trousers Posted 13 December, 2009 Share Posted 13 December, 2009 Apologies if there's already a recent thread on this but couldn't see it... I've always said we should concentrate 100% on getting into the play-offs whilst it's still mathematically possible, and that means resting key players in less important games such as the JPT semi-final. If it's a good enough tactic for the likes of Ferguson and Wenger then it's good enough for me. No doubt everyone shares my thoughts on this and the thread will wither into the night with little or no debate on the subject. It's that clear cut.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy_Porter Posted 13 December, 2009 Share Posted 13 December, 2009 No we shouldn't rest anyone unless they're carrying a knock. Two trips to Wembley this season please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 13 December, 2009 Share Posted 13 December, 2009 yes...only idiots would put a cup ahead of the league when in the position we are in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 13 December, 2009 Share Posted 13 December, 2009 TBH the only player's I'd consider resting are those on 4 yellows, so for me i'd still play Lambo/Connolly/Lallana.... players should be used to playing Saturday > Tuesday > Saturday in the football league anyway. Let's not forget Leeds also have a tricky JPT tie as well, will be interesting to see what importance they place on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 13 December, 2009 Share Posted 13 December, 2009 Put Thomas in for Jaidi and Wotton in for Morgan. That'll do, thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted 13 December, 2009 Share Posted 13 December, 2009 No, we have a great chance of a trip to Wembley. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 13 December, 2009 Share Posted 13 December, 2009 No, we have a great chance of a trip to Wembley. we also have a chance at promotion... if you had to choose..which is more important..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedAndWhite91 Posted 13 December, 2009 Share Posted 13 December, 2009 No, we have a great chance of a trip to Wembley. +1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 13 December, 2009 Share Posted 13 December, 2009 we also have a chance at promotion... if you had to choose..which is more important..? Why not go for both? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 13 December, 2009 Share Posted 13 December, 2009 Why not go for both? indeed...but if one costs the other then the league is no.1 priority Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintkiptanui Posted 13 December, 2009 Share Posted 13 December, 2009 yes...only idiots would put a cup ahead of the league when in the position we are in.Utter gash, I want to go to Wembley, as does pardew and the players, no resting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints foreva Posted 13 December, 2009 Share Posted 13 December, 2009 If Jaidi and Harding get booked on Tuesday night - They miss the Leeds game. Is it worth the risk? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWD Posted 13 December, 2009 Share Posted 13 December, 2009 Professional footballers should be able to play two games in a week. Rest a couple of those in danger of suspension - jaidi mainly - but i wanna go all out for a wembley trip As Pards said we should go out to win every game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 13 December, 2009 Share Posted 13 December, 2009 indeed...but if one costs the other then the league is no.1 priority We shall only know that in hindsight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 13 December, 2009 Share Posted 13 December, 2009 If Jaidi and Harding get booked on Tuesday night - They miss the Leeds game. Is it worth the risk? I've got a feeling we'll see a run out for either trotts/thomas and young Mills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted 13 December, 2009 Share Posted 13 December, 2009 we also have a chance at promotion... if you had to choose..which is more important..? No, we have an outside chance of promotion. We are still 9 points off the playoffs and making progress against the teams in the top 6 will be much slower than overtaking the teams at the bottom. I'm not giving up, but I wouldn't throw away the chance of our first piece of Silverware for 34 years on one heck of a long shot. Not a question of importance, it's about likelyhood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sperm_john Posted 13 December, 2009 Share Posted 13 December, 2009 in a word, no, we might as well go for it ...silverware would be niiiiiiceeee even if it is the JPT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 13 December, 2009 Share Posted 13 December, 2009 No, we have an outside chance of promotion. We are still 9 points off the playoffs and making progress against the teams in the top 6 will be much slower than overtaking the teams at the bottom. I'm not giving up, but I wouldn't throw away the chance of our first piece of Silverware for 34 years on one heck of a long shot. Not a question of importance, it's about likelyhood. says who...you..? just like a few weeks back thinking about promotion was unrealistic..? 9 points is feck all...if we were 9 points from safety would you say it was all over now..? of course you would not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 13 December, 2009 Share Posted 13 December, 2009 If players can't run around for 90 minutes and then have 4 days to recover they shouldn't be professional athletes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simples Posted 13 December, 2009 Share Posted 13 December, 2009 I agree with most of the comments on here so far. I think, due to the timing of it all, and knowing how the momentum factor can influence results; lets put our best team out on Tuesday, get a good result, and then that will carry on to the Leeds game. Put a weak team out, loose, and then heads, hearts, and expectations will drop, we then might lose against Leeds, and three points are dropped. I see that this Tuesdays result might have an impact on the Leeds game. So lets win both, and rest our best players when we play lesser teams later on in the league, hopefully after strengthining our squad in January. Simples:cool: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 13 December, 2009 Share Posted 13 December, 2009 9 points is feck all...if we were 9 points from safety would you say it was all over now..? of course you would not I do think we have a very good chance of making the play offs given the current form and hopefully squad improvement in January. However...your comparison of 9 points from safety and 9 points from the play offs is a poor one. It is much easier to catch up with teams at the bottom of the league than at the top. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 13 December, 2009 Share Posted 13 December, 2009 I do think we have a very good chance of making the play offs given the current form and hopefully squad improvement in January. However...your comparison of 9 points from safety and 9 points from the play offs is a poor one. It is much easier to catch up with teams at the bottom of the league than at the top. either way...to suggest it is a long shot when you are 9 points away and clearly better than nearly all in the league (added to additions in jan) is a bit daft.. to be fair, right now, I will be deflated if we dont make the playoffs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
for_heaven's_Saint Posted 13 December, 2009 Share Posted 13 December, 2009 Who are the players on 4 yellows at the moment? Harding and Jaidi I know, is it Hammond as well? If so I'd have all three of these on the bench rather than starting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 13 December, 2009 Share Posted 13 December, 2009 No. While there is a slim chance of injury, the team are clearing playing out of their skins and will want the silverware as much as promotion. There's a great chance to win the trophy and only an outside chance of promotion still at this stage. AP has to go with a strong team IMO. If we win at SMS 5-0 then he might play a weakened team in the 2nd leg perhaps?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 13 December, 2009 Share Posted 13 December, 2009 I get the impression that the club has targeted the JPT this season. Do yellows in the JPT count in the league? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jam Posted 13 December, 2009 Share Posted 13 December, 2009 either way...to suggest it is a long shot when you are 9 points away and clearly better than nearly all in the league (added to additions in jan) is a bit daft.. to be fair, right now, I will be deflated if we dont make the playoffs Me too, but I don't think that the Leeds away game is going to be a crucial game for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Posted 13 December, 2009 Share Posted 13 December, 2009 Me too, but I don't think that the Leeds away game is going to be a crucial game for us. Wondering if Colchester trip is more important than Leeds? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted 13 December, 2009 Share Posted 13 December, 2009 says who...you..? just like a few weeks back thinking about promotion was unrealistic..? 9 points is feck all...if we were 9 points from safety would you say it was all over now..? of course you would not 9 points isn't feck all, it's a large amount. Considering we started the season 10 points off the playoffs and we're all but halfway through the seaon, it really is an uphill struggle. The fact of the matter is we will need to score an automatic promotion amount of points to make the playoffs. If you can name any team in history which has won 1 of it's first 10 League games and finished in the top 2, I'd be more than a bit surprised. 9 points from safety isn't the end of the world. But in that scenario, three wins and you're right back in it. With promotion it's different. It's more like three wins and the team in 6th wins two and draws one. It only gets you two points nearer. You'd need to maintain that form (i.e. winning every game) for about four months to overhall the team in sixth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jam Posted 13 December, 2009 Share Posted 13 December, 2009 Wondering if Colchester trip is more important than Leeds? Certainly more winnable on paper and a more useful team to take points from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted 13 December, 2009 Share Posted 13 December, 2009 I'd rest Harding and Jaidi on the basis that they're only one yellow card away from being suspended. I'd go with a starting XI something like this . . . ----------------- Davis -------------- James ---- Thomas ---- Perry ---- Mills Waigo -- Wotton -- Hammond -- Lallana --------- Lambert -- Connolly ---------- Be interesting to see what team Pardew does go with however. Time will tell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 13 December, 2009 Share Posted 13 December, 2009 I'd rest Harding and Jaidi on the basis that they're only one yellow card away from being suspended. I'd go with a starting XI something like this . . . ----------------- Davis -------------- James ---- Thomas ---- Perry ---- Mills Waigo -- Wotton -- Hammond -- Lallana --------- Lambert -- Connolly ---------- Be interesting to see what team Pardew does go with however. Time will tell. Exactly what i'd go for too, except for Davis in goal of course.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evil Monkey Posted 13 December, 2009 Share Posted 13 December, 2009 I'd rest Harding and Jaidi on the basis that they're only one yellow card away from being suspended. I'd go with a starting XI something like this . . . ----------------- Davis -------------- James ---- Thomas ---- Perry ---- Mills Waigo -- Wotton -- Hammond -- Lallana --------- Lambert -- Connolly ---------- Be interesting to see what team Pardew does go with however. Time will tell. Why no Morgan??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 13 December, 2009 Share Posted 13 December, 2009 Why no Morgan??? He's suspended I think, either that or is on 4 yellow cards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted 13 December, 2009 Share Posted 13 December, 2009 Exactly what i'd go for too, except for Davis in goal of course.... Ah yes, completely forgot Davis is still out injured. Bialkowski in for him then, obviously. Why no Morgan??? I'd be tempted to rest him for Leeds away to be honest, although I wouldn't be surprised if Pards selected Morgan for Tuesday night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowers-sfc Posted 13 December, 2009 Share Posted 13 December, 2009 Kelvin davis is a maybe for leeds i hear? Not sure how much truth there is to it, but it would be a major boost to us for the busy xmas fixture list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 13 December, 2009 Share Posted 13 December, 2009 Kelvin davis is a maybe for leeds i hear? Not sure how much truth there is to it, but it would be a major boost to us for the busy xmas fixture list. Would prefer to keep Bart in anyway for the time being. It's a shame because he's not done anything fundamentally wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowers-sfc Posted 13 December, 2009 Share Posted 13 December, 2009 Bart has been solid and has kept a couple of clean sheets i think? I kind of agree with bart for time being. Dont want to rush kelv back iver, and bart has shown that he is a real contender for the number one jersey one day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Lindford Posted 13 December, 2009 Share Posted 13 December, 2009 No resting of players for me. Play the strongest team possible on Tuesday, I would sacrifice the points on Saturday for a trip to Wembley. Plenty more points to be had over the rest of the season to gain a play off spot. How good would it be to have a day out a Wembley not only for the fans but for the club as a whole after the last year we have endured. COYR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red and white saint Posted 13 December, 2009 Share Posted 13 December, 2009 I wouldnt rest anyone if they cant play 2 games in a week there is something seriously wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 13 December, 2009 Share Posted 13 December, 2009 There's no right answer for this one IMO; only hindsight will tell us what the best outcome was. If we play a strong team, win the game and the players all come through unscathed then it will be a huge boost to our confidence and keep hopes alive of picking up some silverware. When the team are winning games no player wants to be dropped, and enjoying a victory over one the strongest teams in the league would be a great shot in the arm. Playing a severely weakened team and getting beaten just won't allow for that and could be seen as a backwards step. However, if we have an injury such as Murty's against Birmingham (again a cup game) then there will be accusations that players should have been rested for the promotion push. I'd prefer to see us play a strong team, though I'm all to aware of the risks it poses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 13 December, 2009 Share Posted 13 December, 2009 Apologies if there's already a recent thread on this but couldn't see it... I've always said we should concentrate 100% on getting into the play-offs whilst it's still mathematically possible, and that means resting key players in less important games such as the JPT semi-final. If it's a good enough tactic for the likes of Ferguson and Wenger then it's good enough for me. No doubt everyone shares my thoughts on this and the thread will wither into the night with little or no debate on the subject. It's that clear cut.... There is a slight difference with the managers in question - they have a squad of world class footballers.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowers-sfc Posted 13 December, 2009 Share Posted 13 December, 2009 We could just rest Harding and Jaidi, and put Trotman where Jaidi plays, drop Lloyd back into defence and start Waigo ( not too sure on that, but hey ho ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 13 December, 2009 Share Posted 13 December, 2009 Rest the ones on four bookings, otherwise play the strongest team available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 13 December, 2009 Share Posted 13 December, 2009 The only player I would consider resting is Connolly, purely from a perspective of getting the most from him. Even so I would have him on the bench. However, leaving someone on the bench to avoid a ban is possibly a different matter. We need to go to Leeds with our stringest team available, because we can get a result there, but that doesn't mean we should not go all out for a win against Norwich. With the exception of Connolly, resting players to avoid them being tired is a total nonsense - these are professional athletes, who actually thrive on playing rather than training. Also messing around with a winning team is often the most disruptive thing a manager can do. Bugger this soft attitude of forgetting about the cup in favour of the league, I ****ing want to win both, or at least go to Wembley twice and get to the semis of the FA Cup Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
for_heaven's_Saint Posted 13 December, 2009 Share Posted 13 December, 2009 No. While there is a slim chance of injury, the team are clearing playing out of their skins and will want the silverware as much as promotion. There's a great chance to win the trophy and only an outside chance of promotion still at this stage. AP has to go with a strong team IMO. If we win at SMS 5-0 then he might play a weakened team in the 2nd leg perhaps?! Only 1 leg to the Semi Final! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Landrew Posted 13 December, 2009 Share Posted 13 December, 2009 Rest the ones on four bookings, otherwise play the strongest team available. Agreed, and drop Connolly to the bench and start Papa Waigo. He works quite well with Ricky. I'd go 4-5-1, with Lambert as the striker, and it would mean that Papa would be caught offside less often. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Landrew Posted 13 December, 2009 Share Posted 13 December, 2009 The only player I would consider resting is Connolly, purely from a perspective of getting the most from him. Even so I would have him on the bench. However, leaving someone on the bench to avoid a ban is possibly a different matter. We need to go to Leeds with our stringest team available, because we can get a result there, but that doesn't mean we should not go all out for a win against Norwich. I was totally with you until you suggested we go with our stringest team. I'd definitely choose our strongest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Block 5 Posted 13 December, 2009 Share Posted 13 December, 2009 Wembley please. If we don't get promoted we will WIN this league next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 14 December, 2009 Share Posted 14 December, 2009 Only 1 leg to the Semi Final! Correct, except the stadium announced (Glavin?) kept saying that we need decent support on Tuesday to cheer the boys onto a decent first-leg advantage. :confused: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintrich Posted 14 December, 2009 Share Posted 14 December, 2009 I'm sure Pardew said in an interview somewhere that he'd be using the whole squad for Norwich.. Mellis, Mills etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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