saints_is_the_south Posted 10 March, 2009 Share Posted 10 March, 2009 Defining moment? Would have put us 2 nil up & surely given us 3 points. How he missed who knows, i think my dead grandad could have scored that. Will cost us very dear IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hopkins Posted 10 March, 2009 Share Posted 10 March, 2009 That was guff. He was guff. Don't even get me started on Skacel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micky Posted 10 March, 2009 Share Posted 10 March, 2009 Defining moment? Would have put us 2 nil up & surely given us 3 points. How he missed who knows, i think my dead grandad could have scored that. Will cost us very dear IMO That was guff. He was guff. Don't even get me started on Skacel. Nothing like 'in depth' match reviews from one who was there - thanks guys...!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huffton Posted 10 March, 2009 Share Posted 10 March, 2009 Don't think Drew completed a single pass all night. All he had to do was pass it into the net, not surprised he missed. Shades of Prutton vs WBA in our last relegation season, the goal that could have kept us up, or the miss that sent us down? Its all a bit familiar.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadgerBadger Posted 10 March, 2009 Share Posted 10 March, 2009 That was guff. He was guff. Don't even get me started on Skacel. He's right both of them were pooh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teamsaint Posted 10 March, 2009 Share Posted 10 March, 2009 reminds me of Fryatts miss late on at SMS last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted 10 March, 2009 Share Posted 10 March, 2009 Surman was complete gash tonight. That miss was the icing on the cake. Or maybe the banana skin on the compost heap. Skacel I thought was pretty good. Reliable at the back and made things happen on occasions when he went forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint lard Posted 10 March, 2009 Share Posted 10 March, 2009 Surman was atrocious in eveything he did tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamKimish Posted 10 March, 2009 Share Posted 10 March, 2009 Southampton manager Mark Wotte "That was a great opportunity but I do not want to blame Andrew too much because he has been fantastic for us this season. "But today was not his best game for us and I think he is suffering from fatigue like a lot of our players. Yet a few days earlier ... Wotte: Tiredness not a factor It's an easy excuse but I won't use it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_stevo Posted 10 March, 2009 Share Posted 10 March, 2009 from where i was sat it didn't look exactly clear cut? about 12 yards out with a few players in front of him? The defining factor may be that they hit the inside of the post on 88mins and not the back of the net! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted 10 March, 2009 Share Posted 10 March, 2009 from where i was sat it didn't look exactly clear cut? about 12 yards out with a few players in front of him? The defining factor may be that they hit the inside of the post on 88mins and not the back of the net! Euell hit a great chance tamely at the 'keeper about a minute before, so it could have gone either way at the end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmel Posted 10 March, 2009 Share Posted 10 March, 2009 Euell hit a great chance tamely at the 'keeper about a minute before, so it could have gone either way at the end. About three minutes after Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted 11 March, 2009 Share Posted 11 March, 2009 About three minutes after Could have sworn the clock said 87 minutes something after Euell's effort. :-s Oh well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamKimish Posted 11 March, 2009 Share Posted 11 March, 2009 from where i was sat it didn't look exactly clear cut? about 12 yards out with a few players in front of him? The defining factor may be that they hit the inside of the post on 88mins and not the back of the net! I was already applauding what I thought was an amazing individual effort! The shot itself was worthy of a goal And I completely agree about Surman's chance but what annoyed me tonight was the amount of misplaced passes, not just from Surman (although he was one of the worst offenders) but from both teams as a whole. That and the inconsistent refereeing decisions! :smt017 But I guess that that's just Championship football for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Mockles Posted 11 March, 2009 Share Posted 11 March, 2009 (edited) from where i was sat it didn't look exactly clear cut? about 12 yards out with a few players in front of him? The defining factor may be that they hit the inside of the post on 88mins and not the back of the net! You're joking! It was that distance, possibly a yard or so closer & on his left (his stronger) foot AND on his instep. Clear cut & easy. You could see the slide marks left in the turf behind the penalty spot. Golden goal scoring terroritory. We knew it, he knew it & Drew will be pondering this terrible miss. A few mins after he still held his hands behind his head, in disbelief. He knew damn well that was a clear cut chance that he should have buried to seal the game. In the end, either team could have won it. After we scored, they came at us. Us probably having the better chances, excluding their inside post shot pinging across Kelvin's goal at the end. Surman had a poor game. I thought Euell was my MOM. Skacel mediocre, caught a few times. James is not a defender, naive & doesn't read the game well. Norwich won. We're in grave peril. Edited 11 March, 2009 by Gordon Mockles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
new_zealand_saint Posted 11 March, 2009 Share Posted 11 March, 2009 I really don't see what the fuss and hype is about on surman todays performance is about average for him, and it was terrible...i really don't rate him. he looked lost out there today. no right foot, average passing skills, no strength at all, no aireal ability, no pace, no future in football IMO also, have heard a rumour we've already released BWP as his contract is up in the summer, and his police issues, but is just a rumour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 11 March, 2009 Share Posted 11 March, 2009 from where i was sat it didn't look exactly clear cut? about 12 yards out with a few players in front of him? The defining factor may be that they hit the inside of the post on 88mins and not the back of the net! I thought the same. A good chance, but not the absolute sitter people are making it out to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stanthemanfairoak Posted 11 March, 2009 Share Posted 11 March, 2009 Yet a few days earlier ... young men 20 odd years of age can`t play 2 games of football in one week ,whats is this world comin to ,good job theirs not a world war to fight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 11 March, 2009 Share Posted 11 March, 2009 Defining moment? Wotte taking off Surman and replacing him with Wotton. We needed to press home the 1-0 advantage and defend from the front - putting on Wotton told the team to defend deep effectively and it almost cost us the game. Inept managerial decision once again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trumush Posted 11 March, 2009 Share Posted 11 March, 2009 Defining moment? Wotte taking off Surman and replacing him with Wotton. We needed to press home the 1-0 advantage and defend from the front - putting on Wotton told the team to defend deep effectively and it almost cost us the game. Inept managerial decision once again. Spot on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 11 March, 2009 Share Posted 11 March, 2009 Wotton is a donkey with no quality. I'd be quite happy if he never played for us again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Faz Posted 11 March, 2009 Share Posted 11 March, 2009 Defining moment? Wotte taking off Surman and replacing him with Wotton. We needed to press home the 1-0 advantage and defend from the front - putting on Wotton told the team to defend deep effectively and it almost cost us the game. Inept managerial decision once again. Agree - that move invited them to come at us as we sat back, and when we got the ball there was no outlet. poor substitution in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junior Mullet Posted 11 March, 2009 Share Posted 11 March, 2009 Defining moment? Wotte taking off Surman and replacing him with Wotton. We needed to press home the 1-0 advantage and defend from the front - putting on Wotton told the team to defend deep effectively and it almost cost us the game. Inept managerial decision once again. Surman had run out of steam. He does seem to fatigue quicker and/or have a slower recovery rate than some of the other players and so I am not surprised that he ran out steam. I can understand bringing Wotton on although I really dont rate him as a player. For me it showed our lack of depth in the squad - we needed to make a substitution but out of 4 subs left we really didnt have anyone good enough. God only knows what would happen if we got some injuries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 11 March, 2009 Share Posted 11 March, 2009 Wotton is a donkey with no quality. I'd be quite happy if he never played for us again.He adds a bit to our game and passion. he is no Ronaldo but he is what is needed in this league at times. As for Surmans miss it was vital and he had a poor night.As has been mentioned before that shot for them that hit the post and came out was just as vital. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iansouthstander Posted 11 March, 2009 Share Posted 11 March, 2009 Defining moment? Wotte taking off Surman and replacing him with Wotton. We needed to press home the 1-0 advantage and defend from the front - putting on Wotton told the team to defend deep effectively and it almost cost us the game. Inept managerial decision once again. Completely agree. What we needed was some composure on the ball , not just lumping it back for Derby to start a fresh attack . I thought Woottons introduction caused us to start panicing. Having said that , Surman had to come off as he was total gash , but there was precious little in the way of alternatives on the bench. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Bates Posted 11 March, 2009 Share Posted 11 March, 2009 EVERTON and Aston Villa are in a race to sign Southampton midfielder Andrew Surman. The South African-born 22-year-old has represented the England Under-21s and is a key player at the Saints. http://www.greenun24.co.uk/content/greenun/sport/football/non-league/story.aspx?brand=EADOnline&category=SportRumourMill&tBrand=GreenUnOnline&tCategory=xDefault&itemid=IPED11%20Mar%202009%2009%3A45%3A58%3A290 http://www.sunderlandecho.com/safc/Transfer-rumours-Wed-March-11.5058611.jp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 11 March, 2009 Share Posted 11 March, 2009 thye injury to Mc Claggon is unfortunate as his pace as an outlet is missed.Dyer of course would be ideal as well and I assume BWP is really out of favour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LostBoys Posted 11 March, 2009 Share Posted 11 March, 2009 I thought the miss was dreadful and i have seen better finishing in the Tyro league. The whole midfield were poor but Surman produced the worst performance I have seen from a SFC player this season. He could not pass tackle head and was frequently out of position. I agree that the two points dropped against a woeful Derby side could cost us dear in a few weeks time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 11 March, 2009 Share Posted 11 March, 2009 Defining moment? Wotte taking off Surman and replacing him with Wotton. We needed to press home the 1-0 advantage and defend from the front - putting on Wotton told the team to defend deep effectively and it almost cost us the game. Inept managerial decision once again. Totally agree. Just before they scored I said that we had completely lost our shape. I'm not impressed by this manager. And wtf was that substitution in injury time supposed to achieve? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monsoon Posted 11 March, 2009 Share Posted 11 March, 2009 We were bossed in midfield, lacked wide players, crosses coming in from to deep, ran out of ideas, ran out of steam. don't like to admit it but we need a player like savage broke up play, simple balls out wide, always available, simple football just sat in the middle of park holding things together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papa Shango Posted 11 March, 2009 Share Posted 11 March, 2009 He adds a bit to our game and passion. he is no Ronaldo but he is what is needed in this league at times. As for Surmans miss it was vital and he had a poor night.As has been mentioned before that shot for them that hit the post and came out was just as vital. No he isn't what we need at all. He is not Championship quality. I remember last week at Ipswich everyone was passing it around brilliantly, Wotton just came on and mindlessly booted it everywhere whenever the ball came near him. He is garbage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 11 March, 2009 Share Posted 11 March, 2009 No he isn't what we need at all. He is not Championship quality. I remember last week at Ipswich everyone was passing it around brilliantly, Wotton just came on and mindlessly booted it everywhere whenever the ball came near him. He is garbage.footballs all opinions. i dont think he is a grreat player but he adds to our bite and his experieence is invaluable. He did well for Plymouth and has helped galvanise the dressing room.Winning mentality has been in short supply at our club and he adds an ingrediant.All IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmel Posted 11 March, 2009 Share Posted 11 March, 2009 footballs all opinions. i dont think he is a grreat player but he adds to our bite and his experieence is invaluable. He did well for Plymouth and has helped galvanise the dressing room.Winning mentality has been in short supply at our club and he adds an ingrediant.All IMO I agree with you both. Gifted footballer he is not, but he does bring some steel and expereince to the table. If you look at how he is being used by Woote, it is only when we have something to protect that he brings him on. If that means he puts the ball into row Z with 3 minutes to go....so be it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Mockles Posted 11 March, 2009 Share Posted 11 March, 2009 I thought the same. A good chance, but not the absolute sitter people are making it out to be. Were you close to the action or at the game? Dunno how easy a chance has to be before you call it a sitter. On the goal line? Judging from Drew's response, he thought, I thought it, the football media & most of the crowd too...but not you?! Bizarre!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_stevo Posted 11 March, 2009 Share Posted 11 March, 2009 Were you close to the action or at the game? Dunno how easy a chance has to be before you call it a sitter. On the goal line? Judging from Drew's response, he thought, I thought it, the football media & most of the crowd too...but not you?! Bizarre!! i agree with saint clark, although from the itchen corner it may have been deceiving. Not like it was 4 or 5 yards out, goal gaping tho.....was it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papa Shango Posted 11 March, 2009 Share Posted 11 March, 2009 I didn't think it was that clear cut either to be honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 11 March, 2009 Share Posted 11 March, 2009 I think he had time to take a touch first. At least he should have 'hit the target' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
del boy Posted 11 March, 2009 Share Posted 11 March, 2009 I may be wrong but I dont think he meant to miss it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graffito Posted 11 March, 2009 Share Posted 11 March, 2009 I didn't see the game so can't comment on Surman's performance last night but I've read this thread and the range of opinions on Surman goes from "no future in football" to, by inference, the opinions of Stuart Pearce and apparently David Moyes and Martin O'Neill, who've all had some success. Whenever I've seen Surman play he's done well for us this year and is one of our more skilful players. By all accounts he had an off night last night but let's not write the lad off. He's a Saints fan too so he knows the score. MoM on Saturday I hope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 11 March, 2009 Share Posted 11 March, 2009 Were you close to the action or at the game? Dunno how easy a chance has to be before you call it a sitter. On the goal line? Judging from Drew's response, he thought, I thought it, the football media & most of the crowd too...but not you?! Bizarre!! Come on, the ball was travelling with a ton of pace, he was to the left of goal and he was at least 12 yards out. As I said, a good chance but not a sitter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 11 March, 2009 Share Posted 11 March, 2009 And also he was never out of position as some people have said. In this formation we DON'T play with wingers, we have a DM, an AM and two CM. Schneiderlin and Surman were the two CM, they were just further wide than anybody else in midfield. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thestokecanon Posted 11 March, 2009 Share Posted 11 March, 2009 I was already applauding what I thought was an amazing individual effort! The shot itself was worthy of a goal And I completely agree about Surman's chance but what annoyed me tonight was the amount of misplaced passes, not just from Surman (although he was one of the worst offenders) but from both teams as a whole. That and the inconsistent refereeing decisions! :smt017 But I guess that that's just Championship football for you. Don't worry, you won't have to put up with it much longer .............. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 11 March, 2009 Share Posted 11 March, 2009 Skacel I thought was pretty good. Reliable at the back and made things happen on occasions when he went forward. he sure knows how to do the least amount possible in a game without people noticing he is lazy. Skacel has real quality on the ball but when people are not looking at him he just can't be arsed. Shame. A real waste of talent IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_ed Posted 11 March, 2009 Share Posted 11 March, 2009 reminds me of Fryatts miss late on at SMS last season. It was nowhere near as bad as that. McGoldrick smashed the ball towards Surman so although a player of his ability should have probably hit the target, those claiming dead grandparents could have scored are talking well and truly out of their arse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 11 March, 2009 Share Posted 11 March, 2009 Yet a few days earlier ... Quote: Southampton manager Mark Wotte "That was a great opportunity but I do not want to blame Andrew too much because he has been fantastic for us this season. "But today was not his best game for us and I think he is suffering from fatigue like a lot of our players. Yet a few days earlier ... Quote: Wotte: Tiredness not a factor It's an easy excuse but I won't use it. Classic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 11 March, 2009 Share Posted 11 March, 2009 Defining moment? Would have put us 2 nil up & surely given us 3 points. How he missed who knows, i think my dead grandad could have scored that. Will cost us very dear IMO He's going in the summer anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Saint Posted 11 March, 2009 Share Posted 11 March, 2009 He's going in the summer anyway. There you go with supposed facts Robbie. How do you know? Do you speak to him and his family? Do you speak to his agent? Do you speak to Lowe or Wotte? Or is it just your opinion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ooohTerryHurlock Posted 11 March, 2009 Share Posted 11 March, 2009 Don't think Drew completed a single pass all night. All he had to do was pass it into the net, not surprised he missed. Shades of Prutton vs WBA in our last relegation season, the goal that could have kept us up, or the miss that sent us down? Its all a bit familiar.... The game that sent us down was villa at home - two nil up - lost three two. We got a point last night and in fairness could have lost when davies hit the post (not sure how that did n't go in) So don't necessarily think this is the worst result ever. We have four games at home left and need to win three - and of them plus pick up one win away and a couple of draws. Don't get too down about last night! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The King Posted 11 March, 2009 Share Posted 11 March, 2009 I was already applauding what I thought was an amazing individual effort! The shot itself was worthy of a goal And I completely agree about Surman's chance but what annoyed me tonight was the amount of misplaced passes, not just from Surman (although he was one of the worst offenders) but from both teams as a whole. That and the inconsistent refereeing decisions! :smt017 But I guess that that's just Championship football for you. Shoulda stayed in and watched the champions league Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teamsaint Posted 11 March, 2009 Share Posted 11 March, 2009 It was nowhere near as bad as that. McGoldrick smashed the ball towards Surman so although a player of his ability should have probably hit the target, those claiming dead grandparents could have scored are talking well and truly out of their arse. I really meant that the significance reminded me of fryatts miss, although it was from a similar position. i agree fryatts was a worse miss. I certainly am not one to blame Surman. he is, despite last nights effort, one of our best players. We will miss him when he goes to a higher placed club. the goal against PNE is soon forgotten by his critics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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