NickG Posted 10 July, 2009 Share Posted 10 July, 2009 Cortesse said in that first echo that he wants a director of football. I'd be v happy with likes of KK, Coppell, Strachen as director with Tisdale. Oldknow wants someone who can use a budget for us to compete in league 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 10 July, 2009 Share Posted 10 July, 2009 I bet any money Matt Le Tiss is earmarked for the job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
surrey1saint Posted 10 July, 2009 Share Posted 10 July, 2009 I bet any money Matt Le Tiss is earmarked for the job. I was just thinking the same thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 10 July, 2009 Share Posted 10 July, 2009 I dont know if Directors of Football ever work . Man U Liverpool Arsenal have strong managers that is what we want Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 10 July, 2009 Share Posted 10 July, 2009 Why the fuss about tisdale? If he had not played for us a handfull of tomes he would not get a mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 10 July, 2009 Share Posted 10 July, 2009 I dont know if Directors of Football ever work . Man U Liverpool Arsenal have strong managers that is what we want Depends on the situation. Quinn at Sunderland does a very good job IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 10 July, 2009 Author Share Posted 10 July, 2009 Why the fuss about tisdale? If he had not played for us a handfull of tomes he would not get a mention and hadn't been listed by pundits in times and sky separately as the hottest young manager in the country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thorpie the sinner Posted 10 July, 2009 Share Posted 10 July, 2009 Cortesse said in that first echo that he wants a director of football. I'd be v happy with likes of KK, Coppell, Strachen as director with Tisdale. Oldknow wants someone who can use a budget for us to compete in league 1. You will get Tisdale in somewhere Nick lol!!!!!! I hope he thanks you if he does become our manager! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St.Patrik Posted 10 July, 2009 Share Posted 10 July, 2009 Not sure what a DOF really does for a club ? A really good manager isnt that enough ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctoroncall Posted 10 July, 2009 Share Posted 10 July, 2009 KK as DoF? I thought he didn't like the role when he was at Newcastle or was that the person? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 10 July, 2009 Share Posted 10 July, 2009 Depends on the situation. Quinn at Sunderland does a very good job IMO Yes but he was Chairman though which is slightly different Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordswoodsaints Posted 10 July, 2009 Share Posted 10 July, 2009 Depends on the situation. Quinn at Sunderland does a very good job IMO IMO quin allowed keane to squander millions on average players and virtually unknowns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 10 July, 2009 Share Posted 10 July, 2009 I don't understand the role at all. You need a manager to train, pick the side and select who he wants to sell and buy. I'd also ask the manager to be involved in youth side of things as well in an overseeing basis. All that is needed is a CEO to do the negotiating on the transfer side of things. A DoF seems like an overpriced scout to me. Why not just pay a few bob extra for a few extra scouts. Going down a league means they are more vital than ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordswoodsaints Posted 10 July, 2009 Share Posted 10 July, 2009 Cortesse said in that first echo that he wants a director of football. I'd be v happy with likes of KK, Coppell, Strachen as director with Tisdale. Oldknow wants someone who can use a budget for us to compete in league 1. Tbf we should and could aim a bit higher than tisdale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 10 July, 2009 Share Posted 10 July, 2009 Tbf we should and could aim a bit higher than tisdale. Why? Tisdale would be brilliant IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 10 July, 2009 Share Posted 10 July, 2009 It worked at Reading, only because no-one knows who Nicky Hammond is!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 10 July, 2009 Share Posted 10 July, 2009 Cortesse said in that first echo that he wants a director of football. I'd be v happy with likes of KK, Coppell, Strachen as director with Tisdale. Oldknow wants someone who can use a budget for us to compete in league 1. Of these the only two who are used to getting good value out of a budget are Coppell and Tisdale Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 10 July, 2009 Author Share Posted 10 July, 2009 KK as DoF? I thought he didn't like the role when he was at Newcastle or was that the person? He was, by his choice DoF at Fulham. Think the issue was a younger, less experienced DoF coming in above him at Newcastle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrant Posted 10 July, 2009 Share Posted 10 July, 2009 KK as DoF? I thought he didn't like the role when he was at Newcastle or was that the person? Harry Redknapp hates the director of football role as well when he's the manager, but that didn't stop him taking Mandaric's five pieces of silver when Graham Rix was in charge down there... If Keegan (or anyone else for that matter) was offered the right terms, they'd soon forget about their hatred of that role. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stubby Posted 10 July, 2009 Share Posted 10 July, 2009 I don't understand the role at all. You need a manager to train, pick the side and select who he wants to sell and buy. I'd also ask the manager to be involved in youth side of things as well in an overseeing basis. All that is needed is a CEO to do the negotiating on the transfer side of things. A DoF seems like an overpriced scout to me. Why not just pay a few bob extra for a few extra scouts. Going down a league means they are more vital than ever. Didn't Lawrie Mac do a good job as DoF with Alan Ball? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 10 July, 2009 Author Share Posted 10 July, 2009 He was, by his choice DoF at Fulham. Think the issue was a younger, less experienced DoF coming in above him at Newcastle. Harry Redknapp hates the director of football role as well when he's the manager, but that didn't stop him taking Mandaric's five pieces of silver when Graham Rix was in charge down there... If Keegan (or anyone else for that matter) was offered the right terms, they'd soon forget about their hatred of that role. he doesn't! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gordonToo Posted 10 July, 2009 Share Posted 10 July, 2009 How about KK as DoF and Wise (D) as manager? Quite a useful combination I'd say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 10 July, 2009 Share Posted 10 July, 2009 and hadn't been listed by pundits in times and sky separately as the hottest young manager in the country. hmmmm hottest young manager in the country....doubt it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 10 July, 2009 Share Posted 10 July, 2009 Why? Tisdale would be brilliant IMO. why..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 10 July, 2009 Share Posted 10 July, 2009 IMO quin allowed keane to squander millions on average players and virtually unknowns. and have not gone down.... they have millions to spend too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 10 July, 2009 Share Posted 10 July, 2009 Why the fuss about tisdale? If he had not played for us a handfull of tomes he would not get a mention I'm inclined to agree. There are a lot of former Saints youth out there in various leagues, I recall Phil Parkinson who had some good press some years back. Former players like Micky Adams and Iain Dowie have had flashes of success. I'm pleased for Paul Tisale that he's been so successful (at that level) but we need a quick fix with a proven name who can turn everthing around by the end of 2010/11 and get us back to some better quality football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 10 July, 2009 Author Share Posted 10 July, 2009 hmmmm hottest young manager in the country....doubt it not saying he is best for what we want now, as things are changing! this is what I said before - if you have hotter, likely young manager then put his case! not that I would try and influence your views but.. Tisdale was on the radio recently talking about us being a great club who should be in the premiership. I feel Paul Tisdale is just the sort of bloke to give us a fresh start; articulate, listen to post match in http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot...ty/7976044.stm product of our youth system only 36. learnt management trade in non-league with Bath Uni- 4 promotions in 5 seasons his side plays attractive football losing in play off final in first season at Exeter won plays off in 2nd season - despite having to sell many players another promotion in his 3rd season definately on the way up, no failure/sacking baggage like most managers on of sky sports top ten football league managers (list before much of this good season) http://www.skysports.com/interactive...214437,00.html A young, fresh, modern manager for us to unite behind? Has proven himself at a lower level but even there didn't experience failure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 10 July, 2009 Share Posted 10 July, 2009 (edited) wow how many managers this year will say "we are a great club, we should be in the prem"..??? taking a team up from league 2 to this crap league is NOT ENOUGH for me now me have new owners with obvious ambition Edited 10 July, 2009 by Thedelldays Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 10 July, 2009 Share Posted 10 July, 2009 Didn't Lawrie Mac do a good job as DoF with Alan Ball? we bought Jim Magilton and Neil Heaney in the 93/94 season, then Peter Whiston, Bruce Grobbelaar, Ronnie Ekelund, Neil Shipperley, Gordon Watson, Chris Warren and Alan Neilson in the 94/95 season. Jim and Ronnie were certainly good signngs, but the rest... The question is how much of our moderate success under ball was down to LM, AB or just Le God? I don't know the answer, but I don't hold any great faith in the DoF role but its ML's money so he can do what he wants. What I wouldn't want to see if Paul Tissdale coming in then having KK hovering over him as DoF. If KK came in lets make him manager and get on with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebel Posted 10 July, 2009 Share Posted 10 July, 2009 I think you'll find Saints were the only club Alan Ball managed and didn't get relegated thanks to Lawrie Mac's guidance at the Dell! A DoF or Technical or Sporting Director role works well if its the right man, with the right remit and in the right structure. He should be there to protect the football manager from the board and also give football a voice at the top table the same mane should also have ulitmate responsibilty for the transfer and wages budget, the Academy and the Reserves - as well as sports science - not to mention player recruitment and player succession management the football managers job is to focus on the first team - coaching and training the players, winning matches, football tactics and all that stuff - making the most of the players he's got - and working with the DoF to bring in the players he needs to strengthen the team such a structure would give te club a long term view - and a 5 year plan not dependant on one man who could easily leave for another bigger club! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
once_bitterne Posted 10 July, 2009 Share Posted 10 July, 2009 If a DoF can work at all it can't be with a former manager in that role as they always end up meddling too much and, in many cases, take over as manager themselves. KK was DoF to Micky Adams at Fulham but ended up taking over the managers job himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 10 July, 2009 Share Posted 10 July, 2009 I think you'll find Saints were the only club Alan Ball managed and didn't get relegated thanks to Lawrie Mac's guidance at the Dell! A DoF or Technical or Sporting Director role works well if its the right man, with the right remit and in the right structure. He should be there to protect the football manager from the board and also give football a voice at the top table the same mane should also have ulitmate responsibilty for the transfer and wages budget, the Academy and the Reserves - as well as sports science - not to mention player recruitment and player succession management the football managers job is to focus on the first team - coaching and training the players, winning matches, football tactics and all that stuff - making the most of the players he's got - and working with the DoF to bring in the players he needs to strengthen the team such a structure would give te club a long term view - and a 5 year plan not dependant on one man who could easily leave for another bigger club! Of course you are right but it never seems to work like that. Perhaps if we get DOF first and then get a manager it might work but time is the essence now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 10 July, 2009 Share Posted 10 July, 2009 Not sure what a DOF really does for a club ? A really good manager isnt that enough ? Agreed. It's just another tier of bureucracy to pass the decisions through - only useful if the manager can't cope with all the demands on him - but I guess with the media requirements and sports science initiatives, plus a hundred and one other player related management issues, planning the training/coaching etc. there's enough work for a couple of people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Webby Posted 10 July, 2009 Share Posted 10 July, 2009 I don't understand the role at all. You need a manager to train, pick the side and select who he wants to sell and buy. I'd also ask the manager to be involved in youth side of things as well in an overseeing basis. All that is needed is a CEO to do the negotiating on the transfer side of things. A DoF seems like an overpriced scout to me. Why not just pay a few bob extra for a few extra scouts. Going down a league means they are more vital than ever. Agree. It's the one thing I'm opposed against so far from the new ownership. I just don't see what the role is. Would the DoF choose players to buy? If so, what if the manager disagrees with those choices? Does the DoF deal with contracts and wages etc? If so, couldn't the CEO deal with that? I don't think any manager gets involved with contracts at all anyway. The manager should deal with all on pitch aspects of the club. That includes which players to sign. I can't see how a DoF can get involved in that. Edit: To me, a DoF is like a manager for the manager, and a good manager doesn't need managing. Does that make sense? Markus, if you're reading this, I say NO! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madsent Posted 10 July, 2009 Share Posted 10 July, 2009 KK as DoF? I thought he didn't like the role when he was at Newcastle or was that the person? KK is a hypocrite in that regard, along with Harry Redknapp. Both of them complain about having directors of football and say they take too much power from the manager and that they don't fit into the structure of English clubs but KK was DoF at Fulham and Redknapp was DoF at Pompey. Neither of them seemed upset about it at the time and they were both well-regarded in their positions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctoroncall Posted 10 July, 2009 Share Posted 10 July, 2009 What I wouldn't want to see if we go down the route of a DoF is the whole Martin Jol and Damien Comolli affair where the coach was not allowed to put forward selected players he wanted to buy. On the pitch it takes players to work as a team to win, it's the same off the pitch too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxy Posted 10 July, 2009 Share Posted 10 July, 2009 I dont know if Directors of Football ever work . Man U Liverpool Arsenal have strong managers that is what we want[/quote Realistically there is precedent in a lot of cases. Clough & Peter Taylor - manager and coach, with Clough the hands off, hiring and contracts guy. Fergusson and Kidd/McClaren, same. Wenger/Pat Rice. Only difference is the job title. Dream ticket might be Strachan as coach/manager (he has said before he only went into management because he likes the coach/tactician part and wouldn't get the control of these without the other crap) with Coppell or similar doing the more business focussed side of the sporting activites? If nothing else the interviews would be fun, the most dry man in football with the most grumpy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 12 July, 2009 Share Posted 12 July, 2009 I dont know if Directors of Football ever work . Man U Liverpool Arsenal have strong managers that is what we want[/quote Realistically there is precedent in a lot of cases. Clough & Peter Taylor - manager and coach, with Clough the hands off, hiring and contracts guy. Fergusson and Kidd/McClaren, same. Wenger/Pat Rice. Only difference is the job title. Dream ticket might be Strachan as coach/manager (he has said before he only went into management because he likes the coach/tactician part and wouldn't get the control of these without the other crap) with Coppell or similar doing the more business focussed side of the sporting activites? If nothing else the interviews would be fun, the most dry man in football with the most grumpy So who picks the team the DOF? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 12 July, 2009 Share Posted 12 July, 2009 this topic was on another thread yesterday saints have two examples in my 47 years of suppoer where a director of football, in actions worked Ted With Lawrie Lawrie with Bally Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Wayman Posted 12 July, 2009 Share Posted 12 July, 2009 I bet any money Matt Le Tiss is earmarked for the job. Why? He hasn't a clue of what is expected of a director as was quite painfully obvious two weeks ago when asked about the finances of the Pinnacle group... "... not really my business, if they say they have the money, I'm sure they do.. " or words to that effect. It isn't going to happen. We need to move on not cling to fixtures of the past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saints-til-i-die Posted 12 July, 2009 Share Posted 12 July, 2009 Did he actually say this? I can't remember him mentioning that. I did hear an interview on Saturday with Oldknow (Solent) and he was asked whether they would be looking for a manager or a continental style set up and he said BOTH! He said they want a manager and will then review the structures that exist to SUPPORT the manager and cited physios, coaches etc...but did not mention a DoF. I don't think the term DoF should be used synonymously with the idea of a continental style set-up - it could merely include features of (coaching side etc etc). The main point is, I think people should be very careful when reading reports and actually look at the words that are printed or spoken and to not report them back on here differently!!!! It's like Chinese whisperes... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Chuckle Posted 12 July, 2009 Share Posted 12 July, 2009 Alan Ball states in his autobiography that his relationship with Lawrie began to become strained towards end. Lawrie kept turning up at training ground to keep an eye on him and Ball didn't like it. I can't see the obsession with a DOF. Name a club who have one and it works well??? It's a wage we don't need to be paying Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papa Shango Posted 12 July, 2009 Share Posted 12 July, 2009 Alan Ball states in his autobiography that his relationship with Lawrie began to become strained towards end. Lawrie kept turning up at training ground to keep an eye on him and Ball didn't like it. I can't see the obsession with a DOF. Name a club who have one and it works well??? It's a wage we don't need to be paying Stoke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calvin Posted 12 July, 2009 Share Posted 12 July, 2009 IMO quin allowed keane to squander millions on average players and virtually unknowns. because quinn gave Roy Keane full backing, regarding the transfers. He believed that Roy Keane could do a great job within the club and had a trustful football relationship. Quinn doesn't have to get involved so heavily, unlike Lowe. That was our downfall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 12 July, 2009 Share Posted 12 July, 2009 (edited) We need a couple of 32ish players one at the back one in the middle. They must have their advanced coaching qualifications and be ready to step into coaching/management. Preferably extensive international experience in the past with captaincy experience, with this being the last playing contract with coaching duties to give them hands on experience. One to be captain the other vice-captain. The manager has to be a strong character who will kick ass the losing mentality out of the club. We don't want any more mystified looks from the players towards the bench, players on the field that know what they are doing are essential. Edited 12 July, 2009 by derry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 13 July, 2009 Share Posted 13 July, 2009 why on earth are so many suggeting people for director of football....? is this the new "lets play the kids" fad..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 13 July, 2009 Share Posted 13 July, 2009 why on earth are so many suggeting people for director of football....? is this the new "lets play the kids" fad..? Could be something to do with Nicola saying there will be a Director of Football? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Chuckle Posted 13 July, 2009 Share Posted 13 July, 2009 Could be something to do with Nicola saying there will be a Director of Football? where has he directly been quoted as saying this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clifford Nelson Posted 13 July, 2009 Share Posted 13 July, 2009 The problem with DoFs in the english game is that the board appoints both them and the manager, which starts the power struggle. The DoF should be the person appointing the manager. There is an old saying that "directors direct, managers manage". It's when that little saying is tampered with things are going wrong. I rather have a DoF with a sporting background making strategic footballing decisions than a few accountants, bankers and commercial managers who are unlikely to get it right unless they are lucky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_stevo Posted 13 July, 2009 Share Posted 13 July, 2009 expect a big name DoF who becomes manager after a few months...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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