The boy done well Posted 8 July, 2009 Share Posted 8 July, 2009 He's tactically inept and totally uninspiring. His football is extremely hard to watch and defensively we are appalling. He's not been any more loyal than the next man either. After all, if you were a Dutchman and had half a chance of staying with an English club or departing for the back end of Egypt (as he was originally going to) which would you choose. He's part of Lowe's failed Dutch experiment and has to go without delay-which I am sure is what Le Tiss would say and obviously had in mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 8 July, 2009 Share Posted 8 July, 2009 He's tactically inept and totally uninspiring. His football is extremely hard to watch and defensively we are appalling. He's not been any more loyal than the next man either. After all, if you were a Dutchman and had half a chance of staying with an English club or departing for the back end of Egypt (as he was originally going to) which would you choose. He's part of Lowe's failed Dutch experiment and has to go without delay-which I am sure is what Le Tiss would say and obviously had in mind. yes they were going to replace them - but AO's comments on sky could be read both ways - reviewing includes Wotte - could mean reviewing his position or he is part of mgt team reviewing whats needed - which fits in more with what AO then said about seeing what Wotte thinks is needed for promotion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctoroncall Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 Wotte's teams he has managed (18 teams in dutch divisions): Info listed as Year, Team, Played, Won, Drawn, Lost, (place) 1983–1988 VV Rijswijk....... Amateur club - no records found. 1992........ ADO Den Haag. 34 6 10 18 (16th, relegated), 34 15 8 11 (8th second division) not sure when started or left in '92. 1994–1996 FC Lisse.......... Amateur club - no records found only places: 2nd and 2nd 1996–1998 ADO Den Haag. 34 16 6 12 (7th second division), 34 17 7 10 (5th second div) 1998–1999 FC Utrecht...... 34 10 8 16 (12th) 1999–2000 FC Den Bosch.. 34 4 11 19 (18th relegated) 2000–2002 Netherlands U-21 2002–2004 Willem II Tilburg 34 11 9 14 (11th) 34 13 10 11 (7th) 2006........ Ismaily SC....... 26 12 3 11 (4th - but left during season) 2006–2007 RKC Waalwijk... 34 6 9 19 (relegated) 2007–2008 Al Ahli............ 22 10 7 5 (3rd of 10) 2009 Southampton.......... 18 4 7 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 When asked, in a survey on here last month, 21 out of 22 Saints fans said they would prefer someone other than Wotte as manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sussexsaint Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 Looking above its a F*** of a lot more than that wantin him for at most the short term Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Rooney Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 Yes give him an opportunity, he had an extremely difficult job last year and i think we should judge him now there is a stable footing at the club Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Bad Bob Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 can we add another option to the poll? Yes - see what kind of job he does then decide. Bit harsh voting short term if he turns out to be awesome, equally long term is no good if he is pants +1, I voted short term in the absence of a 'see how he does' option!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 He's tactically inept and totally uninspiring. His football is extremely hard to watch and defensively we are appalling. He's not been any more loyal than the next man either. After all, if you were a Dutchman and had half a chance of staying with an English club or departing for the back end of Egypt (as he was originally going to) which would you choose. He's part of Lowe's failed Dutch experiment and has to go without delay-which I am sure is what Le Tiss would say and obviously had in mind. I totally agree. He obviously has amazing PR people. Loyalty my arse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 May have missed someone else pointing this out.. Wasn't he referred to as Mr Chocolate last season? Seems obvious why the Swiss kept him then Maybe he knows where we could get some good players Lindt to us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 Wotte's teams he has managed (18 teams in dutch divisions): Info listed as Year, Team, Played, Won, Drawn, Lost, (place) 1983–1988 VV Rijswijk....... Amateur club - no records found. 1992........ ADO Den Haag. 34 6 10 18 (16th, relegated), 34 15 8 11 (8th second division) not sure when started or left in '92. 1994–1996 FC Lisse.......... Amateur club - no records found only places: 2nd and 2nd 1996–1998 ADO Den Haag. 34 16 6 12 (7th second division), 34 17 7 10 (5th second div) 1998–1999 FC Utrecht...... 34 10 8 16 (12th) 1999–2000 FC Den Bosch.. 34 4 11 19 (18th relegated) 2000–2002 Netherlands U-21 2002–2004 Willem II Tilburg 34 11 9 14 (11th) 34 13 10 11 (7th) 2006........ Ismaily SC....... 26 12 3 11 (4th - but left during season) 2006–2007 RKC Waalwijk... 34 6 9 19 (relegated) 2007–2008 Al Ahli............ 22 10 7 5 (3rd of 10) 2009 Southampton.......... 18 4 7 7 RELEGATED You missed the key stat. So, Wotte has relegated 4 teams including Southampton and promoted how many? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 +1, I voted short term in the absence of a 'see how he does' option!! I voted No in the absense of a 'Not a bloody chance - we've seen how he's done' button Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr X Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 When asked, in a survey on here last month, 21 out of 22 Saints fans said they would prefer someone other than Wotte as manager. Excactly so why have so many people done a U - turn? Because somone acts with dignity in a difficult time doesn't mean they suddenly aquire the skills to take us forward, skills that they certainly didn't have back then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blairo Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 Anybody who went to Sheffield weds when we needed a win knows the answer!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wopper Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 Pay the bloke off and lets move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctoroncall Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 You missed the key stat. So, Wotte has relegated 4 teams including Southampton and promoted how many? I just couldn't write it! I think people are being swayed by the emotional side of this situation. Personally I don't think he's up to it and I prefer to look elsewhere for a suitable candidate rather than an eligible one. It's not the case of anyone as long as it's not Wotte. Wotte or no Wotte, I'll be happy to carrying on supporting the club now knowing the future of the club is secure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 I just couldn't write it! I think people are being swayed by the emotional side of this situation. Personally I don't think he's up to it and I prefer to look elsewhere for a suitable candidate rather than an eligible one. It's not the case of anyone as long as it's not Wotte. Wotte or no Wotte, I'll be happy to carrying on supporting the club now knowing the future of the club is secure. You are absolutely correct. People are being swayed by the euphoria of the last 24 hours. But, what is interesting is that even then only 20-odd % want him to stay permanently!! Quite damning really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 Exactly so why have so many people done a U - turn? I'm guessing most people don't want to inject any negativity into the current feeling of euphoria and thus think it's the gentlemanly thing to do to give people the benefit of the doubt. Not a bad human trait at the end of the day but not sure if it's ruthless enough to get us out of this league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 I'm guessing most people don't want to inject any negativity into the current feeling of euphoria and thus think it's the gentlemanly thing to do to give people the benefit of the doubt. Not a bad human trait at the end of the day but not sure if it's ruthless enough to get us out of this league. Agreed. That said 19% only want him to stay permanently and I gather that no decision has been made about his appointment given comments based on other threads on SSN today. It is still subject to a thorough review. The title of this thread needs to be changed to 'Wotte's position under review'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 Agreed. That said 19% only want him to stay permanently and I gather that no decision has been made about his appointment given comments based on other threads on SSN today. It is still subject to a thorough review. The title of this thread needs to be changed to 'Wotte's position under review'. give it a rest PLEASE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 give it a rest PLEASE I think Burley was ok. What about you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 I just couldn't write it! I think people are being swayed by the emotional side of this situation. Personally I don't think he's up to it and I prefer to look elsewhere for a suitable candidate rather than an eligible one. It's not the case of anyone as long as it's not Wotte. Wotte or no Wotte, I'll be happy to carrying on supporting the club now knowing the future of the club is secure. Let's not forget we start the season with minus 10 points and our youngsters have yet to come to terms with the hurley-burley of League 1. (And didn't last season in the CCC either) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Marco Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 So pretty much 80% of the fans on here want either him on a short term deal or to be replaced. We should be planning for the longterm future now not the short term because finaly we have a longterm future. We have wasted so much time already and we will be wasting even more by keeping him on. Thankfully though apprently they will be revieiwing his position, hopefully business and common sense will prevail above emotional. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 So pretty much 80% of the fans on here want either him on a short term deal or to be replaced. We should be planning for the longterm future now not the short term because finaly we have a longterm future. We have wasted so much time already and we will be wasting even more by keeping him on. Thankfully though apprently they will be revieiwing his position, hopefully business and common sense will prevail above emotional. Here here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
torsaint Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 Happy with Wotte working with the Academy but not the First Team. Much higher profile manager needed to sell STs and bring back 10000 lost supporters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr X Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 I'm guessing most people don't want to inject any negativity into the current feeling of euphoria and thus think it's the gentlemanly thing to do to give people the benefit of the doubt. Not a bad human trait at the end of the day but not sure if it's ruthless enough to get us out of this league. agreed you have to look at it this way: not appointing the right man for the job is what got us in this mess in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marino Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 Given that he was both handcuffed and ankleshackled in financial terms , he did as well as could be expected. The half season he was given must have been a 'mare for him too. I would like to see what he can do now the 'cuffs have been removed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy Nutkins Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 Throughout these long days of speculation, counter speculation, ups, downs, ins and outs, intrigue and mystery, Mark Wotte has in my opinion conducted himself in the correct manner. He has said all the right things when interviewed, kept his council and above all else kept his dignity when you could well have forgiven him for "mouthing-off" when Pinnacle were leading the race and making it clear they would want their own man. For these reasons i believe he deserves a job...................but not the 1st team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 Throughout these long days of speculation, counter speculation, ups, downs, ins and outs, intrigue and mystery, Mark Wotte has in my opinion conducted himself in the correct manner. He has said all the right things when interviewed, kept his council and above all else kept his dignity when you could well have forgiven him for "mouthing-off" when Pinnacle were leading the race and making it clear they would want their own man. For these reasons i believe he deserves a job...................but not the 1st team. This is probably about right. Let him run the academy. I really don't get the fawning over Wotte and his dignity etc, he did what anyone else in his situation would do, especially as he wasn't working for free and clever enough to know this represents his best chance to make a name for himself. And whatever anyone is saying now the vast majority of people would have bounced Wotte out the door on the back of a Keegan appointment two weeks ago. Wotte is a relic from the bad old days. Let the new good times roll, and lets appoint a dynamic exciting manager to unite the fanbase and drag us into the CCC. Or, failing that, appoint Lawrie Sanchez. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torres Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 Or, failing that, appoint Lawrie Sanchez. :smt073 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 :smt073 done well at this level Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 ok ok my prefered and imo realistic choice would be Boothroyd - stated he wants a job many times Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 Given that he was both handcuffed and ankleshackled in financial terms , he did as well as could be expected. The half season he was given must have been a 'mare for him too. I would like to see what he can do now the 'cuffs have been removed. But wasn't he brought in by Lowe PRECISELY because of his 'specialty' of being able to work with youngsters in difficult financial circumstances? The fact that he "failed" in such handcuffed circumstances actually defeats the reason Lowe appointed him for in the first place. The "Dutch Duo" Poortvliet and Wotte were brought in for the very reason that our hands were tied financially - that was their 'unique selling point'. To now use that in his/their defense is somewhat missing the point. This airbrushing of recent history is becoming a tad tiresome. IMHO of course Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torres Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 done well at this level He's done OK at this level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 He's done OK at this level. isnt that a realistic sort of target we could get...? like i said...my choice would be aidy boothroyd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 Wotte scored less than 5% in last month's poll on here of preferred managers. Why the sudden change in opinion? Logically? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 Because Pinnacle did not get the club I would have thought Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torres Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 isnt that a realistic sort of target we could get...? like i said...my choice would be aidy boothroyd I'll admit that I might be biased because I think Sanchez is a pr1ck. And a sh1t manager. Other than that, he wouldn't be my choice Boothroyd is a much better shout. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yarb101 Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 Wotte scored less than 5% in last month's poll on here of preferred managers. Why the sudden change in opinion? Logically? I agree. I think that if Wotte is still in position when the season starts and we end up getting well and truly stuffed in the first couple of games (especially millwall on Sky), I can't see him being in place for very long. As I said before, a nice man does not make a good manager and he just doesn't give me confidence for the long haul. With a minus 10 start, we have no room to experiment and therefore need a manager who knows exactly what is required in League 1. I wonder if MLT's opinion will be sought on this subject? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 Just seen Gordon Strachan driving over the Itchen Bridge. True story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Bad Bob Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 With a minus 10 start, we have no room to experiment and therefore need a manager who knows exactly what is required in League 1. And who the hell is that exactly? The managers that know what is required in this league have probably already got their teams promoted or are working for teams in League 1 already. And what happens if that 'League 1 experienced' manager comes in and fails? What then (not that I'm sticking with the status quo because of that!!) Honestly the clichés that people come out with on here beggars belief at times!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
surrey1saint Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 Having just read the article in todays Echo,if seems that a decision on the manager will be taken within the next few days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yarb101 Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 And what happens if that 'League 1 experienced' manager comes in and fails? What then (not that I'm sticking with the status quo because of that!!) The point that I was making is that the current Dutch manager and his predecessor did not exactly inspire me with their knowledge of playing against teams in the Championship. Why should Division 1 be any different. It now seems a mute point as Wotte is saying in the Echo "I signed a contract as manager for at least one year, so there is no indication they want to change that” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clifford Nelson Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 What does it feel like to be manager for Saints with fans continuously questioning his ability and to want somebody else. His record in Holland reflects the teams he has managed and his record with Saints since January was the best in points per game since WGS. Could we, please, show the man some respect. And can we also show respect to the new owner. It appears that his choice is Wotte, but whoever it is could we just support the manager!? That will make it sooooooooo much easier to get results. It isn't compulsory to be a negative whinger if you're a Saints supporter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 My opinion hasn't changed in recent weeks (even months), in that Wotte is not the man to take us forward. I saw or heard nothing during last season to suggest that his involvement was anything other than a failure. With this new era of inspiration and looking forward, then I have to say Wotte should be consigned to the history books (or if I'm feeling generous, then let him work with the Academy) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 What does it feel like to be manager for Saints with fans continuously questioning his ability and to want somebody else. His record in Holland reflects the teams he has managed and his record with Saints since January was the best in points per game since WGS. Could we, please, show the man some respect. And can we also show respect to the new owner. It appears that his choice is Wotte, but whoever it is could we just support the manager!? That will make it sooooooooo much easier to get results. It isn't compulsory to be a negative whinger if you're a Saints supporter. How many more times are you goiung to get this wrong: His PPG record was 1.05, which is rather poor and relegation form. You either need a new calculator or a new history book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bakovnetski Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 Give him till January and see where we are... Normally I would say yes but how can we truly judge his performance if he is starting off -10 points with a totally revamped squad in the unknown territory of L1. What would be a realistic measurement of success or failure under these circumstances? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OfnPanad Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 Who knows what restrictions he had to work with at the end of last season. Lets see how he does given a free reign to do his thing. +1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 Wotte to leave .....We need a proper job in as First team Manager/coach with his own back up staff. Bring back Woggy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Wayman Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 Even if Christain Grosse comes in as football manager as part of senior management, it should not mean that Wotte must leave. He knows all the kids well from Academy days and is a half decent coach t' boot as well as a top bloke. From what has been said before, he probably wouldn't mind somebody more senior above him to deal with team affairs and transfers and the like leaving him to perfect the Saints silky smooth total football style Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 Who knows what restrictions he had to work with at the end of last season. Lets see how he does given a free reign to do his thing. His entire appointment was a "restriction". He got the job on the back of being cheap and being able to work in "restrictions". If we didn't have restrictions he would never ever have been given the job. It's not like he had the rug taken away - quite the contrary, Wotte had more resources than Poortvilet had. We now no longer have "restrictions" so we don't need a restrictions specialist anymore. Thanks, but see ya. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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