CWD Posted 17 August, 2009 Share Posted 17 August, 2009 IMO on his day LH is one of the most talented players at the club. He is a natural wide player with decent delivery which we all agree is needed if we're gonna play Raza and Lambo up front. My question then is why is he yet to play? When he was given the no.11 shirt at the beginning of the season I assumed that meant he was integral to AP's plans. Is it just that he isnt match fit or does AP not rate him? Just really wondering what other people thought about him rather than questioning AP. For the record my midfield for Swindon would be: Lallana - Spiderman - Gillet - Holmes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 17 August, 2009 Share Posted 17 August, 2009 IMO on his day LH is one of the most talented players at the club. He is a natural wide player with decent delivery which we all agree is needed if we're gonna play Raza and Lambo up front. My question then is why is he yet to play? When he was given the no.11 shirt at the beginning of the season I assumed that meant he was integral to AP's plans. Is it just that he isnt match fit or does AP not rate him? Just really wondering what other people thought about him rather than questioning AP. For the record my midfield for Swindon would be: Lallana - Spiderman - Gillet - Holmes I agree, I am a MASSIVE Holmes fan, not got any pace yet he can get past players very easily. Top quality. I assume he isn't match fit yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 17 August, 2009 Share Posted 17 August, 2009 I have heard (only whispers, nothing completely concrete) that Bristol Rovers want him and that's why he wasn't in the squad on Saturday, he's fit AFAIK - but looks like he'll be off. I agree with all you say though, it would be utter madness to sell him IMO. if there are players we need to get rid of from last years disaster, he'd be last on the list.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romsaint Posted 17 August, 2009 Share Posted 17 August, 2009 and +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 17 August, 2009 Share Posted 17 August, 2009 No speed before his injury and now another two yards slower...Needs games away in another team to get match fitness and see if he ever regains those two yards or so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWD Posted 17 August, 2009 Author Share Posted 17 August, 2009 I have heard (only whispers, nothing completely concrete) that Bristol Rovers want him and that's why he wasn't in the squad on Saturday, he's fit AFAIK - but looks like he'll be off. I agree with all you say though, it would be utter madness to sell him IMO. if there are players we need to get rid of from last years disaster, he'd be last on the list.. No way! This would seriously **** me off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eurosaint Posted 17 August, 2009 Share Posted 17 August, 2009 No speed before his injury and now another two yards slower...Needs games away in another team to get match fitness and see if he ever regains those two yards or so. He looked pretty nippy while warming up at HT at the Millwall game, I even commented upon it at the time ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junior Mullet Posted 17 August, 2009 Share Posted 17 August, 2009 Quality player who possesses the technique, motivation and committment we need in a midfield currently made up of lightweights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 17 August, 2009 Share Posted 17 August, 2009 He looked pretty nippy while warming up at HT at the Millwall game, I even commented upon it at the time ! Maybe the few yards are on the way back....Never that speedy for a winger although some attributes in other areas....Still needs match fitness..Not even getting reserve games...Maybe a loan to a lower league team...Are there any still out there.? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 17 August, 2009 Share Posted 17 August, 2009 never been a fan but I 'm not sure he could do worse than the others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 17 August, 2009 Share Posted 17 August, 2009 Quality player who possesses the technique, motivation and committment we need in a midfield currently made up of lightweights. Nothing I've seen from him suggests this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintrich Posted 17 August, 2009 Share Posted 17 August, 2009 Hopefully we'll sell him and bring in another winger who manages to stay fit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clapham Saint Posted 17 August, 2009 Share Posted 17 August, 2009 He looked pretty nippy while warming up at HT at the Millwall game, I even commented upon it at the time ! Officially a FACT! then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 17 August, 2009 Share Posted 17 August, 2009 It concerned the coaching staff when even Murty, Wotton, Perry and Thomas were still outsprinting our top winger in training...............I might be joking about sum of these defenders. The boy might have lost what little legs he had.....Loan him out for his own good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hughieslastminutegoal Posted 17 August, 2009 Share Posted 17 August, 2009 It concerned the coaching staff when even Murty, Wotton, Perry and Thomas were still outsprinting our top winger in training...............I might be joking about sum of these defenders. The boy might have lost what little legs he had.....Loan him out for his own good. Did he have little legs? They probably looked longer when he's stretched out on the treatment table. Apparently you grow quite a bit when you've been lying down a long time and the spine uncompresses. Perhaps the same happens to legs. Still, as you say, he's probably lost them anyway. Maybe he can do good wheelies now, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SFC Forever Posted 17 August, 2009 Share Posted 17 August, 2009 Wotton wouldn't win a race against a statue. He is so slow he always appears to go backwards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
once_bitterne Posted 17 August, 2009 Share Posted 17 August, 2009 Wasn't there the rumour that Holmes was going to be sold to Brizzel Rovers this week? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fowllyd Posted 17 August, 2009 Share Posted 17 August, 2009 Wasn't there the rumour that Holmes was going to be sold to Brizzel Rovers this week? Well, there's one a bit further up this thread! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Samuel Posted 17 August, 2009 Share Posted 17 August, 2009 He started really well last season before getting injured at QPR, been struggling with injuries ever since. hopefully he can stay fit and hold down a place in the team, top quality bloke as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s0108787 Posted 17 August, 2009 Share Posted 17 August, 2009 He started really well last season before getting injured at QPR, been struggling with injuries ever since. hopefully he can stay fit and hold down a place in the team, top quality bloke as well. Completely agree. We should keep him definitely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niceandfriendly Posted 17 August, 2009 Share Posted 17 August, 2009 Agree that he should not be sold whatsoever. I haven't seen much of him but what I have I've been impressed. He's the sort of player which we should be signing and putting straight into the team, so to have one already and be sat on the bench is confusing. Hopefully he's just not quite match fit yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 17 August, 2009 Share Posted 17 August, 2009 He started really well last season before getting injured at QPR, been struggling with injuries ever since. hopefully he can stay fit and hold down a place in the team, top quality bloke as well. The QPR game was only about 5 or 6 into the season. I fail to see that anyone can make a swingeing statement like that on that many games. I saw the Birmingham (league), Blackpool and QPR games. Did not see the Derby and Birmingham (League Cup) but from the 3 games I did see and anything since he came back from injury, I can't say I've been impressed. Another waste of space signing IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 17 August, 2009 Share Posted 17 August, 2009 Wotton wouldn't win a race against a statue. He is so slow he always appears to go backwards. Wotton definitely wouldn't beat this one. A really quick mover. It was there. And then, in a flash Gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wightman35 Posted 17 August, 2009 Share Posted 17 August, 2009 , I can't say I've been impressed. Another waste of space signing IMO. A familiar complaint in these parts! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_lambden Posted 17 August, 2009 Share Posted 17 August, 2009 Not his biggest fan but at the moment we are crying out for a winger who can get some good crosses in for Lambert. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SFC Forever Posted 17 August, 2009 Share Posted 17 August, 2009 Wotton definitely wouldn't beat this one. A really quick mover. It was there. And then, in a flash Gone. Great. Had a good chuckle +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainchris Posted 17 August, 2009 Share Posted 17 August, 2009 IMO on his day LH is one of the most talented players at the club. He is a natural wide player with decent delivery which we all agree is needed if we're gonna play Raza and Lambo up front. My question then is why is he yet to play? When he was given the no.11 shirt at the beginning of the season I assumed that meant he was integral to AP's plans. Is it just that he isnt match fit or does AP not rate him? Just really wondering what other people thought about him rather than questioning AP. For the record my midfield for Swindon would be: Lallana - Spiderman - Gillet - Holmes That makes complete sense! End of story......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L1Minus10 Posted 17 August, 2009 Share Posted 17 August, 2009 The new Perry Groves. He's ok but no more. IMO he didn't do much in the games he did play last year. He has a decent touch but no pace at all so he can't beat a man. He also can't tackle or head a ball which is kind of typical for a Saints midfielder. I think he looks like a decent player but when you actually look at it in the cold light of day, he produces very very little. Also, there's the injury record... it appears to be a different injury every time... A midfield of Lallana, Gillett, Schneiderlin and Holmes as has been suggested, would be an unmitigated lightweight disaster... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 17 August, 2009 Share Posted 17 August, 2009 in one breath we go on about wanting "brick ****houses" at the back...then someone suggests a midfield of probably the 4 weakest players available. jesus christ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 17 August, 2009 Share Posted 17 August, 2009 in one breath we go on about wanting "brick ****houses" at the back...then someone suggests a midfield of probably the 4 weakest players available. jesus christ But Pullis is not there:D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 17 August, 2009 Share Posted 17 August, 2009 But Pullis is not there:D true but shows that fans dont really have a clue and talk out of their/our arses.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inoffthepost Posted 17 August, 2009 Share Posted 17 August, 2009 i don't join many debates but I think, last season, he was always an outlet for Schneiderlin and, in my opinion, we suffered when he got injured. This season I'm thinking Gobern is in front of him and AP probably sees it the same. O.G. has more speed and he can go by players but is not yet aware of the defensive responsibilities that go with the wide midfield position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 17 August, 2009 Share Posted 17 August, 2009 our best performances last season all featured Holmes, Morgan and Gillet. Holmes tore Birmingham apart - twice - and was the only bloke (wth James occasionally) who could hit a ball into the box and find the bloke he was aiming for!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWD Posted 17 August, 2009 Author Share Posted 17 August, 2009 A midfield of Lallana, Gillett, Schneiderlin and Holmes as has been suggested, would be an unmitigated lightweight disaster... I agree with that to a point as I wasnt suggesting that this was the midfield to get us out of the league by any stretch, but it is without doubt the best we can put out atm IMO. The only person who'd make it less lightweight would be wotton, and id rather have inexperienced players than that crap! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SFC Forever Posted 17 August, 2009 Share Posted 17 August, 2009 Surely the manager simply has to say defend first. Anything else comes after. At least then we are better prepared. I thought the whole idea of training was to teach the players how to play. When we attack we are too slow to attack as a single unit so a clearance is likely to fall in the spaces we have left. This is glaringly obvious at times as we see game after game. Oscar should know enough to be able to cover the back if he overlaps as should any midfield player. Christ it is simple logic but we are blatantly unable to do so. Main reason I feel is the total lack of speed in the team. This seems to make the defence jittery and scared to get caught. The midfield has no great pace either and don't track back which highlights the defensive frailty. Our priority has either to be clean sheets or to score more than the other team. We can't have it both ways. Until we have recruited some fleetfooted muscular types we are stuck with what we have. Myself I would like to see AP bring in a CB and a holding midfielder so that we can have a chance of defending our goal. Then with a player like Lambert we are always likely to pinch a goal. So in my book Oscar and James should now both be able to do the job. If they can't it is either a mental defecit or simply because we are just not good enough. I hope Fish is back soon because we looked better with him and Harding working together. Oscar I would give a chance. I would also stress the importance of covering runs and the possibility of a breakout by opponents. It can't always be down to a loss of concentration that causes us so many problems. It might also be worth a chance and going with a 4-3-3 framework to help the midfield concentrate on our defence and keep a presence in the middle of the park. You may disagree but we need to do something different and do it soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Hando Posted 18 August, 2009 Share Posted 18 August, 2009 bristol rovers are "in talks" with saints regarding a season-long loan for lee holmes, the major sticking point being that they cannot afford his wages, and are only prepared to pay 50/50 - in the region of saints paying 2 grand and BR paying 2 grand per week. Incidently my source has also told me that BR only recieved £230,000 upfront for RL, the rest to be paid in installments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanovski Posted 18 August, 2009 Share Posted 18 August, 2009 bristol rovers are "in talks" with saints regarding a season-long loan for lee holmes, the major sticking point being that they cannot afford his wages, and are only prepared to pay 50/50 - in the region of saints paying 2 grand and BR paying 2 grand per week. Incidently my source has also told me that BR only recieved £230,000 upfront for RL, the rest to be paid in installments. not being funny..but doesnt that sound alittle odd ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Hando Posted 18 August, 2009 Share Posted 18 August, 2009 this has come from within BR and i can see no reason my source has lied but well see. BR are also keeping tabs on Tom Craddock but Luton's 500 grand price is too high for BR to afford. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Godfather Posted 18 August, 2009 Share Posted 18 August, 2009 bristol rovers are "in talks" with saints regarding a season-long loan for lee holmes, the major sticking point being that they cannot afford his wages, and are only prepared to pay 50/50 - in the region of saints paying 2 grand and BR paying 2 grand per week. Incidently my source has also told me that BR only recieved £230,000 upfront for RL, the rest to be paid in installments. Regarding Lambert most deals are done like this, unless you've got 'premiership' money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaptopSaint Posted 18 August, 2009 Share Posted 18 August, 2009 our best performances last season all featured Holmes, Morgan and Gillet. Holmes tore Birmingham apart - twice - and was the only bloke (wth James occasionally) who could hit a ball into the box and find the bloke he was aiming for!!!!! I don't think Lee's the answer to all our problems, but I pretty much agree with this. It was that brief 4-5 game period a year ago when there was a misleading sense of optimism about the place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaptopSaint Posted 18 August, 2009 Share Posted 18 August, 2009 bristol rovers are "in talks" with saints regarding a season-long loan for lee holmes, the major sticking point being that they cannot afford his wages, and are only prepared to pay 50/50 - in the region of saints paying 2 grand and BR paying 2 grand per week. Incidently my source has also told me that BR only recieved £230,000 upfront for RL, the rest to be paid in installments. If Brizzle really want us to pay 2 grand a week for one of our players to play for one of our opponents for a year, why don't they knock 104 grand off the price for Lambert so we can afford it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 18 August, 2009 Share Posted 18 August, 2009 I asked the question to a friend at the club and he said LH had an injury.That may be the reason he did not play.I was hoping he would come on against Northampton but Oscar came on instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Without a Halo Posted 18 August, 2009 Share Posted 18 August, 2009 If Brizzle really want us to pay 2 grand a week for one of our players to play for one of our opponents for a year, why don't they knock 104 grand off the price for Lambert so we can afford it? Who says they didn't! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 18 August, 2009 Share Posted 18 August, 2009 Regarding Lambert most deals are done like this, unless you've got 'premiership' money. I think you'll find the majority of prem. deals are done like this now also. Rooney (ok, not a brillaiant exaple) but he cost Manure 10m upfront...then the rest in instalments and specific performance related payments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_bert Posted 18 August, 2009 Share Posted 18 August, 2009 I know this is old, but I bumped into Lee Holmes after the Burnley game last season. I asked him how he was getting on, and he told me he was 100% fit just not being picked by Wotte. At the time I thought typical Wotte decision, but now I wonder I'd it's the way he applies himself in training et. If another manager isn't showing faith in him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Wayman Posted 18 August, 2009 Share Posted 18 August, 2009 IMO on his day LH is one of the most talented players at the club. He is a natural wide player with decent delivery which we all agree is needed if we're gonna play Raza and Lambo up front. My question then is why is he yet to play? When he was given the no.11 shirt at the beginning of the season I assumed that meant he was integral to AP's plans. Is it just that he isnt match fit or does AP not rate him? Just really wondering what other people thought about him rather than questioning AP. For the record my midfield for Swindon would be: Lallana - Spiderman - Gillet - Holmes Ask Pardew! Anyway, it is normal for managers to have their favourites and prejudices. Pardew is obviously not into Simon Gillett probably 'cos he speaks with a cotton accent and is vertically challenged. Same with Holmes 'innit. I mean if all the players are roughly on a par with skill, fitness etc. (i.e. all Effing useless) he might as well pick the ones he's best mates with. And, don't forget this is a BIG League for BIG MEN apparently. If he has to bend down to talk to them and can't understand what they're saying, "forget it!" That's why they are 'overlooked' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 18 August, 2009 Share Posted 18 August, 2009 Think Holmes looked technically pretty good in the few games that he played last season, and very much agree that he was very adept at swinging in a telling cross. Makes me wonder a little what many of our fans actually want in our first 11, one minute they are screaming out for a solid league 1 bruising outfit, and then as TDD rightfully pointed out they are happy to have a midfield quartet with the solidarity of wet tissue paper (not the one with the trannie's in the advert either ) The problem is that Holmes is just not quick enough, we have been screaming out for pacy wingers and now we are happy to have a bloke that was never ever the quickest, and from the reports i have heard has lost more pace ?? I would rather have fish who i believed looked very good playing down the left flank, he provides pace and also understands the needs to get back and cover. Also, Raz and Lambert is not the way to go, i would like to see either A. Building through the centre of the park and allow Lallana to play off of Lambert, or perhaps B. Play Pato next to him, i thought he looked fantastic against Millwall, hounding defenders and making a nuissance. IMO, if Holmes can get a loan move, then i would accept it, lets see if he can get match fit, but unfortunately i think he will be one of those players that just keeps getting injured. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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