trousers Posted 28 December, 2009 Share Posted 28 December, 2009 Losing our last game before the transfer window could turn out to be a blessing in disguise IMO. A bit of a reality check for Cortese and Liebherr who may now be tempted to spend a little more in January than they were perhaps planning a few days ago... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 28 December, 2009 Share Posted 28 December, 2009 Maybe. I am more worried that we cannot overcome the top half-dozen teams at all, despite our supposed quality. These sort of results will have a great impact on how our season pans out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 28 December, 2009 Share Posted 28 December, 2009 Maybe. I am more worried that we cannot overcome the top half-dozen teams at all, despite our supposed quality. These sort of results will have a great impact on how our season pans out. That has been apparent to me for sometime and that is why I think we will be very lucky to reach the playoffs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 28 December, 2009 Author Share Posted 28 December, 2009 Maybe. I am more worried that we cannot overcome the top half-dozen teams at all, despite our supposed quality. These sort of results will have a great impact on how our season pans out. We only need to do better than one of those top half dozen teams over the course of the season to make the playoffs though.....he said cluthcing at straws..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 28 December, 2009 Share Posted 28 December, 2009 Maybe. I am more worried that we cannot overcome the top half-dozen teams at all, despite our supposed quality. These sort of results will have a great impact on how our season pans out. We have some quality, but not as much as alot of us have made out. - we're still 3 or 4 players short to be a really consistent (win every week) kind of team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 28 December, 2009 Share Posted 28 December, 2009 We have some quality, but not as much as alot of us have made out. - we're still 3 or 4 players short to be a really consistent (win every week) kind of team. I dont think our squad is good enough although I have been surprised that Saga and Holmes have not played to give others a rest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 28 December, 2009 Share Posted 28 December, 2009 I dont think our squad is good enough although I have been surprised that Saga and Holmes have not played to give others a rest those 2 will be first out the door when the window opens IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Without a Halo Posted 28 December, 2009 Share Posted 28 December, 2009 We only need to do better than one of those top half dozen teams over the course of the season to make the playoffs though.....he said cluthcing at straws..... Not a lot of use really as the only reason to make the playoffs is to win them! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_stevo Posted 28 December, 2009 Share Posted 28 December, 2009 it seems obvious we need to strengthen, i guess ap, nc and ml all realise this as welll Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesus Reigned Posted 28 December, 2009 Share Posted 28 December, 2009 those 2 will be first out the door when the window opens IMO. They can't both be first out the door. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 28 December, 2009 Share Posted 28 December, 2009 Our team should be good enough! Why dont we spend time fixing what we have rather than signing players? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docker-p Posted 28 December, 2009 Share Posted 28 December, 2009 Maybe. I am more worried that we cannot overcome the top half-dozen teams at all, despite our supposed quality. These sort of results will have a great impact on how our season pans out. I believe we have have only won twice against teams in the top half of the table. Our squad is strong in some areas but needs strengthening, particularly at the back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 28 December, 2009 Share Posted 28 December, 2009 That has been apparent to me for sometime and that is why I think we will be very lucky to reach the playoffs Indeed recent results have been better than our recent form. Have been saying this for a while and got a lot of stick for saying so. Still as Trousers has said the timing of these defeat might be a bonus. Trouble is are the good or better players out there and can we attract them? Got some tough matches coming up - - I think by January's end we will know just how serious we are as play-off contenders. With 3 good signings it is very possible but it does depend on the signings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Under Weststand Posted 28 December, 2009 Share Posted 28 December, 2009 This season has been all about getting things in place for next year IMHO. We need to get the right players in, in the transfer window, & make this a solid defence. If the defence is tight & not conceding it gives the confidence for the midfield to attack with confidence. We've been a little bit more negative against the higher placed teams because of the lack of confidence in the defence & tried to protect them to much. now with the right players brought in we could go on a run that would see us nick a play off place, & I would love to be proved wrong about this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNSUN Posted 28 December, 2009 Share Posted 28 December, 2009 We must have some money to spend in January, but not to throw around willy nilly. If the right player is available for a reasonable fee, sign them up. New loans can be as effective as new signings... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 28 December, 2009 Share Posted 28 December, 2009 I believe we have have only won twice against teams in the top half of the table. Our squad is strong in some areas but needs strengthening, particularly at the back. A defence of James/Murty Jaidi/Perry Trottman/Thomas Harding Should be more than good enough for L1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenridge Posted 28 December, 2009 Share Posted 28 December, 2009 those 2 will be first out the door when the window opens IMO. The Club have been trying to offload Saga for some time without success. Due to his wages we may find we are 'stuck' with till his contract expires. Pardew clearly does not fancy Holmes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 28 December, 2009 Share Posted 28 December, 2009 Indeed recent results have been better than our recent form. Have been saying this for a while and got a lot of stick for saying so. Still as Trousers has said the timing of these defeat might be a bonus. Trouble is are the good or better players out there and can we attract them? Got some tough matches coming up - - I think by January's end we will know just how serious we are as play-off contenders. With 3 good signings it is very possible but it does depend on the signings. Being realistic on this forum is not really appreciated but getting promoted with clubs like Norwich Leeds and Charlton in the same league coupled with a ten point decuction and a loss of players like Surman John McGoldrick etc was not going to be easy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 28 December, 2009 Share Posted 28 December, 2009 The Club have been trying to offload Saga for some time without success. Due to his wages we may find we are 'stuck' with till his contract expires. Pardew clearly does not fancy Holmes. I agree they will be off but as they are getting paid I really dont understand why they have not played some part in the season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Saint Posted 28 December, 2009 Share Posted 28 December, 2009 Losing our last game before the transfer window could turn out to be a blessing in disguise IMO. A bit of a reality check for Cortese and Liebherr who may now be tempted to spend a little more in January than they were perhaps planning a few days ago... You are being discourteous to Mr Cortese and Mr Liebherr as well as Alan Pardew if you think that they will be influenced by one match. They will already have their plans well advanced. Pardew knows we are not the finished article even for this league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 28 December, 2009 Share Posted 28 December, 2009 Being realistic on this forum is not really appreciated but getting promoted with clubs like Norwich Leeds and Charlton in the same league coupled with a ten point decuction and a loss of players like Surman John McGoldrick etc was not going to be easy. No John, I realise realism and the Saints web forum do not neccesarily go hand in hand. Still perhaps we can concentrate on the JPT or even the Cup. I did not expect to be 13th going into the New Year after our awful start so we are heading in the right direction, and I think Mr Liebherr is now well and truly "hooked" to the cause. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 28 December, 2009 Share Posted 28 December, 2009 A defence of James/Murty Jaidi/Perry Trottman/Thomas Harding Should be more than good enough for L1 The lack of clean sheets would suggest otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 28 December, 2009 Share Posted 28 December, 2009 No John, I realise realism and the Saints web forum do not neccesarily go hand in hand. Still perhaps we can concentrate on the JPT or even the Cup. I did not expect to be 13th going into the New Year after our awful start so we are heading in the right direction, and I think Mr Liebherr is now well and truly "hooked" to the cause. I have always thought that we should have the JPT as top priority and my only concern is the tinkering of the team in recent weeks. I notice B'ham have not changed their team in the last eight games and are now unbeaten in 11 Whilst we continue to have a different defence each game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 28 December, 2009 Share Posted 28 December, 2009 I have always thought that we should have the JPT as top priority and my only concern is the tinkering of the team in recent weeks. I notice B'ham have not changed their team in the last eight games and are now unbeaten in 11 Whilst we continue to have a different defence each game Ap has a reputation as being a bit of a "tinkerer" - mind you he has to rest some players because of their age. A settled side usually gives you better results. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 28 December, 2009 Share Posted 28 December, 2009 Ap has a reputation as being a bit of a "tinkerer" - mind you he has to rest some players because of their age. A settled side usually gives you better results. Certainly Jaidi and Perry are unable to play 2/3 games in a week and that does cause a problem with the continuity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astrasri Posted 28 December, 2009 Share Posted 28 December, 2009 those 2 will be first out the door when the window opens IMO. To acheive that another club has to make an offer, haven't noticed many queuing up for Saga at the last window and he's proved absolutely naff all since then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 28 December, 2009 Share Posted 28 December, 2009 To acheive that another club has to make an offer, haven't noticed many queuing up for Saga at the last window and he's proved absolutely naff all since then. I think we'll pay Saga's contract up and release him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 28 December, 2009 Author Share Posted 28 December, 2009 You are being discourteous to Mr Cortese and Mr Liebherr as well as Alan Pardew if you think that they will be influenced by one match. no, of course I'm not suggesting that they would be basing their January transfer policy on one game. I'm simply suggesting that it may sway their decision slightly towards one direction. My only assumption is that they are human and influenced by events on a day by day basis. More of a compliment than 'discourteousness' IMO. Cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Massimo Osti Posted 28 December, 2009 Share Posted 28 December, 2009 You are being discourteous to Mr Cortese and Mr Liebherr as well as Alan Pardew if you think that they will be influenced by one match. They will already have their plans well advanced. Pardew knows we are not the finished article even for this league. Indeed and we WILL spend soon, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 28 December, 2009 Share Posted 28 December, 2009 A defence of James/Murty Jaidi/Perry Trottman/Thomas Harding Should be more than good enough for L1 Are you kidding me?? Of course it isn't because it's too slow. Harding is the only one of these who would get into any of the top 6 sides.Trotman was good but has become erratic, despite the praised lavished on him for the Exeter game a simple squiz at the highlights will show you that Perry lets his man get on the wrong side of him all the time.Jaidi is a lump with no pace so when you get a fastish kiddy he's all at sea,Murty is a constant injury case, the rest just aren't defenders. I bet if you look at Leeds defence it's the same 4 blokes,week in week out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toomer Posted 28 December, 2009 Share Posted 28 December, 2009 We need 3/4 more players to make the team stronger. The defence is found wanting at times, 2 defenders needed as Trots looks as though he is going back to PNE. Midfield we need someone to put their foot in, a Jimmy Case type player. Up front someone needed to push Lambert for his place, I know he has scored the most but IMO and many others, he lacks being able to read the game and get into poitions to be on the end of balls into the box at times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 28 December, 2009 Share Posted 28 December, 2009 We need 3/4 more players to make the team stronger. The defence is found wanting at times, 2 defenders needed as Trots looks as though he is going back to PNE. Midfield we need someone to put their foot in, a Jimmy Case type player. Up front someone needed to push Lambert for his place, I know he has scored the most but IMO and many others, he lacks being able to read the game and get into poitions to be on the end of balls into the box at times. Yes to make the team stronger we need the players you suggest but to have a real chance of promotion we need need more I would have thought Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
modern matron Posted 28 December, 2009 Share Posted 28 December, 2009 That has been apparent to me for sometime and that is why I think we will be very lucky to reach the playoffs Maybe. I am more worried that we cannot overcome the top half-dozen teams at all, despite our supposed quality. These sort of results will have a great impact on how our season pans out. Fair point Alps, but we have only played Norwich at home out of the top 6, the other 5 have all been away from home. The Swindon and Huddersfield defeats were right at the start of the season, Charlton was a draw, Norwich at home a draw, and we have lost narrowly in tight games to Leeds and Colchester. I'll wait for the rematches - Huddersfield and Swindon coming up soon - before making up my mind ........ COYR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiltshire Saint Posted 28 December, 2009 Share Posted 28 December, 2009 Losing our last game before the transfer window could turn out to be a blessing in disguise IMO. A bit of a reality check for Cortese and Liebherr who may now be tempted to spend a little more in January than they were perhaps planning a few days ago... +3 I am actually pleased we lost today for a number of reasons: 1. It means ML and NC will see that we're still rubbish in some positions and sign some great players. 2. It might have put off some other teams from bidding on our players 3. It will hopefully be the kick up the arse that our "fans" need. Let's make some noise! We are the 12th player when the lads are out there, so let's make it count. I wish I was able to make it to games and I know that if I did I would be so loud the stewards would be trying to eject me from the stadium, LOL! Not just a blessing in disguise, but maybe a masterstroke by AP? It seems he may not be as daft as he seems... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonManager Posted 28 December, 2009 Share Posted 28 December, 2009 +3 I am actually pleased we lost today for a number of reasons: 1. It means ML and NC will see that we're still rubbish in some positions and sign some great players. 2. It might have put off some other teams from bidding on our players 3. It will hopefully be the kick up the arse that our "fans" need. Let's make some noise! We are the 12th player when the lads are out there, so let's make it count. I wish I was able to make it to games and I know that if I did I would be so loud the stewards would be trying to eject me from the stadium, LOL! Not just a blessing in disguise, but maybe a masterstroke by AP? It seems he may not be as daft as he seems... Yes, today was a most excellent 'tactical' defeat, perfectly executed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madsent Posted 29 December, 2009 Share Posted 29 December, 2009 Maybe. I am more worried that we cannot overcome the top half-dozen teams at all, despite our supposed quality. These sort of results will have a great impact on how our season pans out. It's not always necessary to beat the teams at the top to accumulate a decent points total. Man Utd won the league last year largely because they got 70 points out of 72 from the teams that finished 9th or lower. Their record against the other 7 teams would have cost them the title in any other season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 29 December, 2009 Share Posted 29 December, 2009 +3 3. It will hopefully be the kick up the arse that our "fans" need. Let's make some noise! You are a bloody WUM. However, if only Stewart Dennis and the Northam could do this, St Mary's would be a great place to watch football Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 29 December, 2009 Share Posted 29 December, 2009 Losing our last game before the transfer window could turn out to be a blessing in disguise IMO. A bit of a reality check for Cortese and Liebherr who may now be tempted to spend a little more in January than they were perhaps planning a few days ago... I think playing down Antonio in recent games is a blessing in disguise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 29 December, 2009 Share Posted 29 December, 2009 Personally I would b very worried if the management changed their plans for the January transfer window based on one football match and one defeat. Pardew is bot stupid and the changes he has in mind will not have changed based one one football match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 29 December, 2009 Share Posted 29 December, 2009 But if we had won perhaps we would have bought players to push for promotion this season As we did not win promotion maybe out of the question and we will play the current squad with replacements for players who leave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiltshire Saint Posted 29 December, 2009 Share Posted 29 December, 2009 Yes, today was a most excellent 'tactical' defeat, perfectly executed. It was very good, but I personally would have gone for a 3-0 rather than a 2-0, just to be on the safe side. You are a bloody WUM. :confused: Pardew is bot stupid. Firstly, I don't see what AP's sexual preferences have to do with this thread and secondly, so what if he's gay? Would you rather have a straight manager who the players didn't fancy but got poor results or a gay manager who the players "took a shine to" and got results for? However AP is geeing them up before the match, it seems to be working and I for one don't care about his sexuality. In fact, your post on this thread seems at odd with your posting on this thread - http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=18790. Maybe you are confused about how you feel on this matter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 29 December, 2009 Share Posted 29 December, 2009 It was very good, but I personally would have gone for a 3-0 rather than a 2-0, just to be on the safe side. :confused: Firstly, I don't see what AP's sexual preferences have to do with this thread and secondly, so what if he's gay? Would you rather have a straight manager who the players didn't fancy but got poor results or a gay manager who the players "took a shine to" and got results for? However AP is geeing them up before the match, it seems to be working and I for one don't care about his sexuality. In fact, your post on this thread seems at odd with your posting on this thread - http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=18790. Maybe you are confused about how you feel on this matter? Anybody know what this drivel is asbout? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintmonkey1979 Posted 29 December, 2009 Share Posted 29 December, 2009 Firstly, I don't see what AP's sexual preferences have to do with this thread and secondly, so what if he's gay? Would you rather have a straight manager who the players didn't fancy but got poor results or a gay manager who the players "took a shine to" and got results for? However AP is geeing them up before the match, it seems to be working and I for one don't care about his sexuality. In fact, your post on this thread seems at odd with your posting on this thread - http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=18790. Maybe you are confused about how you feel on this matter? could be to do with this Pardew is bot stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thornhill_saints Posted 29 December, 2009 Share Posted 29 December, 2009 Firstly, I don't see what AP's sexual preferences have to do with this thread and secondly, so what if he's gay? Would you rather have a straight manager who the players didn't fancy but got poor results or a gay manager who the players "took a shine to" and got results for? However AP is geeing them up before the match, it seems to be working and I for one don't care about his sexuality. In fact, your post on this thread seems at odd with your posting on this thread - http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=18790. Maybe you are confused about how you feel on this matter? could be to do with this Pardew is bot stupid. Just for the books AP is not Gay, I was speaking to a taxi driver in London 2 weeks ago a (West ham Supporter), He told me what when AP was removed/sacked from WH, I can assure you that his not gay, Ask Roy Carrol......As remember when he Roy Carrol had Compassionate leave or needed time off, then all of a sudden AP is removed/sacked...... Make you own mind up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 29 December, 2009 Share Posted 29 December, 2009 (edited) Losing our last game before the transfer window could turn out to be a blessing in disguise IMO. A bit of a reality check for Cortese and Liebherr who may now be tempted to spend a little more in January than they were perhaps planning a few days ago... AGREED! No-one has suggested that we had a pefect set up despite winning a lot of games in recent months. We have two good keepers to choose from. One good full back (Harding) and a defence that has to play musical chairs whenever one of them is injured, and Lloyd James gets criticism because he's the one that AP moves around all the time. With Murty fit it'd be a lot tighter at the back. We have midfielders galore but still lack one with real bite. Hammond is about the mark but we need another (ala Jimmy Case). Morgan S. seems not to have recovered from an injury, and there's is no-one really supplying the goal-happy strikers in the proper way. Papa Waigo is at last learning the English version of the offside trap, but doesn't seem to fit the role as attacking midfielder or out-and-out striker. AP is worth a few gold stars for his efforts so far, but a clearout of the "dead wood " and a few new signings are imperative if we hope to get out of this league during 2010...and why not?. The nucleus of the side is OK. Whatever else happens, NO-ONE can say that shortage of money is a problem! Over to you NC. Edited 29 December, 2009 by david in sweden Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonManager Posted 29 December, 2009 Share Posted 29 December, 2009 AGREED! No-one has suggested that we had a pefect set up despite winning a lot of games in recent months. Especially the man who matters, AP. If he has said this once he has said it a hundred times. Very few post-match interviews conclude without him making this very point, that we have our problems and are still a work in progress. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiltshire Saint Posted 29 December, 2009 Share Posted 29 December, 2009 Ask Roy Carrol......As remember when he Roy Carrol had Compassionate leave or needed time off, then all of a sudden AP is removed/sacked...... Make you own mind up They had a lovers tiff? Is that what you're saying? Either way it doesn't really matter. We've kicked racism out of football (virtually, if you exclude Spain and the Eastern European countries) surely it's time to kick homophobia out as well? If Roy Carrol and AP had a relationship that is there business. I wouldn't mind if AP were to have a relationship with one of the saints players (maybe not one of the academy boys) as long as it does not get in the way of him (and the player) doing their job. I don't know what ML would make of it all. I know that the Swiss did not give women the vote till 1971 (the last European country to do so, I believe) so maybe their views are a little outdated and backward? That is the only worry I have, that ML might not like this kind of thing and sack him. It would be harsh though, in this day and age. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thornhill_saints Posted 29 December, 2009 Share Posted 29 December, 2009 They had a lovers tiff? Is that what you're saying? Either way it doesn't really matter. We've kicked racism out of football (virtually, if you exclude Spain and the Eastern European countries) surely it's time to kick homophobia out as well? If Roy Carrol and AP had a relationship that is there business. I wouldn't mind if AP were to have a relationship with one of the saints players (maybe not one of the academy boys) as long as it does not get in the way of him (and the player) doing their job. I don't know what ML would make of it all. I know that the Swiss did not give women the vote till 1971 (the last European country to do so, I believe) so maybe their views are a little outdated and backward? That is the only worry I have, that ML might not like this kind of thing and sack him. It would be harsh though, in this day and age. No AP & roy Carols wife... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eurosaint Posted 29 December, 2009 Share Posted 29 December, 2009 They had a lovers tiff? Is that what you're saying? Either way it doesn't really matter. We've kicked racism out of football (virtually, if you exclude Spain and the Eastern European countries) surely it's time to kick homophobia out as well? If Roy Carrol and AP had a relationship that is there business. I wouldn't mind if AP were to have a relationship with one of the saints players (maybe not one of the academy boys) as long as it does not get in the way of him (and the player) doing their job. I don't know what ML would make of it all. I know that the Swiss did not give women the vote till 1971 (the last European country to do so, I believe) so maybe their views are a little outdated and backward? That is the only worry I have, that ML might not like this kind of thing and sack him. It would be harsh though, in this day and age. You really ought to get out more, Wiltshire ! AP has a bit of history with the ladies (at both Reading and WHU) and his problem with Roy Carroll, although a pain in the arse, was not literal !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 29 December, 2009 Share Posted 29 December, 2009 We only need to do better than one of those top half dozen teams over the course of the season to make the playoffs though.....he said cluthcing at straws..... No we don't. We need to do 10 points better than one of those half a dozen teams, as well as bettering any of the other 6 teams between us and the play offs, not impssible, but becoming more and more unlikely as the season goes on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Create an account or sign in to comment
You need to be a member in order to leave a comment
Create an account
Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!
Register a new accountSign in
Already have an account? Sign in here.
Sign In Now