paulwantsapint Posted 19 August, 2008 Share Posted 19 August, 2008 If Skacel is still at saints on 2nd sept will Jan start to play him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nexstar Posted 19 August, 2008 Share Posted 19 August, 2008 Yes, no point paying wages until january if we don't use him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy_Porter Posted 19 August, 2008 Share Posted 19 August, 2008 (edited) Considering he hasn't really played any games I doubt he will even be able to complete his usual 60 minutes. Still he could be a usefull player for us, good cover.... Edited 26 August, 2008 by Andy_Porter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted 19 August, 2008 Share Posted 19 August, 2008 He has already stated that whoever is still here when the window shuts will be added to the squad, so yeah presumably he will pick him. I think he would fit well into the system we play personally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted 19 August, 2008 Share Posted 19 August, 2008 I highly doubt he'll just select him straight away. It would be down to Rudi to get his head sorted and start playing the sort of football that merits a place in our starting 11. Just because he's on high wages, doesn't mean he should be an automatic choice in the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nexstar Posted 19 August, 2008 Share Posted 19 August, 2008 Can see him playing for the reserves until the end of the transfer window. If he's here then he'll play first team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Man Do Posted 19 August, 2008 Share Posted 19 August, 2008 ha we'll probably do our usual trick of a 10 minutes to midnight loan so some other team can have the benefit of his crossing skills =] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Balls Posted 20 August, 2008 Share Posted 20 August, 2008 I think he would do very well in our current formation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 20 August, 2008 Share Posted 20 August, 2008 I think he would do very well in our current formation. Not going by his performance the other night..its not as if he wasn't trying...he was just absolute pants...this coming from one of his main supporters last year! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrant Posted 20 August, 2008 Share Posted 20 August, 2008 And he's now apparently injured as well, so not much chance of him being sold right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 20 August, 2008 Share Posted 20 August, 2008 When fit again after injury I would estimate his pre season will never be completed until xmas time, if ever. Without this commitment he will always be a really talented player who has never attained a reasonable level of fitness. As a supporter of this lad I feel he has let us and himself down big time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicestersaint Posted 20 August, 2008 Share Posted 20 August, 2008 I really don't rate him and would rather see us using younger players. What did he contribute last season?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ziggy Posted 22 August, 2008 Share Posted 22 August, 2008 I can't say I've missed him. It's a shame because he has shown glimpses of being a good player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted 22 August, 2008 Share Posted 22 August, 2008 I really don't rate him and would rather see us using younger players. What did he contribute last season?? What would you like from a midfielder playing half a season at LB? Anyway, he did score a crucial goal when we beat West Brom, so we would have been 2 points worse off without him. Mind you, 2 points off our final points tally wouldn't have mattered. It's not as if we'd have been releg... oh... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan The Flames Posted 23 August, 2008 Share Posted 23 August, 2008 He can't really be that ****, he was class at Hearts and Championship football standard must be below that. He needs a JP cuddle and made an important part the team and we will be thanking a lucky stars he stayed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 23 August, 2008 Share Posted 23 August, 2008 He can't really be that ****, he was class at Hearts and Championship football standard must be below that. He needs a JP cuddle and made an important part the team and we will be thanking a lucky stars he stayed. michael ricketts was class in the prem for a season too.... I guess is was a purple patch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan The Flames Posted 23 August, 2008 Share Posted 23 August, 2008 michael ricketts was class in the prem for a season too.... I guess is was a purple patch Sell him quick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 23 August, 2008 Share Posted 23 August, 2008 Skacel and Sagnowski CAN be good players. IMO its not their ability thats in doubt but their mentality. They go off the boil too easily and produce little for weeks on end - and we cant afford that kind of inconsistency. You might work on that with a young developing player on low wages, but if its still happening to players earning £8,000pw plus in their late 20s its time to let them go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted 23 August, 2008 Share Posted 23 August, 2008 Skacel and Sagnowski CAN be good players. IMO its not their ability thats in doubt but their mentality. They go off the boil too easily and produce little for weeks on end - and we cant afford that kind of inconsistency. You might work on that with a young developing player on low wages, but if its still happening to players earning £8,000pw plus in their late 20s its time to let them go. I am still trying to figure out when exactly Skacel is supposed to have performed badly. In the playoff season he was our joint midfield goalscorer with 4. I don't think any midfielder has scored more than that for Saints since MLT in the late '90s. He was also second only to Bale in the assists chart. Not my favourite statistic as it can be misleading, but he did provide a lot of creativity that season. Last season at LB he was also pretty solid. The only poor performance I can remember was Colchester at home, when he had just come back from injury and was clearly unfit. Yes I know Stamina was far from his strong point, but how many box to box for 90 minutes, creative genius's do you find in the CCC? Different players have different strenghts. Viafara, probably on similar wages, couldn't pass water, but I don't see many comments about him underperforming that year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St_Tel49 Posted 23 August, 2008 Share Posted 23 August, 2008 I am still trying to figure out when exactly Skacel is supposed to have performed badly. In the playoff season he was our joint midfield goalscorer with 4. I don't think any midfielder has scored more than that for Saints since MLT in the late '90s. He was also second only to Bale in the assists chart. Not my favourite statistic as it can be misleading, but he did provide a lot of creativity that season. Last season at LB he was also pretty solid. The only poor performance I can remember was Colchester at home, when he had just come back from injury and was clearly unfit. Yes I know Stamina was far from his strong point, but how many box to box for 90 minutes, creative genius's do you find in the CCC? Different players have different strenghts. Viafara, probably on similar wages, couldn't pass water, but I don't see many comments about him underperforming that year. I agree with much of what you say. My only concern is that JP's style is a high energy, highly mobile approach and that does not really describe Rudi. But, if he is not sold then I believe there is still a role for him - if he wants to adapt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
musesaint Posted 24 August, 2008 Share Posted 24 August, 2008 Surman clearly doesn't like the role he's being asked to fit ..Isn't a fully fit Rudi a better option there if we still have him on 2/9...? Releasing Drew for other roles? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
northants saint Posted 24 August, 2008 Share Posted 24 August, 2008 On yesterday's showing, his only chance of getting a game is if/when someone in a similar position gets an injury. I'm not convinced his style of play is suited to the new team ethos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted 24 August, 2008 Share Posted 24 August, 2008 On yesterday's showing, his only chance of getting a game is if/when someone in a similar position gets an injury. I'm not convinced his style of play is suited to the new team ethos. Fast passing with creative, attacking midfielders moving forward to join the attack? Of all the old school players we had last season, I'd have said he was best suited to the new style of play. I guess we will find out if he stays and gets selected. Hopefully he will get to show off his skill in midfield again, although having read reports on the likes of Holmes and Lallana, compared to Surman, I think LB looks more likely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 24 August, 2008 Share Posted 24 August, 2008 if the transfer window closes I assume he can be loaned out afterwards? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Professor Posted 24 August, 2008 Share Posted 24 August, 2008 Yes, no point paying wages until january if we don't use him. On this basis, you'd give everybody a go in the first team. Not really the approach to get the best out of the squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobM Posted 24 August, 2008 Share Posted 24 August, 2008 I don't agree that we should play him because we are paying him. I believe the best man for the job gets it and those who perform the best and most consistently get in the team. Doesn't matter if they are paid the most or not. If Skacel is still here, we are still paying him whether or not he plays. So financially, it makes no difference whether he plays or not. If he proves himself worthy of replacing somebody in the current lineup, he should play. If he does not, he should not play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint1977 Posted 24 August, 2008 Share Posted 24 August, 2008 If Skacel is still here on Sept 2 and can get fit, the thought of him and Holmes down the left would be excellent and make right-sided players at other CCC clubs very worried. Surman isn't a LB but wouldn't get into a midfield berth at the moment the way Gillett, Morgan S and Holmes are playing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Latheal Posted 24 August, 2008 Share Posted 24 August, 2008 Can we actually afford Skacel's appearance fee? People seem to forget that part of the reason we are so skint and not playing the high earning players is not only the wages, but the appearance fees we have to pay them (and in the cases of Saga, Rasiak, probable goal bonuses). Skacel is actually one of my favourite players and I thought he and Surman had a good understanding down the left when they were together. I'm still not totally convinced about Lee Holmes either but not 100% sure we can afford Skacel. I've no doubt he could play somewhere in this formation, either LB, LW or behind the striker but I'd be surprised if we see him unless their is an injury. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Second Coming Posted 24 August, 2008 Share Posted 24 August, 2008 I don't agree that we should play him because we are paying him. I believe the best man for the job gets it and those who perform the best and most consistently get in the team. Doesn't matter if they are paid the most or not. If Skacel is still here, we are still paying him whether or not he plays. So financially, it makes no difference whether he plays or not. If he proves himself worthy of replacing somebody in the current lineup, he should play. If he does not, he should not play. Perfect sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wightman35 Posted 24 August, 2008 Share Posted 24 August, 2008 I don't agree that we should play him because we are paying him. I believe the best man for the job gets it and those who perform the best and most consistently get in the team. Doesn't matter if they are paid the most or not. If Skacel is still here, we are still paying him whether or not he plays. So financially, it makes no difference whether he plays or not. If he proves himself worthy of replacing somebody in the current lineup, he should play. If he does not, he should not play. Absolutely right! If he is not good enough to play, send him down to clean the toilets instead. That should encourage him to train harder!!:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan The Flames Posted 24 August, 2008 Share Posted 24 August, 2008 I don't agree that we should play him because we are paying him. I believe the best man for the job gets it and those who perform the best and most consistently get in the team. Doesn't matter if they are paid the most or not. If Skacel is still here, we are still paying him whether or not he plays. So financially, it makes no difference whether he plays or not. If he proves himself worthy of replacing somebody in the current lineup, he should play. If he does not, he should not play. The argument is slightly different in that whilst we are paying him he should be considered along with everyone else, given the chance like every other player to prove he is the best person for the job. The only reason to completely ignore him is because the club want to sell him so there is no point him being involved as it will only effect the team when he goes etc etc. Now when the transfer window closes this ceases to be the position, so he should then train with the squad and try and break into the side. With a little cuddle and a nudge in the right direction he could be a benefit to this side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 26 August, 2008 Share Posted 26 August, 2008 There doesn't seem to be very much backing this rumour up but I'll post it anyway and you can make of it what you will . http://www.clubfanzine.com/ipswich_town/v2.showNews.php?id=13608 I guess we'll know the truth of it by next Monday . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Professor Posted 26 August, 2008 Share Posted 26 August, 2008 Can we actually afford Skacel's appearance fee? People seem to forget that part of the reason we are so skint and not playing the high earning players is not only the wages, but the appearance fees we have to pay them (and in the cases of Saga, Rasiak, probable goal bonuses). .......... I wasn't aware of this, were others? If this is true, it is a very good reason, not only to see Rudi move on, but also not to play him at all. This may be why he couldn't agree wages with Ipswich as the loss of bonus' makes the pay drop even bigger. Anyone know how long Rudi has on his contract? Could the club let him sit it out in the stands if he refuses to reduce his wage demands? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 26 August, 2008 Share Posted 26 August, 2008 I wasn't aware of this, were others? If this is true, it is a very good reason, not only to see Rudi move on, but also not to play him at all. This may be why he couldn't agree wages with Ipswich as the loss of bonus' makes the pay drop even bigger. Anyone know how long Rudi has on his contract? Could the club let him sit it out in the stands if he refuses to reduce his wage demands? No one knows if he has an appearance fee as part of his contract or if he does have one how high it is. I'd of thought there was little chance of getting him to reduce his wages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 26 August, 2008 Share Posted 26 August, 2008 "Meanwhile, Magilton has also confirmed that Town’s move for Southampton’s Czech international Rudi Skácel is now dead. A £1 million fee had been agreed with the Saints and Skácel had even had a medical with the Blues, but it appears the 29-year-old is looking for top division football to enhance his chances of playing international football." http://www.clubfanzine.com/ipswich_town/v2.showNews.php?id=12534 I didn't realise that was why he didn't join them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
offix Posted 26 August, 2008 Share Posted 26 August, 2008 Skacel doesn't want to be here. Puts in no effort, is "injured" at the slightest opportunity. Remind you of a certain South American player we used to have? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 26 August, 2008 Share Posted 26 August, 2008 Saints confirm he is still injured. Iam sure even when injury free will require a great deal of time to get fit then match fit. Real use to us not some time soon. Pity was a good player once upon a time. Well in a few games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNSUN Posted 26 August, 2008 Share Posted 26 August, 2008 Considering he hasn't really played any games I doubt he will even be able to complete his usual 60 minutes. Still he could be a usefull player for us, better than Holmes anyway. Bit premature saying that IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Latheal Posted 26 August, 2008 Share Posted 26 August, 2008 No one knows if he has an appearance fee as part of his contract or if he does have one how high it is. I'd of thought there was little chance of getting him to reduce his wages. True, but I would have thought an international player (ok, not a great one) on high wages would have appearance fees in there. Goal bonuses are almost a given as well. Can anybody verify? Absolutely no chance of getting him to reduce wages and to be fair to him, why would he? Its not like he's been here a great length of time - like I said I actually like the player but not for the sake of the club. If we can't afford him, we have to do something - loaning him out to somebody else in this division and paying some of his wages may be the only option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy_Porter Posted 26 August, 2008 Share Posted 26 August, 2008 Bit premature saying that IMO. Yeah indeed, after Saturday I'll take that back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 26 August, 2008 Share Posted 26 August, 2008 loaning him out to somebody else in this division and paying some of his wages may be the only option. I said several weeks ago we should have paid the £4k a week drop in wages he would have taken going to Ipswich. The £1m transfer fee would have made a sizeable dent in our overdraft and the savings in interest payments would go towards that £4k a week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNSUN Posted 26 August, 2008 Share Posted 26 August, 2008 Yeah indeed, after Saturday I'll take that back. ...and tonight... ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rolosfc Posted 26 August, 2008 Share Posted 26 August, 2008 Considering he hasn't really played any games I doubt he will even be able to complete his usual 60 minutes. Still he could be a usefull player for us, better than Holmes anyway. Holmes has been a great signing so far IMO. Much more productive than Rudi, better final project and loads more energy. Also wants to play for the club which is the main thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy_Porter Posted 26 August, 2008 Share Posted 26 August, 2008 Holmes has been a great signing so far IMO. Much more productive than Rudi, better final project and loads more energy. Also wants to play for the club which is the main thing. Yeah, I guess I was wrong. I didn't think much the first time I saw him but after Derby I think I was wrong. He's ace and a superb deal to get him for free. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plumstead_Saint Posted 26 August, 2008 Share Posted 26 August, 2008 Considering he hasn't really played any games I doubt he will even be able to complete his usual 60 minutes. Still he could be a usefull player for us, better than Holmes anyway. Would you like salt and pepper with your words? :smt082:smt082:smt082 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plumstead_Saint Posted 26 August, 2008 Share Posted 26 August, 2008 (edited) Would you like salt and pepper with your words? :smt082:smt082:smt082 EDIT Sorry mate - I should read the whole thread before reacting. ANOTHER EDIT Wow this site updates quick - quick visit to paypal and I can edit posts straightaway! Edited 26 August, 2008 by Plumstead_Saint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy_Porter Posted 26 August, 2008 Share Posted 26 August, 2008 would you like salt and pepper with your words? :smt082:smt082:smt082 ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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