Should Saints sack Tonda?

[hypochondriac]

4 minutes ago, Saint Fan CaM said:

Pre-sanction - agreed. But that’s not where we are right now.

Well we haven't really received any headlines because we are a championship club and it isn't interesting once we've been punished so there aren't any headlines to get ahead of. 

[Saint Fan CaM]

3 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

I agree. The punishment I was referring to is the one that we have already received and the one that people are still arguing is a lesser crime than diving to win a penalty.

Fair enough, however I have to say I have much empathy for that argument. The hard evidence suggests we received no competitive advantage from ‘spying’, while beating Boro over 180+ minutes of football, however diving to win a penalty can inflict immediate and lasting damage to the fortunes of the opposing team, particularly in ‘big’ games such as relegation battles etc etc. or how about deliberately inflicting GBH on Scienza’s legs in rash tackles which could physically and mentally damage him for the rest of his career - is that not a worse ‘crime’?

[trousers]

37 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Boring now. We cheated, it was systemic and we were punished. We can argue as long as we like about how it was unfair, too harsh etc. It doesn't change anything. All we can do is take the punishment and try to mitigate the damage for next year.

Yeah, but what's more boring? Those still talking about it it or those who keep pointing out how boring it is...?

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[saintant]

31 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

No fucking chance 

Pony

[trousers]

42 minutes ago, Saint Fan CaM said:

To be fair you’ve got absolutely no evidence of that whatsoever - only that the club has not made another public announcement. That in all seriousness does not equate to doing nothing - I suspect Dragan and the Board are in ‘swan mode’ right now…act calmly with all the required work going on out of sight. Why give any competitor or the media an advantage? Stay ahead of the headlines…that’s where the smart money is.

At least with actual swans you can still see the calm top half... The Sport Republic swan is currently in a submarine at the bottom of the Atlantic Ocean....

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[trousers]

Just now, saintant said:

Pony

Unhinged!

[Wade Garrett]

47 minutes ago, Saint Fan CaM said:

To be fair you’ve got absolutely no evidence of that whatsoever - only that the club has not made another public announcement. That in all seriousness does not equate to doing nothing - I suspect Dragan and the Board are in ‘swan mode’ right now…act calmly with all the required work going on out of sight. Why give any competitor or the media an advantage? Stay ahead of the headlines…that’s where the smart money is.

SR always act too late, and the evidence is the silence from the club.

[hypochondriac]

23 minutes ago, Saint Fan CaM said:

Fair enough, however I have to say I have much empathy for that argument. The hard evidence suggests we received no competitive advantage from ‘spying’, while beating Boro over 180+ minutes of football, however diving to win a penalty can inflict immediate and lasting damage to the fortunes of the opposing team, particularly in ‘big’ games such as relegation battles etc etc. or how about deliberately inflicting GBH on Scienza’s legs in rash tackles which could physically and mentally damage him for the rest of his career - is that not a worse ‘crime’?

I'm not looking to argue about which crime is worse. My point is that loads of people on here have been droning on for days since the decision with arguments like that seeking to mitigate things. I took about 4 or 5 days off which was a great idea actually and I think some posters on here need a bit of acceptance and a realistic view about the best way forward. 

[Noodles34]

I see the SW fanbase is behind the 'keep him' vote, which is great news. 

[Verbal]

1 minute ago, hypochondriac said:

I took about 4 or 5 days off which was a great idea actually 

Can you give us advance notice when you plan to do this again? 

[Saint Fan CaM]

2 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

I'm not looking to argue about which crime is worse. My point is that loads of people on here have been droning on for days since the decision with arguments like that seeking to mitigate things. I took about 4 or 5 days off which was a great idea actually and I think some posters on here need a bit of acceptance and a realistic view about the best way forward. 

I get it - but this a fans forum so I think we know what to expect?! But, yeah, cyclic arguments and all that…

[Saint Fan CaM]

5 minutes ago, Wade Garrett said:

SR always act too late, and the evidence is the silence from the club.

Under the circumstances I don’t think they can be beaten up for not providing a view on what’s happening. Any output from the club that is wrong or plain stupid…well that’s a different matter entirely! 😉

[egg]

1 hour ago, hypochondriac said:

I think the fact they haven't done it yet is either because they want to sack him off without a payout and so want to wait for the FA to do it (although you'd think he would be on gardening leave prior to that and maybe they'd have enough already to get rid regardless of what the FA do) or there must be at least a possibility that he stays and they are figuring out how they would be able to credibly do that. I think there is an argument that unless there is some sort of further punishment, if the players are behind him then they are just making us worse by sacking him. This could all be moot though if they come out to borrow with a announcement that he's gone and no one would be surprised.

I think it's gone quiet because Tonda is in the middle of an internal disciplinary process, and the club are saying nothing until that plays out. If he had our backing, the club would have said so.

[Wade Garrett]

2 minutes ago, Saint Fan CaM said:

Under the circumstances I don’t think they can be beaten up for not providing a view on what’s happening. Any output from the club that is wrong or plain stupid…well that’s a different matter entirely! 😉

You're probably right.  

They can't procrastinate over the issue though.  Make their decision and plan for next season.  Other clubs already have the jump on us.

[mitch01]

IIt's Tonda In for me, assuming we are confident there's no FA ban incoming and the players are supportive. 

Hopefully the club are working to establish a view on both of those. 

Basis for this: I don't think what's happened in the last two weeks a) takes anything away from our footballing progress since he started or b) implies he is a bad person, just a combination of naive and unlucky.

Let's sell who we need to sell, bring in some more smart signings and continue our momentum.

[hypochondriac]

3 minutes ago, egg said:

I think it's gone quiet because Tonda is in the middle of an internal disciplinary process, and the club are saying nothing until that plays out. If he had our backing, the club would have said so.

That would factor into my first scenario too. The likely FA ban would no doubt make things easier if they were going down the gross Misconduct route. Maybe an argument would be that we were at least partially responsible though if we hired him without doing the full briefing thing.

[trousers]

16 minutes ago, egg said:

I think it's gone quiet because Tonda is in the middle of an internal disciplinary process, and the club are saying nothing until that plays out. If he had our backing, the club would have said so.

Quite possibly, although I guess the opposite could be true... i.e. the club want to avoid the FA potentially (mis)perceiving their backing of Tonda as complacency or indirectly condoning what he did. In other words, they could simply have been advised by their legal bods to go into radio silence mode regardless of their intentions with regards Tonda. Who knows?

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