miserableoldgit Posted 3 May, 2009 Share Posted 3 May, 2009 After all the furore on here does anyone know if Lowe was actually at the Forest game today?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted 3 May, 2009 Share Posted 3 May, 2009 Pretty sure he was. I was quite far away from the directors box, but a few people around me claimed to have identified him (Hard to pick out his mug when it's surrounded by bright red shirts). Anyway, we let him know he wasn't welcome. Swing Lowe and various other songs, the big orange "Duck off" banner and a couple of posters were drifting around too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
washsaint Posted 3 May, 2009 Share Posted 3 May, 2009 Pathetic.........our club is on the verge of going under and all some of you small-minded, petty individuals care about is Lowe. Yes Lowe was part of the reason we are where we are right now but don't forget people like Wilde, Hone, Hoos, Dulieu, Crouch and others all played their part. Still don't let facts get in the way of your petty, pathetic vendettas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miserableoldgit Posted 3 May, 2009 Author Share Posted 3 May, 2009 Pretty sure he was. I was quite far away from the directors box, but a few people around me claimed to have identified him (Hard to pick out his mug when it's surrounded by bright red shirts). Anyway, we let him know he wasn't welcome. Swing Lowe and various other songs, the big orange "Duck off" banner and a couple of posters were drifting around too. I am sure he got the message. He is a very sensitive and perceptive person. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 3 May, 2009 Share Posted 3 May, 2009 Pathetic.........our club is on the verge of going under and all some of you small-minded, petty individuals care about is Lowe. Yes Lowe was part of the reason we are where we are right now but don't forget people like Wilde, Hone, Hoos, Dulieu, Crouch and others all played their part. Still don't let facts get in the way of your petty, pathetic vendettas. Calm down, dear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wopper Posted 3 May, 2009 Share Posted 3 May, 2009 Pathetic.........our club is on the verge of going under and all some of you small-minded, petty individuals care about is Lowe. Yes Lowe was part of the reason we are where we are right now but don't forget people like Wilde, Hone, Hoos, Dulieu, Crouch and others all played their part. Still don't let facts get in the way of your petty, pathetic vendettas. The toffy nosed joker is just as bad as the rest of us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 3 May, 2009 Share Posted 3 May, 2009 I bet he there filling his face and complimenting them on their catering. I hope he gets salmonella poisoning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wild-saint Posted 3 May, 2009 Share Posted 3 May, 2009 Defo there i got'a photo of him in directors box although in the distance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 3 May, 2009 Share Posted 3 May, 2009 Pathetic.........our club is on the verge of going under and all some of you small-minded, petty individuals care about is Lowe. Yes Lowe was part of the reason we are where we are right now but don't forget people like Wilde, Hone, Hoos, Dulieu, Crouch and others all played their part. Still don't let facts get in the way of your petty, pathetic vendettas. Still, it's good he got the message tho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted 3 May, 2009 Share Posted 3 May, 2009 Pathetic.........our club is on the verge of going under and all some of you small-minded, petty individuals care about is Lowe. Yes Lowe was part of the reason we are where we are right now but don't forget people like Wilde, Hone, Hoos, Dulieu, Crouch and others all played their part. Still don't let facts get in the way of your petty, pathetic vendettas. Maybe so, but Lowe has been the single biggest reason for our decline over the last 5 years, and is the one looking most likely to carry on in the future. IMO it was vital to let Lowe know he wasn't welcome, even if he wont listen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 3 May, 2009 Share Posted 3 May, 2009 Pathetic.........our club is on the verge of going under and all some of you small-minded, petty individuals care about is Lowe. Yes Lowe was part of the reason we are where we are right now but don't forget people like Wilde, Hone, Hoos, Dulieu, Crouch and others all played their part. Still don't let facts get in the way of your petty, pathetic vendettas. I know Rupert very well and for your information..trust me.. he is very pathetic.:smt117 As for his petty and pathetic vendetta against the Saints all these years...A lot of similarities to your vendetta against the many wonderful posters on this forum[-X Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miserableoldgit Posted 3 May, 2009 Author Share Posted 3 May, 2009 Pathetic.........our club is on the verge of going under and all some of you small-minded, petty individuals care about is Lowe. Yes Lowe was part of the reason we are where we are right now but don't forget people like Wilde, Hone, Hoos, Dulieu, Crouch and others all played their part. Still don't let facts get in the way of your petty, pathetic vendettas. I just asked a question based on another thread, but as it is that important to you - carry on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineteen Canteen Posted 3 May, 2009 Share Posted 3 May, 2009 I know Rupert very well and for your information..trust me.. he is very pathetic.:smt117 As for his petty and pathetic vendetta against the Saints all these years...A lot of similarities to your vendetta against the many wonderful posters on this forum[-X Ottery you say you know him well but clearly you are the one with your personal vendetta. Was he rude to you as well in the demanding and cutthroat world of managing businesses in football and finance. Nevermind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toomer Posted 3 May, 2009 Share Posted 3 May, 2009 Ottery you say you know him well but clearly you are the one with your personal vendetta. Was he rude to you as well in the demanding and cutthroat world of managing businesses in football and finance. Nevermind. With his recent record Lowe could not manage a good sh!t, correction he is full of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pilsburydoughboy Posted 3 May, 2009 Share Posted 3 May, 2009 I bet he there filling his face and complimenting them on their catering. I hope he gets salmonella poisoning. Please be Swine Flu. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 3 May, 2009 Share Posted 3 May, 2009 Pathetic.........our club is on the verge of going under and all some of you small-minded, petty individuals care about is Lowe. Yes Lowe was part of the reason we are where we are right now but don't forget people like Wilde, Hone, Hoos, Dulieu, Crouch and others all played their part. Still don't let facts get in the way of your petty, pathetic vendettas. They were all products or effects of Lowe's cancerous hold on our club. I hope Lowe is forced into bankruptcy from his other disastrous financial ventures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 3 May, 2009 Share Posted 3 May, 2009 Ottery you say you know him well but clearly you are the one with your personal vendetta. Was he rude to you as well in the demanding and cutthroat world of managing businesses in football and finance. Nevermind. Rupert is RUDE period:mad: I eat very poor financial businessman for breakfast....Would not waste my time on even considering whether or not Rupes has ever managed in the business of football....We all know the result there. As for your continued vendetta against the football experts on this forum[-X As you know I have never considered you in the same troupe of Ruperts leotard wearing Luvvies..... You Sir, are more of a HAM:smt117 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan The Flames Posted 3 May, 2009 Share Posted 3 May, 2009 Pathetic.........our club is on the verge of going under and all some of you small-minded, petty individuals care about is Lowe. Yes Lowe was part of the reason we are where we are right now but don't forget people like Wilde, Hone, Hoos, Dulieu, Crouch and others all played their part. Still don't let facts get in the way of your petty, pathetic vendettas. Caring about the future of the club and believing that Lowe was instrumental in its down fall are not mutually exclusive you know. You can love and hate at the same time. It does make me laugh that to hate the man that has almost ruined our club is classed as petty and to be cross at his appearance today is small minded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 3 May, 2009 Share Posted 3 May, 2009 Please be Swine Flu. Knowing Lowe it wouldn't be a fatal dose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMike Posted 3 May, 2009 Share Posted 3 May, 2009 Pathetic.........our club is on the verge of going under and all some of you small-minded, petty individuals care about is Lowe. Yes Lowe was part of the reason we are where we are right now but don't forget people like Wilde, Hone, Hoos, Dulieu, Crouch and others all played their part. Still don't let facts get in the way of your petty, pathetic vendettas. shut up rupert Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pilsburydoughboy Posted 3 May, 2009 Share Posted 3 May, 2009 Ottery you say you know him well but clearly you are the one with your personal vendetta. Was he rude to you as well in the demanding and cutthroat world of managing businesses in football and finance. Nevermind. The mistake you made was putting Lowe Football and Management in the same sentence. That ruddy faced **** should be shot for what he has done to SFC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineteen Canteen Posted 3 May, 2009 Share Posted 3 May, 2009 They were all products or effects of Lowe's cancerous hold on our club. I hope Lowe is forced into bankruptcy from his other disastrous financial ventures. EP used the term cancerous probably ok to use it for Lowe as many on here operate on double standards. IMO, I think Crouch and McMenemy have acted in a far more cancerous way as they operate in a far more insidious fashion, convincing us they are good for the club when IMO exactly the opposite is the case and yet they seem impervious to diagnosis, a true cancer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miserableoldgit Posted 3 May, 2009 Author Share Posted 3 May, 2009 Knowing Lowe it wouldn't be a fatal dose. Maybe for the pig? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miserableoldgit Posted 3 May, 2009 Author Share Posted 3 May, 2009 EP used the term cancerous probably ok to use it for Lowe as many on here operate on double standards. IMO, I think Crouch and McMenemy have acted in a far more cancerous way as they operate in a far more insidious fashion, convincing us they are good for the club when IMO exactly the opposite is the case and yet they seem impervious to diagnosis, a true cancer. In the same way as Vinnie Jones likes to live up to the hardman image, you seem to want to live to your deliberately antagonistic one. If you genuinely think that LM and LC have done more damage to the club than RL and MW, then you also are trying too hard. They all have to take a proportion of the blame for our demise but I think that the latter pair take the majority. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 3 May, 2009 Share Posted 3 May, 2009 EP used the term cancerous probably ok to use it for Lowe as many on here operate on double standards. IMO, I think Crouch and McMenemy have acted in a far more cancerous way as they operate in a far more insidious fashion, convincing us they are good for the club when IMO exactly the opposite is the case and yet they seem impervious to diagnosis, a true cancer. Well you can think that but thousands more of us dont 19. Sorry but regardless of anything else Lawrie Mac and Crouch didnt appoint Wotte and JP and have a club policy INSISTING on playing youth whilst paying and sidelining experience. THAT is incompetence. THAT is the reason we are in League 1 heading for League 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintofme Posted 3 May, 2009 Share Posted 3 May, 2009 Oh so sorry Rupert no one meant to hurt your feelings Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRichmond Posted 3 May, 2009 Share Posted 3 May, 2009 Pathetic.........our club is on the verge of going under and all some of you small-minded, petty individuals care about is Lowe. Yes Lowe was part of the reason we are where we are right now but don't forget people like Wilde, Hone, Hoos, Dulieu, Crouch and others all played their part. Still don't let facts get in the way of your petty, pathetic vendettas. OK, I agree Wilde, Hone,Hoos, Dulieu, Crouch and others have all played their part in Saints Downfall ......... .... but you must agree surely ..... the other 99.9% WAS down to Lowe's crazy policies ...... ie Pearson, Going with Youth, selling/ loaning Goalscorers, Total Football, Edam & Gouder etc etc Don't let the FACTS get in the way of you forming an unbiased opinion eh ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 3 May, 2009 Share Posted 3 May, 2009 Defo there i got'a photo of him in directors box although in the distance Aha! http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=12846 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
washsaint Posted 3 May, 2009 Share Posted 3 May, 2009 Richmond.....was it Lowe that took over the club promising investment that never materialised? Was it him who sanctioned spending 7 million we did not have? And don't forget, any manager would have struggled this year.....even the mighty Pearson. lets face it, he kept us up by the skin of our teeth last season with a far superior squad to this time round. Still...as you say, 99.99% is down to him...................... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 3 May, 2009 Share Posted 3 May, 2009 (edited) Richmond.....was it Lowe that took over the club promising investment Well... yes it was, really. When the original reverse takeover occured it was on the premise of ensuring Saints had the funds to compete with the big boys. Clearly that was either a lie or misconceived. that never materialised? Was it him who sanctioned spending 7 million we did not have? I don't know: he made the first "big money" signing of the Burley era (on a long term contract) and was ranting on about a "£5m warchest" when he was deposed. Let's also not forget that the directors who inherited this "warchest" did manage to bring an offer of investment to the table but were given short shrift and treated pathetically by all three major shareholders. And don't forget, any manager would have struggled this year I don't agree - you just have to look at some of the rubbish higher up the league. Look at Preston; rubbish. .....even the mighty Pearson. lets face it, he kept us up by the skin of our teeth last season with a far superior squad to this time round. Still...as you say, 99.99% is down to him...................... It is indeed. Terrible managerial appointments. Money wasted on useless signings. Interference with the football operations. Completely mismanaging the relationship with the creditors. Needlessly hamstringing next season already.... Still, it's nice to have an alternative viewpoint. Edited 3 May, 2009 by benjii Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micky Posted 3 May, 2009 Share Posted 3 May, 2009 Well you can think that but thousands more of us dont 19. Sorry but regardless of anything else Lawrie Mac and Crouch didnt appoint Wotte and JP and have a club policy INSISTING on playing youth whilst paying and sidelining experience. THAT is incompetence. THAT is the reason we are in League 1 heading for League 2. That may be the case - but I seem to remember quite a few fans / posters on here pre, and early season saying that the kids would be good enough to get us promoted, to the play-offs at least, comfortably mid-table, etc, etc. It was always going to be a gamble, when you gamble there is always the chance that you will lose - just like we did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRichmond Posted 3 May, 2009 Share Posted 3 May, 2009 Richmond.....was it Lowe that took over the club promising investment that never materialised? Was it him who sanctioned spending 7 million we did not have? And don't forget, any manager would have struggled this year.....even the mighty Pearson. lets face it, he kept us up by the skin of our teeth last season with a far superior squad to this time round. Still...as you say, 99.99% is down to him...................... Lowe had a much better record than that As a HEAD of a Business, in circa 12 + years at the Club, Lowe did not contribute, or attract £1 of Investment A lot of Businessess go to the wall if they fail to attract new monies ...... oh yes, exactly what Lowe did Ironic that you say any Manager would have struggled this year .... I agree ... thanks to Lowe's CRAZY Policies, there was hardly anything left to work with Did you not notice that Total Football, and playing with Youth suddenly changed when Poortvliet was sacked by Lowe ...... Too late .... the damage had already been done Forget my mentioning Pearson ..... just look at the Division 1 Table ...... LEICESTER ARE CHAMPIONS FFS .........with a Chairman that expects results, but BACKS up his Manager with the ADDITION of a few decent players ........ NOT the mass exodus instigated by Lowe, of anyone who could kick a ball If you think that Lowe is not massively at fault, then you must be Lowe, or a family member Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 3 May, 2009 Share Posted 3 May, 2009 That may be the case - but I seem to remember quite a few fans / posters on here pre, and early season saying that the kids would be good enough to get us promoted, to the play-offs at least, comfortably mid-table, etc, etc. It was always going to be a gamble, when you gamble there is always the chance that you will lose - just like we did. Not this fan Micky. I predicted this as soon as Lowe returned and the only thing I got wrong was not finishing bottom (although technically with minus 10 points he have). It was more than a gamble - it was gross negligence and fantasist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 3 May, 2009 Share Posted 3 May, 2009 Lowe's eptiaph for me is "he couldn't even get Saints going into administration right" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 3 May, 2009 Share Posted 3 May, 2009 Lowe's epitaph for me is 'Sacked by people with financial acumen'. ... Still loving the irony. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_ed Posted 3 May, 2009 Share Posted 3 May, 2009 Please be Swine Flu. Salmonella is far worse than Swine Flu. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micky Posted 3 May, 2009 Share Posted 3 May, 2009 Not this fan Micky. I predicted this as soon as Lowe returned and the only thing I got wrong was not finishing bottom (although technically with minus 10 points he have). It was more than a gamble - it was gross negligence and fantasist. That aside, the fact remains that the policy of playing youth players was not a hidden agenda - it was widely publicised, and many fans thought that it would bear fruits. Rupert Lowe is responsible for many ills of this club, but in the early days of this youth experiment many thought that it would work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pilsburydoughboy Posted 3 May, 2009 Share Posted 3 May, 2009 Richmond.....was it Lowe that took over the club promising investment that never materialised? Was it him who sanctioned spending 7 million we did not have? And don't forget, any manager would have struggled this year.....even the mighty Pearson. lets face it, he kept us up by the skin of our teeth last season with a far superior squad to this time round. Still...as you say, 99.99% is down to him...................... Was it Lowe that sanctioned the sale of any valuable players.Yes right the way back to Dean Richards.If a player increased in value Lowe would push to sell.What ever happened to all the cash.Lowe has always sold any player of value to line his own and his hangers ons pockets. Pearson took over an unfit non motivated squad who had been led by Lowes ****ed up crony all season.FFS we signed II for good cash. Far superior squad yes but had been left to go to ruin by that scottish **** and the ruddy faced **** . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRichmond Posted 3 May, 2009 Share Posted 3 May, 2009 Salmonella is far worse than Swine Flu. That's right .... one Book, and all the Ayatuloh's put him on their hit list .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 3 May, 2009 Share Posted 3 May, 2009 Lowe's eptiaph for me is "he couldn't even get Saints going into administration right" Agree, missing the deadline by a matter of days is probably the worst mistake he has made. I still think he must have done it out of spite, no one has yet offered a rational reason why he would put us into admin just a few days after the deadline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Posted 3 May, 2009 Share Posted 3 May, 2009 Richmond.....was it Lowe that took over the club promising investment that never materialised? Was it him who sanctioned spending 7 million we did not have? And don't forget, any manager would have struggled this year.....even the mighty Pearson. lets face it, he kept us up by the skin of our teeth last season with a far superior squad to this time round. Still...as you say, 99.99% is down to him...................... How much is down to him, after the whole shambolic, vitriolic, incompetent wreckage of the season just ended? ‘Quite a lot’ would be an understatement. I think we’re entitled to measure him on his own claim, and those like Sundance Beast/Nineteen Canteen, who made the claim for him on here last August about “Rupert and Co to getting on with the job of rescuing the club.” And I’m sorry if you feel bad about people blaming Lowe – but the real inquest into the last disastrous year hasn’t even begun yet. Look where we are. The team has just handed us the worst season’s performance in the club’s 125-year history. By far! In the boardroom, The Lowe era has ended with the ultimate poison pill: the holding company in administration, unable even to pay the Inland Revenue (which may yet help drive the club out of existence), and a ten-point penalty carried over into next season. I know we’re all prone to bouts of optimism – as I was at the beginning of this season – but let’s not kid ourselves: assuming we make it to the starting blocks next season, the penalty ensures that if we make the tiniest mistake, let alone the catalogue of ridiculous decisions that have just passed, we could sail straight into League Two. Frankly, the Football League should seriously think about coming up with a point-BONUS scheme – in which any club having to endure being led by such demonstrably appalling characters should have ten points added before the start of the season. The Lowe disaster should also be a lesson to the Football League – it needs to come up with ways to ban people like him ever running a football club again. (The idea that he might still be sniffing around the club is actually shocking.) The inquest into Lowe and his cronies will only really get going when people on the inside of the club start to talk about what was really happening over the last twelve months. And based on previous experience, I suspect the reality will easily outdo the worst anyone could have made up on here. We’ve yet to understand the full extent of the deceit and spin that surrounded the ‘sacking’ of Nigel Pearson. And we certainly still don’t have a clear idea of how it was possible that Lowe could railroad Wilde into signing up to such a profoundly risky venture that the utterly bonkers ‘Dutch revolution’ was recognised to be well before the start of the season. We’ll get to find out the details of how the Dutch comedians came to the club, and the extent of the damage they did, particularly to young players’ morale. We’ve yet to get first-hand accounts of the tactical chaos that swamped the Poortvliet part of the season, and the evident determination of Wotte to repeat those mistakes. And the consequences of the fact that, unknown to almost all of us, the two were evidently at each other’s throats pretty much from the off. We’ve yet to get an adequate explanation for the player-buying policies – how on earth we ended up with Gasmi, Pulis, Forecast, et al., players we neither needed nor could afford. (All we’ve got so far is wide-eyed incredulity – but surely Lowe had to justify his crazy decisions to SOMEONE.) And not just that – what was the thinking (in the loosest sense of the word, I suspect) behind splashing a seven-figure sum on a young player in the process of slowly sinking on the French leagues…and where the hell did the money come from? Then there’s the flip-side of the coin: how exactly a number of senior players were frozen out, and may even have received threats (along the lines of: You’ll never play for Saints again…), as the Lowe/Wilde regime evidently sought to impose their ‘revolutionary’ will on the first team. (And to what extent this too eroded morale within the club). We may even get to hear about the full contents and author of the infamous ‘peace-in-our-time’ letter that Lowe waved at the AGM – or even that it was a fabrication. But more importantly, why, with the first team in freefall, was no serious action taken around the time of the AGM to arrest the awful decline of the first team, either with a new manager and/or loanees. I also suspect there’s more to the relationship between Lowe and Wilde than has come out so far – because however you look at it, it’s an alliance that has never made any sense. As Wilde nurses his pile of worthless shares, does he still think he did the right thing? He should have the guts and moral sense to tell us. All of this and much more needs to be well understood by all of us, because we all have a stake in this club – especially now that we’re by far the main source of income for the club, should it make it through to next season. As Karl Marx once said: ‘Those who fail to learn from history are condemned to repeat it.’ Actually we’ve already just done that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 3 May, 2009 Share Posted 3 May, 2009 Still...as you say, 99.99% is down to him...................... Glad that you finally see that Rupert. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alain Perrin Posted 3 May, 2009 Share Posted 3 May, 2009 Perhaps Lowe's biggest mistake was not putting the holding company into administration when we were relegated to the Championship? When we had the Radio Station, Saints Insurance Services and our award winning catering (which means the hospitality, weddings etc., not the pies), there would have been far better grounds for arguing the different legal entities were not 'intrinsically related' or whatever term the Football League used. Ironic that the things most derided might have saved us a minus -10 points. End of the day though it is the players on the pitch that matter and today shows we can't hold onto a lead and don't deserve to be in the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eurosaint Posted 3 May, 2009 Share Posted 3 May, 2009 Defo there i got'a photo of him in directors box although in the distance Could you please post this picture as nobody else seems to be sure that he was actually there ! The thread has disintegrated into the usual 'we hate Rupert' stuff when the original question was " was he there" ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InvictaSaint Posted 3 May, 2009 Share Posted 3 May, 2009 Richmond.....was it Lowe that took over the club promising investment that never materialised? Was it him who sanctioned spending 7 million we did not have? And don't forget, any manager would have struggled this year.....even the mighty Pearson. lets face it, he kept us up by the skin of our teeth last season with a far superior squad to this time round. Still...as you say, 99.99% is down to him...................... No, Lowe spent almost 12 years at the helm and achieved the square root of **** all in terms of attracting inward investment. Lucky he didn't promise he would, eh? Now, that would have made him look REALLY stupid..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 3 May, 2009 Share Posted 3 May, 2009 I also suspect there’s more to the relationship between Lowe and Wilde than has come out so far – because however you look at it, it’s an alliance that has never made any sense. As Wilde nurses his pile of worthless shares, does he still think he did the right thing? He should have the guts and moral sense to tell us. This is the most intriguing question for me also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 3 May, 2009 Share Posted 3 May, 2009 (edited) How much is down to him, after the whole shambolic, vitriolic, incompetent wreckage of the season just ended? ‘Quite a lot’ would be an understatement. I think we’re entitled to measure him on his own claim, and those like Sundance Beast/Nineteen Canteen, who made the claim for him on here last August about “Rupert and Co to getting on with the job of rescuing the club.” And I’m sorry if you feel bad about people blaming Lowe – but the real inquest into the last disastrous year hasn’t even begun yet. Look where we are. The team has just handed us the worst season’s performance in the club’s 125-year history. By far! In the boardroom, The Lowe era has ended with the ultimate poison pill: the holding company in administration, unable even to pay the Inland Revenue (which may yet help drive the club out of existence), and a ten-point penalty carried over into next season. I know we’re all prone to bouts of optimism – as I was at the beginning of this season – but let’s not kid ourselves: assuming we make it to the starting blocks next season, the penalty ensures that if we make the tiniest mistake, let alone the catalogue of ridiculous decisions that have just passed, we could sail straight into League Two. Frankly, the Football League should seriously think about coming up with a point-BONUS scheme – in which any club having to endure being led by such demonstrably appalling characters should have ten points added before the start of the season. The Lowe disaster should also be a lesson to the Football League – it needs to come up with ways to ban people like him ever running a football club again. (The idea that he might still be sniffing around the club is actually shocking.) The inquest into Lowe and his cronies will only really get going when people on the inside of the club start to talk about what was really happening over the last twelve months. And based on previous experience, I suspect the reality will easily outdo the worst anyone could have made up on here. We’ve yet to understand the full extent of the deceit and spin that surrounded the ‘sacking’ of Nigel Pearson. And we certainly still don’t have a clear idea of how it was possible that Lowe could railroad Wilde into signing up to such a profoundly risky venture that the utterly bonkers ‘Dutch revolution’ was recognised to be well before the start of the season. We’ll get to find out the details of how the Dutch comedians came to the club, and the extent of the damage they did, particularly to young players’ morale. We’ve yet to get first-hand accounts of the tactical chaos that swamped the Poortvliet part of the season, and the evident determination of Wotte to repeat those mistakes. And the consequences of the fact that, unknown to almost all of us, the two were evidently at each other’s throats pretty much from the off. We’ve yet to get an adequate explanation for the player-buying policies – how on earth we ended up with Gasmi, Pulis, Forecast, et al., players we neither needed nor could afford. (All we’ve got so far is wide-eyed incredulity – but surely Lowe had to justify his crazy decisions to SOMEONE.) And not just that – what was the thinking (in the loosest sense of the word, I suspect) behind splashing a seven-figure sum on a young player in the process of slowly sinking on the French leagues…and where the hell did the money come from? Then there’s the flip-side of the coin: how exactly a number of senior players were frozen out, and may even have received threats (along the lines of: You’ll never play for Saints again…), as the Lowe/Wilde regime evidently sought to impose their ‘revolutionary’ will on the first team. (And to what extent this too eroded morale within the club). We may even get to hear about the full contents and author of the infamous ‘peace-in-our-time’ letter that Lowe waved at the AGM – or even that it was a fabrication. But more importantly, why, with the first team in freefall, was no serious action taken around the time of the AGM to arrest the awful decline of the first team, either with a new manager and/or loanees. I also suspect there’s more to the relationship between Lowe and Wilde than has come out so far – because however you look at it, it’s an alliance that has never made any sense. As Wilde nurses his pile of worthless shares, does he still think he did the right thing? He should have the guts and moral sense to tell us. All of this and much more needs to be well understood by all of us, because we all have a stake in this club – especially now that we’re by far the main source of income for the club, should it make it through to next season. As Karl Marx once said: ‘Those who fail to learn from history are condemned to repeat it.’ Actually we’ve already just done that! I think this is so accurate ..Excellent work:) Edited 3 May, 2009 by ottery st mary spellin copying 19 too often Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastleighSoulBoy Posted 3 May, 2009 Share Posted 3 May, 2009 EP used the term cancerous probably ok to use it for Lowe as many on here operate on double standards. IMO, I think Crouch and McMenemy have acted in a far more cancerous way as they operate in a far more insidious fashion, convincing us they are good for the club when IMO exactly the opposite is the case and yet they seem impervious to diagnosis, a true cancer. And you were doing so well! The Doc did tell you to complete the course of medication Jon? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 3 May, 2009 Share Posted 3 May, 2009 How much is down to him, after the whole shambolic, vitriolic, incompetent wreckage of the season just ended? ‘Quite a lot’ would be an understatement. I think we’re entitled to measure him on his own claim, and those like Sundance Beast/Nineteen Canteen, who made the claim for him on here last August about “Rupert and Co to getting on with the job of rescuing the club.” And I’m sorry if you feel bad about people blaming Lowe – but the real inquest into the last disastrous year hasn’t even begun yet. Look where we are. The team has just handed us the worst season’s performance in the club’s 125-year history. By far! In the boardroom, The Lowe era has ended with the ultimate poison pill: the holding company in administration, unable even to pay the Inland Revenue (which may yet help drive the club out of existence), and a ten-point penalty carried over into next season. I know we’re all prone to bouts of optimism – as I was at the beginning of this season – but let’s not kid ourselves: assuming we make it to the starting blocks next season, the penalty ensures that if we make the tiniest mistake, let alone the catalogue of ridiculous decisions that have just passed, we could sail straight into League Two. Frankly, the Football League should seriously think about coming up with a point-BONUS scheme – in which any club having to endure being led by such demonstrably appalling characters should have ten points added before the start of the season. The Lowe disaster should also be a lesson to the Football League – it needs to come up with ways to ban people like him ever running a football club again. (The idea that he might still be sniffing around the club is actually shocking.) The inquest into Lowe and his cronies will only really get going when people on the inside of the club start to talk about what was really happening over the last twelve months. And based on previous experience, I suspect the reality will easily outdo the worst anyone could have made up on here. We’ve yet to understand the full extent of the deceit and spin that surrounded the ‘sacking’ of Nigel Pearson. And we certainly still don’t have a clear idea of how it was possible that Lowe could railroad Wilde into signing up to such a profoundly risky venture that the utterly bonkers ‘Dutch revolution’ was recognised to be well before the start of the season. We’ll get to find out the details of how the Dutch comedians came to the club, and the extent of the damage they did, particularly to young players’ morale. We’ve yet to get first-hand accounts of the tactical chaos that swamped the Poortvliet part of the season, and the evident determination of Wotte to repeat those mistakes. And the consequences of the fact that, unknown to almost all of us, the two were evidently at each other’s throats pretty much from the off. We’ve yet to get an adequate explanation for the player-buying policies – how on earth we ended up with Gasmi, Pulis, Forecast, et al., players we neither needed nor could afford. (All we’ve got so far is wide-eyed incredulity – but surely Lowe had to justify his crazy decisions to SOMEONE.) And not just that – what was the thinking (in the loosest sense of the word, I suspect) behind splashing a seven-figure sum on a young player in the process of slowly sinking on the French leagues…and where the hell did the money come from? Then there’s the flip-side of the coin: how exactly a number of senior players were frozen out, and may even have received threats (along the lines of: You’ll never play for Saints again…), as the Lowe/Wilde regime evidently sought to impose their ‘revolutionary’ will on the first team. (And to what extent this too eroded morale within the club). We may even get to hear about the full contents and author of the infamous ‘peace-in-our-time’ letter that Lowe waved at the AGM – or even that it was a fabrication. But more importantly, why, with the first team in freefall, was no serious action taken around the time of the AGM to arrest the awful decline of the first team, either with a new manager and/or loanees. I also suspect there’s more to the relationship between Lowe and Wilde than has come out so far – because however you look at it, it’s an alliance that has never made any sense. As Wilde nurses his pile of worthless shares, does he still think he did the right thing? He should have the guts and moral sense to tell us. All of this and much more needs to be well understood by all of us, because we all have a stake in this club – especially now that we’re by far the main source of income for the club, should it make it through to next season. As Karl Marx once said: ‘Those who fail to learn from history are condemned to repeat it.’ Actually we’ve already just done that! A really quality post that asks many pertinent questions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint63 Posted 3 May, 2009 Share Posted 3 May, 2009 A beautifully written piece which demands that those with knowledge and/or responsibility bring out the facts behind the decisions. Without being patronising to you- thanks and well done Verbal. Do you know more than you let on....? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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