david in sweden Posted 27 April, 2009 Share Posted 27 April, 2009 (edited) A much debated topic I know, but with so many players out of contract this summer, I wonder what next seasons line-up might be. Our three " expensive " strikers who went out on loan will all go. Stern John is OOC. Watford seem to like Rasiak - so we should get a fee Saga may go to Poland /Germany and I expect Skacel to go somewhere, and Jason Euell too. If Dyer is to move to Swansea, I hope we've got enough guts to hold out for a good fee and not be panicked into selling cheap. I'd like to think Kelvin Davis would want to stay - he's done a great job- but he could surely get better offers from a higher-placed club. Saijs says he wants to stay, Perry will (I hope,) Wotton too...even League 1 shouldn't be a problem for them. Could it be Michael Svensson might still recover enough to play again? Z. Liptak may get a debut run-out on Sunday and could be good cover - if he wants to stay. As for all the youngsters....Lallana may go .........as for Surman ...he's surely the best of the bunch but will the " local boy " connection be enough to keep him (as team captain ?). The rest aren't likely to move, but many of them now have a season behind them, have shown promise and should improve; James, Gillett, DMG, Thomson, McLaggon, Paterson and Gobern especially so. Mills and Molyneux are both young and will still need time to develop. Ollie Lancashire had a disasterous first season giving away penalties, TWO red cards and looked totally out of place. Let's hope we see better in future. In all fairness; Gasmi, Pulis, Thomas and Holmes have been injured most of the season and Forecast is an unknown quantity at first team level. The other q-marks (?) are over; BWP, Bart, Smith, Schneiderlin and Liptak. I've surely missed someone / or two but it's only my first time thoughts. Edited 27 April, 2009 by david in sweden Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 27 April, 2009 Share Posted 27 April, 2009 Out of Saturday's squad I would keep Davis, Saeijs, Perry. the rest I'm not too bothered about. I'd also like to keep Skacel if possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James_O_Mac Posted 27 April, 2009 Share Posted 27 April, 2009 in realistic terms I believe we should keep: Saeijs, Perry, DMG, BWP, Thomson, McLaggon, Gobern, Paterson. Davis as much as he is loved here now, could easily find another team and probably will go. I have never understood the fuss with Lallana, everytime I have seen him he has done nothing of note and looks totally lightweight. Surman has never consistently performed either. As much as derision as DMG received over the start of the season, I feel he has matured into a much better player. The seeds of a good team are there! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott_saints Posted 27 April, 2009 Share Posted 27 April, 2009 DMG?? No chance people. He will be off to a decent team in the championship! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
new_zealand_saint Posted 27 April, 2009 Share Posted 27 April, 2009 I'd keep: Kelvin Davis Chris Perry Wayne Thomas Marek Saganowski Jan-Paul Saeijs Bradley Wright-Phillips Lee Holmes Stern John Jason Euell David McGoldrick Morgan Schneiderlin Adam Lallana Simon Gillet Lloyd James Oliver Lancashire Bartosz Bialkowski Joseph Mills Jamie White Matthew Patterson Oscar Gobern Ryan Smith Kayne McLaggon Should be good enough fo next year (although I think only probably half will actually stay) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 27 April, 2009 Share Posted 27 April, 2009 I'd keep: Kelvin Davis Chris Perry Wayne Thomas Marek Saganowski Jan-Paul Saeijs Bradley Wright-Phillips Lee Holmes Stern John Jason Euell David McGoldrick Morgan Schneiderlin Adam Lallana Simon Gillet Lloyd James Oliver Lancashire Bartosz Bialkowski Joseph Mills Jamie White Matthew Patterson Oscar Gobern Ryan Smith Kayne McLaggon Should be good enough fo next year (although I think only probably half will actually stay) The ones in bold are the ones I would get rid off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 27 April, 2009 Share Posted 27 April, 2009 agree DMG has had a reasonable season - think he suffered as fans wanted John, Rasiak and Saga and got a young player in his first season. His goal return, quality of some of them, and odd very good performance (Watford away he was class) make me think he could be very good for us next year. Saeijs/Perry look good- Wayne Thomas with something to prove (is he on big wages) James has got better (some of our worst performances were the games he missed) of course Kelvin if we can. Gillet and Holmes are a good start for midfield. Think we need a main central playmaker, forward and LB Not sure about Lallana or Surman - what are their positions?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capitalsaint Posted 27 April, 2009 Share Posted 27 April, 2009 The ones in bold are the ones I would get rid off. i'll probably get a bit of stick for this, but we had much better width when ryan smith came on for lallana, he provided a few decent crosses and i thought he was pretty effective... I think he could do a job in league 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebel Posted 27 April, 2009 Share Posted 27 April, 2009 I have a feeling Skacel is already gone - hence the non-appearance on Saturday and Saga is all but gone - both on free transfers abroad I would guess BWP, Davis, Euell and Smith are all out of contract - and will all be gone I hope. Kelvin may be a good shot stopper but we need someone who can command the box and distribute the ball a lot better than he does. Besides Poke will be back and we've got Forecast as well Bialkowski is on loan and out of contract! Saejis and Wotte are out of contract as we got relegated - so there gone - and good riddane I say! Stern is on loan and out of contract - so he's gone already! Dyer and Rasiak will be gone by next week - on cheap transfers to Swansea and Watford! Gasmi's loan is over - and I expect he'll go back to Strasbourg in France. Schneiderlin will go to Arsenal's reserves or some other premiership team. Lallana, Surman and McGoldrick will leave for CCC teams! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 27 April, 2009 Share Posted 27 April, 2009 Maybe Saeijs Maybe Davis Maybe Saga Maybe Gillet Maybe Rasiak (if we ha new owners) Couldnt give a f**k about the rest, and not bothered too much about these either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 27 April, 2009 Share Posted 27 April, 2009 I have a feeling Skacel is already gone - hence the non-appearance on Saturday and Saga is all but gone - both on free transfers abroad I would guess BWP, Davis, Euell and Smith are all out of contract - and will all be gone I hope. Kelvin may be a good shot stopper but we need someone who can command the box and distribute the ball a lot better than he does. Besides Poke will be back and we've got Forecast as well Bialkowski is on loan and out of contract! Saejis and Wotte are out of contract as we got relegated - so there gone - and good riddane I say! Stern is on loan and out of contract - so he's gone already! Dyer and Rasiak will be gone by next week - on cheap transfers to Swansea and Watford! Gasmi's loan is over - and I expect he'll go back to Strasbourg in France. Schneiderlin will go to Arsenal's reserves or some other premiership team. Lallana, Surman and McGoldrick will leave for CCC teams! do you watch???:confused: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stirchleysaint Posted 27 April, 2009 Share Posted 27 April, 2009 This is a flawed methodology in which to judge the retention of players.There are three key issues to consider: 1. size of the squad 2. wage bill (individually and collectively) 3. raising of capital (player sales) in order to rebalanced the squad 1. is pretty obvious. We need a tighter squad unit in order to contain costs. For example, having more than two professional keepers is a luxury in League 1. As we have two under contract for next season (Forecast & Poke), the obvious savings is to release Kelvin and Bialkowski. Such considerations need to be applied across the squad. 2. The average wage bill needs to be reduced. As we can't afford to pay the likes of Skacel, Rasiak & Saga, offering free transfers would be the quickest way of removing them from the wage-bill. Currently, these players are liabilities rather than assets. All high earners out of contract can only be offered significantly reduced terms if their services are to be retained. 3. There are a handful of younger players who could command fees. All should be considered as potential sales in order to generate funds to rebalance the squad and have a team able to be successful in League One. Regardless of who takes the club over, SFC has to prepare for life in League One. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 27 April, 2009 Share Posted 27 April, 2009 Until we're out of admin, we wont have much say in who stays and who goes. The Administrator has a legal duty to get as much money for creditors as possible. After Sunday, any offer for any players, will be accepted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 27 April, 2009 Share Posted 27 April, 2009 isn't it also flawed to say we need to reduce until we know how much someone wants to spend!;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 27 April, 2009 Share Posted 27 April, 2009 Until we're out of admin, we wont have much say in who stays and who goes. The Administrator has a legal duty to get as much money for creditors as possible. After Sunday, any offer for any players, will be accepted. just not true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidthesquid Posted 27 April, 2009 Share Posted 27 April, 2009 I'd keep: Kelvin Davis Chris Perry Wayne Thomas Marek Saganowski Jan-Paul Saeijs Bradley Wright-Phillips Lee Holmes Stern John Jason Euell David McGoldrick Morgan Schneiderlin Adam Lallana Simon Gillet Lloyd James Oliver Lancashire Bartosz Bialkowski Joseph Mills Jamie White Matthew Patterson Oscar Gobern Ryan Smith Kayne McLaggon Should be good enough fo next year (although I think only probably half will actually stay) Wouldn't it be quickerto say who you'd like to go? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 27 April, 2009 Share Posted 27 April, 2009 Maybe Saeijs Maybe Davis Maybe Saga Maybe Gillet Maybe Rasiak (if we ha new owners) Couldnt give a f**k about the rest, and not bothered too much about these either. What about the likes of Gobern and White? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 27 April, 2009 Share Posted 27 April, 2009 Maybe Saeijs Maybe Davis Maybe Saga Maybe Gillet Maybe Rasiak (if we ha new owners) Couldnt give a f**k about the rest, and not bothered too much about these either. Rasiak in the 3rd Division, he'd laugh you out of the door. He thinks he's a premiership player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludwig Posted 27 April, 2009 Share Posted 27 April, 2009 I'd like Lallana, McGoldrick, James, Saeijs, Perry, Davis, Holmes, Gillett, Paterson, McLaggon, Mills, White and Gobern. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 27 April, 2009 Share Posted 27 April, 2009 Maybe Saeijs Maybe Davis Maybe Saga Maybe Gillet Maybe Rasiak (if we ha new owners) Couldnt give a f**k about the rest, and not bothered too much about these either. You forgot James who will be excellant if played inhis right position! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 27 April, 2009 Share Posted 27 April, 2009 I have a feeling Skacel is already gone - hence the non-appearance on Saturday and Saga is all but gone - both on free transfers abroad I would guess BWP, Davis, Euell and Smith are all out of contract - and will all be gone I hope. Kelvin may be a good shot stopper but we need someone who can command the box and distribute the ball a lot better than he does. Besides Poke will be back and we've got Forecast as well Bialkowski is on loan and out of contract! Saejis and Wotte are out of contract as we got relegated - so there gone - and good riddane I say! Stern is on loan and out of contract - so he's gone already! Dyer and Rasiak will be gone by next week - on cheap transfers to Swansea and Watford! Gasmi's loan is over - and I expect he'll go back to Strasbourg in France. Schneiderlin will go to Arsenal's reserves or some other premiership team. Lallana, Surman and McGoldrick will leave for CCC teams! RE Saejis and Davis you are insane! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forever a red and white Posted 27 April, 2009 Share Posted 27 April, 2009 definatly think we should keep lloyd james and DMG if posible, both have vastly improved and could be key next season. Obviously it would be nice to keep Davis, maybe BWP, Perry, Gillett, Holmes, Spiderman, and Lallana and Surman. Wotton might be useful next season. Get rid of Saga, Size, Rudi, Euell, Molyenux and smith unless someone plays him in the irhgt position, but think Holmes has much better end product keep bartoz if davis goes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Man Do Posted 27 April, 2009 Share Posted 27 April, 2009 Team for next season: Davis James Perry Saeijs Mills Mclaggon Wotton Gillet Holmes Patterson White Really? That team would get mullered in League 1. We've done with the youth experiment lets hope we can move on from it! Controversial perhaps but after his last couple of performances BWP should be offered an extra year on somewhat reduced wages if he could be convinced to stay. He has pace and IMO played a blinder on saturday just needs to work on his fitness and finishing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egreog Posted 27 April, 2009 Share Posted 27 April, 2009 KD and Saeijis are the only 2 players worth keeping............there needs to be total refresh of team and so many dead wood players............any new owner, will I am sure want new management and very few of the present bunch of losers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 27 April, 2009 Share Posted 27 April, 2009 KD and Saeijis are the only 2 players worth keeping............there needs to be total refresh of team and so many dead wood players............any new owner, will I am sure want new management and very few of the present bunch of losers Not James, Gobern, Thomson, White? Certainly would keep Surman and Lallana if possible. As I have said previously, it's a confidence thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 27 April, 2009 Share Posted 27 April, 2009 Who goes, who stays - and more pertinently, who returns? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintDonkey Posted 27 April, 2009 Share Posted 27 April, 2009 I would expect we would sell Lallana, Surman and McGoldrick as our most saleable assetss, and that most of the players on higher wages would be out (plus I don't rate Schinderlin so see what we can get for him) If we can keep Davis, Saejis and Perry that would give us a good grounding at the back. And hang on to Wotton for his attitude more than his skill. So squad next season... -----------Davis James---Size---Perry---Mills -------Gillett---Wotton Thomson-----------Holmes -------White---Paterson Bench: Gobern, McLaggon, Forecast, Hatch, Lancashire, Smith (yes I rate Smith - I know that's a controversial view) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 27 April, 2009 Share Posted 27 April, 2009 I would expect we would sell Lallana, Surman and McGoldrick as our most saleable assetss, and that most of the players on higher wages would be out (plus I don't rate Schinderlin so see what we can get for him) If we can keep Davis, Saejis and Perry that would give us a good grounding at the back. And hang on to Wotton for his attitude more than his skill. So squad next season... -----------Davis James---Size---Perry---Mills -------Gillett---Wotton Thomson-----------Holmes -------White---Paterson Bench: Gobern, McLaggon, Forecast, Hatch, Lancashire, Smith (yes I rate Smith - I know that's a controversial view) I think you're underestimating League 1 to be honest. We need 90 points, that means winning well over half the matches. We ain't going to do that with Perry,Wotton and a strike force like that.Those guys are completely inapt for the job. We need 2 strikers who score bagfuls of goals and that ain't White and Patterson/ Leicester have scored 81 goals in45 games, Peterborough 76, can you honestly tell me that White and Patterson is a 55+ goal strike partnership? I don't think so to be honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Bates Posted 27 April, 2009 Share Posted 27 April, 2009 Surman can go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy_Porter Posted 27 April, 2009 Share Posted 27 April, 2009 (edited) Keep Perry, Davis, James, Holmes and Gillett from the first team squad. Youngsyers like Mills, Paterson, Gobern, McLaggon etc can all stay as well. The likes of Surman, Saga, Skacel, Lallana, Morgan S, McGoldrick, Molyneux, Forecast, Pulis, Dyer, Rasiak, Euell, BWP and Wotton etc We need a frest start and somewhere build from get rid of all of those and spend the money on experienced L1/L2 players and build from there. Make Gillett or Perry Captain and just hope we can make some good transfers rather than bring in ****e like we done in the last close season. From that group of players we'd have a base of Davis James Perry Lancashire Mills Thomson Gillett Gobern Holmes McLaggon Paterson Not a great side at all but with the right sort of players bought in I think we could survive in league one with the points deduction, sadly I think next season the best we can hope for will be a mid table finish, anyone expecting anything more is going to be disappoined. Still it should be a 100x better than the ****e we've put up with this season. Edited 27 April, 2009 by Andy_Porter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy_Porter Posted 27 April, 2009 Share Posted 27 April, 2009 Schneiderlin will go to Arsenal's reserves or some other premiership team. Please tell me you're joking? He's terrible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 27 April, 2009 Share Posted 27 April, 2009 could see DMG get hatful next season - give him experienced lump of CF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
team-saint Posted 27 April, 2009 Share Posted 27 April, 2009 could see DMG get hatful next season - give him experienced lump of CF No he's not but he has certainly suffered from a drop in form since christmas. We were all raving about him at the start of the season and he is a brilliant passer of the ball he's just a bit too french at the moment because he hasn't quite adapted to english football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
team-saint Posted 27 April, 2009 Share Posted 27 April, 2009 No he's not but he has certainly suffered from a drop in form since christmas. We were all raving about him at the start of the season and he is a brilliant passer of the ball he's just a bit too french at the moment because he hasn't quite adapted to english football. sorry meant to quote this to post above - about morgan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 27 April, 2009 Share Posted 27 April, 2009 I was getting confused! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidthesquid Posted 27 April, 2009 Share Posted 27 April, 2009 If we can retain some of this year's squad we will do well. Lads like James, Gillett & McG are now experienced enough to play all season. Saeijs & Perry at the back, Wotton plus a coulpe of steady old pros (Matt Oakley & Steve Howard from Leicester, I wish) & another experienced keeper assuming KD goes would give us would give us a good base to rotate the talented youngsters - and Thompson, Mills, White, MacLaggon, Paterson, Gobern etc are talented - around. Even assuming Surman & Lallana go, that will be a fair team for League 1. And the £10k/week crew can go and see if anyone else thinks they are worth it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 27 April, 2009 Share Posted 27 April, 2009 Assuming Davis moves on (and who would blame him) then the GKs would presumably be Forecast and Poke. I thought Michael was back with us but see he came on as a sub for Torquay (when Scott Bevan was injured) against Barrow in midweek and played the full match for the Gulls against Burton on Sunday. Hopefully he has 3 more games this season. Of the rest I would like to see James, Perry and Gillett stay, and possibly Holmes. Not bothered about anyone else I'm afraid though some of the younger players will be useful backup in the squad - McLaggon for instance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haddock22 Posted 27 April, 2009 Share Posted 27 April, 2009 bwp can disappear as hes never performed and ill be amazed at any club that takes him on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy_Porter Posted 27 April, 2009 Share Posted 27 April, 2009 No he's not but he has certainly suffered from a drop in form since christmas. We were all raving about him at the start of the season and he is a brilliant passer of the ball he's just a bit too french at the moment because he hasn't quite adapted to english football. He hasn't adapted at all. I mean fairplay he can pass a ball but that's literally all he can do and he doesn't do it at the end of the pitch where a pass can get you a goal. He looked good at the start of the season when we had proper wingers who he could launch the ball to and Gillett next to him doing all the running and tackling. To get the best or even a decent game out of Schneiderlin we basically need to build the whole midfield around him and he's no way near good enough to do that. Next season i'd rather see a Gillett/Wotton midfield partnership there's no point ****ing around with lightweights like Surman, Lallana or Schneiderlin in the middle against a League one side, they are far more physical and we'd just get destroyed in midfield. We need a strong physical spine to the team we won't get that with Morgan there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Ron fan Posted 27 April, 2009 Share Posted 27 April, 2009 RE Saejis and Davis you are insane! No he's not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SFC Forever Posted 27 April, 2009 Share Posted 27 April, 2009 We have just spent a season watching the kids get battered by the opposition. League 1 will be more physical still with a bit less skill. this must mean we need a big strong CB, a good ball winning midfielder to share the role with Gillett and a big strong CF to help DMG. Muscle is a must. Spiderman has to go because he shuns full on tackles and will get trampled on. Lallana is too lightweight so I hope that he can be sold. James has progressed well after a dire start to the campaign. I would also give him a chance in his favourite place. That means we need a regular right back as well Now the season is done and dusted, more or less, I feel quite hopeful about our prospects for next season. There again we always feel that way when a season is about to start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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