Saints Expelled from Playoffs

[Doctoroncall]

Biz of Sport take on it.  Interesting on the point raised regarding certain training session being sacrosanct to coaching team only, no outsiders (even internal staff). Otherwise quite damming. 

 

[saintstowin]

Whenever I see Parson's name I think of parsnips and I don't like parsnips. It's not helping.

Shame we're not in the EU, we could've taken our case to Brussels.

 

[TheAlehouseBrawlers]

43 minutes ago, John Boy Saint said:

I’ll help you out Stu 

2:30 = too-th-urty 😁

it’s a good old Dad joke

Cyril 'gnasher' Sidebottom of Royston Vasey said stop taking the piss

[Osvaldorama]

11 minutes ago, davefizzy14 said:

Another thing, how come we didn't get the full fourteen days to prepare our appeal. The EFL got that totally wrong.

We definitely should not have agreed to this. Pushing it back and delaying it for the full 14 days would have been the smartest move. Wonder what went on here

[saintant]

47 minutes ago, Turkish said:

He’s getting on my tits droning on but can’t disagree with any of this 

 

 

I guess when there are bills to pay he has to go searching in the gutter for clicks.

[saintant]

44 minutes ago, tdmickey3 said:

Shame he didnt show the same attitude when doing his love in for Bielsa

He had a proper well paid job then.

[trousers]

2 minutes ago, Osvaldorama said:

We definitely should not have agreed to this. Pushing it back and delaying it for the full 14 days would have been the smartest move. Wonder what went on here

We engaged a decent lawyer a week too late....?

[saintant]

22 minutes ago, Cuddles said:

Taylor shouldn't have any evidence of Ipswich spying as he had left well before then.

I wonder if we've been warned not to take further legal action regardless? I.e. there were many more spying missions not included in the hearing?

Yeah, I made the same point. Begs the question where did Boro get this snippet from.

[AlexLaw76]

I bet the FA investigation unearths that we have been doing this more and refers it back to The EFL for more sanctions 

imagine starting next season on -12 or something.

Not to worry, people will still want Tonda to stay 

[trousers]

Just now, AlexLaw76 said:

I bet the FA investigation unearths that we have been doing this more

As many times as Bielsa spied, do you think?

[AlexLaw76]

Just now, trousers said:

As many times as Bielsa spied, do you think?

as we have seen, the rules of the game are different now.

So we could be on the block to start with massive negative points.

[trousers]

4 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

as we have seen, the rules of the game are different now.

I wasn't asking about the rules... we already know that the same 'crime' is treated differently now... that's not my point...  I was just wondering who was more prolific at spying (regardless of the different punishments)... Bielsa or Eckert... I guess we'll find out in due course....

Edited 6 hours ago by trousers

[AlexLaw76]

Just now, trousers said:

I wasn't asking about the rules... we already know that the same 'crime' is treated differently now... that's not my point...  I was just wondering who was more prolific at spying... Bielsa or Eckert... I guess we'll find out in due course....

if we are anywhere near the level he was it, we are in a full-on relegation scrap from day 1

[Cuddles]

5 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

as we have seen, the rules of the game are different now.

So we could be on the block to start with massive negative points.

The FA won't be giving sporting sanctions, they will be looking at individuals, from what I understand.

But this may be why we're not taking legal action - the EFL will murder us with additional points if there were other instances.

[BARCELONASAINT]

This is going to be one long summer and no doubt England won't make it any better!

[AlexLaw76]

2 minutes ago, Cuddles said:

The FA won't be giving sporting sanctions, they will be looking at individuals, from what I understand.

But this may be why we're not taking legal action - the EFL will murder us with additional points if there were other instances.

I know, I have not suggested they will

as you say, Investigating individuals may result in unearthing wider spread spying, which would be referred back to The EFL

Edited 6 hours ago by AlexLaw76

[Sheaf Saint]

26 minutes ago, Osvaldorama said:

We definitely should not have agreed to this. Pushing it back and delaying it for the full 14 days would have been the smartest move. Wonder what went on here

We naively and arrogantly believed we would just get a fine if we complied.

What I cannot get my head round is us accepting the additional charges being brought on a Sunday, leaving us 48 hours before the hearing. Serious alarm bells should have been ringing by this point, but it seems our legal team were asleep at the wheel.

[saintant]

1 minute ago, Cuddles said:

The FA won't be giving sporting sanctions, they will be looking at individuals, from what I understand.

But this may be why we're not taking legal action - the EFL will murder us with additional points if there were other instances.

Or they're sweeping it under the carpet because they know full well it's widespread and don't want to open an even bigger can of worms.

[Cuddles]

1 minute ago, AlexLaw76 said:

I know, I have not suggested they will

as you say, Investigating individuals may result in unearthing wider spread spying, which would be referred back to The EFL

Hopefully not!! 😂😂

Fingers crossed it does identify a culture throughout the league though.

[Whitey Grandad]

51 minutes ago, M271 said:

I hope that he doesn’t have ‘evidence’ of many other instances of us spying on other clubs training.

If he did they would have submitted it. What he hasn't revealed is any evidence of other clubs spying. But that would have leaked their planned outcome.

[tdmickey3]

Just now, Cuddles said:

Hopefully not!! 😂😂

Fingers crossed it does identify a culture throughout the league though.

The would be few left as they would have to throw them out surely...... 

[Sheaf Saint]

1 minute ago, saintant said:

Or they're sweeping it under the carpet because they know full well it's widespread and don't want to open an even bigger can of worms.

I can't wait for the Panorama investigation, complete with pixelated analysts being interviewed and voiced by an actor.

You know it's coming.

[BARCELONASAINT]

4 minutes ago, saintant said:

Or they're sweeping it under the carpet because they know full well it's widespread and don't want to open an even bigger can of worms.

absolutely this!

[Whitey Grandad]

27 minutes ago, saintant said:

Yeah, I made the same point. Begs the question where did Boro get this snippet from.

From Taylor's WhatsApp history. 

[saintant]

3 minutes ago, Whitey Grandad said:

From Taylor's WhatsApp history. 

Maybe.

[Maggie May]

Boro fans are utterly obsessed with us. Hopefully they remember they have a game to play tomorrow. 

[Guided Missile]

Forget the football aspect and focus on what clubs are and have to be. They are businesses and this type of thing happens all the time. Remember the emissions scandal in which VW were involved. Volkswagen responded to Dieselgate by quickly acknowledging wrongdoing once regulators uncovered the emissions cheating software, replacing senior leadership including CEO Martin Winterkorn, recalling around 11 million vehicles worldwide, compensating customers through repairs, buybacks and cash settlements, paying more than $30 billion in fines and legal costs, implementing major compliance and governance reforms. Rather than fighting every aspect indefinitely, Volkswagen combined admission, compensation, organisational change and long-term strategic repositioning to rebuild trust and restore commercial performance.

That combination helped Volkswagen recover commercially despite enormous financial damage. By 2017 it had regained its position as one of the world’s largest automakers.

[Cuddles]

8 minutes ago, Whitey Grandad said:

From Taylor's WhatsApp history. 

It's a good point, if they are using an unofficial SFC WhatsApp group for the analysts, Taylor could even still be on there seeing all the latest spying...

[saintant]

1 minute ago, Guided Missile said:

Forget the football aspect and focus on what clubs are and have to be. They are businesses and this type of thing happens all the time. Remember the emissions scandal in which VW were involved. Volkswagen responded to Dieselgate by quickly acknowledging wrongdoing once regulators uncovered the emissions cheating software, replacing senior leadership including CEO Martin Winterkorn, recalling around 11 million vehicles worldwide, compensating customers through repairs, buybacks and cash settlements, paying more than $30 billion in fines and legal costs, implementing major compliance and governance reforms. Rather than fighting every aspect indefinitely, Volkswagen combined admission, compensation, organisational change and long-term strategic repositioning to rebuild trust and restore commercial performance.

That combination helped Volkswagen recover commercially despite enormous financial damage. By 2017 it had regained its position as one of the world’s largest automakers.

Fair point but I guess when VW are performing they are not doing it under the gaze of 20-30,000 snarling competitors who all think they are cheats 🙂

[Graffito]

1 hour ago, Turkish said:

He’s getting on my tits droning on but can’t disagree with any of this 

What would a public schoolboy know about moral rectitude  

 

 

[trousers]

Says the club under sanctions for financial irregularities....

[tdmickey3]

Just now, trousers said:

Says the club under sanctions for financial irregularities....

Financials do not matter, its not cheating FFS

[saintant]

There's a guy on The Ugly Inside with a vastly different conspiracy theory. Seems he's a bit of a botanist nerd and he claims the photo of Will Salt clearly shows to his right a bind weed bush in full bloom. His claim is that this plant flowers from June to September 🙂

Make of that what you will.

[trousers]

2 minutes ago, saintant said:

There's a guy on The Ugly Inside with a vastly different conspiracy theory. Seems he's a bit of a botanist nerd and he claims the photo of Will Salt clearly shows to his right a bind weed bush in full bloom. His claim is that this plant flowers from June to September 🙂

Make of that what you will.

Is this the guy?

 

[saintant]

Just now, trousers said:

Is this the guy?

 

Funnily enough yes, that's him 🙂 Wonder if he knows much about flowers and fauna.

[saintant]

8 minutes ago, saintant said:

There's a guy on The Ugly Inside with a vastly different conspiracy theory. Seems he's a bit of a botanist nerd and he claims the photo of Will Salt clearly shows to his right a bind weed bush in full bloom. His claim is that this plant flowers from June to September 🙂

Make of that what you will.

Maybe the photo is from him spying when we played Boro on27th September! The plot thickens 🙂

[musesaint]

1 hour ago, trousers said:

We engaged a decent lawyer a week too late....?

Totally agree. Lord Pannick should’ve been on board from the outset. 

Who were our lawyers? Are they sports specialists??

[trousers]

1 minute ago, saintant said:

Maybe the photo is from him spying when we played Boro on27th September! The plot thickens 🙂

Steady... you're in danger of straying back into "unhinged" territory here....

[westmidlandsaint]

So David Winnie the not so independent independent panel member is already writing about it for his company Wilson Gray. 

Almost feels 'not in good faith' he was acting as an independent panel member not representing Wilson Gray.

https://gilsongray.co.uk/blog/southampton-case-commission-issues-strong-warning/?utm_source=linkedin&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=southampton case&utm_content=read more

[Patrick Bateman]

16 minutes ago, saintant said:

There's a guy on The Ugly Inside with a vastly different conspiracy theory. Seems he's a bit of a botanist nerd and he claims the photo of Will Salt clearly shows to his right a bind weed bush in full bloom. His claim is that this plant flowers from June to September 🙂

Make of that what you will.

I read that, except if you watch the live SkySports coverage from this week, the same bush has the same flowers on it. Another dead end for another bonkers conspiracy 😂

[Thripp87]

And still radio silence from Solak.

I am starting to think the next update we will get is the marvellous news that season tickets have been frozen.

Absolutely incredible the PR currently. 

[Patrick Bateman]

4 minutes ago, Thripp87 said:

And still radio silence from Solak.

I am starting to think the next update we will get is the marvellous news that season tickets have been frozen.

Absolutely incredible the PR currently. 

I am fully expecting a "season ticket price adjustment of just £75 for the season" ... or some such crap. 

[saintant]

Next conspiracy theory, delay is due because Dragan has come over all guns blazing and appointed a top sports lawyer to look into the Boro links on the 3 person hearing committee 🙂

[Saint Marky]

What really pisses me off more than anything, is we finally had a squad that had proven we could go toe to toe with the best in the premiership. Whether the spying helped, I suspect minimally at best,a manager finally respected by the players and giving their all for him. A manager that seemed was going to keep us in the prem, had we won the final and one that would have got us up automatically, if we hadn’t employed Will.

What now? Baz back in goal, we wont get Peretz now or Larin even. It’s been stated Jander wants out, who else, Charles, Downs, Aziz,Ramsdale, probably most of them. Who’s in their last year now, or got 2 to go, will they be extending? Aren’t Bree and Ross out of contract, players you’d want to keep for this year’s championship attempt. If wed been fined, points deduction and-we’d lost the final, I suspect most of the squad would have probably stayed to try to get us up next year, and most of us would have probably  eventually accepted keeping him as manager, if we were to continue our prolific form.
 

You’ve got a decent Wolves and probably West Ham next year and at the mo, we’re starting 4 points behind. It’s a tough strong league, even with parachute payments. If we don’t go up, it will be even harder when the payments stop. Add to that with more than likely a new manager and new players, what a bloody mess. Totally unacceptable and unnecessary, the fucking naive, ignorant stupidity and arrogance of all those involved and to still actually send someone to spy on a semi final opponent, when you know that an analyst you sacked, now works for that opponent and thus knows your practice’s, I can only assume Tonda has a great football brain, but a very low IQ.

anyone else  stuck on the ‘still hurting’ phase of grief?

..and to add salt into the wound, Sky Sports have just shown a clip of Middlesbrough (at the airport I think) stating their finally on their way to Wembley, FUCKOFF

Edited 4 hours ago by Saint Marky

[trousers]

31 minutes ago, westmidlandsaint said:

So David Winnie the not so independent independent panel member is already writing about it for his company Wilson Gray. 

Almost feels 'not in good faith' he was acting as an independent panel member not representing Wilson Gray.

https://gilsongray.co.uk/blog/southampton-case-commission-issues-strong-warning/?utm_source=linkedin&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=southampton case&utm_content=read more

 

[John B]

6 hours ago, Osvaldorama said:

But boro were the accuser, the beneficiary and the main instigators. The entire process was of their design 😂

 

Again, it doesn’t excuse us. But if our legal team, club and PR department had anything about them AT ALL they should have been all over this stuff, pushing a narrative of corruption in the media. 
 

Instead they literally bent over and made everything as bad as possible for ourselves 

Perhaps there was no corruption but a lot of cheating by SFC

The panel was swayed by evidence not conspiracy theories

IF you have evidence feel free to reply with it

[James G]

47 minutes ago, musesaint said:

Totally agree. Lord Pannick should’ve been on board from the outset. 

Who were our lawyers? Are they sports specialists??

According to X, it was this guy 

[SaintsfanSwindon]

Nothing from Adam or Alfie for 24 hours now. Why the silence?

[Osvaldorama]

1 hour ago, Maggie May said:

Boro fans are utterly obsessed with us. Hopefully they remember they have a game to play tomorrow. 

 

It’s because deep down they know they lost the game, and the spying had barely impact on that. 

[trousers]