Huffton Posted 22 August, 2010 Share Posted 22 August, 2010 We all know we need two or three more players, AP knows this, therefore NC also knows. People are moaning that we haven't signed anyone yet but we need to take a step back and look at the bigger picture. We are rich, seriously compared to some other clubs who are hanging by a thread. Some of these need to sell players to keep going. We have money to burn and they know it. YOu can imagine the phone call. NC: "Hello Mr Chairman, we'd like to buy your best player" Chairman: "Kerching! Yes Mr Cortese, that will be £2m more than he's worth" NC: " 'kin ell, your 'avin a laugh mate!" (in an Italian accent) Surely it would make far more sense to wait until the end of the window, when clubs who need to sell will be getting twitchy and are far more likely to let players go at a decent price. I think we just need to sit tight for a little while and the signings will come. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 22 August, 2010 Share Posted 22 August, 2010 and in the mean time....drop 5 points from 6.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingsbridge Saint Posted 22 August, 2010 Share Posted 22 August, 2010 just ****ing sign Antonio before the season goes up in smoke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 22 August, 2010 Share Posted 22 August, 2010 Surely it would make far more sense to wait until the end of the window, when clubs who need to sell will be getting twitchy and are far more likely to let players go at a decent price. I think we just need to sit tight for a little while and the signings will come. I think that's exactly what Pardew has been alluding to in the past few weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huffton Posted 22 August, 2010 Author Share Posted 22 August, 2010 just ****ing sign Antonio before the season goes up in smoke. Here, borrow mine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 22 August, 2010 Share Posted 22 August, 2010 just ****ing sign Antonio before the season goes up in smoke. I liked Antonio, but to hang everything on a player who didn't even come off the bench for Reading yesterday is a bit strange. Actually I think Chamberlain is proving he can be an excellent replacement, but I would welcome Antonio back. Our season going up in smoke has as much if not more to do with our central midfield, strikers and centre back at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 22 August, 2010 Share Posted 22 August, 2010 Antonio seems to have gone to 'god' status on here......he was a decent prospect sure, but not quite the messiah some have built him up to be! Do we really think sign Antonio and BANG we are a good side.....I dont! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenilworthy Posted 22 August, 2010 Share Posted 22 August, 2010 What is clear is that we have actually gone backwards from the team we were at the end of last season. We desperately lack the unpredicatability offered by Antonio and Waigo. The reason for the obsession with Antonio is that he is a player we know has worked in our system and he also offers an another alternative with his long throws. There is always the possibility of a Saganowski scenario where a player who is great on loan becomes rubbish with a long term contract. Even so, Antonio seems to be about as low risk as a transfer as you can ask for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brightspark Posted 22 August, 2010 Share Posted 22 August, 2010 We need someone like Antonio because he got us out of some tricky situations, or at least had the ability to provide something different. If a team parks the bus against us - which this season will be pretty much every week - it is clear that hoof it Rickie and flick on isn't going to cut it. Therefore we need a Plan B. Lallana and Puncheon both tend to drift inside which isn't a bad thing. But too much of the same means we are too predictable for the workmanlike defences that we will come up against. We need someone in who can get to the goal line and provide a good cross. Someone who can create panic. What Antonio did last season was something extra that gave us another dimension in our game. He could have his back to goal with two defenders up his anus and he'd still be able to beat them both with an astonishing bit of skill. Its something that isn't truly in Puncheon and Lallana's repetoire. Oxlade-Chamberlain could well be an exciting prospect, but to rely on a 16 going on 17 year old on being that "magic spark" to break down a defensive team, and getting us those vital extra few points in order to achieve promotion, is probably too much to ask of the boy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingsbridge Saint Posted 22 August, 2010 Share Posted 22 August, 2010 Pace, impact off the bench, tenaciousness, goals, all things strangely absent from this season so far. Sure, we can do without him. No worries. What did the Romans ever do for us? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintBobby Posted 22 August, 2010 Share Posted 22 August, 2010 I have been told by a pretty high up source that the money has been made available for Pardew, but he's been very picky about who to sign. It does seem strange that we have been so limited in transfer activity though. I don't really accpet that we can be held to ransom as a rich club. That would be true if we had our heart set on one particular player, but (Antonio fans aside), we don't. We need a fast winger or two...if club X is asking too much, go to club Y. If they are asking too much go to club Z. There must be literally dozens - if not hundreds - or professional footballers who fit the bill. Same goes for a new CM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 22 August, 2010 Share Posted 22 August, 2010 I think that's exactly what Pardew has been alluding to in the past few weeks. Sorry, but its one hell of a game of chicken we are playing. It could easily and seriously backfire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMike Posted 22 August, 2010 Share Posted 22 August, 2010 Antonio seems to have gone to 'god' status on here......he was a decent prospect sure, but not quite the messiah some have built him up to be! Do we really think sign Antonio and BANG we are a good side.....I dont! this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 22 August, 2010 Share Posted 22 August, 2010 I have been told by a pretty high up source that the money has been made available for Pardew, but he's been very picky about who to sign. It does seem strange that we have been so limited in transfer activity though. I don't really accpet that we can be held to ransom as a rich club. That would be true if we had our heart set on one particular player, but (Antonio fans aside), we don't. We need a fast winger or two...if club X is asking too much, go to club Y. If they are asking too much go to club Z. There must be literally dozens - if not hundreds - or professional footballers who fit the bill. Same goes for a new CM. None of us knows what is going on behind the scenes but if waiting a bit longer means that we get the right players in why should that be a problem? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMike Posted 22 August, 2010 Share Posted 22 August, 2010 Pace, impact off the bench, tenaciousness, goals, all things strangely absent from this season so far. Sure, we can do without him. No worries. What did the Romans ever do for us? how many games did he start last season, how many goals did he score? how many times did he make an impact from the bench? Check, i think you will be in for a shock. oh and Reading want near on a million for him, so not worth that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deppo Posted 22 August, 2010 Share Posted 22 August, 2010 I think we should just buy somebody, anybody, now so that we can all be a little bit happier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 22 August, 2010 Share Posted 22 August, 2010 The three signings due this week....Will now be delayed so as this forum can continue the debate... Pards and King Nic are enjoying the forum so much... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 22 August, 2010 Share Posted 22 August, 2010 I know Cortese has reassured us that the Liebherr family are going to carry on running the football club and carry out Markus's wishes but I wonder whether his death has tied up transfer funds until all the legalities of his will and business interests have been dealt with? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybeal Posted 22 August, 2010 Share Posted 22 August, 2010 Got to say this and I know I will be shot down , but I really don't think that the club has spent enough on players in the last year - ok so we have spent £3m or £4m or something, but look, when Markus bought the club we had a squad that was probably worth less than zero - so many hopeless players on long contracts that would have cost us money to get rid of them - and still costing us money now - Forecast , Pullis etc - half of last years wages budget went on paying the dross - Thomas , Perry etc etc etc. I don't think the owners truly realised that as a club we were so run down - totally asset stripped by the previous owner and administrators. A lot of the transfer budget was spent on just getting on to an even keel with other L1 clubs - Lambert and Fonte aside I would say this is the case! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybeal Posted 22 August, 2010 Share Posted 22 August, 2010 how many games did he start last season, how many goals did he score? how many times did he make an impact from the bench? Check, i think you will be in for a shock. oh and Reading want near on a million for him, so not worth that! Must say that Antonio or Waigo had an impact in every game I went to last season which we won.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulwantsapint Posted 22 August, 2010 Share Posted 22 August, 2010 It seems that Antonio gets better with every game he doesn't play He had pace, strength & long throw He lacked direction & a good cross Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 22 August, 2010 Share Posted 22 August, 2010 BTW agree with Antonio. Not that I thought he was a particularly great player but in him and Papa Waigo, what we had last season was pace and unpredictability in abundance and players who could run directly at the opposing defence. We missed that badly yesterday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 22 August, 2010 Share Posted 22 August, 2010 What is clear is that we have actually gone backwards from the team we were at the end of last season. We desperately lack the unpredicatability offered by Antonio and Waigo. The reason for the obsession with Antonio is that he is a player we know has worked in our system and he also offers an another alternative with his long throws. There is always the possibility of a Saganowski scenario where a player who is great on loan becomes rubbish with a long term contract. Even so, Antonio seems to be about as low risk as a transfer as you can ask for. That's not clear at all. Actually we're better as we have improved at right back and the rest of the team is the same. I'm just glad our management and players have more bottle than many of our fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintBobby Posted 22 August, 2010 Share Posted 22 August, 2010 None of us knows what is going on behind the scenes but if waiting a bit longer means that we get the right players in why should that be a problem? The guy I spoke to is high up behind the scenes. Im very confident he knows whats going on. I agree theres not a big problem if we sign great players on Aug 30th rather than average players on Aug 25th. But the problem, as described to me, is not that. It's that AP has a "not made here" syndrome. I.e. he doesnt like recommendations from otehrs on principle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 22 August, 2010 Share Posted 22 August, 2010 The guy I spoke to is high up behind the scenes. Im very confident he knows whats going on. I agree theres not a big problem if we sign great players on Aug 30th rather than average players on Aug 25th. But the problem, as described to me, is not that. It's that AP has a "not made here" syndrome. I.e. he doesnt like recommendations from otehrs on principle. With so much stake and his neck on the line perhaps that is understandable. Look what happened with Delgado. His transfers so far have been fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 22 August, 2010 Share Posted 22 August, 2010 Sorry, but its one hell of a game of chicken we are playing. It could easily and seriously backfire. It could be argued that it already has backfired... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 22 August, 2010 Share Posted 22 August, 2010 2 league games and one cup game in...let's see shall we? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 22 August, 2010 Share Posted 22 August, 2010 It could be argued that it already has backfired... Preaching to the converted, mate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 22 August, 2010 Share Posted 22 August, 2010 would hope he is being picky on signings! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 22 August, 2010 Share Posted 22 August, 2010 Preaching to the converted, mate. 3 games in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 22 August, 2010 Share Posted 22 August, 2010 The guy I spoke to is high up behind the scenes. Im very confident he knows whats going on. I agree theres not a big problem if we sign great players on Aug 30th rather than average players on Aug 25th. But the problem, as described to me, is not that. It's that AP has a "not made here" syndrome. I.e. he doesnt like recommendations from otehrs on principle. I hear AP is one of a four man committee who takes decisions on transfers. NC is on the committee as is Reed and the guy who heads up scouting. I also hear AP is none too enamoured with the arrangement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 22 August, 2010 Share Posted 22 August, 2010 no duff signings yet in over 12 months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintBobby Posted 22 August, 2010 Share Posted 22 August, 2010 no duff signings yet in over 12 months. and we can be sure there won't be any duff signings in the next 12 months. especially, if we don't make any... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 22 August, 2010 Share Posted 22 August, 2010 and we can be sure there won't be any duff signings in the next 12 months. especially, if we don't make any... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Billy Posted 22 August, 2010 Share Posted 22 August, 2010 If we are serious about promotion then we should not be playing cat and mouse with timings of transfers etc. This should have been more or less sorted long before now so we had the best possible start. As it is, we have already dropped points and if one of the top sides has a blinding half a dozen games we are already playing catchup. If this season is a failure then the plans of our buyers is already destroyed, where does that leave us? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 22 August, 2010 Share Posted 22 August, 2010 If we are serious about promotion then we should not be playing cat and mouse with timings of transfers etc. This should have been more or less sorted long before now so we had the best possible start. As it is, we have already dropped points and if one of the top sides has a blinding half a dozen games we are already playing catchup. If this season is a failure then the plans of our buyers is already destroyed, where does that leave us? In trouble. I agree completely with your post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ulstersaint Posted 22 August, 2010 Share Posted 22 August, 2010 Lots of transfers will take place as the window closure draws near and, as Pardew has said, when that happens movement higher up the football food chain will mean that Saints will be able to sign better players than those who are currently on offer. Some of the players Saints want are probably on hold until their present clubs secure replacements. Makes sense to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 22 August, 2010 Share Posted 22 August, 2010 I hear AP is one of a four man committee who takes decisions on transfers. NC is on the committee as is Reed and the guy who heads up scouting. I also hear AP is none too enamoured with the arrangement. Can't understand why, surely all those years in banking have set Nicola up for this committe perfectly? I'd love to be a fly on the wall in those meetings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 22 August, 2010 Share Posted 22 August, 2010 We have had 2 league games. If in the next week or so we bring in 2 players who improve our results what is the problem. If we don't make any signing and are struggling after 10 games, by all means slit your wrists, but after 2 games when you know we are looking to strengthen - jeez. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 22 August, 2010 Share Posted 22 August, 2010 (edited) We have had 2 league games. If in the next week or so we bring in 2 players who improve our results what is the problem. If we don't make any signing and are struggling after 10 games, by all means slit your wrists, but after 2 games when you know we are looking to strengthen - jeez. Who is slitting their wrists ? We are simply saying we expect NC to run out of patience and act and would support such action. Lets face it, if Pardew were to win every game 3-0 there would still be some on here knocking him. FFS, why cant you discuss anything like an adult ? Edited 22 August, 2010 by alpine_saint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingeletiss Posted 22 August, 2010 Share Posted 22 August, 2010 I can't believe some of the knicker wetters on here, two games in, and they're peeing themselves. Cripes, try supporting them as long as I have, and you'd see, that 1 point after two games is pretty good going at the start of a season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 22 August, 2010 Share Posted 22 August, 2010 and we can be sure there won't be any duff signings in the next 12 months. especially, if we don't make any... don't you think we will? I do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 22 August, 2010 Share Posted 22 August, 2010 lol last season we missed out on the playoffs and had a crap start...all down to no pre season and getting players in late now we appear to be having another crap start and pre season does not mean a great deal and it is better to wait for players.. which is it..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 22 August, 2010 Share Posted 22 August, 2010 The issue about no "preseason" last year was more about the fact that we had a whole new management/ownership structure start at the club. Once everything bedded down we did become a very competative club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintBobby Posted 22 August, 2010 Share Posted 22 August, 2010 2 games in (3 including Bournemouth), and we have been below par in every one. And against modest opposition too. I'm not slitting my wrists, but this is a VERY inauspiscious start. It can be turned around. Of course it can. But it needs to be turned around. Because if we continue on this trajectory - performance wise - we are heading for midtable. Something, somehow needs to happen to bring about a massive improvement. I know some are saying that we deserved to win against Plymouth and Leyton, but I don't see it. Certianly, we look nothing like the best team in the league at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 22 August, 2010 Share Posted 22 August, 2010 Who is slitting their wrists ? We are simply saying we expect NC to run out of patience and act and would support such action. FFS, why cant you discuss anything like an adult ? Because you constantly behave like a child. 2 games in and you are throwing your dummy out of the pram. I remember you managing to turn a 6-0 away win into a chance to have a dig at the manager at the time. It is a game Alpine. Whatever manager we have at any given point is doing his best to win matches, just as the opposition team manager is doing to us. We are not going to win every game, no matter who our manager or CEO is. If you can grasp those issues maybe we can have a grown up debate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 22 August, 2010 Share Posted 22 August, 2010 Because you constantly behave like a child. 2 games in and you are throwing your dummy out of the pram. I remember you managing to turn a 6-0 away win into a chance to have a dig at the manager at the time. It is a game Alpine. Whatever manager we have at any given point is doing his best to win matches, just as the opposition team manager is doing to us. We are not going to win every game, no matter who our manager or CEO is. If you can grasp those issues maybe we can have a grown up debate? Unfortunately, in this case Alpine's been proven right so far. We were all banging on about how important it was for us to come steaming out of the blockes from the very first game, and that hasn't happened yet. Yes, of course there's plenty of time left in the season and the transfer window is still open. But for the squad not to have been strengthened in two such vital areas (CM and RM) does point questions at the manager. I think Alpine was wrong when criticising AP in June and July for the lack of signings by then, but we're now in late August and seemingly no closer to getting the players AP said he needs. I still think we'll sign the players we're missing, and of course I think our fortunes will turn around. But it's no good re-writing history and pretending now that a slow start doesn't matter; it does. We're the "team to beat" in this division and the longer we stumble along the more difficult it will become to turn losses and draws consistently into wins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 22 August, 2010 Share Posted 22 August, 2010 I really don't think that the club has spent enough on players in the last year Ummm HELLO!! In 12 months we have signed - Frazer Richardson Jose Fonte Aaron Martin Dan Harding Danny Butterfield Ryan Dickson Radhi Jaidi Danny Seaborne Dean Hammond Jason Puncheon Lee Barnard David Connolly Rickie Lambert Add them to those already at club - Kelvin Davis Bartosz Bialkowski Joseph Mills Paul Wotton Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain Lee Holmes Morgan Schneiderlin Adam Lallana Not enough????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonManager Posted 22 August, 2010 Share Posted 22 August, 2010 Ummm HELLO!! In 12 months we have signed - Frazer Richardson Jose Fonte Aaron Martin Dan Harding Danny Butterfield Ryan Dickson Radhi Jaidi Danny Seaborne Dean Hammond Jason Puncheon Lee Barnard David Connolly Rickie Lambert Add them to those already at club - Kelvin Davis Bartosz Bialkowski Joseph Mills Paul Wotton Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain Lee Holmes Morgan Schneiderlin Adam Lallana Not enough????? No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victor Posted 22 August, 2010 Share Posted 22 August, 2010 We have had a stop-start season with 2 quick games and then a big gap, all of these in front of you miserable sods. Away from home on Saturday and we will win 3-1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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