TijuanaTim Posted 5 December, 2009 Share Posted 5 December, 2009 Watching Mank Schity right now and Bridger is stinking the place up (yet again)... On that thought, is it just me or did we really get the best out of (at least) this three, get shedloads of dosh for them and then like a Nov 5th firework they kinda fizzled out after their bright starts? Maybe I'm being premature? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 5 December, 2009 Share Posted 5 December, 2009 theo is still good...just bloody injured Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 5 December, 2009 Share Posted 5 December, 2009 The other two names couldn't lace Williams boots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted 5 December, 2009 Share Posted 5 December, 2009 We easily got the best out of Beattie too. Not to mention Dean Richards and, thus far, Gareth Bale. Lallana ye' be warned! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Landrew Posted 5 December, 2009 Share Posted 5 December, 2009 The other two names couldn't lace Williams boots. Until he moved to Arsenal. I bet someone of the attitude of Arsene Wenger wouldn't have let Stevie slide. Theo will be all right. Wayne Bridge has always slightly missed his partner CMFG. Theo will be fine now, after a very slow start at Arsenal, but don't forget Gareth Bale, who most definitely left Saints too soon, IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Landrew Posted 5 December, 2009 Share Posted 5 December, 2009 (edited) We easily got the best out of Beattie too. Not to mention Dean Richards and, thus far, Gareth Bale. Lallana ye' be warned! He was, by Pardew. That's why he is still at Saints. Edited 5 December, 2009 by St Landrew Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TijuanaTim Posted 5 December, 2009 Author Share Posted 5 December, 2009 Yeah Bale too....like t!ts on a boar hog - useless!! Richards and Beattie and Richard Hall we had the best out and made good money...not really the same thing tho' as we bought them in the first place... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 5 December, 2009 Share Posted 5 December, 2009 "Bale the defender" left too soon. "Bale the attacking full-back" is potentially a world class player, but "Bale the defender" is not Prem standard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TijuanaTim Posted 6 December, 2009 Author Share Posted 6 December, 2009 "Bale the defender" left too soon. "Bale the attacking full-back" is potentially a world class player, but "Bale the defender" is not Prem standard. Cannot argue with any of that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 6 December, 2009 Share Posted 6 December, 2009 So expanding debate other than Shearer, Flowers and Chivers who else has won anything after jumping of the good ship SFC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 6 December, 2009 Share Posted 6 December, 2009 thought Bale was pretty poor for months here before he left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AussieDog Posted 6 December, 2009 Share Posted 6 December, 2009 Andy Townsend in particular who was one who did heaps better once he left us, and I would think Tim Flowers and Rod Wallace are two others who would be more than happy with their post-Saints careers as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 6 December, 2009 Share Posted 6 December, 2009 I wonder how much better Le Tis would have got if he went to Man U..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 6 December, 2009 Share Posted 6 December, 2009 Shearer -never heard of him again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 6 December, 2009 Share Posted 6 December, 2009 jeff Kenna did ok leaving saints.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redondo Saint Posted 6 December, 2009 Share Posted 6 December, 2009 Kevin Philips, Dennis Wise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Godfather Posted 6 December, 2009 Share Posted 6 December, 2009 Kevin Philips, Dennis Wise They were never first teamers, Phillips was a right back when he was with our youth setup and Wise left because he was home sick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 6 December, 2009 Share Posted 6 December, 2009 Alf Ramsey did OK Lets not forget Surman, also left too soon, hardly getting a sniff at Wolves - unused sub for team in bottom 3 of Prem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 6 December, 2009 Share Posted 6 December, 2009 So expanding debate other than Shearer' date=' Flowers and Chivers who else has won anything after jumping of the good ship SFC[/quote'] Mickey Channon won the league Cup with Norwich Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stardustonmyfeet Posted 6 December, 2009 Share Posted 6 December, 2009 Didn't Theo get a hat-trick for England in his last game fairly recently? That's not what I call fizzling out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 6 December, 2009 Share Posted 6 December, 2009 Didn't Theo get a hat-trick for England in his last game fairly recently? That's not what I call fizzling out. And if he's fit, he WILL be going to his SECOND World Cup finals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westofshannonsaint Posted 6 December, 2009 Share Posted 6 December, 2009 jeff Kenna did ok leaving saints.. had a good season as manager & bit part player with Galway Utd (my local team) the season before last. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aardvark Posted 6 December, 2009 Share Posted 6 December, 2009 So expanding debate other than Shearer' date=' Flowers and Chivers who else has won anything after jumping of the good ship SFC[/quote'] Rod Wallace Danny Wallace Peter Crouch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Lungs Posted 6 December, 2009 Share Posted 6 December, 2009 (edited) Wayne Bridge was never the same after his injury. At Fulham he did OK but when he returned to Chelsea, he looked like he'd lost more than a yard of pace and alot of confidence. At City he's got even worse. Sadly, it looks as though his best days are well behind him now. Gareth Bale, however, has far, far more potential than Wayne Bridge and is of course, much younger. Redknapp's stripped him of confidence completely and you can see that in his performances. A move to a club where he would be encouraged by the manager (Hodgson, Pulis etc) and not pillored would invigorate him. Bale, for me, still has the ability to become a world class left back/wing back/winger - he just needs an arm round his shoulder and a manager who believes in him. Whatever you think of Burley, he gave that to Bale - as he did to Kenwyne Jones. Who remembers Kenwyne's dramatic transformation from League Two clogger to Premiership potential? It was almost overnight... I remember watching him the weeks before the Birimingham home match and wondering if he'd ever reach beyond 'raw' - within a few weeks, he did. Touch, movement, heading, shooting - everything suddenly all clicked into place. I guess what I'm trying to say is ... don't write off any raw but naturally gifted footballers. On the other hand, I actually think Theo is far more of an athelete than a footballer - and it still shows. He's still got far more developing to do as a footballer than Bale, Jones etc.. Edited 6 December, 2009 by Crab Lungs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordswoodsaints Posted 6 December, 2009 Share Posted 6 December, 2009 Out of those 3 the only one I was genuinly gutted about leaving was Williams,the other 2 was just good business but Williams (the gerrard of his day) was a big loss IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winnersaint Posted 6 December, 2009 Share Posted 6 December, 2009 Out of those 3 the only one I was genuinly gutted about leaving was Williams,the other 2 was just good business but Williams (the gerrard of his day) was a big loss IMO. In one of my thoughtful moments I was trying to compare Stevie Williams with a modern day counterpart and Gerrard was the only one I could come with. Without wanting to patronise those who were unable to see him play in the red and white, at his peak he was that good. A contemporary of Hoddle's he was a far better all round player. Prodded and prompted by Bally he didn't beat people with pace but he had a sublime sort of drift movement that carried him past players. Never the same when he went to the Gooners even though they were his team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Saints Posted 6 December, 2009 Share Posted 6 December, 2009 Bale is the best I've seen at Saints at his age. At times during the play-off season he was our best defender, midfielder and attacker at the same time. Give him a run of games in the Prem and he will do very well instead of throwing him in at the deep end every now and again (like today). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 6 December, 2009 Share Posted 6 December, 2009 Ruddock never fulfilled his potential on leaving Saints in my view. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psycrow Posted 6 December, 2009 Share Posted 6 December, 2009 I see the Bale curse struck again today. He still hasn't been on a winning Spurs side has he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 7 December, 2009 Share Posted 7 December, 2009 I see the Bale curse struck again today. He still hasn't been on a winning Spurs side has he? Nope, i feel sorry for him, but he was one of the reasons spurs didn't win that game. His defending for their first goal was atrocious and in the build up to the 2nd, he gave the ball away. He totally needs a loan deal and again it's a fine example to the likes of Lallana and Morgan...that grass isn't always greener. Look at Fabian Delph at Villa too - was a star for Leeds, played week in week out - gets the move to the prem in jan and has made an astonishing 4 appearances...just 4. Although I've heard he's a star in the reserves. Bostock too.....was playing at Palace, spurs come sniffing...off he trotts. Where is he now? a division below palace, playing for brentford. If Lallana has any sense, he'll stay here. We'll be in the prem. before long. - and he'll be more than ready for the step up by then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Lungs Posted 7 December, 2009 Share Posted 7 December, 2009 Nope, i feel sorry for him, but he was one of the reasons spurs didn't win that game. His defending for their first goal was atrocious and in the build up to the 2nd, he gave the ball away. He totally needs a loan deal and again it's a fine example to the likes of Lallana and Morgan...that grass isn't always greener. Look at Fabian Delph at Villa too - was a star for Leeds, played week in week out - gets the move to the prem in jan and has made an astonishing 4 appearances...just 4. Although I've heard he's a star in the reserves. Bostock too.....was playing at Palace, spurs come sniffing...off he trotts. Where is he now? a division below palace, playing for brentford. If Lallana has any sense, he'll stay here. We'll be in the prem. before long. - and he'll be more than ready for the step up by then. Have to defend Bale on teh first goal. Whilst he allowed too much space between him and the defender, the clearance before hand was absolutely diabolical. Agree with you about Delph, he was absolutely superb. He's got everything and should be a future England international in the future... but he might have to do the traditional step down to make a step up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 7 December, 2009 Share Posted 7 December, 2009 Steve Williams at his peak was superb only weakness was did not score enough goals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chocco boxo Posted 7 December, 2009 Share Posted 7 December, 2009 Steve Williams made things look so easy, he glided across the pitch it seemed. What I really liked about him was he was not scared of anyone, even Sounnes knew he had played against our Steve. Bale will end up at Wolves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordswoodsaints Posted 7 December, 2009 Share Posted 7 December, 2009 In one of my thoughtful moments I was trying to compare Stevie Williams with a modern day counterpart and Gerrard was the only one I could come with. Without wanting to patronise those who were unable to see him play in the red and white, at his peak he was that good. A contemporary of Hoddle's he was a far better all round player. Prodded and prompted by Bally he didn't beat people with pace but he had a sublime sort of drift movement that carried him past players. Never the same when he went to the Gooners even though they were his team. Agree,there are a lot on here who would have never seen Williams play so it's difficult for them to compare. When he went to arsenal he didn't have bally at his side to keep him in line,if he would stayed a couple more seasons with bally as his mentor then I think his training would have been complete and he would have become one of the best players in Europe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 7 December, 2009 Share Posted 7 December, 2009 (edited) jeff Kenna did ok leaving saints.. Blackburn did OK.They got Kenna, Flowers and Shearer from us..and THEIR best deal was unloading Dixon and Speedie on us. It took away a big part of the Shearer fee... and then those two scarcely played a dozen games each before going.:mad: We really got scre*ed there. ......... and along with the Charlie (mind yer fingers) George deal. £600k was a lotta' money ..especially in 1978. (one of the few times that a Lawrie Mac deal went sour !) Edited 7 December, 2009 by david in sweden Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Ron fan Posted 7 December, 2009 Share Posted 7 December, 2009 You've got your timelines wrong. Bally played his last Saints game (I think) in autumn '82, a dramatic 3-2 win over Everton in which he missed a penalty. (I was there!) Williams didn't leave until Dec '84, long after Bally left. His form had been even better after Bally left and got him into the England side for several games. I think he got 'tapped up' on England duty and that eventually led to him going, after which he was never picked in another England squad. Agree,there are a lot on here who would have never seen Williams play so it's difficult for them to compare. When he went to arsenal he didn't have bally at his side to keep him in line,if he would stayed a couple more seasons with bally as his mentor then I think his training would have been complete and he would have become one of the best players in Europe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hughieslastminutegoal Posted 7 December, 2009 Share Posted 7 December, 2009 So expanding debate other than Shearer' date=' Flowers and Chivers who else has won anything after jumping of the good ship SFC[/quote'] So how does this sentiment fit in with the often-expressed notion that we had a world class academy? ....Oh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 7 December, 2009 Share Posted 7 December, 2009 Blackburn did OK.They got Kenna, Flowers and Shearer from us..and THEIR best deal was unloading Dixon and Speedie on us. It took away a big part of the Shearer fee... and then those two scarcely played a dozen games each before going.:mad: We really got scre*ed there. ......... and along with the Charlie (mind yer fingers) George deal. £600k was a lotta' money ..especially in 1978. (one of the few times that a Lawrie Mac deal went sour !) Totally agree with the above. Not forgetting we also got Groves (already injured and finished) and Marshall (never really started a career) later from the Arse. Ripley was also a waste of money from Blackburn....Injured and could never really be bothered.:mad: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenridge Posted 7 December, 2009 Share Posted 7 December, 2009 Bridge needs a Marsden. What a duo. Bridge's main problem is that he can hardly stand on his right foot let alone kick with it. This was always going to be a huge weakness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red&white56 Posted 7 December, 2009 Share Posted 7 December, 2009 Kevin Davies has had a better career since he left Saints (eventhought we got £7+ million for him). I can never fathom out why we re-signed him and then never played him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 7 December, 2009 Share Posted 7 December, 2009 So perhaps selling players has not been a bad thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyNorthernSaints Posted 7 December, 2009 Share Posted 7 December, 2009 The few times i've watched Citeeh this season Bridge has had no help what so ever from left midfield and been exposed as a result. Robinio/Bellend Bellamy etc are not helping him and if he's not careful he wont be going to the world cup as there are a few left backs pushing for his squad place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fowllyd Posted 7 December, 2009 Share Posted 7 December, 2009 You've got your timelines wrong. Bally played his last Saints game (I think) in autumn '82, a dramatic 3-2 win over Everton in which he missed a penalty. (I was there!) Williams didn't leave until Dec '84, long after Bally left. His form had been even better after Bally left and got him into the England side for several games. I think he got 'tapped up' on England duty and that eventually led to him going, after which he was never picked in another England squad. Was about to post much the same, then saw yours. When Williams left he was at his peak, a terrific midfielder. We all used to sing that he was better than Hoddle - and he was, too. But then he went to Arsenal - a team which, at that time, didn't really bother too much about the midfield. So he spent a couple of seasons simply watching the ball go over his head a lot of the time. Then they moved him on to Luton (I think). Comparisons to Steven Gerrard are not misplaced I think, though Williams never scored as many goals as he perhaps should have done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TijuanaTim Posted 7 December, 2009 Author Share Posted 7 December, 2009 Didn't Theo get a hat-trick for England in his last game fairly recently? That's not what I call fizzling out. Theo = Fantastic + Theo = Fragile Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TijuanaTim Posted 7 December, 2009 Author Share Posted 7 December, 2009 Out of those 3 the only one I was genuinly gutted about leaving was Williams,the other 2 was just good business but Williams (the gerrard of his day) was a big loss IMO. Agree Saints Star - Arsenal Nobody! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TijuanaTim Posted 7 December, 2009 Author Share Posted 7 December, 2009 In one of my thoughtful moments I was trying to compare Stevie Williams with a modern day counterpart and Gerrard was the only one I could come with. Without wanting to patronise those who were unable to see him play in the red and white, at his peak he was that good. A contemporary of Hoddle's he was a far better all round player. Prodded and prompted by Bally he didn't beat people with pace but he had a sublime sort of drift movement that carried him past players. Never the same when he went to the Gooners even though they were his team. Stevie was Fantastic...but Gerrard and Hoddle score for the fun of it, whereas Williams had a strike rate nearer to say...a Xavi. I feel he was a far more responsible, maybe ever defense oriented half back. The irony being he would have complimented Hoddle 10 times better than 'Butch' Friggin' Wilkins...trouble being we had a certain Bryan Robson also at the time....Steve is exactly what the current England team need...well the SW that played for Saints anyway! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winnersaint Posted 7 December, 2009 Share Posted 7 December, 2009 Stevie was Fantastic...but Gerrard and Hoddle score for the fun of it, whereas Williams had a strike rate nearer to say...a Xavi. I feel he was a far more responsible, maybe ever defense oriented half back. The irony being he would have complimented Hoddle 10 times better than 'Butch' Friggin' Wilkins...trouble being we had a certain Bryan Robson also at the time....Steve is exactly what the current England team need...well the SW that played for Saints anyway! Hoddle had sublime skills and you're right he was more of a goalscorer. Some of the goals he scored would equal and almost eclipse the very best of MLT. Gerrard is game changer. someone who single handedly can alter the course of a game. e.g. Istanbul 05. However SW's contribution to a Saints team which at the time challenged the almost invincible Liverpool sides of the early 80's cannot be underestimated. As an all round midfielder playing on the RHS he was just a great for us, complimented on the LHS of midfield by David Armstrong. Don't even get me started on his qualities!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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