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Not the sort of player we need really, we need a big man so that we can rest Lambert.

 

However if we are signing two strikers i would take him.

 

We NEED, another CM. A wide man with something a bit different to apply changes during games. A replacement for Lambert to take the pressure off.

 

Any more than that is a bonus.

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Dont get me wrong, it sounds like a good idea, but why should he go out on loan when he is their top scorer?

 

This should answer 'Nexstar's question.. A large fee would be agreed for when the December transfer window opened,as the transfer window closed on the 1st of September?

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Not the type of player we need?!! We need different options, not a poor lambert back up. Le fondre would be an amazing signing and could probably play with lambert or Barnard.

 

You missed my point really.

 

Which was he is a similar type of player to Barnard, and we need to have other options ATM. Ideally a target man to play as back up to Lambert.

 

Don't get me wrong, if i was clamouring for him over the summer and i would in the words of KK, LOVE IT if we signed him.

 

But we need a midfielder, wide men and a big lump to take some pressure off of Rickie.

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we need an alternative to Barnard and Lambert - apart from Connolly - coz at the moment none of the 3 are working

 

and Le Fondre does score goals at the moment and wants to play at a higher level - and I think he would give us the competition we need up front

 

as for a big man up front - how about getting Sam Vokes in on loan to lead the line

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we need an alternative to Barnard and Lambert - apart from Connolly - coz at the moment none of the 3 are working

 

and Le Fondre does score goals at the moment and wants to play at a higher level - and I think he would give us the competition we need up front

 

as for a big man up front - how about getting Sam Vokes in on loan to lead the line

 

Vokes is at Brizzle me nizzle.

 

I think he is valued very highly for what he is, and has not been proven at a higher level.

 

But the more i think, i am worried Connelly is not going to last the season, and he hasn't really been too effective in the starts he has had.

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The money has run out! Somebody is surely going to notice that we havent splashed the cash since that big outlay in the january window. What have we done since then? Three low-price fullbacks, a loan midfielder from Italy, and a squabble over compensation with S****horpe. its not good.

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The money has run out! Somebody is surely going to notice that we havent splashed the cash since that big outlay in the january window. What have we done since then? Three low-price fullbacks, a loan midfielder from Italy, and a squabble over compensation with S****horpe. its not good.

 

I wouldn't say 500k for a full back in L1 is low price.

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With NA saying on Solent that both Barnard and Connolly are carrying injuries' date=' in addition to Lambo, it might be an excellent time to panic loan a couple of strikers. And a midfielder to replace Hammond. And a winger.[/quote']

 

Spot on, one striker with height and one with pace. That's irritating if Barnard is injured, he's looked good when eligible to play this year but Connolly is no loss, just a has-been sicknote. Add a winger with pace to help out Ox-C and get Puncheon out of the side and another more dynamic CM and it would transform us. To recover some of the costs, Harding can go out on loan as we have Dickson and Mills and Puncheon can go out on a short loan once Lallana is fit again.

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There's a piece on Le Fondre (its French for pouncer apparently) in The Guardian today - 7 goals in 7 games so far this season.

 

It also says that Rotherham would accept £850,000 plus add ons taking it to £1.5 millon for him.

 

Sorry - I realised Vokes was on loan at Bristol not long after I suggested him!

 

I think the money might well have run out - the signing of Connolly on a one year deal in the summer made me wonder that as with his injury record and at his age it smacked on a no alternative signing. It would also make sense as to why we failed to bring in players like Antonio, Matt Phillips, etc in the transfer window.

 

With all our Strikers injured and off-form if we have the money Le Fondre is a must signing.

 

If we don't have the money to strengthen the team in the loan window or in January we will have to be patient as fans - it will take us another 2 or 3 seasons to grow and develop a team good enough to get promoted - players like Lambert, Schneiderlin, Lallana and Fonte will look to leave in the January transfer window - or if not then next summer. If that's the case lets hope we can re-invest the transfer fees in young lower league talent that can grow with the club.

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As the clock ticks on and on I am beginning to think that we may indeed be a busted flush in the transfer market. The team is crying out for competition for places in key areas and a lot of good (and reasonably cheap) players have gone begging already. I said on another thread that the appointment of NA could be the signal that we intend to 'coach' rather than 'buy' our way out of division three, all very honourable but in that case the manager is likely to need more than a season to get it right...

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Barry the Badger

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You missed my point really.

 

Which was he is a similar type of player to Barnard, and we need to have other options ATM. Ideally a target man to play as back up to Lambert.

 

Don't get me wrong, if i was clamouring for him over the summer and i would in the words of KK, LOVE IT if we signed him.

 

But we need a midfielder, wide men and a big lump to take some pressure off of Rickie.

 

Don't agree, there are plenty of teams who play without a 'target man' very succesfully.

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our forwards are not the issue at the moment, they know, as do we that they can score for fun in this league. The problem is clearly the midfield with the lack of creativity. Thats where I would strengthen with any loan fund we may have

 

Really? On saturday at one point Lambert broke free of the colchester defence. Last season he would have buried the chance on saturday he looked like he didn't know what to do with it. In almost every game this season we've had more shots on/off target than the opposition and failed to score. We're creating chances but were not taking them not sure thats a midfield problem.

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Really? On saturday at one point Lambert broke free of the colchester defence. Last season he would have buried the chance on saturday he looked like he didn't know what to do with it. In almost every game this season we've had more shots on/off target than the opposition and failed to score. We're creating chances but were not taking them not sure thats a midfield problem.

 

Really??? so you point to 1 chance that he had to wait how long for? MK dons 2nd half we created nothing. Swindon, pretty much the same. Rochdale, same.

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Really??? so you point to 1 chance that he had to wait how long for? MK dons 2nd half we created nothing. Swindon, pretty much the same. Rochdale, same.

 

One of our strikers is the problem. The other one, Barnard, has played very well in every game he's played, but Lambert just isn't anywhere near on form yet. That one which doddisalegend pointed out really summed his game up at the moment. Hammond played a brilliant little ball through to him over the defence, and Rickie almost fell over himself, not having a clue what to do. Last season it would have been one touch, goal.

 

Our midfield is partly to blame, but we are getting shots on goal, plenty in fact. We just cannot finish.

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Really? On saturday at one point Lambert broke free of the colchester defence. Last season he would have buried the chance on saturday he looked like he didn't know what to do with it. In almost every game this season we've had more shots on/off target than the opposition and failed to score. We're creating chances but were not taking them not sure thats a midfield problem.

 

this is in fact correct, there is far far too much focus on the central midfield, they aren't there to be our principal goal scorers, they are there to break up attacks,recover the ball and relay it forward. Puncheon, Chamberlain,Barnard and Lambert are there to score goals,but as they can't do that just now there is a clamour for every other player on the pitch to be a doing their job for them.

We need a striker who can score and a wide player who can make something of stuff that falls to the corner of the box, ie RL of last season and Lallana or Antonio.Morgan and Deano are(probably) doing exactly what they're supposed to be doing.

 

 

furthermore we need to get rid of those ridiculous grandad shorts,they're probably slowing the lads down by half a yard every time.

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SparkySaint

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Not the sort of player we need really, we need a big man so that we can rest Lambert.

 

However if we are signing two strikers i would take him.

 

We NEED, another CM. A wide man with something a bit different to apply changes during games. A replacement for Lambert to take the pressure off.

 

Any more than that is a bonus.

 

I'm not so sure. We need a striker who is a right time right place sort of player. ALF is that player. Why do we need a big lump up front? Wide players that can get behind defences and killer balls are much better than hoofing it up to big strikers. Don't get me wrong, I'm a big Lambert fan

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Really??? so you point to 1 chance that he had to wait how long for? MK dons 2nd half we created nothing. Swindon, pretty much the same. Rochdale, same.

 

Rocdale game we had 22 attempts on goal to their 6

 

http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/page/MatchReport/0,,10280~52805,00.html

 

colchester 16 attempts on goal to their 6

 

http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/page/MatchReport/0,,10280~52908,00.html

 

Away from home (Swindon and Dons) I'll concede we've had less chances but still as many as the home team in both games. To me that points to a lack of finishing not a lack of chances.

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why the obsession with a big man to replace lambert? I went to the Boro game at the weekend as I was up north for the great north run and took in the game whilst i as there.

 

They play wth Lita up front and Mcdonald playing in the hole behind who plays some really clever balls through. These two guys are far from big and strong but rely on pace (Lita) and quick and incisive passing through Mcdonald. I can tell you they looked really dangerous and were a real handfull for the Reading CB's. Ultimately its about playing to your players stregths that brings success.

 

so if we sign another classy striker who isnt big and strong (ala lambert) then we just need to adjust our tactics to accomadate them. This i guess could be this elusive Plan B that we seem to be lacking?

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why the obsession with a big man to replace lambert? I went to the Boro game at the weekend as I was up north for the great north run and took in the game whilst i as there.

 

They play wth Lita up front and Mcdonald playing in the hole behind who plays some really clever balls through. These two guys are far from big and strong but rely on pace (Lita) and quick and incisive passing through Mcdonald. I can tell you they looked really dangerous and were a real handfull for the Reading CB's. Ultimately its about playing to your players stregths that brings success.

 

so if we sign another classy striker who isnt big and strong (ala lambert) then we just need to adjust our tactics to accomadate them. This i guess could be this elusive Plan B that we seem to be lacking?

 

Valid point, wild-saint. Adkins' record of bringing strikers through @ S****horpe: The likes of Beckford, Paterson, Sharp, Hayes & Hooper shows that perhaps NA perhaps won't target a big target man.

 

We need to address the striker situation, because Connolly's injury record is far too dodgy for him to be 3rd choice for the whole season.

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There's a piece on Le Fondre (its French for pouncer apparently) in The Guardian today - 7 goals in 7 games so far this season.

 

It also says that Rotherham would accept £850,000 plus add ons taking it to £1.5 millon for him.

 

Sorry - I realised Vokes was on loan at Bristol not long after I suggested him!

 

I think the money might well have run out - the signing of Connolly on a one year deal in the summer made me wonder that as with his injury record and at his age it smacked on a no alternative signing. It would also make sense as to why we failed to bring in players like Antonio, Matt Phillips, etc in the transfer window.

 

With all our Strikers injured and off-form if we have the money Le Fondre is a must signing.

 

If we don't have the money to strengthen the team in the loan window or in January we will have to be patient as fans - it will take us another 2 or 3 seasons to grow and develop a team good enough to get promoted - players like Lambert, Schneiderlin, Lallana and Fonte will look to leave in the January transfer window - or if not then next summer. If that's the case lets hope we can re-invest the transfer fees in young lower league talent that can grow with the club.

 

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/football-league-blog/2010/sep/20/adam-le-fondre-rotherham-barnet

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I think the money might well have run out - the signing of Connolly on a one year deal in the summer made me wonder that as with his injury record and at his age it smacked on a no alternative signing. It would also make sense as to why we failed to bring in players like Antonio, Matt Phillips, etc in the transfer window.

 

If we don't have the money to strengthen the team in the loan window or in January we will have to be patient as fans - it will take us another 2 or 3 seasons to grow and develop a team good enough to get promoted - players like Lambert, Schneiderlin, Lallana and Fonte will look to leave in the January transfer window - or if not then next summer. If that's the case lets hope we can re-invest the transfer fees in young lower league talent that can grow with the club.

 

Agree, I think we are not as rich as some fans think. If we were why would we start the season with only 3 strikers? We have had all summer, and now over 2 weeks of the loan window to get players in? Adkins has been here a week now and still no loan signings.

 

On a positive note you don't have to spend big to get put of this league Milwall, Doncaster and S****horpe to name a few have all proved that.

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Rocdale game we had 22 attempts on goal to their 6

 

http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/page/MatchReport/0,,10280~52805,00.html

 

colchester 16 attempts on goal to their 6

 

http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/page/MatchReport/0,,10280~52908,00.html

 

Away from home (Swindon and Dons) I'll concede we've had less chances but still as many as the home team in both games. To me that points to a lack of finishing not a lack of chances.

 

sorry but i was at both those games and there is no way in hell we had that many attempts on goal. How many were off target? How many actually forced a save? How many were from 30+ yards which is all we managed v MK dons and 2 of RL free kicks v Colchester. Last season if we had had that many chances they would have been from a closer range and more than likely resulted in goals.

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A target man can be 5'11 if they have a decent jump. BUT, why do we need one?

 

How many times on here are Saints, or Pardew, criticising, quite rightly, for playing long ball or having no plan B?

 

Yet now, people want to have a replacement for Lambert in the same mould if he's off form, ie. if Plan A isn't working, find someone else to slot into Plan A.

 

No. If Lambert isn't working, we need to try something different. You can't have quality back up for your best players in the lower leagues. You just need something different for when it isn't working. The idea of signing players as back-up got us into a complete mess over the years. Players coming in should be for the first team or for the future, nothing else.

 

Re-read my posts (in particular my chat with Pancake), I didnt say that Le Fondre IS a target man, nor did I say we need one.

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A target man can be 5'11 if they have a decent jump. BUT, why do we need one?

 

How many times on here are Saints, or Pardew, criticising, quite rightly, for playing long ball or having no plan B?

 

Yet now, people want to have a replacement for Lambert in the same mould if he's off form, ie. if Plan A isn't working, find someone else to slot into Plan A.

 

No. If Lambert isn't working, we need to try something different. You can't have quality back up for your best players in the lower leagues. You just need something different for when it isn't working. The idea of signing players as back-up got us into a complete mess over the years. Players coming in should be for the first team or for the future, nothing else.

 

This is true. The best header of a ball at Hillsborough offensively and defensively is Marcus Tudgay and he is only 5'9". He's the best by a long way too.

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