St Landrew Posted 15 February, 2009 Share Posted 15 February, 2009 (edited) What do you think..? A-Team Manager: Lawrie McMenemy GK: Peter Shilton RB: Ivan Golac CB: Mark Wright CB: Michael Svensson LB: Wayne Bridge RM: Terry Paine CM: Alan Ball © CM: Matthew Le Tissier LM: David Armstrong RS: Mick Channon LS: Ron Davies Subs GK: Tim Flowers DF: Ken Monkou MF: Rod Wallace ST: Steve Moran UP: Nick Holmes B-Team Manager: Ted Bates GK: Antti Niemi RB: Jason Dodd CB: Claus Lundekvam CB: Dave Watson LB: Mark Dennis RM: Danny Wallace CM: Steve Williams CM: Jimmy Case © LM: Chris Marsden RS: Kevin Keegan LS: Marian Pahars Subs GK: Kelvin Davis DF: Mick Mills MF: Ronnie Ekelund ST: Alan Shearer UP: Peter Osgood You can find the previous thread and all Saints Greatest XI threads here: http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=9682 P.S. Note Best SFC Captain thread started by Ladysaint. That thread is now closed. Thanks go to Ladysaint for remembering that Captains are required in football teams. Edited 21 February, 2009 by St Landrew Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ponty Posted 15 February, 2009 Share Posted 15 February, 2009 I reckon the B team will do the A team for pace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
offix Posted 15 February, 2009 Share Posted 15 February, 2009 Overall it looks about right to me, but I would not have Pahars in either team, or maybe as a sub in the b team. Good work though doing this! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Landrew Posted 15 February, 2009 Author Share Posted 15 February, 2009 Overall it looks about right to me, but I would not have Pahars in either team, or maybe as a sub in the b team. Good work though doing this! I agree. I'd also replace Chris Marsden with a sub, but what do I know..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted 16 February, 2009 Share Posted 16 February, 2009 I reckon the B team will do the A team for pace. But will be absolutely a*se raped when when they have to defend a set piece. My first choice FWIW would be: Niemi Golac - Killer - Richards - Bridge Paine - MLT - Oakley - CMFG Channon - Moran Subs: Shilton, Claus, Ball, Tessem, Pahars Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Landrew Posted 16 February, 2009 Author Share Posted 16 February, 2009 But will be absolutely a*se raped when when they have to defend a set piece. My first choice FWIW would be: Niemi Golac - Killer - Richards - Bridge Paine - MLT - Oakley - CMFG Channon - Moran Subs: Shilton, Claus, Ball, Oakley, Pahars Oh boy, that shows your youth. No Nick Holmes anywhere in the line up..? Perhaps you needed him to replace either one of your Oakleys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rpb Posted 16 February, 2009 Share Posted 16 February, 2009 Thanks for organising this StL - it's been much needed fun! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Landrew Posted 16 February, 2009 Author Share Posted 16 February, 2009 Thanks for organising this StL - it's been much needed fun! Oh how I wish it had been utterly crap, and that the season so far, had been utterly brilliant instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted 16 February, 2009 Share Posted 16 February, 2009 Oh boy, that shows your youth. No Nick Holmes anywhere in the line up..? Perhaps you needed him to replace either one of your Oakleys. Aagh, thought I'd taken Oakley out and put Ball in. Sh*t now I need someone else on the bench. F**k it, it's late, Tessem (I know there were thousands of better players running around in Saints shirts before I was born). And yes, youth indeed. I never saw Channon, Golac or Moran play live either. I'm just going by the stories on here and er... youtube, you can't really leave them out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyNorthernSaints Posted 16 February, 2009 Share Posted 16 February, 2009 But will be absolutely a*se raped when when they have to defend a set piece. My first choice FWIW would be: Niemi Golac - Killer - Richards - Bridge Paine - MLT - Oakley - CMFG Channon - Moran Subs: Shilton, Claus, Ball, Oakley, Pahars How old are you? i only ask as you rate Oakley higher than Ball, Case and Williams and prefer Marsden(decent player btw) to Dave Armstrong? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toomer Posted 16 February, 2009 Share Posted 16 February, 2009 What I would give to have three or four players from either team in the side now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victor Posted 16 February, 2009 Share Posted 16 February, 2009 I reckon the B team will do the A team for pace. You ARE joking, surely? Golac, Bridge, Paine, Channon and Moran could all beat any in the B team - and Armstrong was a lot quicker than he looked (his intelligent reading of the game meant he didn't normally have to rush, but he could get from getting a shot in, to clearing a ball off the line before you'd even notice he'd moved). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minsk Posted 16 February, 2009 Share Posted 16 February, 2009 Well done St L for running this, and for putting up with those who couldn't understand the rules/were purposefully being awkward. Given the age range of the users of this forum I am pleased that so many players from the 70s/80s are included. Mind you, I am totally surprised that CMFG, Jason Dodd and Marians were selected in starting 11s. FWIW my A and B Teams, using these players, would read: A-Team Manager: Ted Bates GK: Tim Flowers RB: Ivan Golac CB: Mark Wright CB: Michael Svensson LB: Wayne Bridge RM: Terry Paine CM: Alan Ball (Capt) CM: Matthew Le Tissier LM: David Armstrong RS: Mick Channon LS: Ron Davies Subs GK: Antti Niemi DF: Ken Monkou MF: Chris Marsden ST: Alan Shearer UP: Nick Holmes B-Team Manager: Lawrie Mac GK: Peter Shilton RB: Mick Mills CB: Claus Lundekvam CB: Dave Watson LB: Mark Dennis RM: Danny Wallace CM: Steve Williams CM: Jimmy Case (Capt) LM: Rod Wallace RS: Kevin Keegan LS: Steve Moran Subs GK: Kelvin Davis DF: Jason Dodd MF: Ronnie Ekelund ST: Marians Pahars UP: Peter Osgood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Landrew Posted 16 February, 2009 Author Share Posted 16 February, 2009 Armstrong was a lot quicker than he looked (his intelligent reading of the game meant he didn't normally have to rush, but he could get from getting a shot in, to clearing a ball off the line before you'd even notice he'd moved). Agreed. I always thought David Armstrong was hugely underrated. We all know that he was considered the second best midfielder in England after Bryan Robson, and so never had an extended England career. For my money though he was more of an all round player than Robson, and easily England material [3 caps only]. He was an old fashioned schemer; a great maker of goals. He was brilliant at being in the right place at the right time. He perfected the arriving late into the box run. His passing was practically Le Tissier accurate, and he always supported the attack by putting in his own share of goals from midfield. Although he was left-sided, he practised hard so his right peg didn't just stop him from falling over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatch Posted 16 February, 2009 Share Posted 16 February, 2009 No room for Pele, Best, Charlton or Moore. Bloody hell we must be good!!! I'm disapointed Steve Williams didn't get in the first team though. Probably my all time favourite player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Ron fan Posted 16 February, 2009 Share Posted 16 February, 2009 3 comments: 1. The only obvious omission from the A team, for me, is Steve Williams, whom I think was the best midfielder for Saints in the last 40 years (and played for the best part of 10 years). 2. Kelvin Davis appearing as one of our best 4 keepers ever is a complete farce - virtually every regular keeper we've had over the last 40 years - and some irregular ones - have been better. 3. Thanks for organising it. It's been a lot of fun and brought back some memories of great players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintSparky Posted 16 February, 2009 Share Posted 16 February, 2009 Thanks for pulling this together St Landrew; it has been a very welcome and interesting football related diversion in recent weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludwig Posted 16 February, 2009 Share Posted 16 February, 2009 Didn't Matt Mills leave us for Man City having not got enough first team chances? It's a bit ridiculous to put him up there in the B team just because Birmingham are willing to chance a few million on him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kadeem Hardison Posted 16 February, 2009 Share Posted 16 February, 2009 Matt Mills barely played a f*cking game for us. This just goes to show what a sham this whole rigged poll has been. :mad: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deppo Posted 16 February, 2009 Share Posted 16 February, 2009 Where's Shayne Bradley? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marsdinho Posted 16 February, 2009 Share Posted 16 February, 2009 Didn't Matt Mills leave us for Man City having not got enough first team chances? It's a bit ridiculous to put him up there in the B team just because Birmingham are willing to chance a few million on him. MICK Mills Not MATT Mills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berkshire Saint Posted 16 February, 2009 Share Posted 16 February, 2009 Matt Mills barely played a f*cking game for us. This just goes to show what a sham this whole rigged poll has been. :mad: Mick Mills you mug... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Landrew Posted 16 February, 2009 Author Share Posted 16 February, 2009 Didn't Matt Mills leave us for Man City having not got enough first team chances? It's a bit ridiculous to put him up there in the B team just because Birmingham are willing to chance a few million on him. Matt Mills barely played a f*cking game for us. This just goes to show what a sham this whole rigged poll has been. :mad: What a couple of pathetic idiots you people are. Frankly, I'm surprised at you Buzzin'. Was it you that dreamed that little idea up..? :smt082 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintwarwick Posted 16 February, 2009 Share Posted 16 February, 2009 Thanks for pulling this together St Landrew; it has been a very welcome and interesting football related diversion in recent weeks. Agreed well done St Landrew, I've enjoyed picking my best players and it has been a great diversion to the normal A la carte that has been served on here recently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
offix Posted 17 February, 2009 Share Posted 17 February, 2009 3 comment: Kelvin Davis appearing as one of our best 4 keepers ever is a complete farce - virtually every regular keeper we've had over the last 40 years - and some irregular ones - have been better. I completely agree! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_stevo Posted 17 February, 2009 Share Posted 17 February, 2009 Ekelund plays 17games or so and gets in one of the squads! Mental, its probably the Cruyff-WGS story that swung that one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rpb Posted 17 February, 2009 Share Posted 17 February, 2009 Ekelund plays 17games or so and gets in one of the squads! Mental, its probably the Cruyff-WGS story that swung that one It was Cruyff - Ball actually. Ekelund didn't play for us for long but I can understand people voting for him, he was a class act. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiltshire Saint Posted 17 February, 2009 Share Posted 17 February, 2009 Didn't Matt Mills leave us for Man City having not got enough first team chances? It's a bit ridiculous to put him up there in the B team just because Birmingham are willing to chance a few million on him. Matt Mills barely played a f*cking game for us. This just goes to show what a sham this whole rigged poll has been. :mad: Where's Shayne Bradley? You make me sick, you pathetic idiots. How dare you drag the good name of this club and the best players this club has ever seen into the mud. I don't often ask for bannings, but surely the mods and admin can consider banning these three idiots. Shame on you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Paul Posted 17 February, 2009 Share Posted 17 February, 2009 Great thread. The only one's I'd disagree with were Bridge ahead of Dennis and I'd have tried to find a place in the first team for Stevie Williams. He and Bally together were the best midfield pairing I've seen at the Club.Although who I'd leave out for him, it's impossible to decide. If we came back and did the same thing in 20 years, this would still be the same team. Anyone who could get anywhere near it, will be sold before they reach the required peak. Just take a minute to think about the fantastic players that couldn't even make either team. Some of us 40+ are lucky enough to have seen most of them play,and as bad as things are now, Lowe can not take that away from us........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PAULACZT Posted 17 February, 2009 Share Posted 17 February, 2009 Great thread. The only one's I'd disagree with were Bridge ahead of Dennis and I'd have tried to find a place in the first team for Stevie Williams. He and Bally together were the best midfield pairing I've seen at the Club.Although who I'd leave out for him, it's impossible to decide. If we came back and did the same thing in 20 years, this would still be the same team. Anyone who could get anywhere near it, will be sold before they reach the required peak. Just take a minute to think about the fantastic players that couldn't even make either team. Some of us 40+ are lucky enough to have seen most of them play,and as bad as things are now, Lowe can not take that away from us........ Yes I agree, Dennis was a better defender than Bridge...and Williams with Ball was superb. Can someone work out how many players Lowe has had any involvement with, in the two teams...and Ted and LMc? Which were bought,discovered etc., and by whom? Lowe =Niemi and? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L1Minus10 Posted 17 February, 2009 Share Posted 17 February, 2009 Bridge ahead of Dennis surprises me. Dodd ahead of Mills - have a word!!! Kelvin Davis - yeah right!!! Shearer didn't do much for Saints really.... I expect he's be in the Blackburn and Newcastle best XI's Chris Marsen or John Sydenham... tough one.. not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norwaysaint Posted 19 February, 2009 Share Posted 19 February, 2009 Hey, why isn't this a sticky any more. Have you got fed up with it StL? Can one of the other mods sticky it please. This took a lot of everyone's time and it's a bit premature to lose it already. Odd decision really. Protest! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ponty Posted 19 February, 2009 Share Posted 19 February, 2009 Allow me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 19 February, 2009 Share Posted 19 February, 2009 Bridge ahead of Dennis surprises me. Dodd ahead of Mills - have a word!!! Kelvin Davis - yeah right!!! Shearer didn't do much for Saints really.... I expect he's be in the Blackburn and Newcastle best XI's Chris Marsen or John Sydenham... tough one.. not That I'm afraid is due to the fact those voting are of the younger age group with no real knowledge of things before perhaps 1995 or in some cases pre St Marys. I agree with you that the selection of Bridge - who has spent the 'best years' of his career as a Chelsea reserve - ahead of Dennis or David Peach is ridiculous. Marsden,popular yes,but as you say not better than Sydenham as long as he had a hole in his arse. Kelvin ? Ridiculous. Managers.Only Ted should lead our greats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 19 February, 2009 Share Posted 19 February, 2009 Good one St Landrew Inevitably some of the more recent players get in ahead of some of the older players where there is not an absloute legend available, that reflects probably on the make-up of the subscribers to this board. My only gripes (now I'll show my age) are the lack of spaces for Dave Peach (best LB ever) and Phil Boyer who should have at least made the bench. Bridge may be good, but he couldn't hold a candle to Peachey. Ball and Williams also should be together, the sum of the parts was far better than the individuals, both great, but together one of the best midfield pairings ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Landrew Posted 20 February, 2009 Author Share Posted 20 February, 2009 Good one St Landrew Inevitably some of the more recent players get in ahead of some of the older players where there is not an absloute legend available, that reflects probably on the make-up of the subscribers to this board. My only gripes (now I'll show my age) are the lack of spaces for Dave Peach (best LB ever) and Phil Boyer who should have at least made the bench. Bridge may be good, but he couldn't hold a candle to Peachey. Ball and Williams also should be together, the sum of the parts was far better than the individuals, both great, but together one of the best midfield pairings ever. FWIW, I entirely agree with you. But it's too much to ask for complete accord amongst a diverse age range of fans. On the main website we'll be having some player profiles and memories of those picked, and the near misses too. So hopefully, by the end of Saints Greatest XI, players like Phil Boyer, David Peach, Martin Chivers, etc... maybe even completely overlooked stars like Charlie George and Ted MacDougall, won't be just a myth to the younger supporters, as they wonder what the hell the older ones amongst us are going on about. :smt115 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaiser Soze Posted 20 February, 2009 Share Posted 20 February, 2009 Good effort to all involved. Quick point - what the hell is Kelvin Davis doing on there? He might have had a good season but to suggest he has been one of our best four ever keepers is ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Landrew Posted 21 February, 2009 Author Share Posted 21 February, 2009 Good effort to all involved. Quick point - what the hell is Kelvin Davis doing on there? He might have had a good season but to suggest he has been one of our best four ever keepers is ridiculous. Exactly..! But it's democracy mate... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergei Gotsmanov Posted 21 February, 2009 Share Posted 21 February, 2009 Just a few thoughts.... I seem to remember Malcolm Waldren winning the player of the season in the early eighties - does he warrant a mention? Also Beasant had one season with us when he won the same award and I thought he was absolutely oustanding. I do not have the player of the season list but we always seemed to get it about right. Neil Ruddock scored goals and had a good couple of seasons. Hassan Kachoul was oustanding in the great escape year. Carlton Palmer too was monumental about this time. From a tactician's perspective it might be useful to have Crouch on the bench Two of the best players I have seen in a Saints shirt but would not neccessarily want in my team were Eyal Berkovic and Henri Camara. Are we going on quality? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Landrew Posted 21 February, 2009 Author Share Posted 21 February, 2009 Just a few thoughts.... I seem to remember Malcolm Waldren winning the player of the season in the early eighties - does he warrant a mention? Also Beasant had one season with us when he won the same award and I thought he was absolutely oustanding. I do not have the player of the season list but we always seemed to get it about right. Neil Ruddock scored goals and had a good couple of seasons. Hassan Kachoul was oustanding in the great escape year. Carlton Palmer too was monumental about this time. From a tactician's perspective it might be useful to have Crouch on the bench Two of the best players I have seen in a Saints shirt but would not neccessarily want in my team were Eyal Berkovic and Henri Camara. Are we going on quality? We've just spent the last couple of months voting on who were the best players in our opinion. It's a bit late to enter the race when it's already over. Sorry mate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcjwills Posted 22 February, 2009 Share Posted 22 February, 2009 But wheres Chicken George? Oh yeah he was ****e really, but a great character in the club Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlfredKo Posted 24 February, 2009 Share Posted 24 February, 2009 No room for Pele, Best, Charlton or Moore. Bloody hell we must be good!!! I'm disapointed Steve Williams didn't get in the first team though. Probably my all time favourite player. Of course no Pele in WBA, no Leon Best, no Charlton players(Euell, Perry) and no Kevin Moore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rpb Posted 24 February, 2009 Share Posted 24 February, 2009 Of course no Pele in WBA, no Leon Best, no Charlton players(Euell, Perry) and no Kevin Moore. Er, I think that was Hatch's point - except he would have meant Simon Charlton not Euell and Perry... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monosaint Posted 25 February, 2009 Share Posted 25 February, 2009 Let's not forget that we have had 7 England Captains ( I reckon) playing for Saints.. Must include them surely. That does include MTL captaining the B Side for about 10 minutes though.. My Team.. Shilton Mick Mills Mark Wright Dave Watson Wayne Bridge Alan Ball Matt Le Tissier Kevin Keegan David Armstrong Channon Alan Shearer Subs.. Ron Davies, Charlie George, Michael Svensson, Klaus Lundekvam, Jimmy Case What a Team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corsacar saint Posted 26 February, 2009 Share Posted 26 February, 2009 I am very surprised that Steve Williams did not make even the bench for the first eleven. The guy was a magnificent footballer, who surprisingly never hit the expected levels when he played for Arsenal.[Although George Graham did seem to mess him around alot]. However saying all that it would be very difficult to leave out the three superstars and David Armstrong[who provided the left foot and the midfield balance]. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rpb Posted 26 February, 2009 Share Posted 26 February, 2009 I am very surprised that Steve Williams did not make even the bench for the first eleven. The way the poll worked meant that it was better to be in the second XI than on the bench for the first - the subs were chosen out of the ones who didn't make either team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hutch Posted 27 February, 2009 Share Posted 27 February, 2009 Not sure if you got it there, but last night here on ESPN Classic they showed the '74 England v. Poland qualifier. I'd almost forgotten what an absolutely outstanding player Channon was (and that was very far from his best game). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 27 February, 2009 Share Posted 27 February, 2009 Pahars up front but Shearer on the bench - how the **** did that happen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rpb Posted 27 February, 2009 Share Posted 27 February, 2009 Pahars up front but Shearer on the bench - how the **** did that happen? Agreed, that was a strange one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Boy Saint Posted 27 February, 2009 Share Posted 27 February, 2009 A bit disappointed Phil Boyer didn't get a shout, spearheaded our attack through promotion and continued his goal scoring feats into the 1st Division (old money) which even in todays football is a rarity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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