The premature Saints Web Unity thread.

[Draino76]

After all the countless arguments, *****ing between many posters on here in the last 3 years or so; (hell even my IQ has been called into question just for saying that administration is a better option than keeping LOWE, (probably justifiably) ) with tomorrow upon us, MLT and KK in the frame, will we now have a united SaintsWeb Forum? Even a fully united fanbase? If we did, we'll most likely make the playoffs at least.

 

I say there's a chance. Much love everybody.

xxx

[buctootim]

after all the countless arguments, *****ing between many posters on here in the last 3 years or so; (hell even my iq has been called into question just for saying that administration is a better option than keeping lowe, (probably justifiably) ) with tomorrow upon us, mlt and kk in the frame, will we now have a united saintsweb forum? Even a fully united fanbase? If we did, we'll most likely make the playoffs at least.

 

I say there's a chance. Much love everybody.

Xxx

 

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[trousers]

[niceandfriendly]

I'm tempted to say I love you but I think I will save it until tomorrow just incase.

[SaintRobbie]

After all the countless arguments, *****ing between many posters on here in the last 3 years or so; (hell even my IQ has been called into question just for saying that administration is a better option than keeping LOWE, (probably justifiably) ) with tomorrow upon us, MLT and KK in the frame, will we now have a united SaintsWeb Forum? Even a fully united fanbase? If we did, we'll most likely make the playoffs at least.

 

I say there's a chance. Much love everybody.

xxx

 

Definitely!

 

But, my IQ score is quite respectable and I can assure you that - as it has now turned out - administration, the destruction of the plc, removal of debts and Lowe's final humiliating removal IS seriously much much better than continuing the move to League 2 with kids!

[stevegrant]

Definitely!

 

But, my IQ score is quite respectable and I can assure you that - as it has now turned out - administration, the destruction of the plc, removal of debts and Lowe's final humiliating removal IS seriously much much better than continuing the move to League 2 with kids!

The means does not in any way, shape or form justify the ends. Particularly given that we haven't even reached the sodding end yet - for all we know the Pinnacle thing could collapse tomorrow and then what?

 

You'd be looking a complete ****, that's what.

 

I still stand by my belief that if more people had ignored the fact that Lowe was the chairman and "supported" the team, we wouldn't find ourselves in this complete ****up of a situation.

[miserableoldgit]

After all the countless arguments, *****ing between many posters on here in the last 3 years or so; (hell even my IQ has been called into question just for saying that administration is a better option than keeping LOWE, (probably justifiably) ) with tomorrow upon us, MLT and KK in the frame, will we now have a united SaintsWeb Forum? Even a fully united fanbase? If we did, we'll most likely make the playoffs at least.

 

I say there's a chance. Much love everybody.

xxx

There are one or two on the various KK threads that oppose his appointment, so not there yet!

[Right sider]

 

I think not!:axe:

Edited 18 June, 2009 by Right sider

[The9]

The means does not in any way, shape or form justify the ends. Particularly given that we haven't even reached the sodding end yet - for all we know the Pinnacle thing could collapse tomorrow and then what?

 

You'd be looking a complete ****, that's what.

 

I still stand by my belief that if more people had ignored the fact that Lowe was the chairman and "supported" the team, we wouldn't find ourselves in this complete ****up of a situation.

 

Pretty sure that's the opinion of about 15,000 others too.

 

There's never going to be a "united fanbase", even when we were Cup Finalists and in Europe there were people complaining that we were negative, arguing over Ormerod's contribution, there are people who will never get over Hoddle not being appointed, those who won't let go of Wilde's tenure, Crouch's role, anything mentioning Lowe, and even today I find myself opposed to the idea of Keegan as manager and apparently in a minority - but the point is we shouldn't expect to agree on everything, we should just get on with supporting Saints. If there's a Saints to support, of course.

 

The only difference between now and the early 80s is that everyone's opinions can be seen, cross-examined and brought back to them, rather than just being forgotten down the pub by 5:30pm on Saturday evening.

Edited 18 June, 2009 by The9

[1976_Child]

After all the countless arguments, *****ing between many posters on here in the last 3 years or so; (hell even my IQ has been called into question just for saying that administration is a better option than keeping LOWE, (probably justifiably) ) with tomorrow upon us, MLT and KK in the frame, will we now have a united SaintsWeb Forum? Even a fully united fanbase? If we did, we'll most likely make the playoffs at least.

 

I say there's a chance. Much love everybody.

xxx

 

Nah. Sod off. Personally I would rather Lowe was back at the club than have MLT as chairman and KK as manager. Lowe was the best thing that ever happened to our Great Club. All the stupid dinlos on this forum who wanted Lowe out have gone and precipitated the arrival of nobodies like this Le Tiss fella and possibly Keegan. And they would rather have them than Lowe? Crazy, but then there's no legislating for idiots is there.

[Foxstone]

After all the countless arguments, *****ing between many posters on here in the last 3 years or so; (hell even my IQ has been called into question just for saying that administration is a better option than keeping LOWE, (probably justifiably) ) with tomorrow upon us, MLT and KK in the frame, will we now have a united SaintsWeb Forum? Even a fully united fanbase? If we did, we'll most likely make the playoffs at least.

 

I say there's a chance. Much love everybody.

xxx

 

I hope not as this will become a sodding boring forum if everybody agrees with everybody !

[dubai_phil]

Correct

 

It's premature

[Right sider]

I hope not as this will become a sodding boring forum if everybody agrees with everybody !

 

I agree!

[Frank's cousin]

The means does not in any way, shape or form justify the ends. Particularly given that we haven't even reached the sodding end yet - for all we know the Pinnacle thing could collapse tomorrow and then what?

 

You'd be looking a complete ****, that's what.

 

I still stand by my belief that if more people had ignored the fact that Lowe was the chairman and "supported" the team, we wouldn't find ourselves in this complete ****up of a situation.

 

On a purely practical perspective I believe that is correct - however I would add if we had more fans that were still willing to go even though we were crap on the pitch and struggling in the CCC, we would NOT have been so financially fecked... Both of these are FACTUALLY correct.

 

However, what they fail to take into account is that ultimately, a club needs to do two things: 1) understand what it really is that will guarrantee maximum bums on seats under all circumstances - and 2) budget accordingly....

 

I think Lowe's main problem was quite simply he did not inspire loyalty when the chips were down - I think the vast majority of real fans will support their team through thick and thin regardless of what they perceive as management feck ups in the board room, IF they feel the board is genuinely determined and passionate about success - afterall everyone makes mistakes and in football even the very best best do - Veron at Man U? anyone?

 

LOwe simply did not give this impression and irrespective of whether that was a right or wrong - the perception was that he did not and thats all that counts in the end.

 

All Wilde and Crouch did was feck up on number 2) they got their sums wrong given the risk associated with failing to get back up... then Wilde did his U turn... after it was really too late to do anything apart form farm out high wage earners and HOPE that fans still came along despite the reduction in quality - Lowe mis reads the situation (yet again) and dumps a popular manager and tries a new system - not a bad idea under different circumstances, but a mighty misjudgment not just from a playing perspective, but from a commercial one too as the change from Perason, played into the hands of those who were determined to see him out at whatever cost - the propoganda of 'how **** we had become' and 'not worth supporting under such imcompetent maangement ' 'not giving him another penny to waste' etc - is effective on those for whom the cost is already a luxury expense... and thus misery breeds misery, low gates breed lower gates until Man United come a knowcking...

 

I will still maintain that had more fans simply been less obssessed by the quality of football on offer and more obssessed by supporting come what may, of course we would not have been in the mire - thats not a critique of fans because its the same at every club - we just supplemented it a little by those claiming boycott and gave the rest a convenient excuse. Its not rocket science.

 

I suspect we will see 20k plus for the first few games.... which will fall dramatically should we lose them... thats just teh way it goes and sometimes rather than whnge and moan at those that decide its not worth it anymore, maybe put that energy into convincing new fans WHY its worth the effort and the expence

Edited 18 June, 2009 by Frank's cousin

[trousers]

I still stand by my belief that if more people had ignored the fact that Lowe was the chairman and "supported" the team, we wouldn't find ourselves in this complete ****up of a situation.

 

Or visa versa, of course...

[The9]

There are one or two on the various KK threads that oppose his appointment, so not there yet!

 

I've already said I'd bite the bullet and put up with him, it's not about the afro, it's about the team.

[Puddings and Monkeys]

Definitely!

 

But, my IQ score is quite respectable and I can assure you that - as it has now turned out - administration, the destruction of the plc, removal of debts and Lowe's final humiliating removal IS seriously much much better than continuing the move to League 2 with kids!

 

Yeah..right you plonker. Have a word with the companies who won't be getting paid, the people who work behind the scenes at SFC who were in danger on not getting paid, let alone those who lost their jobs.

 

Your IQ is that of a shellfish.

[The9]

I still stand by my belief that if more people had ignored the fact that Lowe was the chairman and "supported" the team, we wouldn't find ourselves in this complete ****up of a situation.

 

Or visa versa, of course...

 

What, that if more supported people were ignored in a **** up of a situation with the team chair, Lowe wouldn't find himself, man ?

 

I'm not sure I follow.

[EastleighSoulBoy]

[um pahars]

I still stand by my belief that if more people had ignored the fact that Lowe was the chairman and "supported" the team, we wouldn't find ourselves in this complete ****up of a situation.

 

But I don't think many people put their hatred/displeasure at Lowe being Chairman before supporting the team. Those that did numbered in the 100's, not the 1,000's and were not the main reason for our demise???

 

As is the case with 99% of teams, the main factor affecting attendances were results and perfomrances on the pitch, particularly at home. After the die hards you have to provide supporters with a reason to come and last season we failed miserably in making them turn up.

 

And in the absence of decent results and performances there was nothing/no one at the Club who could engender a spirit of unity to try and get them to come to matches.

[alpine_saint]

After all the countless arguments, *****ing between many posters on here in the last 3 years or so; (hell even my IQ has been called into question just for saying that administration is a better option than keeping LOWE, (probably justifiably) ) with tomorrow upon us, MLT and KK in the frame, will we now have a united SaintsWeb Forum? Even a fully united fanbase? If we did, we'll most likely make the playoffs at least.

 

I say there's a chance. Much love everybody.

xxx

 

Reckon there is a chance too.

 

However, there may be a little time for one more moment of smugness tomorrow.

 

If the rumours that are gathering apace are true, those who wanted to stick by Lowe and thought administration unthinkable will feel pretty stoopid.

[alpine_saint]

The means does not in any way, shape or form justify the ends. Particularly given that we haven't even reached the sodding end yet - for all we know the Pinnacle thing could collapse tomorrow and then what?

 

You'd be looking a complete ****, that's what.

 

I still stand by my belief that if more people had ignored the fact that Lowe was the chairman and "supported" the team, we wouldn't find ourselves in this complete ****up of a situation.

 

What a load of sour grapes.

[Glasgow_Saint]

[Mole]

The means does not in any way, shape or form justify the ends. Particularly given that we haven't even reached the sodding end yet - for all we know the Pinnacle thing could collapse tomorrow and then what?

 

You'd be looking a complete ****, that's what.

 

I still stand by my belief that if more people had ignored the fact that Lowe was the chairman and "supported" the team, we wouldn't find ourselves in this complete ****up of a situation.

 

Rubbish. Those who boycotted put the final nail in Lowes coffin and we are the reason why SFC is now on the verge of a bright new dawn.

[SaintRobbie]

The means does not in any way, shape or form justify the ends. Particularly given that we haven't even reached the sodding end yet - for all we know the Pinnacle thing could collapse tomorrow and then what?

 

You'd be looking a complete ****, that's what.

 

I still stand by my belief that if more people had ignored the fact that Lowe was the chairman and "supported" the team, we wouldn't find ourselves in this complete ****up of a situation.

 

Guess what Steve... I am not going to look a complete prat. Because, the takeover will go ahead as anyone with an ounce of sense who knows how saleable this club has always been and is knows. If no Pinnacle, there has always been others, indeed we know of Swiss interest right now too. But Pinnacle will succeed.

 

Your belief is idealistic but was never in the slightest bit realistic. Noone backs a loser. Lowe was a loser. And people stayed away due to lack of success for the reasons many have typed above, induced by his poor leadership.

 

I also do not see this as a **** up of a situation. No Lowe, No plc, No debt and a new wealthy backer, People who care in the boardroom and optimism is worth the Barclays induced sacrifice for a better future rather than the slide to oblivion.

 

My biggest regret is that we never forced Lowe out for good and allowed him to return whilst being a CCC team rather than reaching the position we're in today.

 

Those who had the opportunity to influence that outcome can gaze into their belly buttons in their own time however. For me and shortly you, the time for optimism has finally arrived, slightly later than necessary, but it is now here.

 

Tomorrow everyone 'will be in that number', with the exception of a lonely CEO of a retirement home company. I am going to enjoy the ride that follows with MLT and KK with you and the rest of Southampton!

Edited 18 June, 2009 by SaintRobbie
grammar!

[Block 5]

Rubbish. Those who boycotted put the final nail in Lowes coffin and we are the reason why SFC is now on the verge of a bright new yawn.

 

Tee hee.

[alpine_saint]

Guess what Steve... I am not going to look a complete prat. Because, the takeover will go ahead as anyone with an ounce of sense who knows how saleable this club has always been and is knows. If no Pinnacle, there has always been others, indeed we know of Swiss interest right now too. But Pinnacle will succeed.

 

Your belief is idealistic but was never in the slightest bit realistic. Noone backs a loser. Lowe was a loser. And people stayed away due to lack of success for the reasons many have typed above, induced by his poor leadership.

 

I also do not see this as a **** up of a situation. No Lowe, No plc, No debt and a new wealthy backer, People who care in the boardroom and optimism is worth the Barclays induced sacrifice for a better future rather than the slide to oblivion.

 

My biggest regret is that we never forced Lowe out for good and allowed him to return rather than reach the position we're in today whilst being a CCC team.

 

Those who had the opportunity to influence that outcome can gaze into their belly buttons in their own time however. For me and shortly you, the time for optimism has finally arrived, slightly later than necessary, but it is now here.

 

Tomorrow everyone 'will be in that number', with the exception of a lonely CEO of a retirement home company. I am going to enjoy the ride that follows with MLT and KK with you and the rest of Southampton!

 

Superb post.

[stevegrant]

What a load of sour grapes.

Damn right it's sour grapes, sour that we are now playing League One football, sour that a couple of hundred of hard-working and decent employees have been put through the mill over the last 3 months not knowing if they'll have a job to go to the next day and sour that thousands of supporters have been put through a similar mill not knowing whether they'll have a football club to support the next day.

 

And of course the takeover is NOT completed yet. Until a press conference announces it, I'll be just as worried for the future of the club as I have been for the last few months.

[Mole]

Damn right it's sour grapes, sour that we are now playing League One football, sour that a couple of hundred of hard-working and decent employees have been put through the mill over the last 3 months not knowing if they'll have a job to go to the next day and sour that thousands of supporters have been put through a similar mill not knowing whether they'll have a football club to support the next day.

 

And of course the takeover is NOT completed yet. Until a press conference announces it, I'll be just as worried for the future of the club as I have been for the last few months.

 

Give it a rest.

[SaintRobbie]

I was worried for 11 months. Then the plc died and Lowe was evicted. Knowing the interest that would follow in buying Saints I breathed a sigh of relief.

 

Steve, I shall have to welcome you back to the world of sleep filled nights shortly... hopefully starting tomorrow... but then I suspect you wont sleep out of excitement instead!

[Mole]

I was worried for 11 months. Then the plc died and Lowe was evicted. Knowing the interest that would follow in buying Saints I breathed a sigh of relief.

 

Steve, I shall have to welcome you back to the world of sleep filled nights shortly... hopefully starting tomorrow... but then I suspect you wont sleep out of excitement instead!

 

I agree Robbie and you are right, but it's time to move on. Steve will never accept he's wrong so there's no point argueing. Enjoy the new dawn.

[NorthamSteve]

Damn right it's sour grapes, sour that we are now playing League One football, sour that a couple of hundred of hard-working and decent employees have been put through the mill over the last 3 months not knowing if they'll have a job to go to the next day and sour that thousands of supporters have been put through a similar mill not knowing whether they'll have a football club to support the next day.

 

And of course the takeover is NOT completed yet. Until a press conference announces it, I'll be just as worried for the future of the club as I have been for the last few months.

 

And that, my friend, is why the word 'premature' is in the title IMO.

 

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/premature

 

:cool:

[Legod Third Coming]

The means does not in any way, shape or form justify the ends. Particularly given that we haven't even reached the sodding end yet - for all we know the Pinnacle thing could collapse tomorrow and then what?

 

You'd be looking a complete ****, that's what.

 

I still stand by my belief that if more people had ignored the fact that Lowe was the chairman and "supported" the team, we wouldn't find ourselves in this complete ****up of a situation.

 

Christ, when will people stop blaming the bloody symptom...

 

I abhor what people did by boycotting and depriving my club of the oxygen of money.

 

But even so, not a single fan failed to hold onto WGS (how's his hips btw?) and not a single fan appointed the cheapest management team in the football league with all the experience of coco the clown...

 

As for the three managers in a season debacle that led us down this path...

 

Surely, surely, however, all this is water under the Itchen and we can now at last be united in the cause of saving our club and believing in the future???

 

Fans avoid poor football, that's life.

[Saint Billy]

I still stand by my belief that if more people had ignored the fact that Lowe was the chairman and "supported" the team, we wouldn't find ourselves in this complete ****up of a situation.

 

They did stand by him for at least 10 years, what do you want, blood?

 

You well know that the downward spirral started pretty much after the fa cup final when GS left, was that the fans fault?.

Edited 18 June, 2009 by Saint Billy

[Saint Billy]

Guess what Steve... I am not going to look a complete prat. Because, the takeover will go ahead as anyone with an ounce of sense who knows how saleable this club has always been and is knows. If no Pinnacle, there has always been others, indeed we know of Swiss interest right now too. But Pinnacle will succeed.

 

Your belief is idealistic but was never in the slightest bit realistic. Noone backs a loser. Lowe was a loser. And people stayed away due to lack of success for the reasons many have typed above, induced by his poor leadership.

 

I also do not see this as a **** up of a situation. No Lowe, No plc, No debt and a new wealthy backer, People who care in the boardroom and optimism is worth the Barclays induced sacrifice for a better future rather than the slide to oblivion.

 

My biggest regret is that we never forced Lowe out for good and allowed him to return whilst being a CCC team rather than reaching the position we're in today.

 

Those who had the opportunity to influence that outcome can gaze into their belly buttons in their own time however. For me and shortly you, the time for optimism has finally arrived, slightly later than necessary, but it is now here.

 

Tomorrow everyone 'will be in that number', with the exception of a lonely CEO of a retirement home company. I am going to enjoy the ride that follows with MLT and KK with you and the rest of Southampton!

 

Absolutely, top post!

[CHAPEL END CHARLIE]

Having undergone two separate periods of jury service I can confirm (from bitter experience ) that it's almost impossible to get 12 people to agree on anything - the prospects of getting everyone on here 'singing from the same hymn sheet' must rank alongside Pompeys chances of being voted European Capital of Culture

[Mole]

Having undergone two separate periods of jury service I can confirm (from bitter experience ) that it's almost impossible to get 12 people to agree on anything - the prospects of getting everyone on here 'singing from the same hymn sheet' must rank alongside Pompeys chances of being voted European Capital of Culture

 

Liverpool is a slum and they got it, so don't count your chickens.

[Denzil]

After all the countless arguments, *****ing between many posters on here in the last 3 years or so; (hell even my IQ has been called into question just for saying that administration is a better option than keeping LOWE, (probably justifiably) ) with tomorrow upon us, MLT and KK in the frame, will we now have a united SaintsWeb Forum? Even a fully united fanbase? If we did, we'll most likely make the playoffs at least.

 

I say there's a chance. Much love everybody.

xxx

 

You soppy goon.

[Gingeletiss]

I still stand by my belief that if more people had ignored the fact that Lowe was the chairman and "supported" the team, we wouldn't find ourselves in this complete ****up of a situation.

 

Steve.........I really thought better of you. To blame the fans, when the man most responsible for our woes, still enjoys a silver spoon lifestyle. To flip the coin, it's people like your good self, who, in supporting Stewpert the second time around, allowed him to complete his task of destroying Saints. FFS, look at the facts, none of that had anything to do with the fans. Yes, some stayed away because of Stewpert....but at the beginning of the season, if you had all stayed away, then mayhap we would still be in the CC.

 

IMO of course

[SFC Forever]

The means does not in any way, shape or form justify the ends. Particularly given that we haven't even reached the sodding end yet - for all we know the Pinnacle thing could collapse tomorrow and then what?

 

You'd be looking a complete ****, that's what.

 

I still stand by my belief that if more people had ignored the fact that Lowe was the chairman and "supported" the team, we wouldn't find ourselves in this complete ****up of a situation.

 

 

 

Sorry but I have to disagree. All Lowe would have done is find a way to waste even more money.

[Wopper]

Thank f**k the half wits gone.

[Iowsaintsfan]

I give it a week before people start moaning again!

[Legod Third Coming]

I give it a week before people start moaning again!

 

Oh why did you have to say that FFS...

[Plumstead_Saint]

Pretty sure that's the opinion of about 15,000 others too.

:smt046

What a strange world you live in

[Frank's cousin]

Think folk have misinterpreted Steve's perspective... and that is a common trait on here when the 'lowe' lord is mentioned in a post - As I understand Steves post its about pointing out that for whatever reason, the biggest factor in our fall into Admin was the reduction in gate. NOw we can argue until we are blue in the face about the causes - whether poor value, poor football, protest or whatever, the truth is that had we had a BIGGER percentage of the fanbase willing to put up with the bad football and the boardroom shenanigans to support the club during its greatest need, we may not have entered admin and not have the -10 points etc.

 

Now if as a result we do find a better and more stable regime at the helm of course froma purely footballing perspective most will see this as worth it, but its still not guarranteed and nor is 'success' - there are frankly too many variables in sport to guarrantee anything - but Steve is rightly pointing out the impact this has had on staff and importantly smaller creditors, local businesses etc that will lose out as a result and for some it impossible to ignore the moral aspects of this.

 

This is not a case of moaning, but of being sensitive to the facts that whilst administration may see MLT at the helm and a brighter future, whatever the 'interest' the club, apart from pinnacle we have not seen any evidence that there were 'numerous' realistic options out there and the potential impact of no deal was VERY great - and that effects staff and fans alike for very different reasons.

 

With luck we will see a new dawn today or in the next few days, but dont for one minute believe that there was not a very real chance of the lights being turned off....

[Draino76]

You soppy goon.

 

 

Harsh, and its not like me to be soppy, so i've stopped.

[Gingeletiss]

Think folk have misinterpreted Steve's perspective... and that is a common trait on here when the 'lowe' lord is mentioned in a post - As I understand Steves post its about pointing out that for whatever reason' date=' [b']the biggest factor in our fall into Admin was the reduction in gate.[/b] NOw we can argue until we are blue in the face about the causes - whether poor value, poor football, protest or whatever, the truth is that had we had a BIGGER percentage of the fanbase willing to put up with the bad football and the boardroom shenanigans to support the club during its greatest need, we may not have entered admin and not have the -10 points etc.

 

Now if as a result we do find a better and more stable regime at the helm of course froma purely footballing perspective most will see this as worth it, but its still not guarranteed and nor is 'success' - there are frankly too many variables in sport to guarrantee anything - but Steve is rightly pointing out the impact this has had on staff and importantly smaller creditors, local businesses etc that will lose out as a result and for some it impossible to ignore the moral aspects of this.

 

This is not a case of moaning, but of being sensitive to the facts that whilst administration may see MLT at the helm and a brighter future, whatever the 'interest' the club, apart from pinnacle we have not seen any evidence that there were 'numerous' realistic options out there and the potential impact of no deal was VERY great - and that effects staff and fans alike for very different reasons.

 

With luck we will see a new dawn today or in the next few days, but dont for one minute believe that there was not a very real chance of the lights being turned off....

 

Frank...that's where I disagree. I don't think that was the biggest factor. IMO, the biggest factor, was Wilde inviting Stewpert back for a second go at our destruction, and he succeded this time. Don't blame the fans, the blame falls squarely on the shoulders of the Chairman, and in great part Wilde.

[alpine_saint]

Think folk have misinterpreted Steve's perspective... and that is a common trait on here when the 'lowe' lord is mentioned in a post - As I understand Steves post its about pointing out that for whatever reason' date=' the biggest factor in our fall into Admin was the reduction in gate. [b']NOw we can argue until we are blue in the face about the causes - whether poor value, poor football, protest or whatever, [/b]the truth is that had we had a BIGGER percentage of the fanbase willing to put up with the bad football and the boardroom shenanigans to support the club during its greatest need, we may not have entered admin and not have the -10 points etc.

 

 

Yep, trivialise any consideration/discussion of the reason in the cause of delivering your agenda, why dont you.

[Frank's cousin]

Frank...that's where I disagree. I don't think that was the biggest factor. IMO, the biggest factor, was Wilde inviting Stewpert back for a second go at our destruction, and he succeded this time. Don't blame the fans, the blame falls squarely on the shoulders of the Chairman, and in great part Wilde.

 

Sorry thats where we disagree - The club committed to spending 7.5 mill during Wilde first stint - backed by the then football board (of which Mr Crouch was Chairman) and teh PLC board on the understanding that Wilde had made promised of investment - This investment never happened and when we failed to get promoted this left not only the hole of the parachute loss, but also the ever increasing hole due to costs (with new high wage earners) outstripping revenue. Wilde was then ousted and fell out with CRouch, I suspect because was mightly fecked off that the promise of investment were pi ss in the wind - but Crouch needs to accept he should have had this signed sealed and delivered BEFORE spending was approved - The following season saw Burley depart and the overdarft increase as gates began to reduce as the quality of play declined. Crouch began some measures of cost cutting, but stated no one was leaving, and then after a brief flirt of Dodd and Gorman brought in Pearson who surprised everyone and kept uis up onthe last day --- in the meantime Lowe must have though its all going tits up... the OD was still not under control, the cash reserves had been spent and the revenue was falling - So he decided to do something about it - now as fans we all know that this was a mistake because of the feeling towards LOwe - he probably did not even register it yet could possibly have staved off a bit of it by keeping Pearson... I bet in hindsight he would probably reluctantly agree.

 

The only way back in for Lowe was with Wilde and that meant Crouch out - a mess - but buy this time the debt was there, the question was could it be maintained or reduced or woudl it grow? The moment fans stopped going for whatever reason we were doomed as as soon as the big wage earners returned from loan and could not be sold or loaned again we had no way of controlling the cost base...unless we had 25K + at each game and that was not evn possible when we were pushing for the playoffs under Burley --- and the rest is history.

 

Many see this as highly emotional divisive stuff and its easy to get drawn into it in such a way and the whole thing has a sad sense of irony - the fan base at one time criticising Lowe for being tightfisted and too prudent and lacking ambition when in the prem - one of teh reasons for relegation - only for us to end up as a club doing the opposite under Wilde (and Crouch) which compounded a problem - as they say its easy being an armchair chairman - all no doubt thought they were doing what was best.... The fact reamins although not blaming the fans in any way, the only way out would ahve been regular sell outs even under Crouch, because had teh club been doing OK financially I doubt he would have bothered coming back.

[Frank's cousin]

Yep, trivialise any consideration/discussion of the reason in the cause of delivering your agenda, why dont you.

 

engegae brain plase Alpine and take note that there are twoSEPERATE questions and this was in no way trivialising...as to agend... yawn...Zzzzzzz

 

Can I ask you what possible 'Agenda' could I have, I am just a fan witha na opinion who enjoys using forums such as this to express it - how can this be an Agenda? Pleae you have lost me ....