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Should Saints sack Tonda?

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Should Saints sack Tonda?  

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  1. 1. Should Saints sack Tonda over "Spygate"?


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Dark Munster

Dark Munster

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Title says it all. Seems opinions are split, from he's the devil incarnate, to a manager we don't want to lose committing a minor infraction resulting in a massively disproportionate penalty.

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Sheaf Saint

Sheaf Saint

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If SR care about rebuilding the club's reputation, they simply have to. And soon.

Waiting for the inevitable ban he will get from the FA and saying "we had no choice" won't wash.

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CSA96

CSA96

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Yes and it shouldn't stop with Tonda. The club needs to tidy up its reputation, firstly with its own fans and secondly within football, and that can't happen if there's a culture of just letting all of the amateurish stuff continue on with a shrug

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bangkoksaint

bangkoksaint

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Yes. Not saying he may be a talented manager but there is no way back for him from this. Potentially set the club back years. I appreciate football rewards failure but in what corporate world could you potentially cost your business £200M through total stupidity,  arrogance and amateurism and expect to stay?

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sfc4prem

sfc4prem

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7 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Well, yes of course

he is central to being kicked out of a playoff final. That is unforgivable 

No.

He was central to us getting into a position where automatic promotion was a real possibility.

His misdemeanours are thus rather forgivable.

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AlexLaw76

AlexLaw76

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2 minutes ago, sfc4prem said:

No.

He was central to us getting into a position where automatic promotion was a real possibility.

His misdemeanours are thus rather forgivable.

He was central to being kicked out, that is true. 

They are not misdemeanours, they got us kicked out of a £200m game. People will now lose their jobs over it.

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SNSUN

SNSUN

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7 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Well, yes of course

he is central to being kicked out of a playoff final. That is unforgivable 

It's a no brainer. His reputation has been ruined. Sure he's done well for us, the first manager we've had that gave us some positivity since Ralph (I'm excluding Russ because he's a prick) which is why people might want to keep him, and he seems to wind up opposition fans who think he's an alien but he cost us promotion and for that he must go.

The FA will probably eliminate him anyway. 

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sfc4prem

sfc4prem

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1 minute ago, AlexLaw76 said:

He was central to being kicked out, that is true. 

They are not misdemeanours, they got us kicked out of a £200m game. People will now lose their jobs over it.

The £200m game that his tactics and player management got us into the position of playing.

Golac's Iron Gonads

Golac's Iron Gonads

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Don't care about the club's reputation , don't care about the cheating (players do it all bloody game) do care about getting caught and being so inept at it. The club don't need to regain my trust as they've not had it since sometime in the 90s (around when they bought in 'membership fees' and at one end of season game told us not to run on the pitch as the players would be doing a lap of honour, which of course they didn't they just appeared in the directors box to wave)

What I do care about is my team winning games, playing  football that's enjoyable to watch and having players that I don't actively dislike. I voted for Tonda to stay and he'd have to commit an arrestable offence for me to want him to leave, even then it'd have to be something pretty serious.

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AlexLaw76

AlexLaw76

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Just now, sfc4prem said:

Absolutely. Little bit of rule-breaking never went amiss.

it does, people will lose their jobs.

Each to their own. 

I suspect if he is not sacked very soon, any FA investigation will mean he wont be our manager in the not too distant future, thankfully

sfc4prem

sfc4prem

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Just now, AlexLaw76 said:

it does, people will lose their jobs.

Each to their own. 

I suspect if he is not sacked very soon, any FA investigation will mean he wont be our manager in the not too distant future, thankfully

Fair enough. I'll never agree with you on this. Least we've discussed things amicably, I guess.

AlexLaw76

AlexLaw76

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Just now, sfc4prem said:

Fair enough. I'll never agree with you on this. Least we've discussed things amicably, I guess.

Shut your hole you fucking loon.....

🤐 😉

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SNSUN

SNSUN

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5 minutes ago, sfc4prem said:

The £200m game that his tactics and player management got us into the position of playing.

There are other managers who would do just as good as job. The question is finding them and I don't trust SR to do that. But that doesn't mean Tonda shouldn't go. I feel a bit sorry for him and the higher up powers are equally to blame for this but his position has become untenable. 

We will lose a good manager, yes, and our loss will be someone else's gain, but we have to move forward from this saga. 

If, and it's moot now, the outcome had been a big fine and points deduction, then maybe my choice would have been different, but to be kicked out one of the biggest fixtures in English football and lose our chance of the Prem... that's where it changes. Players will leave because of this and that saddens me just when we were putting a decent team together. 

trousers

trousers

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9 minutes ago, Golac's Iron Gonads said:

Don't care about the club's reputation

The sponsors, who prop up our 'Financial Fair Play' status, probably do...

trousers

trousers

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15 minutes ago, SNSUN said:

It's a no brainer. His reputation has been ruined. Sure he's done well for us, the first manager we've had that gave us some positivity since Ralph (I'm excluding Russ because he's a prick) which is why people might want to keep him, and he seems to wind up opposition fans who think he's an alien but he cost us promotion and for that he must go.

The FA will probably eliminate him anyway. 

That's harsh, but if they can beat the EFL's 'disproportionate' sanction then why not... ;)

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miltonroad

miltonroad

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It’ll be taken out of our hands with the inevitable ban, but voting no purely on the basis the next choice will be a downgrade. Not saying there aren’t better/adequate replacements out there but little faith we’ll find one. Think we’ll be stronger going into next season with him in charge. Damage is done so why self destruct on a point of principle which clearly haven’t mattered up to this point. 

RedArmy

RedArmy

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Reluctantly yes. 

It’s not the crime of the century it’s been made out to be but there’s no coming back from this situation without him gone. 
 

Although if the players backed him and would stay if he stayed then I’d be behind him (I know there’s a 0.01% chance of this being the case) 

Legoman

Legoman

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Yes, despite a promising career ahead of him and results which clearly demonstrates his ability to manage a team at a high level, it’s extremely disappointing to learn of these unnecessary missions to spy that added so little in comparison of what he has to offer. What he has done to this club sadly cannot be forgiven despite what he could be capable of in the future.

SNSUN

SNSUN

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Just now, trousers said:

Is that a Middlesbrough bug on his lapel...? ;)

Not sure but it looks as if he's reaching into his pocket for his phone so he can tell Gibbo some more illicit stuff...

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Osvaldorama

Osvaldorama

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I’ve flipped and flopped on this. 

He has been a revelation for us; and I don’t think that’s because of “cheating”

I also do think his position is untenable now. 

BUT ultimately I think it should come down to what the players think. Do they hate him? Still trust him? 
 

Same as above, I really don’t care about what he did. It was a minor infraction, that should have been handled better by all. I’d go even further - I actually want saints to cheat and push the limits, just not to get caught.
Football is an absolute mess and has been for ages, so I don’t care about the morals of any of this. I just want saints to win. 

I think it will be taken out of our hands though and he’ll be banned. (Although - even that will be ridiculous and OTT based on the Bielsa precendent). 
 

 

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Hawkswood

Hawkswood

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I think hes finished but if the FA didn't ban him and the players would still play for him then Id have him. Reminds me of the film Margin Call. The only thing that matters is the survival of the club and that means results on the pitch and I think we would struggle to get someone as good as him in and with that the threat of relegation  which would bring terrible damage. 

Results on the pitch are all that matters- for the good of the club.

Pretty sure we didn't spy on Arsenal and went toe to toe with the Premier league champions. 

At first I was furious and wanted him gone but Ive changed my mind.

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Wade Garrett

Wade Garrett

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100% yes.  He cheated and cost us a place in the final.

With the squad he had at his disposal, particularly after the additions of Larin and Peretz, we should have been absolutely nailed on for promotion.  My point is that he’s not some genius.  I think there are plenty of competent managers out there that would have at least matched what he did, without the cheating.

Get rid of him.  If Spors was complicit in the spying get rid of him too.  He would probably want to appoint another fucking hipster twat anyway.

 

Willo of Whiteley

Willo of Whiteley

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Yes. 100%, yes.

But if keeping Tonda meant keeping the squad together 🤷🏻‍♂️ what do you do?

If that player/staff meeting happened yesterday, I would love to know the discussions/debates/insults that were thrown across the room. 😂

I don’t like what he and the club has orchestrated but I could maybe look past it depending on the above, the bit I despise is how he’s supposedly treated others, that will never, ever sit right with me, which is why his position is untenable 😂

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Hawkswood

Hawkswood

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7 minutes ago, Willo of Whiteley said:

Yes. 100%, yes.

But if keeping Tonda meant keeping the squad together 🤷🏻‍♂️ what do you do?

If that player/staff meeting happened yesterday, I would love to know the discussions/debates/insults that were thrown across the room. 😂

I don’t like what he and the club has orchestrated but I could maybe look past it depending on the above, the bit I despise is how he’s supposedly treated others, that will never, ever sit right with me, which is why his position is untenable 😂

This is the thing for me. Either way its all moot. FA will do him

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