Thedelldays Posted 31 January, 2009 Share Posted 31 January, 2009 enough said Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted 31 January, 2009 Share Posted 31 January, 2009 Probably the same person who decided to replace Rudi Skacel with a complete eejit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 31 January, 2009 Author Share Posted 31 January, 2009 and the same person that got in smith, peckhart, robertson, forecast, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 31 January, 2009 Share Posted 31 January, 2009 How long has this forum been telling these top people they have no idea. I am surprised Saga makes the effort and yet he was treated very badly by this club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint lard Posted 31 January, 2009 Share Posted 31 January, 2009 Fookin ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 31 January, 2009 Share Posted 31 January, 2009 hehehe. Priceless, TDD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExSt Peter Saint Posted 31 January, 2009 Share Posted 31 January, 2009 Couldn't agree more. He is a quality player who wants to do his best for saints. If we'd had his goals in the first half of the season we could be in touch with the rest of the teams above us rather than almost adrift in the bottom three. One of the lowest scoring teams in the division = at the bottom of the league - it's not rocket science. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 31 January, 2009 Share Posted 31 January, 2009 Getting rid of our three established strikers simultaneously at the beginning of the season has really bitten us in the arse. Well done Lowe you *****. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skintsaint Posted 31 January, 2009 Share Posted 31 January, 2009 Agreed... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunrise Posted 31 January, 2009 Share Posted 31 January, 2009 Well Lowe was so sure that our relegationary coaching policy meant we would be ok without the likes of saga. What a **** Lowe is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenridge Posted 31 January, 2009 Share Posted 31 January, 2009 Getting rid of our three established strikers simultaneously at the beginning of the season has really bitten us in the arse. Well done Lowe you *****. This must rank as one of the most reckless and irresponsible actions that the board has ever undertaken. Yes we have no money blah blah blah but you can be damn sure Barclays et al would rather have us in the CCC than League 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint lard Posted 31 January, 2009 Share Posted 31 January, 2009 Just waiting for the "we have no money so we needed to save on wages" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyNorthernSaints Posted 31 January, 2009 Share Posted 31 January, 2009 Getting rid of our three established strikers simultaneously at the beginning of the season has really bitten us in the arse. Well done Lowe you *****. We couldn't afford to pay them but should have got in more experienced and better replacements than Peckhart and Robertson. Plenty of lower league strikers around who could have done a job for us. Also starting the season with no experienced fullbacks was crazy :-( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 31 January, 2009 Share Posted 31 January, 2009 Also starting the season with no experienced fullbacks was crazy :-( Which makes the treatment of Skacel even more inexcusable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint lard Posted 31 January, 2009 Share Posted 31 January, 2009 We couldn't afford to pay them but should have got in more experienced and better replacements than Peckhart and Robertson. Plenty of lower league strikers around who could have done a job for us. Also starting the season with no experienced fullbacks was crazy :-( Didnt take long;) Agreed we wasted any money we did save on complete and utter cack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted 31 January, 2009 Share Posted 31 January, 2009 If he gets our next goal, he will match McGoalkick's scoring tally from open play in the CCC this season. Not sure if that says more about him or DMG TBH. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 31 January, 2009 Share Posted 31 January, 2009 Didnt take long;) Agreed we wasted any money we did save on complete and utter cack. Lowes obsession with quantity over quality, and with any one player drawing a wage bigger than his, probably.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Landrew Posted 31 January, 2009 Share Posted 31 January, 2009 It's Lowe's personally named budget for relegation strategy that has seen Saga go elsewhere. It's the same budget for relegation strategy that got Saints dropping down from the Premiership. It'll be successful again this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted 31 January, 2009 Share Posted 31 January, 2009 who ever decided to loan out saga should be put down TBF, Rupert Lowe is probably quite heavy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted 31 January, 2009 Share Posted 31 January, 2009 TBF, Rupert Lowe is probably quite heavy. + gravity + falling in the snow = :smt102 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mowgli Posted 31 January, 2009 Share Posted 31 January, 2009 How long has this forum been telling these top people they have no idea. I am surprised Saga makes the effort and yet he was treated very badly by this club. It's the bizarre world of football because he made very little effort after we treated him well and gave him a contract! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 31 January, 2009 Share Posted 31 January, 2009 He won me 40 quid! (he was an amazing 7-1! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sambosa75 Posted 31 January, 2009 Share Posted 31 January, 2009 Call me old fasdhioned but it could well have something to do with the fact that we signed him at this point 2 years ago and he did brilliantly and earned himself a well-paid contract as it seemed he had enough goals in him to get us promoted. He was hardly prolific last season, bagging something like 6 goals. Couple that with the fact that he gave a good account of himself in the Euro Championships and then a club came in for him and gave him the opportunity to play in the Champions League against Man Utd, Celtic and Villarreal probably on even more money as well. I know what I would do if I had no major allegiance to Southampton. It's great we've got him back and fantastic to see him showing those around him how its done but to say we should never have sent him out on loan it a little short-sighted. I'm sure there were many, many more factors than Rupert Lowe wanting to stitch the club up as a few people who have agreed with the original post have alluded to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 31 January, 2009 Share Posted 31 January, 2009 Fookin ridiculous. So what would you do to reduce costs then? It is not easy something had to be done unfortunately to reduce costs and Saga played well in Euro 2008 so he was loaned I think Saganowski is our best player overall but we signed John and Euell last season so he did not play much. Surely Rasiak and Saga were OK as strikers for last year with BWP in reserve. If Euell and John were not signed and Crouch did not want Euell anyway we may have saved at least £2m in wages over two seasons maybe more so the cost cutting this year would not have been so great , Results may have been better and attendances up. But the last board thought that if they bought in players success would be guarnteed and a takeover would take place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sambosa75 Posted 31 January, 2009 Share Posted 31 January, 2009 So what would you do to reduce costs then? It is not easy something had to be done unfortunately to reduce costs and Saga played well in Euro 2008 so he was loaned I think Saganowski is our best player overall but we signed John and Euell last season so he did not play much. Surely Rasiak and Saga were OK as strikers for last year with BWP in reserve. If Euell and John were not signed and Crouch did not want Euell anyway we may have saved at least £2m in wages over two seasons maybe more so the cost cutting this year would not have been so great , Results may have been better and attendances up. But the last board thought that if they bought in players success would be guarnteed and a takeover would take place. John B, the truth doesnt go down very well with a lot of these people. Rupert Lowe shouldnt be totally absolved from any blame but for a lof them to suggest Leon Crouch is this clubs saviour is a very misguided notion... in my opinion of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 31 January, 2009 Author Share Posted 31 January, 2009 John...as for reducing costs... forecast peckhart robertson smith pulis gasmi if all of their wages are still below mareks (including agent fees etc) and it was cheaper to have that load of crud than marek then I may well get your gist.. but loaning/signing that lot...wages, fees, agent fees surely cannot be less than paying saga a wage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint lard Posted 31 January, 2009 Share Posted 31 January, 2009 So what would you do to reduce costs then? It is not easy something had to be done unfortunately to reduce costs and Saga played well in Euro 2008 so he was loaned I think Saganowski is our best player overall but we signed John and Euell last season so he did not play much. Surely Rasiak and Saga were OK as strikers for last year with BWP in reserve. If Euell and John were not signed and Crouch did not want Euell anyway we may have saved at least £2m in wages over two seasons maybe more so the cost cutting this year would not have been so great , Results may have been better and attendances up. But the last board thought that if they bought in players success would be guarnteed and a takeover would take place. I think DD has answered in the exact same manner as i would've done to your question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotonist Posted 31 January, 2009 Share Posted 31 January, 2009 but, but, what about the logjam? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted 31 January, 2009 Share Posted 31 January, 2009 If Saga plays every minute of every game for the rest of the season and doesn't score again, he will still have been more prolific than DMG has been thus far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 31 January, 2009 Share Posted 31 January, 2009 I think DD has answered in the exact same manner as i would've done to your question. OK you maybe right I dont know You are posting with hindsight I agree I dont know why Pulis and Gasmi were signed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 31 January, 2009 Author Share Posted 31 January, 2009 OK you maybe right I dont know You are posting with hindsight I agree I dont know why Pulis and Gasmi were signed. i dont think it is hindsight at all..i would be amazed to find more than a handful of saints fans that thought all this with those (terrible) players and saga was good business... I know saga was not great last season.but peckhart pulis etc...WTF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 31 January, 2009 Share Posted 31 January, 2009 'who ever decided to loan out saga should be put down' Does anybody know who it was? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 31 January, 2009 Author Share Posted 31 January, 2009 'who ever decided to loan out saga should be put down' Does anybody know who it was? makes you farking sick to think about it.. not so long ago we actually created alot of chances in a game..only for the likes of mcgoldrick and lallana to be inexperienced (and poor in some cases) to be in the right place..or even able to finish.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minsk Posted 31 January, 2009 Share Posted 31 January, 2009 So what would you do to reduce costs then? It is not easy something had to be done unfortunately to reduce costs and Saga played well in Euro 2008 so he was loaned I think Saganowski is our best player overall but we signed John and Euell last season so he did not play much. Surely Rasiak and Saga were OK as strikers for last year with BWP in reserve. If Euell and John were not signed and Crouch did not want Euell anyway we may have saved at least £2m in wages over two seasons maybe more so the cost cutting this year would not have been so great , Results may have been better and attendances up. But the last board thought that if they bought in players success would be guarnteed and a takeover would take place. It was NOT the LAST board, it was the one BEFORE THAT who wasted all the money. The one which WILDE put in place. He (WILDE) has now put two CEOs in place and between them they have screwed this club. And, as TDD said: Forecast Peckhart Robertson Smith Pulis Gasmi Plus whatever fees have been paid to Kim van der Walles; compensation for Portaloo (I will NEVER believe he bought his own contract out at his old club); wages for coaches sat on gardening leave; wages and expenses for both chairmen (Crouch never took a penny); etc; etc; etc. Add all this together and we could probably not only have retained the services of an international CF for the first half of the season (we had 3 to chose from, and Saga would have been my first choice), but we may have even been able to bring an experienced RB or LB!!!!!! In which case results probably would have been better, meaning attendences would be up and we would be in a better position financially. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebel Posted 31 January, 2009 Share Posted 31 January, 2009 I never really understood why we brought in Stern John and Jason Euell when we should have been cutting our costs (and wage bill) insted of adding expensive players to the squad Euell has turned out to be an expensive free transfer that's for sure and we probably got Stern John instead of a sell on clause in the Kenwyne Jones deal Lee Hoos and Jim Hone really were cr*p at buying players - and managing a football club I'd have played Saga over John every time - a far better passer, much better striker and a player who actually moves off the ball and defends from the front - a much better team player by far Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 31 January, 2009 Share Posted 31 January, 2009 Lee Hoos and Jim Hone really were cr*p at buying players - and managing a football club After Burley got us to the play-offs he ruled the roost.Got whatever he wanted or rolled about on the floor screaming until he was sick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 31 January, 2009 Author Share Posted 31 January, 2009 After Burley got us to the play-offs he ruled the roost.Got whatever he wanted or rolled about on the floor screaming until he was sick. indeed... he was a disgrace the season after the playoffs...he did the bare minimum in getting us there...unlucky on penalties.. but the season after...was a total disgrace..i hope he royally screws the scottish national team up and never works again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 31 January, 2009 Share Posted 31 January, 2009 enough said Same person who put out John, Rasiak and Dyer. Bring back the men!.... Lowe's Total footy with kids looks like its now dead... now lets convert these draws to WINS. MORE MEN PLEASE! (And we can afford it with Crouch as Chairman and the £2m he brings) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 31 January, 2009 Share Posted 31 January, 2009 He should rightly be shown the door. Proof of how clueless the current board under the dictatorship of Lowe are... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WealdSaint Posted 31 January, 2009 Share Posted 31 January, 2009 Scene one: Barclays say........you can't play Saga you can't afford his wages. Rupert nods Scene two (what might have happened if Lowe has stayed in the wilderness) Barclays say.....you can't play Saga you can't afford his wages. Crouch says...Fine I'll pay them myself. ************************************************* Crouch + Pearson + Saga = Comfortable mid table for our club Lowe+Wilde+JP = 2nd from bottom in Jan All in IMHO of course! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harvey Posted 31 January, 2009 Share Posted 31 January, 2009 John B, the truth doesnt go down very well with a lot of these people. Rupert Lowe shouldnt be totally absolved from any blame but for a lof them to suggest Leon Crouch is this clubs saviour is a very misguided notion... in my opinion of course. Mmmmmm Rupert or Leon, let me think :-k............Whatever Leons faults are, I'd sooner trust him than Lowe or Wilde. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 31 January, 2009 Share Posted 31 January, 2009 John...as for reducing costs... forecast peckhart robertson smith pulis gasmi if all of their wages are still below mareks (including agent fees etc) and it was cheaper to have that load of crud than marek then I may well get your gist.. but loaning/signing that lot...wages, fees, agent fees surely cannot be less than paying saga a wage TDD, the truth doesnt go down very well with a lot of these people... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 31 January, 2009 Share Posted 31 January, 2009 Scene one: Barclays say........you can't play Saga you can't afford his wages. Rupert nods Scene two (what might have happened if Lowe has stayed in the wilderness) Barclays say.....you can't play Saga you can't afford his wages. Crouch says...Fine I'll pay them myself. ************************************************* Crouch + Pearson + Saga = Comfortable mid table for our club Lowe+Wilde+JP = 2nd from bottom in Jan All in IMHO of course! Not just yours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Man Do Posted 31 January, 2009 Share Posted 31 January, 2009 Just a quick point ... How many people on here were arguing he should be gotten rid of because he had only scored 3 last year? Secondly and arguably the time away has improved his confidence and has brought him back with renewed enthusiasm? Two sides to any story I suppose though I always said it was daft to loan him out if we could afford him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aussiesaint20 Posted 1 February, 2009 Share Posted 1 February, 2009 The financial reason for loaning him out has been pretty much shot in the foot. If he had played the whole season I'm sure the crowds would be about 1000 to 2000 up on average, which would be enough to pay his wages. But I think playing in the Champions League has given him a lot of confidence which can only help our chances of survival. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aussiesaint20 Posted 1 February, 2009 Share Posted 1 February, 2009 Also anyone on facebook I suggest joining the appreciation society for the great man, search in groups for Saganowski Appreciation Society. Only 39 members at the moment..hardly enough for the man who has our future in his hands.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harvey Posted 1 February, 2009 Share Posted 1 February, 2009 The financial reason for loaning him out has been pretty much shot in the foot. If he had played the whole season I'm sure the crowds would be about 1000 to 2000 up on average, which would be enough to pay his wages. But I think playing in the Champions League has given him a lot of confidence which can only help our chances of survival. It's not rocket science at all is it............?, maybe the people running the club aren't as smart as they would like you to think they are ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopGun Posted 1 February, 2009 Share Posted 1 February, 2009 Probably the same person who decided to replace Rudi Skacel with a complete eejit. I just can't agree with that. Skacel has wanted out for ages so let him go. Saga is a guy who wants to play for Saints. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastleighSoulBoy Posted 1 February, 2009 Share Posted 1 February, 2009 John...as for reducing costs... forecast peckhart robertson smith pulis gasmi if all of their wages are still below mareks (including agent fees etc) and it was cheaper to have that load of crud than marek then I may well get your gist.. but loaning/signing that lot...wages, fees, agent fees surely cannot be less than paying saga a wage Well said DD! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 1 February, 2009 Share Posted 1 February, 2009 The financial reason for loaning him out has been pretty much shot in the foot. If he had played the whole season I'm sure the crowds would be about 1000 to 2000 up on average, which would be enough to pay his wages. But I think playing in the Champions League has given him a lot of confidence which can only help our chances of survival. A pity we dont have enough games left for him to make a difference....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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