saint lard Posted 14 November, 2009 Share Posted 14 November, 2009 (edited) Hopefully Stockport will get nothing today also.... 12:05Huddersfield vs Wycombe15:00Brentford vs Millwall15:00Bristol Rovers vs Carlisle15:00Charlton vs Milton Keynes Dons15:00Colchester vs Exeter15:00Gillingham vs Oldham15:00Hartlepool vs Leyton Orient15:00Norwich vs Tranmere15:00Walsall vs Stockport15:00Yeovil vs Southend All being well,out of the relegation zone Sunday evening. Let's push on from there. Edited 14 November, 2009 by saint lard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
channonball Posted 14 November, 2009 Share Posted 14 November, 2009 How on earth is 6-0 doing us a favour? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint lard Posted 14 November, 2009 Author Share Posted 14 November, 2009 How on earth is 6-0 doing us a favour? My first concern is getting out of the relegation zone,wycombe losing asissts us in doing so. Whatever comes after that,all well and good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedAndWhite91 Posted 14 November, 2009 Share Posted 14 November, 2009 How on earth is 6-0 doing us a favour? Wouldn't it be worse if all the teams in our immediate vicinity were winning each week? Right now what happens at the top of the table doesn't affect us as much as what happens at the bottom of the table, so it is doing us a favour, as we need the teams around us to keep losing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted 14 November, 2009 Share Posted 14 November, 2009 Not remotely bothered about getting out the drop zone tonight. If anything I'd rather the teams in the top half dropped points, which would give us a better chance of making the playoffs. If this team carries on playing like this, there is no way on Earth we will get relegated. I'd rather things stayed fairly tight in the middle so that we have an outside chance of sneaking the top 6 around March or April time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 14 November, 2009 Share Posted 14 November, 2009 Not remotely bothered about getting out the drop zone tonight. If anything I'd rather the teams in the top half dropped points, which would give us a better chance of making the playoffs. If this team carries on playing like this, there is no way on Earth we will get relegated. I'd rather things stayed fairly tight in the middle so that we have an outside chance of sneaking the top 6 around March or April time. Neither am I! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 14 November, 2009 Share Posted 14 November, 2009 Not remotely bothered about getting out the drop zone tonight. If anything I'd rather the teams in the top half dropped points, which would give us a better chance of making the playoffs. If this team carries on playing like this, there is no way on Earth we will get relegated. I'd rather things stayed fairly tight in the middle so that we have an outside chance of sneaking the top 6 around March or April time. Exactly. People saying it's good that the top teams are beating the teams around us are being more than a little simple-minded IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedAndWhite91 Posted 14 November, 2009 Share Posted 14 November, 2009 Exactly. People saying it's good that the top teams are beating the teams around us are being more than a little simple-minded IMO. Well not really, considering if teams like Wycombe and Stockport and Tranmere all go on a winning streak then it will ultimately be more difficult for us to move up the table, especially if we lose a couple of games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 14 November, 2009 Share Posted 14 November, 2009 Exactly. People saying it's good that the top teams are beating the teams around us are being more than a little simple-minded IMO. Yep. It's the teams near the top we want losing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 14 November, 2009 Share Posted 14 November, 2009 Well not really, considering if teams like Wycombe and Stockport and Tranmere all go on a winning streak then it will ultimately be more difficult for us to move up the table, especially if we lose a couple of games. No you're wrong. Being honest, is it really very likely that the likes of tranmere and wycombe (and most other teams near the bottom) are going to finish above us this season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 14 November, 2009 Share Posted 14 November, 2009 Well not really, considering if teams like Wycombe and Stockport and Tranmere all go on a winning streak then it will ultimately be more difficult for us to move up the table, especially if we lose a couple of games. If my auntie had ******** etc... Quite simply, if 6 teams that are currently doing quite well maintain their form then we won't be able to make the play-offs unless we produce monumental form between now and the end of the season. Anything which condenses the league and stops the top teams maintaining their current form is a good thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedAndWhite91 Posted 14 November, 2009 Share Posted 14 November, 2009 If my auntie had ******** etc... Quite simply, if 6 teams that are currently doing quite well maintain their form then we won't be able to make the play-offs unless we produce monumental form between now and the end of the season. Anything which condenses the league and stops the top teams maintaining their current form is a good thing. Yeah I also agree with that, I guess there needs to be some sort of equilibrium between the top teams and the bottom teams in relation to wins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slickmick Posted 14 November, 2009 Share Posted 14 November, 2009 Yep. It's the teams near the top we want losing! yep Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 14 November, 2009 Share Posted 14 November, 2009 Yeah I also agree with that, I guess there needs to be some sort of equilibrium between the top teams and the bottom teams in relation to wins. Good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted 14 November, 2009 Share Posted 14 November, 2009 Well not really, considering if teams like Wycombe and Stockport and Tranmere all go on a winning streak then it will ultimately be more difficult for us to move up the table, especially if we lose a couple of games. If they do go on a winning streak, they will be taking points off the top teams, which will help our playoff campaign. There are no prizes for whoever gets out the relegation zone quickest. I know this is exagerating things, but I'd rather get out of the drop zone on 1st March and make it into the playoffs on 1st April. Rather than be out the drop zone come Sunday evening and still 6 points adrift of the playoffs when Saaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaafend come to SMS at the end of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 14 November, 2009 Share Posted 14 November, 2009 Yeah I also agree with that, I guess there needs to be some sort of equilibrium between the top teams and the bottom teams in relation to wins. We need the teams just above us to have good form but slightly worse than us and we want the teams near the top to have the worst form possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 14 November, 2009 Share Posted 14 November, 2009 Wouldn't it be worse if all the teams in our immediate vicinity were winning each week? Right now what happens at the top of the table doesn't affect us as much as what happens at the bottom of the table, so it is doing us a favour, as we need the teams around us to keep losing. No, not really, because it would mean they were beating teams further up the league. Wycombe, Tranmere and Stockport are not really our rivals - you need to remember that over the course of 15 games we have scored 10 or more points then them. That would suggest we will do at least as well again over the next 15 games and so on (perhaps even better based on our recent form). Huddersfield thrashing Wycombe is actually bad news in the longer term, since it is teams like Huddersfield who are our main rivals for a possible play-off position. As things stand at the moment, the top half of the table is not coming back to us, most of the top half win and most of the bottom half except us lose - bad news for us, we need bottom teams to beat or draw with top teams more often to close things up and give us a chance of top 6 finish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonManager Posted 14 November, 2009 Share Posted 14 November, 2009 It's quite simple - every game apart from ours needs to be a draw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Windmill Arm 2 Posted 14 November, 2009 Share Posted 14 November, 2009 Bollix to all this, if I was Pards i would be saying, **** WHAT THE REST ARE DOING, JUST KEEP WINNING. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted 14 November, 2009 Share Posted 14 November, 2009 Bollix to all this, if I was Pards i would be saying, **** WHAT THE REST ARE DOING, JUST KEEP WINNING. Obviously, but the truth is it's out of our hands. We need to convinvingly outperform about 17 teams above us for the rest of the season. That will require the teams nearer the top having a few coque-ups. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedAndWhite91 Posted 14 November, 2009 Share Posted 14 November, 2009 No, not really, because it would mean they were beating teams further up the league. Wycombe, Tranmere and Stockport are not really our rivals - you need to remember that over the course of 15 games we have scored 10 or more points then them. That would suggest we will do at least as well again over the next 15 games and so on (perhaps even better based on our recent form). Huddersfield thrashing Wycombe is actually bad news in the longer term, since it is teams like Huddersfield who are our main rivals for a possible play-off position. As things stand at the moment, the top half of the table is not coming back to us, most of the top half win and most of the bottom half except us lose - bad news for us, we need bottom teams to beat or draw with top teams more often to close things up and give us a chance of top 6 finish. Hmm yeah I guess. Good point. I'll retract all previous statements and agree with this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beavis17 Posted 14 November, 2009 Share Posted 14 November, 2009 i think the thing to remember is that its mid-november not mid-march or april, these teams will have bad patches how many times around the march/april time do you see the teams in and around the play-offs start to falter as the nerves kick in and other teams lower down the table take advantage tbh as i see it now we'll make a late dash for the play-offs from mid table and that will suit us perfectly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperMikey Posted 14 November, 2009 Share Posted 14 November, 2009 I think we need the teams in and around our area in the table to be losing matches, it'll make it easier for us to move up the table. Let's be honest, we're not going to get automatic promotion, and I personally think that the play-offs are still a distant shot. I think we'll finish between 7th and 10th this season, and we should be happy with that. I couldn't care if the teams at the top keep winning, because we're not going to be troubling them anyway, so lets hope all the top teams beat out table neighbours! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigtonesfc Posted 14 November, 2009 Share Posted 14 November, 2009 i think the thing to remember is that its mid-november not mid-march or april, these teams will have bad patches how many times around the march/april time do you see the teams in and around the play-offs start to falter as the nerves kick in and other teams lower down the table take advantage tbh as i see it now we'll make a late dash for the play-offs from mid table and that will suit us perfectly I thought we were already making a dash for the play offs! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonManager Posted 14 November, 2009 Share Posted 14 November, 2009 I think we need the teams in and around our area in the table to be losing matches, it'll make it easier for us to move up the table. Let's be honest, we're not going to get automatic promotion, and I personally think that the play-offs are still a distant shot. I think we'll finish between 7th and 10th this season, and we should be happy with that. I couldn't care if the teams at the top keep winning, because we're not going to be troubling them anyway, so lets hope all the top teams beat out table neighbours! Incoming!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonManager Posted 14 November, 2009 Share Posted 14 November, 2009 David Niven has just scored for Elgin - I say, how suave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicestersaint Posted 14 November, 2009 Share Posted 14 November, 2009 We just have to keep winning and then we can look up in January and find ourselves heading for the play offs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 14 November, 2009 Share Posted 14 November, 2009 We just have to keep winning and then we can look up in January and find ourselves heading for the play offs. Still a bit sceptical about any play-off talk just now. We are too far behind at the moment for it to be considered as a definite possibility this season.Quite honestly I can't see us getting 12 more points than Norwich,Huddersfield orMK Dons in the 3O games left after tomorrow. Colchester is a possibilty on an outside bet but I wouldn't count on it personally.We could improve our chances by beating Norwich twice but it still may not be enough.At the end of the day I believe that our slow start to the season will cost us a play-off place by 3 or 4 points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperMikey Posted 14 November, 2009 Share Posted 14 November, 2009 Incoming!!!!!!!!! I think you can forgive a little negativity from a fan after the past few years this club has experienced! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 14 November, 2009 Share Posted 14 November, 2009 I say we should appeal the 10 points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 14 November, 2009 Share Posted 14 November, 2009 I say we should appeal the 10 points. In the words of Carole King-It's too late Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastleighSoulBoy Posted 14 November, 2009 Share Posted 14 November, 2009 It's quite simple - every game apart from ours needs to be a draw. Exactly! And we need to win ours....more importantly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastleighSoulBoy Posted 14 November, 2009 Share Posted 14 November, 2009 Still a bit sceptical about any play-off talk just now. We are too far behind at the moment for it to be considered as a definite possibility this season.Quite honestly I can't see us getting 12 more points than Norwich,Huddersfield orMK Dons in the 3O games left after tomorrow. Colchester is a possibilty on an outside bet but I wouldn't count on it personally.We could improve our chances by beating Norwich twice but it still may not be enough.At the end of the day I believe that our slow start to the season will cost us a play-off place by 3 or 4 points. That may well be the case but if so? I'll still be a very happy bunny with next season to look forward to. Especially the local derby where we should get six points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gigersaint Posted 14 November, 2009 Share Posted 14 November, 2009 Could be 3 points closer to Colchester and Mk Dons if we secure a win tomorrow as it stands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teamsaint Posted 14 November, 2009 Share Posted 14 November, 2009 At this stage its just important to get up the table as quickly as possible. If we can get within realistic range of a play off spot, it will at least keep the last 10 games or so really exciting, which give the calamities of the last few years is about as good as we can hope for. FWIW, if our best 4 or 5 players stay injury free, and we win a couple of key games, ( EG MK and Col u away) we might just do it. Worth hoping for anyway!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 14 November, 2009 Share Posted 14 November, 2009 Still a bit sceptical about any play-off talk just now. We are too far behind at the moment for it to be considered as a definite possibility this season.Quite honestly I can't see us getting 12 more points than Norwich,Huddersfield orMK Dons in the 3O games left after tomorrow. Colchester is a possibilty on an outside bet but I wouldn't count on it personally.We could improve our chances by beating Norwich twice but it still may not be enough.At the end of the day I believe that our slow start to the season will cost us a play-off place by 3 or 4 points. not sure what you mean by that bit. definite for play offs? No way. possibility? Definitely! Form, ever since this team has been together is enough for play offs. It over a decent length of time so not just flash in the pan. likely? Who knows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vince Posted 14 November, 2009 Share Posted 14 November, 2009 At this stage its just important to get up the table as quickly as possible. If we can get within realistic range of a play off spot, it will at least keep the last 10 games or so really exciting, which give the calamities of the last few years is about as good as we can hope for. FWIW, if our best 4 or 5 players stay injury free, and we win a couple of key games, ( EG MK and Col u away) we might just do it. Worth hoping for anyway!! Just having a quick look at the table. We've played 6 of the top 10 once already, and lost only two of those (Huddersfield - played at the beginning of the season, enough said, Brizzel - last minute wonder goal), so we can gain 6 points over the other 4 by doing the double. However, gaining ground on the playoffs will be a slow process and one we won't be able to do every week - win tomorrow and we're still 12 points behind the play off's, as Huddersfield won today and the're in the last spot so we have to take advantage when we can and not slip up which will take a lot of luck, especially around Jan/Feb when accumulated booking suspensions start to kick in. For the first time in my life supporting Saints, I think we should be beating anyone, anywhere, in this division with this squad, but realistically that's not going to happen. I'm just damn pleased to have a team to be proud of right now, personally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonManager Posted 14 November, 2009 Share Posted 14 November, 2009 As long as it remains mathematically possible, then I'm sure the team will be giving it 110% for the gaffer. (Wins 'best in show' rosette for stating the blindingly obvious through use of football cliches).=D> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cat Posted 14 November, 2009 Share Posted 14 November, 2009 In a way it might be nice not to go up so we can walk the league with a record points tally next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 14 November, 2009 Share Posted 14 November, 2009 If we don't go up, we could at least be the biggest party spoilers in the league ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 14 November, 2009 Share Posted 14 November, 2009 Exactly. People saying it's good that the top teams are beating the teams around us are being more than a little simple-minded IMO. Quite right I would have preferred Huddersfield lost although that was pretty unlikely Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 14 November, 2009 Share Posted 14 November, 2009 In a way it might be nice not to go up so we can walk the league with a record points tally next season. If we don't go up that would mean we will have been losing games to the same teams who will be in the league next season. In my view if we do not go up this season, going up next will be even harder. We are not currently losing to anyone and are winning the majority of our games. Let's keep it that way and go up this season, thanks!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granadino Posted 14 November, 2009 Share Posted 14 November, 2009 Recent history suggests 71-76 points to reach sixth place. That leaves us requiring 59-64 points from our remaining 31 games, so roughly 2 points averaged per game. Far from a certainty, but possible if we can keep our recent form going. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panda Posted 14 November, 2009 Share Posted 14 November, 2009 Lots of speculation here so let's use some logic. If we take the points gained over the last 6 games to give a 'current form average' and multiply by the number of games remaining and then add in the points accumulated so far the top of the table at the end of the season looks like this: 1 Norwich 103 2 Millwall 95 3 Leeds 93 4 MK Dons 89 5 Huddersfield 87 6 Colchester 84 7 Southampton 79 8 Hartlepool 78 9 Charlton 77 10 Yeovil 76 So if all the teams in the league maintain their current form for the rest of the season we cannot make the play-offs this year. Huddersfield and/or Colchester have to go right off the boil whilst we have to drop no more than four points every six games. Its not being negative to say the play-offs are not a realistic proposition this year, I think it is being pragmatic. But it could be very close and we are going to have a mighty exciting season. Turning briefly to the JPT draw with a tie against Norwich. Over the last six games Norwich have won five and lost one and are the top in form side, a better current record than ours in the league. So, despite our good run, victory against Norwich is far from certain with 2-2 written all over it - then its down to penalties. There is far too much excitement this season for an old chap like me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granadino Posted 14 November, 2009 Share Posted 14 November, 2009 Lots of speculation here so let's use some logic. If we take the points gained over the last 6 games to give a 'current form average' and multiply by the number of games remaining and then add in the points accumulated so far the top of the table at the end of the season looks like this: 1 Norwich 103 2 Millwall 95 3 Leeds 93 4 MK Dons 89 5 Huddersfield 87 6 Colchester 84 7 Southampton 79 8 Hartlepool 78 9 Charlton 77 10 Yeovil 76 So if all the teams in the league maintain their current form for the rest of the season we cannot make the play-offs this year. Huddersfield and/or Colchester have to go right off the boil whilst we have to drop no more than four points every six games. Its not being negative to say the play-offs are not a realistic proposition this year, I think it is being pragmatic. But it could be very close and we are going to have a mighty exciting season. Turning briefly to the JPT draw with a tie against Norwich. Over the last six games Norwich have won five and lost one and are the top in form side, a better current record than ours in the league. So, despite our good run, victory against Norwich is far from certain with 2-2 written all over it - then its down to penalties. There is far too much excitement this season for an old chap like me. Although this is very cleverly worked out, it is very unlikely that 7 or 8 teams will maintain their form over the entire season, and I would be extremely surprised if there were that many points required for the play-offs. 1 or 2 teams maintaining good form is possible, we just have to hope we are on of them, IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 14 November, 2009 Share Posted 14 November, 2009 exactly, only needs one of those 4 above us to drop form for a few weeks. I would say the biggest thing is us maintaining form - if we do it is very unlikely we won't be in play offs imho. will we maintain form - who knows! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panda Posted 14 November, 2009 Share Posted 14 November, 2009 "Although this is very cleverly worked out, it is very unlikely that 7 or 8 teams will maintain their form over the entire season, and I would be extremely surprised if there were that many points required for the play-offs. 1 or 2 teams maintaining good form is possible, we just have to hope we are on of them, IMO." You are of course quite right! When was football logical and pure statistics? Charlton beating MK Dons 5-1 today is a clear indicator of that and makes the presumptions I used totally wrong. However, the premiss put forward was that if we maintain our current form we will make the play-off's and I am merely pointing out that if we maintain our form then we must consider it reasonable for the other teams to maintain their form too and as a result we would not make it this year. However, I went on to say that it could be very close and that it is going to be an exciting end to the season. In the end it will be decided on the pitch and not on this forum! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 14 November, 2009 Share Posted 14 November, 2009 exactly, only needs one of those 4 above us to drop form for a few weeks. I would say the biggest thing is us maintaining form - if we do it is very unlikely we won't be in play offs imho. will we maintain form - who knows! Plus if we beat them then it's a six point swing in our favour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Munster Posted 14 November, 2009 Share Posted 14 November, 2009 Lots of speculation here so let's use some logic. If we take the points gained over the last 6 games to give a 'current form average' and multiply by the number of games remaining and then add in the points accumulated so far the top of the table at the end of the season looks like this: 1 Norwich 103 2 Millwall 95 3 Leeds 93 4 MK Dons 89 5 Huddersfield 87 6 Colchester 84 7 Southampton 79 8 Hartlepool 78 9 Charlton 77 10 Yeovil 76 So if all the teams in the league maintain their current form for the rest of the season we cannot make the play-offs this year. Huddersfield and/or Colchester have to go right off the boil whilst we have to drop no more than four points every six games. Its not being negative to say the play-offs are not a realistic proposition this year, I think it is being pragmatic. But it could be very close and we are going to have a mighty exciting season. Turning briefly to the JPT draw with a tie against Norwich. Over the last six games Norwich have won five and lost one and are the top in form side, a better current record than ours in the league. So, despite our good run, victory against Norwich is far from certain with 2-2 written all over it - then its down to penalties. There is far too much excitement this season for an old chap like me. 7th may be high enough to get into the playoffs. http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/forum/showpost.php?p=503470&postcount=3423 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panda Posted 14 November, 2009 Share Posted 14 November, 2009 7th may be high enough to get into the playoffs. http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/forum/showpost.php?p=503470&postcount=3423 LOVL! What amazing foresight Mr Munster; 7th is good enough and I have shown that is as good as ours! Happiness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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