Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 14 October, 2010 Share Posted 14 October, 2010 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/paulfletcher/2010/10/what_has_gone_wrong_at_boro.html#263005 My opinion is that he isn't a great manager, and he got very lucky with us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesfp1 Posted 14 October, 2010 Share Posted 14 October, 2010 great picture Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 14 October, 2010 Share Posted 14 October, 2010 He isn't a bad manager but not outstanding, he made us very hard to beat, it was almost boring under him. I don't know, sometimes things just don't turn out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simondo Posted 14 October, 2010 Share Posted 14 October, 2010 Great for us and we all lived his crazy ways! - we actually had not a bad bunch of players at the time and he was able to get the best from them. i didn't think we were boring either - but a guess not losing so often made it more interesting!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special K Posted 14 October, 2010 Share Posted 14 October, 2010 He did well at Celtic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 14 October, 2010 Share Posted 14 October, 2010 He took a poor team and made it competitive through fitness and hard work. Sadly, that seems to be the trick most managers in the championship go for. He's been found out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 14 October, 2010 Share Posted 14 October, 2010 He did well at Celtic. Yet the Celtic fans never liked him. I bet they miss those days now though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bucks Saint Posted 14 October, 2010 Share Posted 14 October, 2010 He isn't a bad manager but not outstanding, he made us very hard to beat, it was almost boring under him. I don't know, sometimes things just don't turn out. If he was as you say, then I will happily have a not oustanding manager who makes us almost boring every season please Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK the 2nd Posted 14 October, 2010 Share Posted 14 October, 2010 He took a poor team and made it competitive through fitness and hard work. I agree with this ... He did the same with Coventry for many years. My Scottish pal thought he did ok with little talent at Celtic and got an unnecessary slating Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toomer Posted 14 October, 2010 Share Posted 14 October, 2010 He was worth having here just for his quick after match one liners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prince Jazzbo Posted 14 October, 2010 Share Posted 14 October, 2010 He did well at Celtic. I could do well at Celtic, I could guarantee a couple of SPL titles and a couple of 2nd places. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Langleysaint Posted 14 October, 2010 Share Posted 14 October, 2010 I could do well at Celtic, I could guarantee a couple of SPL titles and a couple of 2nd places. Get back to work Prince !!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cat Posted 14 October, 2010 Share Posted 14 October, 2010 Got us very fit and playing consistent, if slightly one dimensional football. Think he was lucky that we had some decent players at the time whose morale and team ethic he improved. Seemed like the players (Fernandes excepted) wanted to do well and win for him. Either that or they were just all **** scared of Pendry and were too afraid to lose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 14 October, 2010 Share Posted 14 October, 2010 His achievements at Boro shouldnt detract from the job he did for us. He got us into the top ten of the EPL, and one step away from an FA Cup. To me, he made only two bad calls : getting rid of Kevin Davies, and sh*tting himself after the Arsenal league game and playing the wrong team at Wembley. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rolosfc Posted 14 October, 2010 Share Posted 14 October, 2010 He isn't a bad manager but not outstanding, he made us very hard to beat, it was almost boring under him. I don't know, sometimes things just don't turn out. Boring?! We played some great football under him, Beattie was awesome and we got to a cup final and finished 8th in the Premiership. I certainly didn't find that season boring! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 14 October, 2010 Share Posted 14 October, 2010 If he was as you say, then I will happily have a not oustanding manager who makes us almost boring every season please Don't get me wrong, i enjoyed the season we were in the cup final and top 8, mainly because of the results. I wasn't great football though, very defensive. Even some chelsea fans had had enough of the defensive tactics towards the end of Mourinho's tenure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperMikey Posted 14 October, 2010 Share Posted 14 October, 2010 Yet the Celtic fans never liked him. I bet they miss those days now though. I was speaking to some Celtic fans on the train back from Scotland a month or so ago, and they both agreed that WGS was a great manager for them, they really loved him. They hated Mowbray. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperMikey Posted 14 October, 2010 Share Posted 14 October, 2010 Oh, and Boro have more than enough quality to succeed in the Champ, their team just needs to gel. They've made a lot of new signings, including some quality players like Boyd, Robson and Thomson, and they will need a bit of time. Boro would be stupid to sack him now imo, especially after the investment that they've made in transfers. It will definitely pay off eventually. It's almost the same situation we were in last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cat Posted 14 October, 2010 Share Posted 14 October, 2010 getting rid of Kevin Davies Not sure Strachan had much to do with that. Davies' ankle wasn't right at the time after his injury, and his head was in a very bad place due to one of his best mates dying and other family related issues. For his own good Davies needed a fresh start, and to get away from the area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genk Posted 14 October, 2010 Share Posted 14 October, 2010 Any manager who buys Neil McCann has no clue! In all seriousness though, think he did great here getting the best out of our players and making us very tough to beat, and I am very surprised he hasn't done a good job at Boro. Perhaps he has just been unlucky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bucks Saint Posted 14 October, 2010 Share Posted 14 October, 2010 Don't get me wrong, i enjoyed the season we were in the cup final and top 8, mainly because of the results. I wasn't great football though, very defensive. Even some chelsea fans had had enough of the defensive tactics towards the end of Mourinho's tenure. Mate you are tough to please. Like I said I would love to have this not great type of football every season. Beattie third highest scorer after Van Nistelthingy and Henry. Beat Arsenal 3-2, Fulham 4-2, Leeds 3-2, City 2-0 and managed to rack up some decent away wins. Thrashed Spurs at their place the following season. if thats dull then bring on the snoozing please Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 14 October, 2010 Share Posted 14 October, 2010 I never really warmed to the bloke,but you have to acknowledge his achievements at the Club. Saying he got lucky is too simplistic are we therefore saying Stewart Grey got "unlucky".He took us to a cup final, the top 10 of the Premiership and made us very hard to beat. He signed some duds, but so did Lawrie and Ted. Svensson and Claus were the best centre half pairing we had for 20 odd years, Chris Marsden played out of his skin and Antti was the best keeper bar Shilts I've watched at the club. These people were coached, were set up to play, it's not just a case of throwing the team out there. Yes, he had his faults, too negitive in the cup final, the manner of his leaving, being two. However, I'd only put Lawrie, Ted and Chris Nicholl above him in my time of watching the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 14 October, 2010 Share Posted 14 October, 2010 had a good run was not as good for us as Hoddle we had peaked before he left. over-rated imho by many saints fans due to the great day out he gave us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 14 October, 2010 Share Posted 14 October, 2010 He took a poor team and made it competitive through fitness and hard work. Sadly, that seems to be the trick most managers in the championship go for. He's been found out. Are you talking about Saints or Celtic Because under Hoddle Saints were quite a good team which Strachan took over Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 14 October, 2010 Share Posted 14 October, 2010 had a good run was not as good for us as Hoddle we had peaked before he left. over-rated imho by many saints fans due to the great day out he gave us Strachan essentially inherited a good team built by previous managers and built on the fitness levels. A good manager at saints one that the players looked up to because of his experience. To appoint Luggy after him was always going to be a disaster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 14 October, 2010 Share Posted 14 October, 2010 He did well at Celtic. With all due respect my friend, I think I could manage Celtic... two teams in that league and Rangers were imploding financially. That said, he was great for us. Happy days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 14 October, 2010 Share Posted 14 October, 2010 His achievements at Boro shouldnt detract from the job he did for us. He got us into the top ten of the EPL, and one step away from an FA Cup. To me, he made only two bad calls : getting rid of Kevin Davies, and sh*tting himself after the Arsenal league game and playing the wrong team at Wembley. I know you're getting old and the memory goes first, but it was Cardiff Alps, Wembley was a flat pack at the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Saints Posted 14 October, 2010 Share Posted 14 October, 2010 Some managers and clubs just 'click' and he certainly clicked at Saints. Best manager since Lawrie without a doubt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 14 October, 2010 Share Posted 14 October, 2010 His achievements at Boro shouldnt detract from the job he did for us. He got us into the top ten of the EPL, and one step away from an FA Cup. To me, he made only two bad calls : getting rid of Kevin Davies, and sh*tting himself after the Arsenal league game and playing the wrong team at Wembley. Blimey Alps, I agree with you!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordswoodsaints Posted 14 October, 2010 Share Posted 14 October, 2010 I loved the man when he was here and welcomed his appointment.I looked forward to his interviews with the media and he did a great job with us. The job he done here was a mixture of extreme fitness,confidence and being the right person for the job at the right time........saints will probably be the pinnacle of his career although he did a decent job at Celtic. I can see him managing the Scottish national team at some point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Munster Posted 14 October, 2010 Share Posted 14 October, 2010 Strachan essentially inherited a good team built by previous managers and built on the fitness levels. A good manager at saints one that the players looked up to because of his experience. To appoint Luggy after him was always going to be a disaster. Come on Dalek, I've already corrected that myth a number of times. Luggy wasn't a disaster, he had a very reasonable record during his short stay at Saints. The rot started when Luggy was ousted and replaced by that disastrous buffoon Wigley. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrMojoRisin Posted 15 October, 2010 Share Posted 15 October, 2010 He isn't a bad manager but not outstanding, he made us very hard to beat, it was almost boring under him. . How can you say we were boring under WGS, have you not watched us for the last three years which have been utter sh ite Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super_Uwe Posted 15 October, 2010 Share Posted 15 October, 2010 If you've read his autobiography, to me it's fairly clear that he never really got a chance to buy the exact players he wanted in the close season of 2003 (although KP was decent enough). I can't remember the precise figures but he went on about possibly having the chance to buy Louis Saha and Steed Malbranque for something like £10m+ combined, although that was an amount of money that simply was never going to be made available (and before anyone says this is a pro/anti Lowe comment, I am merely stating the fact that we have never been in the market to pay those sort of fees). We'll never know what impact they might have had, but they would certainly have added something different. That close season we didn't really do well enough in the transfer market, and I think deep down he probably knew that he couldn't do any more with the players he had. The way he left in the end was disappointing all round as he went out with a whimper really. As for his current spell at Boro, it just hasn't worked out for him at all, especially when you look at the players he's bought. He doesn't seem particularly chirpy in interviews either although that ain't too much of a shock! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Warrior Posted 15 October, 2010 Share Posted 15 October, 2010 If we had won at Cardiff back in 2003 . would we stiil have said he played the wrong formation? I guess not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 15 October, 2010 Share Posted 15 October, 2010 I could do well at Celtic, I could guarantee a couple of SPL titles and a couple of 2nd places. Doesn't say much for Tony Mowbray then if a PC Warrior could achieve what he couldn't. I was not surprised that WGS could not achieve much at Boro last season, I thought he would need a preseason to instill the fitness and work ethic into a side. But he does seem to have lost his way now. We look back on his time at Saints with rose-tinted specs because we were moderately successful, but I suspect it was all unravelling at the time he left anyway. I enjoyed his time with us, but I suspect he was in the right place at the right time and is really very one-dimensional and has been found out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint1977 Posted 15 October, 2010 Share Posted 15 October, 2010 I think WGS was great for us and we were great for him. He'll look back on his time with us with fond memories and he'll probably move back to the area post-Boro. 2002/3 was only behind the 1983/4 season which was my first ever as a Saints fan and possibly 1989/90 where we finished 7th I think under Nicholl and MLT/Shearer/Rod Wallace/Case were all firing. Michael Svensson and Niemi were brilliant, he got Beattie and Oakley properly fit and playing the best football of their careers after there were rumours that neither player was a fit as they could be and he built on Hoddle's work in getting the very best years out of Claus. There was decline in 03/04 but then the club had a difficult decision - spend the money and gamble or bloat the squad with average players (Kenton). Lowe to be fair to him only owned a fraction of the club and even he knew we needed investment badly but Askham and mates would have had to have co-operated in the club's best interests! So we stagnated and appointing Sturrock and then Wigley said it all really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_stevo Posted 15 October, 2010 Share Posted 15 October, 2010 he is ginger and hilarious Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shanghai Saint Posted 15 October, 2010 Share Posted 15 October, 2010 Loved WGS with us. The team always appeared to step up a gear in the second half and never ran out of puff. The comments to this day remains classics. Reporter: So, Gordon, in what areas do you think Middlesbrough were better than you today? Strachan: What areas? Mainly that big green one out there... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yorkiesaint Posted 15 October, 2010 Share Posted 15 October, 2010 I have always thought that strachan benefitted enormously from Hoddle's legacy- he kept the team playing the same way as Hoddle had them doing, and kept all the off-the-field improvements to training and fitness that hoddle had instigated. He changed very little. I think we'd have been relegated at a similar time even if strachan had stayed, he was doing a coventry all over again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 15 October, 2010 Author Share Posted 15 October, 2010 Strachan essentially inherited a good team built by previous managers and built on the fitness levels. A good manager at saints one that the players looked up to because of his experience. To appoint Luggy after him was always going to be a disaster. Who would you have appointed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bucks Saint Posted 15 October, 2010 Share Posted 15 October, 2010 Doesn't say much for Tony Mowbray then if a PC Warrior could achieve what he couldn't. I was not surprised that WGS could not achieve much at Boro last season, I thought he would need a preseason to instill the fitness and work ethic into a side. But he does seem to have lost his way now. We look back on his time at Saints with rose-tinted specs because we were moderately successful, but I suspect it was all unravelling at the time he left anyway. I enjoyed his time with us, but I suspect he was in the right place at the right time and is really very one-dimensional and has been found out. Moderately successful?! FFS - you expected more than a Cup Final, 8th place and a UEFA spot? Yes its been season after season of proper success since he left, silly me. I will take off my rose tinted specs right away Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyNorthernSaints Posted 15 October, 2010 Share Posted 15 October, 2010 I have always thought that strachan benefitted enormously from Hoddle's legacy- he kept the team playing the same way as Hoddle had them doing, and kept all the off-the-field improvements to training and fitness that hoddle had instigated. He changed very little. I think we'd have been relegated at a similar time even if strachan had stayed, he was doing a coventry all over again. Well he changed the keeper and i think most people would agree Niemi made a difference. Saints were 4th at christmas in his last season which is not exactly relegation form. He got the best out of Marsden, Ormerod, Delap, Fernandes etc Hoddle on the other hand played very negative boring football while at Saints playing some ridiculous formations at home to Man Utd and substitutions away at Tranmere. He bought in Rosler and some other midfielder who name escapes right now who were rubbish. Got lucky with the form of Dean Richards. Hoddle has a very poor managerial record IMO and this is the reason he has his academy in Spain due to not being able to cut it in the real world of football league management. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 15 October, 2010 Share Posted 15 October, 2010 I have always thought that strachan benefitted enormously from Hoddle's legacy- he kept the team playing the same way as Hoddle had them doing, and kept all the off-the-field improvements to training and fitness that hoddle had instigated. He changed very little. I think we'd have been relegated at a similar time even if strachan had stayed, he was doing a coventry all over again. agree - when Hoddle left we were still heading upwards, when Strachen left I feel we had peaked and played some disappointing football Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 15 October, 2010 Share Posted 15 October, 2010 Well he changed the keeper and i think most people would agree Niemi made a difference. Saints were 4th at christmas in his last season which is not exactly relegation form. He got the best out of Marsden, Ormerod, Delap, Fernandes etc Hoddle on the other hand played very negative boring football while at Saints playing some ridiculous formations at home to Man Utd and substitutions away at Tranmere. He bought in Rosler and some other midfielder who name escapes right now who were rubbish. Got lucky with the form of Dean Richards. Hoddle has a very poor managerial record IMO and this is the reason he has his academy in Spain due to not being able to cut it in the real world of football league management. I won't defend Hoddle#s personality, beliefs, record at other clubs, how he left us etc etc - but he did exceptionally well with us and left us at one of our most optimistic points in a generation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 15 October, 2010 Share Posted 15 October, 2010 I could do well at Celtic, I could guarantee a couple of SPL titles and a couple of 2nd places. I know you're just trolling, but anyway: Strachan won the title three times in a row, only the third Celtic manager ever to acheive that - MO'N didn't do it. And he did better in Europe than M O'N, getting through the CL group stages is all a Scottish team can ever do these days and he did it. Twice. He did brilliantly at Celtic and brilliantly at Saints. He did pretty well at Cov until the constant player sales defeated him and he ran out of steam. He's a good manager with a good record. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyNorthernSaints Posted 15 October, 2010 Share Posted 15 October, 2010 I won't defend Hoddle#s personality, beliefs, record at other clubs, how he left us etc etc - but he did exceptionally well with us and left us at one of our most optimistic points in a generation Did he finnish 8th in the premier league and reach a cup final? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 15 October, 2010 Share Posted 15 October, 2010 I won't defend Hoddle#s personality, beliefs, record at other clubs, how he left us etc etc - but he did exceptionally well with us and left us at one of our most optimistic points in a generation I don't particularly like Hoddle and did not want him back but he did very well for us when here. But in terms of whose team was more "boring" between him and WGS, I'd say Hoddle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 15 October, 2010 Share Posted 15 October, 2010 Did he finnish 8th in the premier league and reach a cup final? not sure if you were around then? Have a look where we were, and how we were doing before Hoddle came in and compare to here we were and how we were doing when he left Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 15 October, 2010 Share Posted 15 October, 2010 not sure if you were around then? Have a look where we were, and how we were doing before Hoddle came in and compare to here we were and how we were doing when he left Calm down. I disagree with your premise that Hoddle somehow laid the foundations for some glorious future - he was here barely a year, and signed not one player of longevity - the great players of our Strachan glory days that were here under Hoddle were Dave Jones signings. For one - If Hoddle had stayed, Beattie would have been flogged to Crystal Palace. Maybe we'd have built the team around Mark Draper football genius. Stuart Gray signed more significant players for us than Hoddle did. Hello Anders. Hoddle did very well for us, but when he left it was perfectly possible that it was a single good season in the same way that Dave Jone's first and Alan Ball's full seasons were. In fact, of course, he didn't actually complete a season for us. He did well. He is gone. Strachan was better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 15 October, 2010 Share Posted 15 October, 2010 Am calm mate - just think its funny how Hoddle, becuae of who/what he is, is slated as a manager for us. If people were more honest, the main gripe people had was how positive we were feeling about saints and where we were going when he walked out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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