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S-Clarke

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I wanted to put this on it's own thread, as i felt it's too important to be left to get lost in the main thread.

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/paulfletcher/2010/08/pardew_sacking_at_saints_raise.html#248300

 

its quite revealing, and also paints a new light on the situation. As according to them, it was Markus who wanted Pardew sacked last year and it was Cortese who convinced him to stick with him.

 

Very interesting.

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Appears that Pards was not or indeed could not fit in with the system, let alone persuade NC that he was the man to deliver automatic promotion.

 

If so, NC was absolutely right to lance the boil now rather than let it run and fester over a prolonged period of time.

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Appears that Pards was not or indeed could not fit in with the system, let alone persuade NC that he was the man to deliver automatic promotion.

 

If so, NC was absolutely right to lance the boil now rather than let it run and fester over a prolonged period of time.

 

No. What's different between now and the last game of last season? Answer: a preseason and a whole transfer window. All totally wasted. So even if NC is "right" to sack Pardew, its a ferk-up.

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So Cortese actually defended Pardew and if wasen't for him he would of been sacked at the end of last season. That throws a few spanners in the works for those people who say Cortese simply didn't like him etc..

The way the blog is written makes it sound like Pardew was not too popular behind the scenes with the rest of the staff. That people left because of the way he works. That is the total opposite of what people on here have said.

I doubt Pardew will say anything though, most managers who get sacked never do. Maybe they have a NDA signed or something so that when they do leave neither can say anything bad about the other?

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Is this a deliberate leak to blame the sacking on a dead man

 

Yup, also doubt it, Paul Fletcher is a well respected journo who has good contacts in the game and a decent nose as to whats going on.

 

Highly likely he would knowingly spin something for any club and he's unlikely to be naive enough to be taken in by idle gossip.

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Definataly more to this sacking than meets the eye. I know for a fact (from the goalkeeping coach) that the management team were told by NC that play offs were unacceptable this season. 1st or 2nd only and if they werent on course for that sort of finish in october they were told that they would be replaced.

 

Has anyone else heard rumours of AP playing around with a female staff member and ML viewed this sort of behavior as unacceptable by his standards. However NC convinced him to stick with him. I heard this a couple of times but nothing concrete or from particularly reliable sources. Mabe bull**** but either way there is clearly more to this story under the surface than we will ever be told. I fully expect much more gossip to surface our of the club over the coming days / weeks.

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Doesnt fit your agenda, does it ?

 

you really need to get a life little man, thats the second fred today that you have popped up with a comment against sadoldgit (who i have no idea who he is) looking for a fight, people like you just make this forum a joke.

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who are the support staff tat resigned? Can anyone confirm who these people are and their reasons for resigning?

 

That's what I'd like to know. Whoever they are, they're certainly not high profile people.

 

Also, should we read much into how Wally Downes was given a prominent match day role this season, with Wilkins taking more of a backseat role, at least in terms of giving instructions to players? Sometimes it's like Wilkins wasn't even there.

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That's what I'd like to know. Whoever they are, they're certainly not high profile people.

 

Also, should we read much into how Wally Downes was given a prominent match day role this season, with Wilkins taking more of a backseat role, at least in terms of giving instructions to players? Sometimes it's like Wilkins wasn't even there.

 

I did notice that, but wasn't sure what to make of it.

 

Last season it was always wilkins out on the touchline barking orders.

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It is surely more likely that NC wanted to sack AP but Marcus over ruled him. Now Marcus has gone NC gets his way!There was plenty of talk that NC wanted AP out wasn't there ...

I agree that sounds far more credible. It would explain the unusual timing as well. ML keen to give AP a chance, NC relucantly going along with it etc etc. As usual, i doubt we'll ever know.

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Definataly more to this sacking than meets the eye. I know for a fact (from the goalkeeping coach) that the management team were told by NC that play offs were unacceptable this season. 1st or 2nd only and if they werent on course for that sort of finish in october they were told that they would be replaced.

 

Has anyone else heard rumours of AP playing around with a female staff member and ML viewed this sort of behavior as unacceptable by his standards. However NC convinced him to stick with him. I heard this a couple of times but nothing concrete or from particularly reliable sources. Mabe bull**** but either way there is clearly more to this story under the surface than we will ever be told. I fully expect much more gossip to surface our of the club over the coming days / weeks.

 

Interesting. I heard from my West Ham supporting brother that the reason he got the push from them was that he was ****ging Carl Fletcher's missus.

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Funny how all these rumours and ITK comments come out now, but were silent just yesterday.

 

Well I was told about this when Pardew was appointed but didn't want to post it then as that sort of gossip does the club no favours. Now AP has gone it don't matter. Probably BS anyway.

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Interesting. I heard from my West Ham supporting brother that the reason he got the push from them was that he was ****ging Carl Fletcher's missus.

 

I've heard this as well, aparantly it was well known at WHU that this was going on.

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So basically some nobodies who none of our fans know didn't get on with the 1st team manager? Sorry can't see that as enough, being 'the manager' allows you the priviledge of having a say in things and not having to fall into line with a youth team coach.

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So basically some nobodies who none of our fans know didn't get on with the 1st team manager? Sorry can't see that as enough, being 'the manager' allows you the priviledge of having a say in things and not having to fall into line with a youth team coach.

 

It depends how many of them there were as well as what they were. We don't know what these 'nobodies' as you put it actually did. If Pardew was creating a whole lingering myst of tension within the club, he had to go. I doubt it is as simple as that though.

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It depends how many of them there were as well as what they were. We don't know what these 'nobodies' as you put it actually did. If Pardew was creating a whole lingering myst of tension within the club, he had to go. I doubt it is as simple as that though.

 

well as no one seems to know anything about it or who they are, then it suggests they weren't exactly massive cogs in the SFC wheel. Apparantly the players liked him as did the first team staff, surely that is all that matters. Not if the U8's summer schools coach doesn't like him. To me it's clear, Cortese wanted to get rid of Pardew, they clearly didn't see eye to eye, ML liked him, now ML (RIP) is no longer involved, Cortese can get rid of him.

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well as no one seems to know anything about it or who they are, then it suggests they weren't exactly massive cogs in the SFC wheel. Apparantly the players liked him as did the first team staff, surely that is all that matters. Not if the U8's summer schools coach doesn't like him. To me it's clear, Cortese wanted to get rid of Pardew, they clearly didn't see eye to eye, ML liked him, now ML (RIP) is no longer involved, Cortese can get rid of him.

 

Jeez didnt think speculation could actually be way-off - but this comes close

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Why? What do you know that we don't?

 

Not ITK or anything - just trying to join the dots as dispassionately as possible.

 

Unless the whole media is being mugged off, the consensus is that ML wanted to replace AP, but that NC stepped in to defend him. I doubt that anybody who fed this story to the media would use a dead man's name gratuitously or misrepresent his views.

 

Throw into the mix that AP was allowed to prepare the squad during the close-season and bring in new players -indeed he was talking up a new signing only on the weekend, and its hard to believe that his fate was sealed ages ago and this is the inevitable culmination of a long-standing agenda. Yes NC and AP didnt see eye to eye on alot of things but thats not the same as some of the boring conspiratorial BS on here.

 

Finally, just because we didn't know about the behind the scenes unrest doesn't necessarily mean the protagonists were small fry - after all the club has done a pretty good job at keeping some very big things quiet.

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