahead of it.

They stayed up. I think that suggests they showed more than us. I can't stand Everton either, but they had more fight in them, even if it was just Pickford. And they were able to pick up points from the teams around them, which is something we failed to do.

[Lee On Solent Saint]

19 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

It's different when it's a one off game though isn't it, you know what you need to do, you know what you need others to do - no other games to fall back on, do or die. Fans will always rouse up an extra atmosphere for that, as you saw at Leicester and Leeds up until 1 min into the game.

Sadly we never got ourselves in the position to create that sort of scenario, so whilst we had lots of 'must win's, they weren't in the same context as a final day show down.

Sure its different, am just fed up with posters on here jumping on the fan base for being so passive and accepting of everything. Bottom line is what we have been watching for x number of seasons has been pretty shit. It's extremely difficult to get enthusiastic about watching us at the moment. I don't think I've ever been so far removed from the club as I feel now. Nobody on the pitch cares, bar one or two players, and certainly nobody at a senior level was too bothered, or if they were, made too many mistakes. 

[Lighthouse]

37 minutes ago, Turkish said:

 

He could be our Totti, Buffon, Del Piero, Nedved etc

As much as I admire that, staying at Juventus when you’re already multiple WC, CL and Serie A winning global superstars really isn’t much of a sacrifice. They’d all gone out and proven themselves at the top level, earned more money than they’ll ever need and knew they’d be back at the top level in pretty much immediately. Totti I would say was akin to if Kane chose to spend his whole career at Spurs. Commendable and no doubt he’d have bigger offers but he’s still paid very handsomely at a club in and out of the Champions League.

[Turkish]

21 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

As much as I admire that, staying at Juventus when you’re already multiple WC, CL and Serie A winning global superstars really isn’t much of a sacrifice. They’d all gone out and proven themselves at the top level, earned more money than they’ll ever need and knew they’d be back at the top level in pretty much immediately. Totti I would say was akin to if Kane chose to spend his whole career at Spurs. Commendable and no doubt he’d have bigger offers but he’s still paid very handsomely at a club in and out of the Champions League.

Incorrect. Totti won stuff. 

[Turkish]

[Lighthouse]

43 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Incorrect. Totti won stuff. 

Which kind of backs up my point. Staying loyal to Miss Sweden when you have an opportunity to sleep with Miss World isn't exactly hardship.

[Turkish]

Just now, Lighthouse said:

Which kind of backs up my point. Staying loyal to Miss Sweden when you have an opportunity to sleep with Miss World isn't exactly hardship.

Have you seen Miss Sweden! 

[OnceaSaintalwaysaSaint]

Must admit, thought there was a good chance he would stay until saw him clapped off against Liverpool. Problem is, with Leicester going down, clubs that might have considered JWP are more likely to be chasing Maddison - which puts JWP exactly where the press have put him, West Ham or a club of a similar ilk. Still, if someone's prepared to pay £40m, there's a lot that can be done with that in the championship. The whole Burnley rebuild didn't cost that much.

[kitch]

On 28/05/2023 at 21:12, Dusic said:

Essentially all four of our CM options will leave (Lavia, JWP, Diallo, AMN) so I would say its the key position for recruitment as even with Smallbone back will need to sign 3 before the start of the season.

Don't think there are any genuine academy prospects in the #6 type position either so recruitment here will be massive.

If Russell Martin is indeed the man, I can see him trying to bring Matt Grimes along in his backpack tbh.

[SaintsFan86]

1 hour ago, OnceaSaintalwaysaSaint said:

Must admit, thought there was a good chance he would stay until saw him clapped off against Liverpool. Problem is, with Leicester going down, clubs that might have considered JWP are more likely to be chasing Maddison - which puts JWP exactly where the press have put him, West Ham or a club of a similar ilk. Still, if someone's prepared to pay £40m, there's a lot that can be done with that in the championship. The whole Burnley rebuild didn't cost that much.

If West ham win there Europa conference final and progress to Europe then for JWP it isn't a bad step. He wants to taste Europe again.

[S-Clarke]

2 minutes ago, SaintsFan86 said:

If West ham win there Europa conference final and progress to Europe then for JWP it isn't a bad step. He wants to taste Europe again.

If he wants CL football etc, then this is probably his last opportunity to get that move I'd say. If he sticks with us this window and brings us back up, he'd back in the PL with us but pushing on 30 - we're not going to make Europe in our first season back, and he'd have less suitors in Europe looking at him at that point.

I think he's got to take the chance and I'm fairly sure there is a Premier League CL club sniffing.

[saintant]

On 29/05/2023 at 20:52, Nemi said:

The openness of that game suited him quite well. As soon as we come up against a team who sit back and hit on the counter he doesn’t have the ability to break them down and boy does it show in the number of times we’ve been a goal down at home and we’re just knocking along the backline.

 

We’re really going to need a penetrative passer in that role next season because 3/4 of the league will be coming to St Mary’s to sit back and maybe nick a goal on the break.

Step forward Matt Grimes of Swansea.

[OldNick]

On 30/05/2023 at 16:08, Lighthouse said:

No they didn’t, they’ve been dreadful and easily as weak minded as Saints all season. They completely downed tools at home to Newcastle. Half the ground had left by FT, the team could easily have lost 7-1 with better finishing and a marginal offside.

Pickford is the difference. That’s it, Pickford. Period. They have England’s #1, we have two Championship standard keepers. They say a decent GK is 10 points a season, they finished 11 ahead of it.

They also had Decoure who made a massive difference scoring some crucial goals. (amazing how Frank put him in the reserves and blanked him, very much the same as he did to the Chelsea centre back. Both came back into their teams and made massive differences)They also had some last minute goals in games they didnt deserve a point. One of them in the 10th minute of injury time. All made that little bit of difference in the end. Dyche did ok but I dont see him as a wonderful saviour.

[Mr Brightside]

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/22543808/james-ward-prowse-southampton-transfer-wolves/amp/
 

[bpsaint]

6 hours ago, Mr Brightside said:

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/22543808/james-ward-prowse-southampton-transfer-wolves/amp/
 

Suppose it’s easy to be “loyal” when this is the level of clubs interested in signing him.

[Ex Lion Tamer]

3 minutes ago, bpsaint said:

Suppose it’s easy to be “loyal” when this is the level of clubs interested in signing him.

I do wonder if he would turn Wolves down and stay with us if they were his best option 

[Dusic]

11 minutes ago, Ex Lion Tamer said:

I do wonder if he would turn Wolves down and stay with us if they were his best option 

Very easy to forget its a tournament season and he has a wage cut at Saints.

99.37% he will leave.

[HarvSFC]

Its Andrew Surman all over again.

[Guest]

He’s not Portuguese. Can’t see it being true on this occasion 😁

[leeham_69]

7 hours ago, Dusic said:

Very easy to forget its a tournament season and he has a wage cut at Saints.

99.37% he will leave.

I got 99.36% in my calculations, not sure if i've made an error or i'm a hopeless optimist.

[Guest]

I think we all know, and JWP must know that his England career is largely over.

He’s only getting into that squad now if there are major injuries to CM’s, and even then, they’ll probably be replaced by youth players instead from the “big six”. 

[a1ex2001]

9 minutes ago, FarehamSaintJames said:

I think we all know, and JWP must know that his England career is largely over.

He’s only getting into that squad now if there are major injuries to CM’s, and even then, they’ll probably be replaced by youth players instead from the “big six”. 

It is certainly over if he is playing championship football.  If he goes to a premiership side and plays at the top of his game he at least has a chance.

I’m pretty certain he will go even if I hope he doesn’t!

[Dman]

12 hours ago, HarvSFC said:

Its Andrew Surman all over again.

I would be interested to hear from Surman if in hindsight, he'd wished he had stayed at the club, given the success of Lallana, morgan etc. who flourished from dropping down a level and getting real opportunities. 

 

Appreciate financially it helped us out and we were in a slightly different situation, when we sold Surman. But from a pure footballing perspective. 

[Turkish]

now there are 4 clubs interested we should be demanding £75m

[SaintsFan86]

11 minutes ago, Turkish said:

now there are 4 clubs interested we should be demanding £75m

I know you mean that tongue in cheek, but I'd be amazed of the clubs interested they would offer what we wanted £40Million.

So far - I imagine he stays for now.

[Ted Bates Statue]

19 minutes ago, Dman said:

I would be interested to hear from Surman if in hindsight, he'd wished he had stayed at the club, given the success of Lallana, morgan etc. who flourished from dropping down a level and getting real opportunities. 

 

Appreciate financially it helped us out and we were in a slightly different situation, when we sold Surman. But from a pure footballing perspective. 

Can't remember for certain, but being a local lad and (I assumed) supporter, I always felt his preference would have been to stay with us. Obviously it didn't work out that way so it's completely hypothetical.

[Chez]

54 minutes ago, Ted Bates Statue said:

Can't remember for certain, but being a local lad and (I assumed) supporter, I always felt his preference would have been to stay with us. Obviously it didn't work out that way so it's completely hypothetical.

He was a Saints fan. His family were too.

I believe he wanted to stay, but the club was in massive trouble, so obviously had to accept an offer from Wolves. Not sure there is much option for him at that point. When a club doesn't want to keep you, I guess you have to depart. His transfer went through on July 1st. The Markus Liebherr negotiations were well underway in June and concluded on July 9th. Perhaps the Surman transfer had been done and dusted in June and just announced July 1st.  If the offer from Wolves had come in later maybe we would have turned it down.

[Tom]

32 minutes ago, Chez said:

He was a Saints fan. His family were too.

I believe he wanted to stay, but the club was in massive trouble, so obviously had to accept an offer from Wolves. Not sure there is much option for him at that point. When a club doesn't want to keep you, I guess you have to depart. His transfer went through on July 1st. The Markus Liebherr negotiations were well underway in June and concluded on July 9th. Perhaps the Surman transfer had been done and dusted in June and just announced July 1st.  If the offer from Wolves had come in later maybe we would have turned it down.

Surman would have happily stayed at Southampton his whole career regardless of what league we're in.

[saintwbu]

I thought I heard Surman himself say in an interview he didn’t want to leave but had to due to the financial implications to Saints at the time if he had stayed - but maybe I dreamt it!

[Chez]

1 minute ago, saintwbu said:

I thought I heard Surman himself say in an interview he didn’t want to leave but had to due to the financial implications to Saints at the time if he had stayed - but maybe I dreamt it!

No, that's about the size of it. We were in admin and the club had to accept the Wolves offer. He couldn't really say "no, I'm not leaving" as the clubs very survival seemingly relied on that transfer money.  

[Mr Brightside]

On 02/06/2023 at 11:18, Turkish said:

now there are 4 clubs interested we should be demanding £75m

Well if there’s a club crazy enough to pay that much, it’s this lot…

https://www.thechelseachronicle.com/transfer-news/chelsea-now-want-to-sign-40m-man-who-once-said-pochettino-made-him-feel-fearless/

 

 

 

[sledger]

saints could probably keep him for another season,leaving him with 2 years,so saints would probably lose little in his value but would have him for the season and i dont think hes the sort to down tools

[waylander]

Kalvin Phillips staying at City leaving Newcastle in search of a midfielder

https://www.skysports.com/football/live-blog/31771/12476234/transfer-centre-live-man-utd-to-move-for-england-duo-mason-mount-and-harry-kane?postid=6011253#liveblog-body

Edited 5 June, 2023 by waylander
typo

[Mr Brightside]

22 minutes ago, waylander said:

Kalvin Phillips staying at City leaving Newcastle in search of a midfielder

https://www.skysports.com/football/live-blog/31771/12476234/transfer-centre-live-man-utd-to-move-for-england-duo-mason-mount-and-harry-kane?postid=6011253#liveblog-body

 

Interested in Lavia too supposedly…
 

https://tbrfootball.com/newcastle-want-to-sign-incredible-50m-midfielder-ahead-of-manchester-united/?amp

[SaintsFan86]

 

[SuperSAINT]

2 minutes ago, SaintsFan86 said:

 

Shoot me now.  £5m bid incoming.

[bpsaint]

Hopefully a bidding war ensues and drives the price up.

[CSA96]

30 minutes ago, SaintsFan86 said:

 

He’ll fit well with the new Spurs boss.

 

[Fabrice Fernandes no.1 fan]

14 hours ago, SaintsFan86 said:

 

A midfield of JWP and Hojbjerg, no-one send any clips of them playing together at Saints, teams might start to realise they want Romeu instead and we can't get any money for JWP

[teamsaint]

Liverpool hoping to get him on the cheap ?

 

£25m is laughable at todays prices, obviously.
 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-12181519/Liverpool-happy-hold-James-Ward-Prowse-Southampton-50m-asking-price.html

[Sussex_saint]

no chance we let him go for that. As the Southampton poster boy, you would hope SR only accept borderline ridiculous bids. For 25m, he may as well slug it out in the championship for a season.

[Chez]

20 hours ago, teamsaint said:

Liverpool hoping to get him on the cheap ?

£25m is laughable at todays prices, obviously.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-12181519/Liverpool-happy-hold-James-Ward-Prowse-Southampton-50m-asking-price.html

Can't see liverpool waiting until the end of the window to see if they can get JWP on the cheap. If they seriously want him, they will look to get the deal done asap.

[david in sweden]

On 01/06/2023 at 22:58, Dusic said:

Very easy to forget its a tournament season and he has a wage cut at Saints.

99.37% he will leave.

I thought it was published that Prowsey was someone who didn't have a relegation salary cut in his contract.