Four days later - should Saints still sack Tonda?

[trousers]

42 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

They are working out how their first bit of comms can include how good Baz has been since being back in the building.

No wonder they're taking such a f***ing long time in that case...

Edited 12 hours ago by trousers

[SNSUN]

I think the players should all hold a vote to see if they are in favour of keeping him.  Then 4 days later they should have another vote to see if things have changed.

[Farmer Saint]

I was not sure before, no now. As per usual, we have some emotional ninnies on this site, so now they seem to be changing their minds I think it's only the FA that will make us have to push him.

By the way, I have heard the bonuses for promotion next season are absolutely mindbogglingly good, to ensure we keep some of our players who are annoyed about the loss of this years.

Edited 12 hours ago by Farmer Saint

[Barry the Badger]

It's also fair to say that just as people on here have clearly softened on the idea of sacking him as the anger has faded, it's entirely possible that the players are going through the same thing. 

[Mr X]

Tonda should be made to stay and the contract should stipulate it's an ongoing contract where you can't leave until promotion is achieved and each season it's not achieved a 20% wage cut... It's the only way and he owes us! 😜

that said do we want to be stuck with him he's probably useless without the spying 😂

[East Kent Saint]

Sacking him wasn't my reaction, total lack of consistent rules , punishments that pile points deduction on point deduction . Clubs being allowed to sue other clubs just to get £££ , lunatic club owners that won't sell up etc . Football needs proper regulation not the clubs getting together to agree or not agree rules , It's all bad bad overall management , like F1 , boxing , tennis rugby etc etc ...

[Badger]

16 minutes ago, Barry the Badger said:

It's also fair to say that just as people on here have clearly softened on the idea of sacking him as the anger has faded, it's entirely possible that the players are going through the same thing. 

Probably too busy doing what they would normally be doing this time of year - talking to their agents 

[sadoldgit]

3 hours ago, LegalEagle said:

Fucking a sheep is a little different to sending a spotty intern to spy on Middlesbrough FC training for a football match. Spying is far worse. At least according to Steve Gibson.

Not if you fuck said sheep within 72 hours of meeting it. 

[Cuddles]

8 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

Not if you fuck said sheep within 72 hours of meeting it. 

"You can't marry a sheep you've just met"

Kristoff, Frozen (fersiwn cymraeg)

[AlexLaw76]

Throwing in a massive own goal has fucked us. Cheers Tonda.

Someone on here previously said the cupboard was empty next season. 

[Football Special]

3 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Throwing in a massive own goal has fucked us. Cheers Tonda.

Someone on here previously said the cupboard was empty next season. 

The club will be aware of their liabilities and should have a plan based on non-promotion, they will also be due transfer fee payments but it doesn't tell us how much? 

[sadoldgit]

Not being one to miss the opportunity of starting a conspiracy theory, perhaps Dragan spelt out the financial situation to Spors and Eckert and told them it was promotion this season at all costs?

🤔

[Eire Saint]

Is there any gauge on what a possible FA sanction could be? Is there precedent? 

He broke EFL rules and there were EFL sanctions. What's the FA's role here? To enforce EFL rules? If he did this in the Prem there would be no repercussions as there are no regulations against it. So does the FA's opinion change depending on what league the manager is in? Makes no sense. 

[Cuddles]

1 minute ago, Eire Saint said:

Is there any gauge on what a possible FA sanction could be? Is there precedent? 

He broke EFL rules and there were EFL sanctions. What's the FA's role here? To enforce EFL rules? If he did this in the Prem there would be no repercussions as there are no regulations against it. So does the FA's opinion change depending on what league the manager is in? Makes no sense. 

Maybe they are looking at the alleged bullying? It's a bit odd.

[skintsaint]

3 hours ago, sadoldgit said:

Not being one to miss the opportunity of starting a conspiracy theory, perhaps Dragan spelt out the financial situation to Spors and Eckert and told them it was promotion this season at all costs?

🤔

[Lord Duckhunter]

6 hours ago, Eire Saint said:

If he did this in the Prem there would be no repercussions as there are no regulations against it.

I keep reading this pony. Do people really believe sides can go round secretly watching other sides shape, formations, set piece routines etc a day or two before they play them? You’d be done exactly the same way as Leeds were, under the “good faith” rules. 

[James]

26 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

I keep reading this pony. Do people really believe sides can go round secretly watching other sides shape, formations, set piece routines etc a day or two before they play them? You’d be done exactly the same way as Leeds were, under the “good faith” rules. 

Yes, and based on that precedent presumably would be fined £200k which is irrelevant.
 

It’s a moot point though as I doubt many Premier League clubs have training grounds that can be “observed” in the same way so there’s probably no way to even get an analyst in there! 

[badgerx16]

11 hours ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Throwing in a massive own goal has fucked us. Cheers Tonda.

Someone on here previously said the cupboard was empty next season. 

Well, if promotion was such a "must" the Board are more culpable for not going up, having appointed Still. When Tonda took the full time job even the playoffs were not much more than a pipe dream and a relegation scrap was a distinct possibility.

Edited 32 minutes ago by badgerx16

[adrian lord]

Why sack our best manager since at least Koeman? Self-harm is not  a recommended strategy. 

[trousers]

8 hours ago, Eire Saint said:

Is there any gauge on what a possible FA sanction could be? Is there precedent? 

He broke EFL rules and there were EFL sanctions. What's the FA's role here? To enforce EFL rules? If he did this in the Prem there would be no repercussions as there are no regulations against it. So does the FA's opinion change depending on what league the manager is in? Makes no sense. 

I keep pondering on this myself and my conclusion always is: they'll surely have to be consistent and treat him the same as Bielsa, where their actions are/were the same.... BUT....  if Eckert did more 'bad stuff' than Bielsa did (e.g. bullying) then that could/should give the FA reason to treat him differently to Bielsa (assuming Bielsa was never accused of bullying?). The EFL rules are there to sanction clubs, not individuals, ergo the FA shouldn't be taking into account what club rules were broken when dealing with an individual. They should just be concentrating on the severity of the acts carried out, and judge that against their own 'code of conduct' rulebook.

Anyway, I'm probably sounding like a scratched record on this now so will quit going on about it!

Edited 26 minutes ago by trousers

[Saint_lambden]

The whole in/out discussion is a mute point - he'll be banned for at least a year by the FA. Having said that, it completely baffles me that people think, regardless of some miracle that he avoids a ban, he should stay on as manager. It's as if Boro losing the final flicked a switch in some people and they completely forgot and forgave everything. The man who instigated a campaign of systemic rule breaking, brought the club in to national/international shame and who intimidated young interns in to cheating, then having the audacity to complain to them about the output they were providing. I don't want that representing this football club, and neither should any self-respecting fan. 

The club are just waiting for the internal review (being done by an external party) to be complete and then they will take action in terms of suspensions/sackings, which cannot come soon enough so we can at least try to move on from this whole sorry saga. 

 

[Whitey Grandad]

8 minutes ago, trousers said:

I keep pondering on this myself and my conclusion always is: they'll surely have to be consistent and treat him the same as Bielsa, where their actions are/were the same.... BUT....  if Eckert did more 'bad stuff' than Bielsa did (e.g. bullying) then that could/should give the FA reason to treat him differently to Bielsa (assuming Bielsa was never accused of bullying?). The EFL rules are there to sanction clubs, not individuals, ergo the FA shouldn't be taking into account what club rules were broken when dealing with an individual. They should just be concentrating on the severity of the acts carried out, and judge that against their own 'code of conduct' rulebook.

Anyway, I'm probably sounding like a scratched record on this now so will quit going on about it!

Aren't the allegations of bullying verbally only? It's an easy accusation to make by somebody who's been caught doing wrong. 

"Boo hoo. They made me do it. I didn't want to. Boo hoo"

[trousers]

5 minutes ago, Whitey Grandad said:

Aren't the allegations of bullying verbally only? It's an easy accusation to make by somebody who's been caught doing wrong. 

Who knows? Maybe there's a trail of WhatsApp messages (or such like) which provide evidence...?