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Yet another thread...:smt100

 

How many more times are you going to post your overeactionary

depressing view...

 

We get it...

 

Sorry that you object.

 

But on EVERY thread where tonights game is being discussed there are a multitude of comments along the lines of

 

"This season is a write-off, but next season we'll hammer everybody !"

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Based on the match commentaries, the online highlights and comments from people whose opinions I value, I think we have a team that could do quite well in the Championship but I'm far from sure that we have a manager or a team capable of getting out of this division. And there's little reason to believe that next year will be much different to this year.

 

As I said on the post match thread, every year there are (tops) two teams like Norwich in this division and about 15 teams like Wycombe. We won't win promotion unless we can beat the Wycombes consistently - that's what the good teams do - and we haven't even come close.

 

Playing on crap pitches and playing against teams raising their games for us - they're all part of the challenge.

 

Millions of pounds later, our glaring omission is STILL the midfield leader who can pick the team up and carry it, and demand the best out of those around him.

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Theres going to be a lot of pressure on the team to quickly get results next season and if we have a few early blips,then i hope the team can deal with it.

I also think it will take a special effort from us fans to keep backing the manager and team if things dont go our way and not get on their backs at the first sign of a defeat.

Are we up to it?

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Sorry that you object.

 

But on EVERY thread where tonights game is being discussed there are a multitude of comments along the lines of

 

"This season is a write-off, but next season we'll hammer everybody !"

 

Wrong! Expectation will be higher, quite reasonably, but with optimism.

 

The trouble is Alpine you always post in this negative way. Are you seriously that unhappy with this season? If you are I suspect you will always be complaining or criticising whatever happens next season. Just remember the last 2 seasons, now that was REALLY bad! Then enjoy Wembley and forget this season.....

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TBF i know i have my disagreements with Alps, but i can see his point here.

 

Ok, sometimes he comes across as almost always negative but FFS what about the RTG camp ??

 

He is right, there are far too many 'it'll be ok next year' posts and has been after every disapointing result this season.

 

How will it ?? We will IMO have pretty much the same team as we have now, after all the spending this year i can't see us signing a multitude of extra players, it just wouldn't make sense.

 

If they are not firing this year, why will it be all change next ??

 

I do live in hope, i really do, but IMO anything other than automatic next year will be terrible and our failings need to be address SOONER rather than later.

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Strange nobody said this on Saturday. Some people have no clue, you can't just win every game. If it was that easy everyone would. Dropped points at home have damaged us IMO. Our away form is good and going to tough places with crap pithes and not getting beat is ok, but obviously not of you need to win 15 in a row!

 

If we had beaten Brentford, Colchester, Millwall and Brighton at home then this would have been a decent point!

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We have picked up 23 points this season from 17 away games. That is pretty much the same as all the other play off contenders!

 

At home we have picked up 25 from 13 games ..... everyone else in the play offs has a similar record when you look at the fact they have played 16 or 17 games. We are also better at home than away and have won the last 4 home games.

 

We might not make the play-offs this year but you can bet we will be there or abouts next year when it comes to being in the shake up for automatic promotion. The play offs will be the minimum achievement next year but we need to stick with Pardew and believe in our plan because changing the manager is not likely to bring about improvement. For every one replaced that is successful I'll bet there are loads that are unsuccessful.....Mancini at Man City springs immediately to mind! There are similarities on a smaller scale.

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Strange nobody said this on Saturday. Some people have no clue, you can't just win every game. If it was that easy everyone would. Dropped points at home have damaged us IMO. Our away form is good and going to tough places with crap pithes and not getting beat is ok, but obviously not of you need to win 15 in a row!

 

If we had beaten Brentford, Colchester, Millwall and Brighton at home then this would have been a decent point!

 

Even now though home form is not an issue, won last 4, average of 2 points a game, only lost 2 at home all season. It is not that different a record to anyone else in the league when you consider they have all played 16-17 games at home and we have played only 13.

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Everytime we fail to win we are disappointed. It is a natural feeling. Most soon get over it as they look around and see that we are improving.

 

Next season I will join all of the anti manager brigade if we keep failing because we have not got a couple of big strong midfielders who can take a game by the scruff of the neck. We have needed this for so long and yet our manager seems not to see it. Or am I the only one who feels like this?

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Strange nobody said this on Saturday. Some people have no clue, you can't just win every game. If it was that easy everyone would. Dropped points at home have damaged us IMO. Our away form is good and going to tough places with crap pithes and not getting beat is ok, but obviously not of you need to win 15 in a row!

 

If we had beaten Brentford, Colchester, Millwall and Brighton at home then this would have been a decent point!

But we didn't beat Brentford, or Colchester, or Millwall, or Brighton and so it isn't. Thats the way leagues work. And thats why we're no where near the pay-offs, even allowing for the ten points

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It's true, I know it's Alpine saying it but there's no guarantee we'll walk the division next year. I expect we'll be in contention for the title but we'll probably end up 3rd or 4th. I remember vaguely following West Ham's progress when they were in the championship and it looked like Pardew was barely clinging to his job. Both years they only managed to get into the playoffs, and the fans expected more.

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It's true, I know it's Alpine saying it but there's no guarantee we'll walk the division next year. I expect we'll be in contention for the title but we'll probably end up 3rd or 4th. I remember vaguely following West Ham's progress when they were in the championship and it looked like Pardew was barely clinging to his job. Both years they only managed to get into the playoffs, and the fans expected more.

 

We are unbeaten in the League in 2010 so obviously we are contenders for next season.

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We are unbeaten in the League in 2010 so obviously we are contenders for next season.

 

On current form we will finsih about 8th or 9th next season.

 

AP and the happy's will insist we need just one more player, then one more, then one more.......

 

Get ready for the - oh we would have been fine if didnt get injured.

 

Time to wake up and smell the coffee!!

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On current form we will finsih about 8th or 9th next season.

 

AP and the happy's will insist we need just one more player, then one more, then one more.......

 

Get ready for the - oh we would have been fine if didnt get injured.

 

Time to wake up and smell the coffee!!

 

I dont think your analysis is correct

 

 

We will be pushing for promotion next season

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We will probably lose 3 key players in the inter season

 

Morgan will go IMHO as he is being watched by EPL clubs (confirmed yesterday by an EPL club board members) and I now know for a fact a £2million bid by Everton for a "Plan B" Rickie Lambert isn't out of the question.

 

Morgan can be replaced at this level but Lambert would be a huge, huge miss.

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Am I missing something here? Is this season such a huge let down??

 

At the beginning of the season it was all doom and gloom and we'd be lucky to get to mid table, and were facing another relegation battle.

 

We're now mid table and going to Wembley! FFS what more do you want????

 

If throwing money at the situation works then please explain to me why Man City aren't top of the Premier league? It takes time and when you start off with -10 it's a huge mental barrier against winning. Now only 5 other teams have scored more goals than us and we've lost 6 games... the same as Leeds, so we're hard to beat as well..

 

Jeez, come on people... enjoy the bloody season...

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We will probably lose 3 key players in the inter season

 

You're probably right. Therefore the building argument just doesn't hold water.

 

Let's say, hypothetically, that we finish the season in say 10th more than 10 points from the play offs. Many will say we're building etc. and that Pardew should carry on.

 

Another million or so spent in the summer and we then don't win any of the first four next season. What do we do then? Sack him and appoint someone else? We'll then be back in this circle of give the bloke time, not his players etc.

 

The world and football have changed; for what he's been given a return of 90 points earned on the pitch isn't unreasonable despite the 'upheaval' in the summer. In this league everyone has upheaval letting half squad go on frees and bringing in a load more on frees etc.

 

It looks as though he'll miss the target by 15 points and unless Cotese is 100% certain he won't reach for the revolver if we start badly next season he will have to go unless we finish the season very strongly.

 

The last 16 games - 10 at home and away trips to such giants as Tranmere, Yeovil, Gillingham, MK Dons, Bristol Rovers & Brighton.

 

Minimum return 35 points or he has to go.

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We will probably lose 3 key players in the inter season

 

I don't see it we have no need to sell, we can play hardball with players and agents now which we couldn't do before (kenwyne Jones springs to mind). Most of the players knew promotion was a long shot this year when they signed. If we do sell we will make money on those deals allowing us to bring in good replacements (something else we haven't done much before). If the replacements are brought in in the summer during pre-season I don't see a problem.

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I don't see it we have no need to sell, we can play hardball with players and agents now which we couldn't do before (kenwyne Jones springs to mind). Most of the players knew promotion was a long shot this year when they signed. If we do sell we will make money on those deals allowing us to bring in good replacements (something else we haven't done much before). If the replacements are brought in in the summer during pre-season I don't see a problem.

 

Do you think Lambert and Hammond thought it would be a long shot considering they joined in August? I would imagine they would have thought it would take some work but long shot no.

 

Schneiderlin is always capable of announcing he wants to leave - international career etc.

 

I wouldn't count on Lallana not wanting a move

 

Otsemebor is on a short deal (unlikely to be renewed), Jaidi is winding down, Papa is only on loan.

 

The only ones who don't really have any right to start getting twitchy are the January signings.

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Am I missing something here? Is this season such a huge let down??

 

At the beginning of the season it was all doom and gloom and we'd be lucky to get to mid table, and were facing another relegation battle.

 

We're now mid table and going to Wembley! FFS what more do you want????

 

If throwing money at the situation works then please explain to me why Man City aren't top of the Premier league? It takes time and when you start off with -10 it's a huge mental barrier against winning. Now only 5 other teams have scored more goals than us and we've lost 6 games... the same as Leeds, so we're hard to beat as well..

 

Jeez, come on people... enjoy the bloody season...

 

Quite. But then people like Alpine and Glasgow don't get the buzz of being at games like the JPT area final or the Pompey game so maybe it's a little hard for them to judge...

 

Either that or they're just crushing bores that need ignoring at every turn. Demands for instant gratification that lead me to believe they were probably spoilt children. Also explains the desperate need for attention.

 

I for one am very much enjoying this season. And my prediction at the start of the season was for us to just miss out on the play offs so my expectations are being met really.

 

Still it's not all rosey at the moment and Pardew does have his strengths and his weaknesses. And i'd like to see him play more positively a lot of the time. But i think we're starting to see that. And aside from that i actually like hearing what he has to say and his analysis is usually spot on so i'm very happy to have someone who displays a little intelligence steering the ship...and am pretty hopeful that we can get out of this division next season and with some real style to boot.

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It would be quite interesting to know what the league table would look like if the season had started after our tenth game, and we had the 10 points back. I'd have thought we'd be comfortably in the playoff places. Which means our form for about the last 6 months is pretty good.

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Quite. But then people like Alpine and Glasgow don't get the buzz of being at games like the JPT area final or the Pompey game so maybe it's a little hard for them to judge...

 

Either that or they're just crushing bores that need ignoring at every turn. Demands for instant gratification that lead me to believe they were probably spoilt children. Also explains the desperate need for attention.

 

I for one am very much enjoying this season. And my prediction at the start of the season was for us to just miss out on the play offs so my expectations are being met really.

 

Still it's not all rosey at the moment and Pardew does have his strengths and his weaknesses. And i'd like to see him play more positively a lot of the time. But i think we're starting to see that. And aside from that i actually like hearing what he has to say and his analysis is usually spot on so i'm very happy to have someone who displays a little intelligence steering the ship...and am pretty hopeful that we can get out of this division next season and with some real style to boot.

 

Sums it up perfectly.

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I for one am very much enjoying this season..

 

12 wins in the league all season (from 30) and you're “very much enjoying”

 

It’s sad but you clearly have very very very low expectations and ambitions.

 

If it saves you from disappointment then so be it, I know id much prefer to set my sights much higher and give everything 110%

 

Apparently that makes me a wum, troll ect but I can live with that!

 

You wont get anywhere in life if you’re always content with 2nd best.

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On current form we will finsih about 8th or 9th next season.

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Depends what you define as current form. I think our form since November is representative of what this squad of players can achieve because we have played against all levels of team in the division, coped with 2 games a week regularly and the disruption of cup matches to the squad and rhythm of the league campaign.

 

In that time we have picked up 29 points from 15 league games so we are averaging 2 points per game. If we do that next season for the whole season we'll end up on 92 points - comfortably one of the leading teams in the league.

 

There will be aberrations - all teams have them. Norwich lost at home to a mid table team last Saturday! Leeds could only draw at home to Brighton and lost at home to Walsall. There is also the possibility of us losing some key players to other clubs or retirement, but even if we do the purchases of the likes of Fonte, Barnard and Puncheon suggest to me that we will be able to replace them with equal or better quality.

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12 wins in the league all season (from 30) and you're “very much enjoying”

 

It’s sad but you clearly have very very very low expectations and ambitions.

 

If it saves you from disappointment then so be it, I know id much prefer to set my sights much higher and give everything 110%

 

Apparently that makes me a wum, troll ect but I can live with that!

 

You wont get anywhere in life if you’re always content with 2nd best.

 

So we won't see you at Wembley then?

 

How many games have you been to this season to judge it as such a failure?

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Really glad that this season exceeded my expectation !!

Wanted survival, achieved that therefore everything else is a bonus.......a trip to Wembley for a cup final, a local derby, mathematically possible to achieve a play off position, 6th best goal difference in the league, owners who clearly are not content in the lower leagues and will do what is necessary to gain promotion in a relative short period of time...there has been frustration but, on balance, things are not THAT bad

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Am I missing something here? Is this season such a huge let down??

 

At the beginning of the season it was all doom and gloom and we'd be lucky to get to mid table, and were facing another relegation battle.

 

We're now mid table and going to Wembley! FFS what more do you want????

 

If throwing money at the situation works then please explain to me why Man City aren't top of the Premier league? It takes time and when you start off with -10 it's a huge mental barrier against winning. Now only 5 other teams have scored more goals than us and we've lost 6 games... the same as Leeds, so we're hard to beat as well..

 

Jeez, come on people... enjoy the bloody season...

 

+1...

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12 wins in the league all season (from 30) and you're “very much enjoying”

 

It’s sad but you clearly have very very very low expectations and ambitions.

 

If it saves you from disappointment then so be it, I know id much prefer to set my sights much higher and give everything 110%

 

Apparently that makes me a wum, troll ect but I can live with that!

 

You wont get anywhere in life if you’re always content with 2nd best.

 

You are an idiot mate, every post you submit is just ********, like DW said, how many games do you acyually go to?

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12 wins in the league all season (from 30) and you're “very much enjoying”

 

It’s sad but you clearly have very very very low expectations and ambitions.

 

If it saves you from disappointment then so be it, I know id much prefer to set my sights much higher and give everything 110%

 

Apparently that makes me a wum, troll ect but I can live with that!

 

You wont get anywhere in life if you’re always content with 2nd best.

 

Why are you living in the 2nd Best country in the UK then?

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12 wins in the league all season (from 30) and you're “very much enjoying”

 

It’s sad but you clearly have very very very low expectations and ambitions.

 

If it saves you from disappointment then so be it, I know id much prefer to set my sights much higher and give everything 110%

 

Apparently that makes me a wum, troll ect but I can live with that!

 

You wont get anywhere in life if you’re always content with 2nd best.

 

We got into Europe when we were second best in the FA Cup final.

 

Oh, and 110% doesn't exist. Maybe that's why we didn't beat Wycombe 16-0 last night. We forgot to play superhuman football.

 

Add a few players into a squad that has clearly improved and spent time gelling and we will be fine.

 

I'm enjoying this season too. Is that allowed? I've been to loads of new grounds and had some great laughs traveling round the country with my mates. Seen some cracking games, quality goals and comical moments.

 

There's much, much more to being a supporter than the 90 minutes on the pitch.

 

Maybe some of the people that moan on here that we're not 300 points clear at the top of the league should lighten up and try going to some games with their mates.

 

Oh.

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I’m guessing here but at the start of the season when people were making predictions, I bet Alpine made a negative prediction saying that he would be happy (or the best we could expect) with a mid-table finish and a decent cup run.

 

As I said, I am guessing and can not be bothered to go looking through all his posts. If I am wrong, I am wrong but don’t think I am.

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Have a look at Leeds, City and Forest, all arguably bigger than us, how did thye fare in this league? Please dont give me "we've spent loads of money" etc, money helps, better with it than without sure, no guarantees though otherwise MC would be winning the EPL yeah?

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It’s sad but you clearly have very very very low expectations and ambitions.

 

I told you my expectations. They were to finish just outside the play offs.

 

I wouldn't consider that very very very low expectations. Higher than many to be fair.

 

Still what i want out of football and what you want are obviously two different things. I go to games to have the hair standing up on the back of the neck moments like the JPT area final, the Pompey game and undoubtedly the Wembley final.

 

But sitting behind your computer screen moaning you're not going to know about those feelings.

 

So yes 11 wins 6 draws and 3 losses from the last 20 games in the league. And days like a Wembley trip that will live long in the memory and yes i am vey much enjoying the season.

 

Oh and i don't seem to remember you squinnying at the start of the season so you can't say that sh:t start counts for nothing i'm afraid. Because it obviously did. Because having been at the Bournemouth game 4 weeks before the season started i'd have been hard pushed to really say that that team was going to take us anywhere other than relegation.

 

The fact that we've turned it round is testament to not only Cortese and Markus with the money but to Pardew's signings and nous to sort out the backroom situation.

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12 wins in the league all season (from 30) and you're “very much enjoying”

 

It’s sad but you clearly have very very very low expectations and ambitions.

 

If it saves you from disappointment then so be it, I know id much prefer to set my sights much higher and give everything 110%

 

Apparently that makes me a wum, troll ect but I can live with that!

 

You wont get anywhere in life if you’re always content with 2nd best.

 

I just enjoy going to the football to be honest. I don't really mind if we're playing at league 1, championship or permiership level.

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I just enjoy going to the football to be honest. I don't really mind if we're playing at league 1, championship or permiership level.

 

Exactly there's more to being a supporter than only singing when we're winning. I enjoy watching my team play win,lose or draw. Sure it hurts when they lose and being relegated is horrible, but every season and every match is a new beginning and I go to each new matche full of excitment. Hell I saw us lose 4-1 the other week and still left happy. Call it a lack of ambition or settling for second best I really don't care I'm happy.

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12 wins in the league all season (from 30) and you're “very much enjoying”

 

It’s sad but you clearly have very very very low expectations and ambitions.

 

If it saves you from disappointment then so be it, I know id much prefer to set my sights much higher and give everything 110%

 

Apparently that makes me a wum, troll ect but I can live with that!

 

You wont get anywhere in life if you’re always content with 2nd best.[/QUOTE]

 

One has to ask why your a saints fan, as I've said before I love my club but only the blinkered would say we have been anything less than second best (and sometimes a lot worse than that) for many years. If you're only interested in winning go support Man U (oh just a minute they've lost a few times this year haven't they? so no good for you).

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