Pilchards Posted 10 June, 2009 Share Posted 10 June, 2009 (edited) How would you see a five year plan to get us back in the premiership to stay there as I saw that remark by Paul (Tony after being corrected) Lyham. I see this season being one of survival as I can't see them over spending on better players as the wage bill will put us in the red slowly again. Next year a push for promotion and then a rollercoaster to the promised land with a few high paid players like Zamoura, Harewood on the way. Can it be done any other way? Edited 10 June, 2009 by Pilchards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 10 June, 2009 Share Posted 10 June, 2009 How would you see a five year plan to get us back in the premiership to stay there as I saw that remark by Paul Lyham. I see this season being one of survival as I can't see them over spending on better players as the wage bill will put us in the red slowly again. Next year a push for promotion and then a rollercoaster to the promised land with a few high paid players like Zamoura, Harewood on the way. Can it be done any other way? Paul Lyham? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INFLUENCED.COM Posted 10 June, 2009 Share Posted 10 June, 2009 Firstly I would like to get through the next 5 days. After that pretty much the same as you, however, once back in the Championship will have to be mindful of the strength of the teams that will have recently been relegated, that said some probably thought that of us and Charlton etc...TONY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dicko Posted 10 June, 2009 Share Posted 10 June, 2009 I'm always sceptical when clubs talk about 5 year plans. Invariably, after a dodgy 2 months they sack the manager and are back to square 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teamsaint Posted 10 June, 2009 Share Posted 10 June, 2009 in a odd way the -10 may help . Most people are pretty realistic , and realise we are more likely than not to spend at least 2 years in L1, which perhaps gives us a chance to properly plan long term.We really DO need some planning and patience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 10 June, 2009 Share Posted 10 June, 2009 I see this season being one of survival as I can't see them over spending on better players as the wage bill will put us in the red slowly again. The optimist in me thinks we have a chance of reaching the play offs, and if so, then given our -10 start we would have to be one of the stonger sides in them (Leeds and MK Dons finsished quite a bit ahead of 6th placed Scunny, so we should be looking to emulate those two). If not, then I think we can't afford not to go up the following year if we are to make great strides in 5 years. Anymore than two seasons down here will be very hard work!!!! The problem is that after gaining promotion to the Championship, I think another promotion will be a huge ask. We'll be up against clubs falling out of the Premiership with decent parachute payments & decentish players(e.g. Newcastle), the yo yo teams who seem to have a grasp on what is needed to get promoted (e.g. West Brom & Birmingham) and a whole host of other teams performing well and/or backed by people. Five years to be back in the Premiership would be great, but I think it's a bloody big ask!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 10 June, 2009 Share Posted 10 June, 2009 New Saints owner posts Jason Mule his redundancy notice - "5 year plans are great" says tyrant . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ooohTerryHurlock Posted 10 June, 2009 Share Posted 10 June, 2009 The optimist in me thinks we have a chance of reaching the play offs, and if so, then given our -10 start we would have to be one of the stonger sides in them (Leeds and MK Dons finsished quite a bit ahead of 6th placed Scunny, so we should be looking to emulate those two). If not, then I think we can't afford not to go up the following year if we are to make great strides in 5 years. Anymore than two seasons down here will be very hard work!!!! The problem is that after gaining promotion to the Championship, I think another promotion will be a huge ask. We'll be up against clubs falling out of the Premiership with decent parachute payments & decentish players(e.g. Newcastle), the yo yo teams who seem to have a grasp on what is needed to get promoted (e.g. West Brom & Birmingham) and a whole host of other teams performing well and/or backed by people. Five years to be back in the Premiership would be great, but I think it's a bloody big ask!!!!! Well it needs a bloody big answer then!!! Other teams have achieved back to back promtions or two promotions in three seasons. Hull, Wolves and Fulham are examples of teams that went through the league season pretty rapidly. We need to have some belief for a start, coupled with hard graft and inspiration but firstly we need this bloody mess sorting and ASAP! Get the deal done and signed and kick on!! The saying goes .... what does n't defeat us, makes us stronger.... what has happened to this club won't defeat us so as Yazz says ... the only way is up!!!! How about that for a walk out tune!! or Dreams ... things can only get better! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordswoodsaints Posted 10 June, 2009 Share Posted 10 June, 2009 Anybody who says they have a five year plan really mean that they havnt got any money to spend to make it happen sooner. I didn't hear abramovich say he had a five year plan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doggface Posted 10 June, 2009 Share Posted 10 June, 2009 Abramovich did not start in league 1 on -10 points! Haha! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 10 June, 2009 Share Posted 10 June, 2009 Anyone talking about a five year plan to "Get back into the Premiership" is IMHO doomed to fail. The PLAN should be to return to and secure our place in the Premiership. There is a lot of difference. Getting there could be done with a small squad, motivated players and a good coach (ie Burnley). It is the planning to actually STAY there and be established ie not yoyoing that is the problem. To stay up needs a player and wages investment of getting on for 50 mil. Hull got away with it this year because of their good start and because Boro forgot that you have to score goals to win games and Newcastle just self imploded. Building a plan to get to the PL is good and achievable on a low budget with good management and luck, but to plan for one without being aware of the need for the risk of the other - ie buying PL quality players on PL level wages and long contracts is a really hard thing to do And needs around 50 million pounds WISELY spent at least Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilchards Posted 10 June, 2009 Author Share Posted 10 June, 2009 I believe his comments to be '5 year plan to be establised in the premiership' which suggest to me that he plans to reach it in 4 seasons. So it still remains 2 years in Div 1, 1 in the championship and then 2 in the premiership. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
broncoboy Posted 10 June, 2009 Share Posted 10 June, 2009 5 year plan as follows Play well, beat other teams, win more games than other teams Repeat for a further four years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedAndWhite91 Posted 10 June, 2009 Share Posted 10 June, 2009 Year 1 = Survive League One. Year 2 = Win League One. Year 3 = Win Championship. Year 4 = Europe. Year 5 = Premiership Champions. Too much optimism? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilchards Posted 10 June, 2009 Author Share Posted 10 June, 2009 Year 1 = Survive League One. Year 2 = Win League One. Year 3 = Win Championship. Year 4 = Europe. Year 5 = Premiership Champions. Too much optimism? Far too much optimism and it started with survive league one. ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkSFC Posted 10 June, 2009 Share Posted 10 June, 2009 Year 1 = Survive League One. Year 2 = Win League One. Year 3 = Win Championship. Year 4 = Europe. Year 5 = Premiership Champions. Too much optimism? Not enough!!! Year 1 WIN League One Year 2 WIN CCC Year 3 WIN Premiership and FA Cup Year 4 WIN CL, PR, FA Cup and League Cup Year 5 WHO CARES!!!! NOW THATS OPTIMISM FOR YOU!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsarum Posted 10 June, 2009 Share Posted 10 June, 2009 Paul Lyham? Could he be getting confused with Des Lynham who should be avaialble when Satanta go tits up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctoroncall Posted 10 June, 2009 Share Posted 10 June, 2009 The other factor to consider is losing good staff and players on the way up the league (lets see what happens to Swansea). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 10 June, 2009 Share Posted 10 June, 2009 Anyone talking about a five year plan to "Get back into the Premiership" is IMHO doomed to fail. The PLAN should be to return to and secure our place in the Premiership. There is a lot of difference. Getting there could be done with a small squad, motivated players and a good coach (ie Burnley). It is the planning to actually STAY there and be established ie not yoyoing that is the problem. To stay up needs a player and wages investment of getting on for 50 mil. Hull got away with it this year because of their good start and because Boro forgot that you have to score goals to win games and Newcastle just self imploded. Building a plan to get to the PL is good and achievable on a low budget with good management and luck, but to plan for one without being aware of the need for the risk of the other - ie buying PL quality players on PL level wages and long contracts is a really hard thing to do And needs around 50 million pounds WISELY spent at least I disagree, I think it is impossible to plan for your first season in the Prem until you are actually there, whatever the plan chances are we would be yoyoing anyway. Better to be yoyoing than hanging around in the in the Championship with a cunning plan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandwichsaint Posted 10 June, 2009 Share Posted 10 June, 2009 Get a decent manager Keep the players that want to stay, get rid of the want-aways, add to the squad with solid experienced lower-lge pro's Sell 20,000 STs at £200 a throw Get behind the new board/manager/team/players Get crowds of c23k to every game Take a decent away turn out to every game Act (in the nicest possible way!) like the 'biggest' club in Div 3 (ignore the Damned Utd) Let's see where 3 seasons of that gets us ... I would say that top half of the CCC is perfectly possible in 3 seasons time with the right manager and with the fans uniting behind the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintjay77 Posted 10 June, 2009 Share Posted 10 June, 2009 (edited) Hopefull 5 year plan must be Year 1 = Promoted via playoffs Year 2 = Build a promotion team safe mid table CCC Year 3 = Automatic Promotion to Prem Year 4 = Aim for mid table safty Year 5 = Aim for top half table with a push for Europe places Realistic 5 year plan Year 1 = Dont get relegated Year 2 = Playoff places at least and hope for promotion Year 3 = If still in league 1 aim for Automatic Promotion and if in CCC aim for survival Year 4 = Either aim for survival in CCC or aim for playoffs Year 5 = Cant see us in the Prem yet so Aim for automatics or to win playoffs Would be great if the 1st 5 year plan was achievable but there will be many other team that want the same as we do and we have loads of re-building to do to be realistic challengers IMO Edited 10 June, 2009 by saintjay77 Edited 2ice cause I cant spell ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkSFC Posted 10 June, 2009 Share Posted 10 June, 2009 Get a decent manager Keep the players that want to stay, get rid of the want-aways, add to the squad with solid experienced lower-lge pro's Sell 20,000 STs at £200 a throw Get behind the new board/manager/team/players Get crowds of c23k to every game Take a decent away turn out to every game Act (in the nicest possible way!) like the 'biggest' club in Div 3 (ignore the Damned Utd) Let's see where 3 seasons of that gets us ... I would say that top half of the CCC is perfectly possible in 3 seasons time with the right manager and with the fans uniting behind the team. A proper post!...except at £200 ST's we should expect to sell out really!! More realistic price is 300-350 unless they build in some two-year ticket scheme, which I think would be good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 10 June, 2009 Share Posted 10 June, 2009 If only football was that easy , a five year plan, problem is there are 23 other clubs in our division trying to stop us. imo you just go out to win every game, get the players you need or the best you can afford and go for it. you may be no near to the aim in 2015 as you will be 2010 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikec Posted 10 June, 2009 Share Posted 10 June, 2009 I admire the ideas on here but I can't help feeling it will be something like: Year 1: Struggle with -10 points, new manager, new players, low crowds, other teams kicking us about. Survive relegation to League 2 by the skin of our teeths. Year 2: A mediocre start, low mid-table, even lower crowds, fans call for manager to be sacked. Manager eventually leaves, new manager brings modest improvement. Finish 9th. Year 3: More mid-table mediocrity. More fan discontentment. A couple of new players in January help a bit and we push for the play-offs but just miss out on the final day. Year 4: Starting to do a bit better. Spend most of the season in the top 6 but miss out on automatic promotion. Lose the play-off final at Wembley on a penalty shoot-out. Year 5: Everyone assumes this will be our year but a complacency leads to another poor start. Manager is sacked ... and so on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedAndWhite91 Posted 10 June, 2009 Share Posted 10 June, 2009 Far too much optimism and it started with survive league one. ;-) I was taking into account the -10, you know, just thought I'd start at a point where things could only get better Not enough!!! Year 1 WIN League One Year 2 WIN CCC Year 3 WIN Premiership and FA Cup Year 4 WIN CL, PR, FA Cup and League Cup Year 5 WHO CARES!!!! NOW THATS OPTIMISM FOR YOU!!!!! Yeah that sounds like a better 5 year plan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arfurdent Posted 10 June, 2009 Share Posted 10 June, 2009 How would you see a five year plan to get us back in the premiership to stay there as I saw that remark by Paul (Tony after being corrected) Lyham. the Soviet Union had five year plans - they went well:mad: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 10 June, 2009 Share Posted 10 June, 2009 depends how much cash is available, who the manager is and when it will all be sorted so we can start recruiting the right players, shaping the squad and start turning this club around. If all those three elements went our way then I still have to question whether our scouting system is such that the right players have been identified to take us up. If they have then we have a chance and could go straight back up if we start well. So many elements that could **** things up so the chances are that we will struggle no matter what. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 10 June, 2009 Share Posted 10 June, 2009 My idea of the plan. Year 1: New ownership sees investment in promising young L1/2 players and a few more seasoned pros. We fight our way up the league and by Xmas are in the top 10, we push on for the rest of the year and achieve a play off place. We lose at Wembley in the play off final Year 2: A trip to Wembley helps galvanise the fanbase and we acheive regular crowds of 19k + at SMS. A difficult start to the second season sees us grab second in the league after a late push. Year 3: A lá Swansea/Bristol City our team pushes on well and finish comfortably in the top 10 of the Championship. However our manager is now in demand at a higher level and leaves. Year 4: The newer appointed bigger name manager does a poor job and gets sacked when we slip back into the bottom three. A more humble appointment from the Scottish leagues takes over and we end the season in mid table safety. Year 5: Said manager now has us playing well, we have a run at the playoffs and sneak in. This time our lucky is in and after beating Sheffield United in the final (their 6th straight play off final defeat) we get back into the Prem. However, due to the formation of the European superleague and eventual restructure of the domestic set up in the summer we stay at the second teir, playing in the F-all Premiership where the winners enter a lottery to get into the European competition. Incidentally the winners of the lottery this year was a team from Lithuania. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ooohTerryHurlock Posted 10 June, 2009 Share Posted 10 June, 2009 I admire the ideas on here but I can't help feeling it will be something like: Year 1: Struggle with -10 points, new manager, new players, low crowds, other teams kicking us about. Survive relegation to League 2 by the skin of our teeths. Year 2: A mediocre start, low mid-table, even lower crowds, fans call for manager to be sacked. Manager eventually leaves, new manager brings modest improvement. Finish 9th. Year 3: More mid-table mediocrity. More fan discontentment. A couple of new players in January help a bit and we push for the play-offs but just miss out on the final day. Year 4: Starting to do a bit better. Spend most of the season in the top 6 but miss out on automatic promotion. Lose the play-off final at Wembley on a penalty shoot-out. Year 5: Everyone assumes this will be our year but a complacency leads to another poor start. Manager is sacked ... and so on. Jesus........... give the samaritans a call and stay away from the bridge!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martel Posted 10 June, 2009 Share Posted 10 June, 2009 How would you see a five year plan to get us back in the premiership to stay there as I saw that remark by Paul (Tony after being corrected) Lyham. I see this season being one of survival as I can't see them over spending on better players as the wage bill will put us in the red slowly again. Next year a push for promotion and then a rollercoaster to the promised land with a few high paid players like Zamoura, Harewood on the way. Can it be done any other way? YEAR ONE CONSOLIDATION YEAR TWO PROMOTION YEAR THREE CONSOLDATION YEAR FOUR PROMOTION YEAR FIVE STAYING IN THE PREMIERSHIP Unless any of you have any better ideas of course! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wightman35 Posted 10 June, 2009 Share Posted 10 June, 2009 Jesus........... give the samaritans a call and stay away from the bridge!! I was feeling almost optimistic until I read MIKEC's post. Now I'll head for the bottle! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SFC Forever Posted 10 June, 2009 Share Posted 10 June, 2009 The optimist in me thinks we have a chance of reaching the play offs, and if so, then given our -10 start we would have to be one of the stonger sides in them (Leeds and MK Dons finsished quite a bit ahead of 6th placed Scunny, so we should be looking to emulate those two). If not, then I think we can't afford not to go up the following year if we are to make great strides in 5 years. Anymore than two seasons down here will be very hard work!!!! The problem is that after gaining promotion to the Championship, I think another promotion will be a huge ask. We'll be up against clubs falling out of the Premiership with decent parachute payments & decentish players(e.g. Newcastle), the yo yo teams who seem to have a grasp on what is needed to get promoted (e.g. West Brom & Birmingham) and a whole host of other teams performing well and/or backed by people. Five years to be back in the Premiership would be great, but I think it's a bloody big ask!!!!! When people remark about the fragile life of managers I read letters like this and smile. Whoever our new manager is next season will have a reasonably solid groundswell of support willing him to succeed. We know we are going to find it hard but would like to see our team at least play as though they care. A goodish start and who knows wotte could happen. I'm just waiting to say goodbye to What. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted 10 June, 2009 Share Posted 10 June, 2009 YEAR ONE CONSOLIDATION YEAR TWO PROMOTION YEAR THREE CONSOLDATION YEAR FOUR PROMOTION YEAR FIVE STAYING IN THE PREMIERSHIP Unless any of you have any better ideas of course! I would think that is realistically the best we can hope for. Its about time our luck turned for the better again so who knows ? Fingers crossed !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 10 June, 2009 Share Posted 10 June, 2009 aiming for just survival next season is a tad low imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 10 June, 2009 Share Posted 10 June, 2009 Will be interesting to see what the 'plan' is: surely it will be a long document that can be summed up as: 1. Budget will dictate what players we can afford and how long we can hold on to them 2. Budget will dictate what manager we can afford and how long we can hold on to them 3. Win as many games as possible 4. 1 and 2 determines the probabilty of 3 (or 1+2=3) ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineteen Canteen Posted 10 June, 2009 Share Posted 10 June, 2009 Need to look to China Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 10 June, 2009 Share Posted 10 June, 2009 YEAR ONE CONSOLIDATION YEAR TWO PROMOTION YEAR THREE CONSOLDATION YEAR FOUR PROMOTION YEAR FIVE STAYING IN THE PREMIERSHIP Unless any of you have any better ideas of course! JUST out of interest if we are second with 2 games to go , do we go out to lose last two to keep within the plan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 10 June, 2009 Share Posted 10 June, 2009 We will be lucky to promote next season to the CCC IMHO with the team we currently have - despite getting a decent manager. We need some men and a new SIMPLE system of playing. Drastic surgery is needed and a manager who can attract quality this summer. Dont expect a miracle though next season. Playoffs at best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 10 June, 2009 Share Posted 10 June, 2009 How would you see a five year plan to get us back in the premiership to stay there as I saw that remark by Paul (Tony after being corrected) Lyham. I see this season being one of survival as I can't see them over spending on better players as the wage bill will put us in the red slowly again. Next year a push for promotion and then a rollercoaster to the promised land with a few high paid players like Zamoura, Harewood on the way. Can it be done any other way? I cannot bear the idea that you plan for the minimum possible. No offence to you Pilchards, I am sure this is not what you meant. But hundreds of teams have won leagues by losing ten games or more. Our only handicap is that three wins and one draw count for nothing. That's all. We don't have a hand tied behind our back, one boot removed, no goalkeeper, fewer players or any other genuine disadvantage. Now, either we can play for survival and be relegated miserably if we miss out, or we can step up to the plate, recognise that we are still a MASSIVE club in this league and stamp our authority on the pitch and the opposition. Not to trot out old lines, but hell's bells if we do aim for the moon, there's a bloody good chance we could easily land in the play-offs at worst. Success is about mentality. It's about hunger, desire and the overwhelming belief in the ability and capability of oneself and one's team members. A half-decent manager could make a good team of the players we will have left. What's required now is pace - firstly off and then on the park, singular focus (likewise on and off the pitch) and a first-rate plan to engage the fans and fill the bloody ground to capacity at £10 a head for the season. BRING IT ON!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amesbury Saint Posted 10 June, 2009 Share Posted 10 June, 2009 year 1 has to be about promotion either automatcially or via the play offs. Plus we should aim to win the Paint Cup. The new Board have to set their stool out from day one. Ban the word consolidation at any level. Forwards or die. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 11 June, 2009 Share Posted 11 June, 2009 year 1 has to be about promotion either automatcially or via the play offs. Plus we should aim to win the Paint Cup. The new Board have to set their stool out from day one. Ban the word consolidation at any level. Forwards or die. Totally agree football is a game where if you try to "consolidate" and things go slightly wrong you end up getting "relegated" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 11 June, 2009 Share Posted 11 June, 2009 year 1 has to be about promotion either automatcially or via the play offs. Plus we should aim to win the Paint Cup. The new Board have to set their stool out from day one. Ban the word consolidation at any level. Forwards or die. So much depends on the takeover going through and just what comes out the other side. But then agian I would agree and say that regardless of whether we're supposed to be self sufficient or whether we got a small shot in the arm, we should be looking for the play offs and a good go at promotion next season. -10 is certainly a handicap but it's certainly not a barrier to promotion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 11 June, 2009 Share Posted 11 June, 2009 agree with some im sick and tired of saints aiming for the middle. just going enough when burley aimed for the playoffs despite having the best squad from the off, well, it was a joke. I want the saints to aim for the top spot. when that is not possible, then second etc etc. we are not as bad nor will we be as bad as so just survive next season.. (imo) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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