if portsmuff can do it why cant we?

[lordswoodsaints]

they are reportedly in anywhere between £60mil - £80mil they are in serious danger of being relegated ,but they have realised the severity of their situation,even though they have spiralling debts and out of control player wages for a club their size (sol campbell 100k+) and they have acted by sacking a crap manager.................so why cant we do the same.

 

we are in a worse predicament than them,our debts are about half theirs,although relative to our league our players wages are just a fraction of theirs but we do have something they dont have any longer.............a crap manager who is likely to take us down to L1.

 

wake up SFC its time to act,if the skates can do it so can we,we are on a heading which will just end in tears,give us something which will give the fans hope.my best mate is a skate and he is over the moon,he is now confident that they will survive and that is before they have even announced their new manager......this is what i want to feel like.

 

perhaps the fear of losing a premiership status is greater than the fear of losing a championship status Mr Lowe?

[Faz]

they are reportedly in anywhere between £60mil - £80mil they are in serious danger of being relegated ,but they have realised the severity of their situation,even though they have spiralling debts and out of control player wages for a club their size (sol campbell 100k+) and they have acted by sacking a crap manager.................so why cant we do the same.

 

we are in a worse predicament than them,our debts are about half theirs,although relative to our league our players wages are just a fraction of theirs but we do have something they dont have any longer.............a crap manager who is likely to take us down to L1.

 

wake up SFC its time to act,if the skates can do it so can we,we are on a heading which will just end in tears,give us something which will give the fans hope.my best mate is a skate and he is over the moon,he is now confident that they will survive and that is before they have even announced their new manager......this is what i want to feel like.

 

perhaps the fear of losing a premiership status is greater than the fear of losing a championship status Mr Lowe?

 

 

I thought we had?

[Saint in Paradise]

I assume he means that Portsmouths fear of losing Prem status is greater than Mr Lowes fear

of losing CCC status.

[bungle]

So many clubs have done so well when having 3 managers in a season. No, really.

[SaintBobby]

they are reportedly in anywhere between £60mil - £80mil they are in serious danger of being relegated ,but they have realised the severity of their situation,even though they have spiralling debts and out of control player wages for a club their size (sol campbell 100k+) and they have acted by sacking a crap manager.................so why cant we do the same.

 

we are in a worse predicament than them,our debts are about half theirs,although relative to our league our players wages are just a fraction of theirs but we do have something they dont have any longer.............a crap manager who is likely to take us down to L1.

 

wake up SFC its time to act,if the skates can do it so can we,we are on a heading which will just end in tears,give us something which will give the fans hope.my best mate is a skate and he is over the moon,he is now confident that they will survive and that is before they have even announced their new manager......this is what i want to feel like.

 

perhaps the fear of losing a premiership status is greater than the fear of losing a championship status Mr Lowe?

 

What a load of tosh.

 

1. Portsm@uth's predicament is far worse in financial terms because the losses associated with relegation from the Premier League are so much larger than the losses associated with relegation from the Championship.

 

2. If I'm right, P*rstm@uth's debt is "worse" than ours, in that it's not just larger, but is also a cash debt. Our debt is primarily tied to the mortgage on St. Mary's, which is an asset (albeit of questionable value if we can't even half fill it).

 

3. Your skate mate's feeling don't strike me as very rational. Clubs certainly shouldn't change managers in order to try and make fans feel "over the moon".

 

4. We should be "less worried" about relegation to League One than the skates should be about relegation from the top flight. That doesn't mean we should resign ourselves to it, but it does mean we shouldn't gamble too heavily or take a "do or die" approach.

 

5. As others have pointed out, chopping and changing managers is rarely a recipe for sucess. Firing a manager after just three games in charge would be insanely rash even by football standards. Adams is the equivalent of Poortvliet - 20+ games in charge and couldn't cut it.

[miserableoldgit]

Lowe has been true to form by having 3 managers already since he has been back. HE got rid of Pearson (O.K. the team didn`t play under him this season, but he was our manager when Spongebob and Patrick came back), and of course JP and now Wotte. I am not sure that having his FOURTH manager in less than a year would help us now. Sadly I think that we are stuck with what we have got, come hell or high water now.

[lordswoodsaints]

So many clubs have done so well when having 3 managers in a season. No, really.

 

you are right,it is not good to have had 3 managers in a season but imo wotte is just an extension of what we already had,he is no better than JP and as they came as a package they should have gone as a package.we need the hope and belief that a new decent manager can bring,the players are just going through the motions with wotte as they dont have the fear that a different man brings,they are not playing for their places as most of them know that they are in no danger of losng their place however they perform.they are too familiar with wotte and they have no respect for him,he has been a long standing joke between the players.

if a new man can come in and shake them up,force them to play for their places then we could get enough points to survive,as it stands we are on the road to relegation.

 

it is worth the gamble,the last throw of the dice if you like.........it has seemed to work at forest. what have we got to lose?

[alpine_saint]

Pompey have a management board that want to retain their footballing status.

 

We have a management board who care only about the bottom line.

 

That's the difference.

 

Is this still in doubt in anyones mind, FFS ???

[Greenridge]

So many clubs have done so well when having 3 managers in a season. No, really.

 

I doubt many other clubs have had such an incompetent board to try this strategy

[lordswoodsaints]

it is no secret that the russian crook guydamak is looking to bail out and try to sell to recoup his losses, he went for the cheap option when arry left and appointed adams in the hope that some sucker would buy them out and adams could try and keep them in the prem on a budget.

it is obvious to everybody that if they lose their prem status then the price drops and they become less attractive so he had to bite the bullet and get rid of adams,he will now have to pay good money for a decent manager to keep them up (likely to be avram grant) but he has now lost 3 months by experimenting with adams and it doesnt look good for them......but unlike lowe guydamak has seen sense and acted to give them a chance, it might not be the right option and it is taking a gamble but it is better than sitting back and keeping your fingers crossed hoping that everything will be ok.

 

i dont see how replacing JP with wotte has been seen by some as taking action to save the club?....nothing has changed,lowe has just taken his hand out of one cheap puppets arse and stuck it up another.

we need a manager with a tight arse that lowe cant get his hand up:-)

[rooney]

The difference in the Skates debt to SFC, is that it is likely a shareholders loan, injected indirectly by Gaydamak. The club is owned by Milan Developments Ltd who in turn is owned by a Offshore Company, presumably Gaydamaks.It is unlikely that he would pull the plug on "himself" .No doubt the large sums received from Defoe and Diarra have been injected into the Club to reduce Gaydamak's exposure. However, unless he can sell it soon, the cash deficits will continue with or without his support and thus, bearing in mind the credit crunch, cannot be sustainable in the medium to long term.

[Channon's Sideburns]

This decision sends the following message to all...

 

CONCLUSIVE PROOF THAT 'APPOINTING FROM WITHIN' NEVER FVCKING WORKS...

 

You listening Rupey Baby and Mikey Billy Ray Cyrus?????

 

Thought not.

[Charlie Wayman]

The sacking of Tony Adams is a tragedy for Portsmouth Football Club and the end of premiership soccer on the South Coast. They are now certainties for the drop. The effect on player morale of two managerial changes in one season will be devastating. It is extremely unlikely they can recover in time to avoid the drop and with their huge debts they will have to offload like hell to balance the books - in fact, another Saints story BUT without the debt of a new stadium financed by credit.

 

All of you must have wondered why a City the size of Bristol (750,000) cannot support a Premiership team and the answer is of course that their is no deep lying tradition for soccer in that City and so not enough support and committment to drive a team into the Premiership. If you don't agree, conside Hull City, a tiny connurbation by comparison with Bristol but a huge committment from the community and their local authority.

 

The Solent area is too prosperous and middle class to really support soccer in the grass roots fashion of 'working class' North Western clubs.

 

With the demise of Pompey our last chance of hanging on in there has gone and it won't come back because nobody in the end except the core fanataics like us - all 13000 of us - gives a damn!

[Leslie Charteris]

T

The Solent area is too prosperous and middle class to really support soccer in the grass roots fashion of 'working class' North Western clubs.

 

With the demise of Pompey our last chance of hanging on in there has gone and it won't come back because nobody in the end except the core fanataics like us - all 13000 of us - gives a damn!

 

Sad, but all too true... and we have a board that considers extracting value for the shareholders more important than anything else.

Pity us poor "customers".

[miserableoldgit]

The sacking of Tony Adams is a tragedy for Portsmouth Football Club and the end of premiership soccer on the South Coast. They are now certainties for the drop. The effect on player morale of two managerial changes in one season will be devastating. It is extremely unlikely they can recover in time to avoid the drop and with their huge debts they will have to offload like hell to balance the books - in fact, another Saints story BUT without the debt of a new stadium financed by credit.

 

All of you must have wondered why a City the size of Bristol (750,000) cannot support a Premiership team and the answer is of course that their is no deep lying tradition for soccer in that City and so not enough support and committment to drive a team into the Premiership. If you don't agree, conside Hull City, a tiny connurbation by comparison with Bristol but a huge committment from the community and their local authority.

 

The Solent area is too prosperous and middle class to really support soccer in the grass roots fashion of 'working class' North Western clubs.

 

With the demise of Pompey our last chance of hanging on in there has gone and it won't come back because nobody in the end except the core fanataics like us - all 13000 of us - gives a damn!

Plus the fact that they do have 2 teams so what support there is, is split.

[david in sweden]

So many clubs have done so well when having 3 managers in a season. No, really.

 

 

......and the most interesting thing is that here is a former England captain

"failing" in his first management career. The list is long........from Billy Wright upto Bryan Robson, trod the ground before him and flopped and regardless of their exceptional careers.....it doesn't carry over to the MANAGERS OFFICE.

 

To say I had " respect " for Tony Adams might be a bit strong..... but as England CH (and one-time captain) many's the time he was stomped on and bled for the cause and (like John Terry).....though he wasn't pretty to watch, but he did the job with courage and guts!

 

I do feel sorry for him, but I think he was a hiding to nothing after .. 'arry's " tearful departure" .

I really don't know what it is about HR. He always stays one step ahead of the pack, and players " seem to respect him "

in some ways, but I think I see through him like a pane of glass.

 

For me, I wouldn't buy a pound of apples offa' 'is barra' !

[miserableoldgit]

......and the most interesting thing is that here is a former England captain

"failing" in his first management career. The list is long........from Billy Wright upto Bryan Robson, trod the ground before him and flopped and regardless of their exceptional careers.....it doesn't carry over to the MANAGERS OFFICE.

 

To say I had " respect " for Tony Adams might be a bit strong..... but as England CH (and one-time captain) many's the time he was stomped on and bled for the cause and (like John Terry).....though he wasn't pretty to watch, but he did the job with courage and guts!

 

I do feel sorry for him, but I think he was a hiding to nothing after .. 'arry's " tearful departure" .

I really don't know what it is about HR. He always stays one step ahead of the pack, and players " seem to respect him "

in some ways, but I think I see through him like a pane of glass.

 

For me, I wouldn't buy a pound of apples offa' 'is barra' !

 

His first managerial job was actually at Wycombe Wanderers, but I take your point.

[SW11_Saint]

Because they realise that decisive action is needed (not just another shuffling of the deckchairs) to turn what's left of the season around.

[lordswoodsaints]

The sacking of Tony Adams is a tragedy for Portsmouth Football Club and the end of premiership soccer on the South Coast. They are now certainties for the drop. The effect on player morale of two managerial changes in one season will be devastating. It is extremely unlikely they can recover in time to avoid the drop and with their huge debts they will have to offload like hell to balance the books - in fact, another Saints story BUT without the debt of a new stadium financed by credit.

 

All of you must have wondered why a City the size of Bristol (750,000) cannot support a Premiership team and the answer is of course that their is no deep lying tradition for soccer in that City and so not enough support and committment to drive a team into the Premiership. If you don't agree, conside Hull City, a tiny connurbation by comparison with Bristol but a huge committment from the community and their local authority.

 

The Solent area is too prosperous and middle class to really support soccer in the grass roots fashion of 'working class' North Western clubs.

 

With the demise of Pompey our last chance of hanging on in there has gone and it won't come back because nobody in the end except the core fanataics like us - all 13000 of us - gives a damn!

 

crap,what about chelsea? one of the most prosperous parts of the country and they have to compete with how many london clubs??

 

im sorry i dont buy into this working class crap,if a team is doing well they will attract fans that is why clubs spend so much money and time promoting their corporate days out.the working class supporter is the clubs bread and butter but the real money is in sponsorship and corporate hospitality.we sustained 27 years in the top flight on low crowds,15k for a lot of it.............the bottom line is when we were doing well in the prem we were packing in 30k+ now we are sh1t it has dropped to about half,we have a larger fanbase than pompey and if we were to regain our premiership status we would once again have crowds of 30k unlike pompey who sometimes struggle to fill their 20k allocation and they have just won the fa cup.

you are right,this area is not a traditional working class stronghold like maybe newcastle or hull but you could argue that blackburn,one of the most deprived working class areas in the uk should be filling their stadium every week to the rafters but they struggle,and for a long while we were averaging higher crowds than them and we were a championship team.

 

if we are successful we will fill st marys,if we are not then we wont.........it is a hard fact to swallow but most people do not want to watch championship (or lower) football,they have been brainwashed by sky/the media to accept that the premiership is the be all and end all of football in this country.it has nothing to do with class,that disappeared years ago when the FA took sky's silver shilling and i didnt see anybody play the class card when we were in the prem.

 

contrary to popular belief we do have a deep lying tradition towards football in the part of the country 124 years +,longer than a lot of the northern working class clubs you talk about.the underlying problem with football is that unless you are a prem club then you are going to struggle financially and this is all down to sky.even the prem clubs are struggling and they are the ones who are getting all the money........just last week sky announced that they had managed to hold onto the licences to show prem football and who were the first 3 people coming out in public and praising bskyb and saying what a great thing it was for football in this country??................rio ferdinand (120k per week),john terry (120kpw) and our old friend arry redknapp(one of the highest paid managers in the league) surprise,sur - fvcking - prise.......of course they are going to say its good for the game,they are getting most of the money between them.

 

prem club = big crowds,more money,better players,better managers,more media coverage.

 

anything else = fvck all and financial ruin.

 

the reasons we are not pushing to regain our premiership status is that we have been managed badly on and off the pitch since strachan walked out of st marys for the last time.we have had one clueless manager after another handcuffed by financial restraints imposed by the board coupled with experiment after experiment designed to save money but in the long run costing us more than just financial loss.we,the fans have been so battered by knock back after knock back that most have decided to give up and not bother anymore,the ones that decided to stay are so numb that they have given up as well but probably,like myself cannot let go of the hope that things will get better.

 

there are people at this club that overnight are trying to change how proven methods for success in football,methods that have been used for decades are done and it just wont work.......lets say that there is a plumber who has been plying his trade for 30 years in traditional plumbing methods passed down to him by the person who taught him,he takes on an apprentice,the apprentice has only been doing the job for a couple of weeks and he thinks he knows a shortcut so that he doesnt have to do his full apprenticship and will try and change the industryto his way of thinking........it aint going to work,the apprentice will come unstuck and he will end up on his arse.

 

this has been happening at our club for years.....and now it is time to reap the benefits of this shortcutting on the cheap route to success.

[NickG]

....

[krissyboy31]

Chelsea have done it too according to SSN. Sacking Scolari!!

[FMPR]

Pompey arent that much in debt anymore. Storrie says were in the blalck now

[miserableoldgit]

Pompey arent that much in debt anymore. Storrie says were in the blalck now

Much be true then!

[.comsaint]

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11095_4908061,00.html

 

HCDAJF Pooey!

[SFC Forever]

Yes right!!!

[mack rill]

Pompey arent that much in debt anymore. Storrie says were in the blalck now

 

Thats exactly what P Storrie said on the Que the other day. His words(Sacha had been hit hard by the credit crunch and would no longer fund the club, The resent sale of players Has just about manèged to pay off all the dept. And by the summer we should be running in the black, Sadly until another sugar Daddy is found the club has to live on what moneys it generates.

 

You fiddlers couldn't point out a new sugar daddy for us by any chance:-k

[Give it to Ron]

Thats exactly what P Storrie said on the Que the other day. His words(Sacha had been hit hard by the credit crunch and would no longer fund the club, The resent sale of players Has just about manèged to pay off all the dept. And by the summer we should be running in the black, Sadly until another sugar Daddy is found the club has to live on what moneys it generates.

 

You fiddlers couldn't point out a new sugar daddy for us by any chance:-k

 

We know someone called Barry that would suit your club superbly!

[Gingeletiss]

Can we have him.............Scolari I mean.

 

Cripes, they dump their manager for a run of poor results.......what do we need to do???

[saint1977]

Thats exactly what P Storrie said on the Que the other day. His words(Sacha had been hit hard by the credit crunch and would no longer fund the club, The resent sale of players Has just about manèged to pay off all the dept. And by the summer we should be running in the black, Sadly until another sugar Daddy is found the club has to live on what moneys it generates.

 

You fiddlers couldn't point out a new sugar daddy for us by any chance:-k

 

With a stadium similar to the Dell that won't be much income - not having a pop but pointing out facts. We certainly couldn't have signed Sol Campbell on huge wages let alone some of the other players in your squad. I think even if you survive this year you are in a huge drop battle next year from minute one and when we were at the Dell on a 15k limited capacity 1994-2001, we didn't have 15 odd clubs with billionaires to compete with. Prepare for some really tough times ahead - we are a lesson in what can happen if you drop out of the PL bubble.

 

The only way you can stay in the current PL at Fratton is by going back into huge debt to pay even moderate wages. I'm not convinced that selling Diarra and Defoe has cleared the debt either - you've still signed players.

[ALWAYS_SFC]

Pompey see there only chance to stay up is to start again with new

coaching style/managerial personnel after the promoting from within did not work..

 

Promoting from within does not work...FACT

 

We should know we are experts at using that failed method...

 

Why can that idiot and his football board of yes men not realise this...

 

Change it now you clowns...:mad:

 

Give us a chance to stay up..

[CHAPEL END CHARLIE]

The fundamental reason we haven't appointed the 'right' manager is because we're labouring under the 'wrong' Chairman and nothing will ever go right at this club until we're rid of him .

 

"A good tree cannot bear worthless fruit, neither can a rotten tree produce fine fruit.... Really then by their fruits you will recognize those men."

(Matthew 7:18.

 

If/when we get good competent people in the Boardroom then we might end up with a good manager , until that day the 'Rotten Tree' is just going to produce more 'Rotten Fruit' I'm afraid .

[mack rill]

With a stadium similar to the Dell that won't be much income - not having a pop but pointing out facts. We certainly couldn't have signed Sol Campbell on huge wages let alone some of the other players in your squad. I think even if you survive this year you are in a huge drop battle next year from minute one and when we were at the Dell on a 15k limited capacity 1994-2001, we didn't have 15 odd clubs with billionaires to compete with. Prepare for some really tough times ahead - we are a lesson in what can happen if you drop out of the PL bubble.

 

The only way you can stay in the current PL at Fratton is by going back into huge debt to pay even moderate wages. I'm not convinced that selling Diarra and Defoe has cleared the debt either - you've still signed players.

 

Unfortunately for us Evan if we stay up you are right and we are the next Dead Man Walking. unless you know of a sugar Daddy we could have

[lordswoodsaints]

With a stadium similar to the Dell that won't be much income - not having a pop but pointing out facts. We certainly couldn't have signed Sol Campbell on huge wages let alone some of the other players in your squad. I think even if you survive this year you are in a huge drop battle next year from minute one and when we were at the Dell on a 15k limited capacity 1994-2001, we didn't have 15 odd clubs with billionaires to compete with. Prepare for some really tough times ahead - we are a lesson in what can happen if you drop out of the PL bubble.

 

The only way you can stay in the current PL at Fratton is by going back into huge debt to pay even moderate wages. I'm not convinced that selling Diarra and Defoe has cleared the debt either - you've still signed players.

 

im obviously not a pompey fan,but if they dont learn from our mistakes then they deserve to go down and i dont wish that misery and the sh1t that follows on anybody....not even the skates.

[Fan The Flames]

The sacking of Tony Adams is a tragedy for Portsmouth Football Club and the end of premiership soccer on the South Coast. They are now certainties for the drop. The effect on player morale of two managerial changes in one season will be devastating. It is extremely unlikely they can recover in time to avoid the drop and with their huge debts they will have to offload like hell to balance the books - in fact, another Saints story BUT without the debt of a new stadium financed by credit.

 

All of you must have wondered why a City the size of Bristol (750,000) cannot support a Premiership team and the answer is of course that their is no deep lying tradition for soccer in that City and so not enough support and committment to drive a team into the Premiership. If you don't agree, conside Hull City, a tiny connurbation by comparison with Bristol but a huge committment from the community and their local authority.

 

The Solent area is too prosperous and middle class to really support soccer in the grass roots fashion of 'working class' North Western clubs.

 

With the demise of Pompey our last chance of hanging on in there has gone and it won't come back because nobody in the end except the core fanataics like us - all 13000 of us - gives a damn!

 

I'm sorry I can’t stand this working class northerner/rich southerner myth, this north football good/south football bad nonsense.

 

The football league power base was always in the north west and the set up (one up one down, two up two down, refusing to recognise the strength of the teams in the Southern League) maintained the NW teams success which kept the crowds up. First the provincial NW clubs then the city NW clubs.

 

The other clubs have had to fight their way to the top and it took a club with our early promise too long to get there, due to the restrictive promotions, but Southampton and Portsmouth has supported top flight football for a long enough.

 

The size of a club is less to do with having a large pool of working class customers and more to do with success. Compare Arsenal and QPR, same distance from central London, similar demographics, different levels of success and different size's now.

 

To debate your points, Bristol Rovers were formed around the same time as us and City a bit later, they were the first southern non-London team in the football league. So there is plenty of history there, not top flight history but that’s not the fault of the fans. Of course the city fans would love to push the club to the top flight (again) but there is only so much they can do.

 

Hull was, I believe I read somewhere, the biggest urban area in Europe not to ever have a top flight team. The potential was there for years, although it had to fight for attention with two RL teams. So the working classes of Hull (which is probably as working class as Bristol) didn’t help as you suggested. Hull’s rise is due to the Kingston Telecom legacy and the will of the new board, this could have happened in any town, North or South.

 

Oh and finally its not a certainty that Pompey will go down, the effect on player morale may be good if they thought Adams was a *****. They are still above the relegation zone so have time to recover from their free fall.

[SaintRobbie]

Gutted... Adams was about to become a hero.

[david in sweden]

they are reportedly in anywhere between £60mil - £80mil they are in serious danger of being relegated ,but they have realised the severity of their situation,even though they have spiralling debts and out of control player wages for a club their size (sol campbell 100k+) and they have acted by sacking a crap manager.................so why cant we do the same.

QUOTE]

 

 

Well ...if you're referring to Mark Wotte, he hasn't had his 16 game trial yet - so you can't sack him YET.

However, both Tony Adams and it appears Scholari have had their " lot".

 

BUT you started your item by saying...that Pomp*y had huge debts and were in " SERIOUS DANGER of relegation " !.

For me that's not SERIOUS enough.

 

Please come back with better news when their situation has sufficiently worsened..and it's a certainty! .

I've been very disappointed by a lot of gossip that hasn't come to pass so far this season !

 

Give us GOOD NEWS for a change.

[ozzmeister]

Now this will be way out there, and indeed could warrent a thread of its own. If we did go down who would appose Adams as our manager? I assume he lives in the area (to some degree) and the fact is that we would be at the sort of level and the sort of club (history/potential/facilities) which may encourage a young up and coming to have ago and learn the ropes?

 

Yes he was a skate, and yes his record isnt greak. However he's hungry to succees, he has had a bash and taken some knocks, he has worked under coaches in Holland and England, knows the lower divisions and has some new thinking sports psycology behind him.

 

Could do alot worst in my opinion!!

[sperm_john]

pompey are going down, atleast i hope, dont be friends with skates, let alone best friends, and dont compare apples with oranges, and finally, give wotte a few more games, i know hes not ideal, but ...i have a sneaky feeling we will survive this year by the skin of our teeth again......all of this is IMO of course