4 days on...

[SaintDonkey]

Anthony Pulis signed a 2 year contract on August the 29th 2008 this expired 4 days ago. Why have we no news about a new contract for such a key player?

 

http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/page/ProfilesDetail/0,,10280~29616,00.html

 

 

 

(frivolous I know but I'm fed up with everything else)

[andybeal]

He's being interviewed for a player manager role.

[stevegrant]

Player contracts expire on 30th June, regardless of when during the year they were signed. He'll be here until next summer.

[The Kraken]

So he had a 2 year contract, with an option of a third year which has obviously subsequently been exercised.

 

Who on earth decided that was a good idea?!

[stevegrant]

I assume it was somewhat forced upon us in order to get £1m for (crocked, as it turned out) Andrew Davies. In the end, I think we did alright out of that particular deal, it's not as if we've had to expose Pulis to the first-team at any stage, after all

[SaintRichmond]

So he had a 2 year contract, with an option of a third year which has obviously subsequently been exercised.

 

Who on earth decided that was a good idea?!

 

Pardew

 

And when Cortese found out, he sacked him

 

Simples

[Scummer]

I assume it was somewhat forced upon us in order to get £1m for (crocked, as it turned out) Andrew Davies. In the end, I think we did alright out of that particular deal, it's not as if we've had to expose Pulis to the first-team at any stage, after all

 

He'll probably have cost us a million quid for 3 years wages.

[stevegrant]

He'll probably have cost us a million quid for 3 years wages.

You reckon he'd have been on more than £6k a week?!

 

Consider the timing of when we bought him, everything was being scaled back. I'll be amazed if he's on more than £2k a week, and even that's probably after bonuses.

[Scummer]

You reckon he'd have been on more than £6k a week?!

 

Consider the timing of when we bought him, everything was being scaled back. I'll be amazed if he's on more than £2k a week, and even that's probably after bonuses.

 

I was assuming maybe 3 or 4 k plus all the associated costs of employing someone like national insurance and benefits.

[Toomer]

You reckon he'd have been on more than £6k a week?!

 

Consider the timing of when we bought him, everything was being scaled back. I'll be amazed if he's on more than £2k a week, and even that's probably after bonuses.

 

£2k Steve, at 55 I could get my boots out a do as much as he has.

[buctootim]

£2k Steve, at 55 I could get my boots out a do as much as he has.

 

But as said - in the end we got £1m for a crocked Davies, and saved another c£800,000 on his wages - making us £1.8m up in exchange for paying maybe £450,000 to Pulis over three years. Still good business considering Davies has played about the same for Stoke as Pulis has for Saints.

Edited 2 September, 2010 by buctootim

[SaintDonkey]

I assume it was somewhat forced upon us in order to get £1m for (crocked, as it turned out) Andrew Davies. In the end, I think we did alright out of that particular deal, it's not as if we've had to expose Pulis to the first-team at any stage, after all

 

But surely any deal to give Pulis the extra year was with Southampton Leisure Holdings - why would the post-Lowe Southampton have any obligation to honour it?

[alpine_saint]

Pardew

 

And when Cortese found out, he sacked him

 

Simples

 

Ah, so this is the libellous statement that Stevegrant is worried about. Pardew extending Pulis's contract

 

Oh sh*t, I just quoted it and commented on it

[S-Clarke]

It's been nice knowing you alps.

[RonManager]

Ah, so this is the libellous statement that Stevegrant is worried about. Pardew extending Pulis's contract

 

Oh sh*t, I just quoted it and commented on it

 

Schoolboy error, Mr Pinesaint.

[benjii]

Albert Pinesaint.

 

That's a good name!

[RonManager]

Albert Pinesaint.

 

That's a good name!

 

I think you'll find its Aloysius.

[70's Mike]

£2k Steve, at 55 I could get my boots out a do as much as he has.

 

that would bring the crowds back

[Miltonaggro]

We should instigate a sticky: 'Pulis Watch' as we approach autumn!...

[Doctoroncall]

We should instigate a sticky: 'Pulis Watch' as we approach autumn!...

 

as well as the Pulis T-shirt and mug?

[Gemmel]

We should instigate a sticky: 'Pulis Watch' as we approach autumn!...

 

I heard that Brock were coming in for him, The Rosie are also interested, the Foresters told him to fook off, and the Snakecatcher offered him chief bottlewasher position.

[St Landrew]

4 Days in, re: Saints, and I still feel flat. Someone mentioned elsewhere about Cortese doing this or that, but mainly taking a big bunch of flowers round to Pardew and asking him back into the fold. When AP was introduced to us, I thought... Hmph..! I suppose we could do a lot worse. That's once again the feeling and my fear. At least with AP, we knew what the score was [pun not intended]. We pretty much knew his weaknesses; his strengths; that fact that he'd screw up occasionally, but not often; the interviews where he saw the same game as us supporters; and the simple feeling that, despite everything, he'd probably do the job right enough, in the end. At least, in this division. Over his time with us, I'd built up faith in him. He was a Southampton man.

 

But now we've got to do it all again. The new manager is probably going to be a disappointment, unless he is high profile enough to satisfy this group of supporters expectations. All the talk of Zola, Shearer and such, and headline names though they may be, but I'd rather have Pardew back, simply because he's proven. You know what you'd get, and it would almost certainly be good enough. So I don't want Eddie Howe, despite his excellence at Bournemouth. I don't want Tony Mowbray, with his attacking style, but no defence. No Hoddle or Keegan, or other has beens. I don't really want Billy Davies, or his ilk, although I'd have less objection. There are the so-called managers who are out of work who wouldn't stoop to the depths of League One, like Martin O'Neill, and I would say that his appointment would certainly make me feel better. But the good feeling has certainly gone for the moment. I know we still don't know the reasons for why AP has gone, but I hope we find out eventually, for everyone's sake. Otherwise it remains a strange decision, and not a single person comes out of it looking well.

 

I believe Cortese does what he thinks is absolutely right for the club, and so I'll back him. But still, 4 days in, I think I just want Pardew back as the man. I want continuity.

[Saint J 77]

4 Days in, re: Saints, and I still feel flat. Someone mentioned elsewhere about Cortese doing this or that, but mainly taking a big bunch of flowers round to Pardew and asking him back into the fold. When AP was introduced to us, I thought... Hmph..! I suppose we could do a lot worse. That's once again the feeling and my fear. At least with AP, we knew what the score was [pun not intended]. We pretty much knew his weaknesses; his strengths; that fact that he'd screw up occasionally, but not often; the interviews where he saw the same game as us supporters; and the simple feeling that, despite everything, he'd probably do the job right enough, in the end. At least, in this division. Over his time with us, I'd built up faith in him. He was a Southampton man.

 

But now we've got to do it all again. The new manager is probably going to be a disappointment, unless he is high profile enough to satisfy this group of supporters expectations. All the talk of Zola, Shearer and such, and headline names though they may be, but I'd rather have Pardew back, simply because he's proven. You know what you'd get, and it would almost certainly be good enough. So I don't want Eddie Howe, despite his excellence at Bournemouth. I don't want Tony Mowbray, with his attacking style, but no defence. No Hoddle or Keegan, or other has beens. I don't really want Billy Davies, or his ilk, although I'd have less objection. There are the so-called managers who are out of work who wouldn't stoop to the depths of League One, like Martin O'Neill, and I would say that his appointment would certainly make me feel better. But the good feeling has certainly gone for the moment. I know we still don't know the reasons for why AP has gone, but I hope we find out eventually, for everyone's sake. Otherwise it remains a strange decision, and not a single person comes out of it looking well.

 

I believe Cortese does what he thinks is absolutely right for the club, and so I'll back him. But still, 4 days in, I think I just want Pardew back as the man. I want continuity.

 

I feel exactly the same and I think most fans are feeling this way right now. I know it would never happen but even if Cortese did a BIG turn about and asked him back the damage has been done. It would never be the same. Any little whisper of discontent and there would be more disharmony between the fans and probably the players.

 

Cortese now has an impossible task of bringing in a manager thats going to most importantly produce the goods and then unite the fan base. What really worries me is I just can't see any names out there that are going to do this. I live in hope but nothing ever runs smoothly for Saints these days. I hope this is the start of a new era not another false dawn.

[alpine_saint]

4 Days in, re: Saints, and I still feel flat. Someone mentioned elsewhere about Cortese doing this or that, but mainly taking a big bunch of flowers round to Pardew and asking him back into the fold. When AP was introduced to us, I thought... Hmph..! I suppose we could do a lot worse. That's once again the feeling and my fear. At least with AP, we knew what the score was [pun not intended]. We pretty much knew his weaknesses; his strengths; that fact that he'd screw up occasionally, but not often; the interviews where he saw the same game as us supporters; and the simple feeling that, despite everything, he'd probably do the job right enough, in the end. At least, in this division. Over his time with us, I'd built up faith in him. He was a Southampton man.

 

But now we've got to do it all again. The new manager is probably going to be a disappointment, unless he is high profile enough to satisfy this group of supporters expectations. All the talk of Zola, Shearer and such, and headline names though they may be, but I'd rather have Pardew back, simply because he's proven. You know what you'd get, and it would almost certainly be good enough. So I don't want Eddie Howe, despite his excellence at Bournemouth. I don't want Tony Mowbray, with his attacking style, but no defence. No Hoddle or Keegan, or other has beens. I don't really want Billy Davies, or his ilk, although I'd have less objection. There are the so-called managers who are out of work who wouldn't stoop to the depths of League One, like Martin O'Neill, and I would say that his appointment would certainly make me feel better. But the good feeling has certainly gone for the moment. I know we still don't know the reasons for why AP has gone, but I hope we find out eventually, for everyone's sake. Otherwise it remains a strange decision, and not a single person comes out of it looking well.

 

I believe Cortese does what he thinks is absolutely right for the club, and so I'll back him. But still, 4 days in, I think I just want Pardew back as the man. I want continuity.

 

I dont get this post. You say you knew what we'd get with AP, but then say we wouldnt know with Mowbray, then comment on his style of management ?

 

With the exception of Shearer, all of the ex-managers you listed have known qualities and abilities. And weaknesses....

 

O'neill would be my favourite from them, followed by Mowbray, followed by Davies. I really dont know why some people have such a downer on Billy Davies - he gets results. And thats what we need at the moment. The pretty tappy stuff can come later. Though NC doesnt agree, apparently.

[Andy Durman]

Maybe a big win over Rochdale will make us all feel much better and confirm that our squad is so good that the manager is not as important as we believe. We can dream I suppose. However do Swindon really have a better squad than ours? and how much did their's cost?

[yorkie]

It's not about squads - it's about teamwork! We have a side full of good palyers - but sometimes they just don't play to their strengths.

For example David Connolly makes some intelligent runs - but no one seems to be able to read them or pass it to his his feet. We tend to hoof it forward hoping he can muscle his way in! The hoof to Lambert should be the get out ball - not the only ball. We create space and spread the play only for either a useless cross, a good cross that no one anticipates or a lame dribble and no shot at goal.

We may have the best squad - but we don't have the best team - perhaps the combinations are all wrong?

I also think after the big pre-season bonding session in Switzerland - they all get on as "mates" but it isn't reflected on the pitch. On Tuesday night I saw the good old days return - the blame culture & finger pointing as to why "they " scored!

Don't get me wrong - I'll still await results every week - try to get to games but my expectations are so low at the moment when they should be sky high!

Big plans require big balls to see them through - and I think some of the team don't stand up to the line and get counted.

We are one of the biggest clubs at this level - but we still manage to roll over for "lesser" sides at home (and away). We have to accept teams will raise their game against us - but we should be more than good enough to see them off.

Rant over - just another Friday morning with more on my mind than work.

[Kingsbridge Saint]

Still can't believe Cortese didn't have anyone lined up - it makes the sackings look real stupid, knee jerk and done with no strategic intent. having said that, if the lads beat Rochdale I'll feel a bit better, but will still be looking for an improvement on Pards as the appointment. If we don't beat Rochdale I am going to start getting seriously ****ed off.

[croydonsaint]

I wonder if Pardew will turn up on sky at the week end. A bit strange we have not heard even a whisper from him, or "sources close to"

Surely new manager will at least be in the stands on saturday.

[Saint Fan CaM]

It's not about squads - it's about teamwork! We have a side full of good palyers - but sometimes they just don't play to their strengths.

For example David Connolly makes some intelligent runs - but no one seems to be able to read them or pass it to his his feet. We tend to hoof it forward hoping he can muscle his way in! The hoof to Lambert should be the get out ball - not the only ball. We create space and spread the play only for either a useless cross, a good cross that no one anticipates or a lame dribble and no shot at goal.

We may have the best squad - but we don't have the best team - perhaps the combinations are all wrong?

I also think after the big pre-season bonding session in Switzerland - they all get on as "mates" but it isn't reflected on the pitch. On Tuesday night I saw the good old days return - the blame culture & finger pointing as to why "they " scored!

Don't get me wrong - I'll still await results every week - try to get to games but my expectations are so low at the moment when they should be sky high!

Big plans require big balls to see them through - and I think some of the team don't stand up to the line and get counted.

We are one of the biggest clubs at this level - but we still manage to roll over for "lesser" sides at home (and away). We have to accept teams will raise their game against us - but we should be more than good enough to see them off.

Rant over - just another Friday morning with more on my mind than work.

 

You've raised some good points there Yorkie as usual. I made a post a day or two ago debating that there are essentially two type of team in any respective division...

 

a. the team that is made up of more expensive players that are individually classed as top players for the division they are in, but for some reason these teams sometimes underachieve. The team is put together with the intention of keeping most players together for the next league up. (Saints now).

 

b. the team that is made up of lesser talent, but have a charasmatic Manager who tells them they're the dog's B's - they believe him because he gets them playing as a unit to their strengths (weaknesses) - no pretences - no fancy stuff, just hard grit and determination. They tend to punch above their weight and win some surprising games, but also live a bit on the edge. (Saints in the Prem under Strachan).

 

Actually there is a third type in the Prem - the teams that have money and a combination of the above two types....e.g. Man U, Chelski, Arsenal and Spurs.

[SFC Forever]

I have not seen much mention of Paul Jewell who could do a job for us I think.