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Gemmel

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http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/saints/news/8622207.Photo_gallery_from_Saints_win_over_Shrewsbury/

 

So are they paying for the pictures? More revenue for Saints then. Well done.

 

Not a chance they are paying the club for them. They will be getting them from one of the other papers or associates and every photo they publish is a big fat fook off to Cortese.

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Thedelldays

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Petty again from our chairman.

 

All he is doing is hurting the fans who can't afford to go to games or just can't make it every week. I'm not really sure what he thinks he's going to achieve by continuing to do this.

 

as someone who does not live in southampton...I would not have had a clue that the echo are banned (or the photgraphers are) by picking up the paper..

they still do match reports, articles, reviews, previews etc etc..

 

cant really see how this is hurting fans that cant afford to go.....unless fans are offended by not seeing a picture of hammond tackling a shrewsbury player..?

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Mowgli

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Actually. Reading the Guardian web site it could be that the ban was lifted but the Echo failed to get an official notification so they assumed they were still banned. I think this is a non story personally since they are clearly reporting and printing pictures from the game.

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The ban has been lifted for everyone apart from the Echo (just after Markus' funeral interestingly enough)

 

It looks like there is some spat between Cortese and Murray (or with the Echo as a whole) that has contributed to them not having the ban lifted.

 

Complete non-issue for me personally, and don't think it's that a big deal regardless.

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Total rubbish that it hurts the fans. We live in the internet age for christ sake. If a fan wants to read a match report then they can on all the news websites. Better yet if they want to watch the highlights they can at anytime on the bbc sports page. There are so many ways to find out about Saints now. You can even find the match reports in The Echo. Just because they don't have a picture an Echo photographer had taken at the game to acompany the article doesn't effect anyone at all. I imagine there are very few Saints fans out there who can't watch the match reports on South Today or watch the highlight football show, can't read the match reports online at the various websites, can't listen to match reports on the radio. That would be someone without a radio,internet or tv. Which in this day and age is just ******** that they don't have access to those things. And if they don't then why would they care about newspapers?

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Total rubbish that it hurts the fans. We live in the internet age for christ sake. If a fan wants to read a match report then they can on all the news websites. Better yet if they want to watch the highlights they can at anytime on the bbc sports page. There are so many ways to find out about Saints now. You can even find the match reports in The Echo. Just because they don't have a picture an Echo photographer had taken at the game to acompany the article doesn't effect anyone at all. I imagine there are very few Saints fans out there who can't watch the match reports on South Today or watch the highlight football show, can't read the match reports online at the various websites, can't listen to match reports on the radio. That would be someone without a radio,internet or tv. Which in this day and age is just ******** that they don't have access to those things. And if they don't then why would they care about newspapers?

 

I think you are completely wrong.

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I think the only people that still care about this are the Echo, and anyone they can get onto their side.

 

Someone in the comments of the Guardian article called it right IMO, iden13:

"SirBevois is correct to criticise the Echo. They've told a fair number of fibs since Liebherr & Cortese took over so I can understand why Cortese, a former investment banker who reeks of competence, has no patience for unfounded football rumours/gossip (aka ForumJournalism™), especially when it calls into question his stewardship of Saints.

 

I can see why the Guardian might want to express some kind of journalistic tribal solidarity with their local-paper cousins but, from a 'coverage/content' point of view, if they (or any other media outlet) wanted to take pictures at St Mary's they still can. SFC's beef is with the Echo alone.

 

The paper used to have its finger on the pulse of the club but I suspect they lost an important insider, whose 'off the record' info probably helped them no end, during the major shakeups that followed administration and the new owners taking over and clearing house.

 

Either that or the editors/management got addicted to the regular sales boosts they recieved during our Championship relegation season when the club was coming apart at the seams and couldn't bring themselves to stop after Liebherr saved our club.

 

Maybe this all seems petty to everyone else, but I totally understand Cortese's position and fully back his vision for the club."

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Total rubbish that it hurts the fans. We live in the internet age for christ sake. If a fan wants to read a match report then they can on all the news websites. Better yet if they want to watch the highlights they can at anytime on the bbc sports page. There are so many ways to find out about Saints now. You can even find the match reports in The Echo. Just because they don't have a picture an Echo photographer had taken at the game to acompany the article doesn't effect anyone at all. I imagine there are very few Saints fans out there who can't watch the match reports on South Today or watch the highlight football show, can't read the match reports online at the various websites, can't listen to match reports on the radio. That would be someone without a radio,internet or tv. Which in this day and age is just ******** that they don't have access to those things. And if they don't then why would they care about newspapers?

 

I think you are completely right.

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Redondo Saint

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as someone who does not live in southampton...I would not have had a clue that the echo are banned (or the photgraphers are) by picking up the paper..

they still do match reports, articles, reviews, previews etc etc..

 

cant really see how this is hurting fans that cant afford to go.....unless fans are offended by not seeing a picture of hammond tackling a shrewsbury player..?

 

This + 1

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Big Bad Bob

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I think you are completely wrong.

 

and I think you are completely wrong that you think he is completely wrong.

 

There ARE other source for Saints news/match day reports than the Southampton Daily Echo.

 

The only fans it will affect are those that live in the Southampton Daily Echo catchment area AND then only slightly..

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Petty again from our chairman.

 

All he is doing is hurting the fans who can't afford to go to games or just can't make it every week. I'm not really sure what he thinks he's going to achieve by continuing to do this.

 

How is this hurting the fans? The Echo carries a full report with pictures! I think this is just NC bashing for the sake of it.

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Total rubbish that it hurts the fans. We live in the internet age for christ sake. If a fan wants to read a match report then they can on all the news websites. Better yet if they want to watch the highlights they can at anytime on the bbc sports page. There are so many ways to find out about Saints now. You can even find the match reports in The Echo. Just because they don't have a picture an Echo photographer had taken at the game to acompany the article doesn't effect anyone at all. I imagine there are very few Saints fans out there who can't watch the match reports on South Today or watch the highlight football show, can't read the match reports online at the various websites, can't listen to match reports on the radio. That would be someone without a radio,internet or tv. Which in this day and age is just ******** that they don't have access to those things. And if they don't then why would they care about newspapers?

You may live in the internet age, as i do. But a huge proportion of people over the age of 50 never use it and don't have access.

But thats neither here nor there, it's a storm in a tea cup; which make you wonder why NC is wetting his bed again over what the Echo thinks. He needs a thicker skin, broader shoulders, and to grow a pair.

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You may live in the internet age, as i do. But a huge proportion of people over the age of 50 never use it and don't have access.

But thats neither here nor there, it's a storm in a tea cup; which make you wonder why NC is wetting his bed again over what the Echo thinks. He needs a thicker skin, broader shoulders, and to grow a pair.

 

why is it NC wetting his bed....the club dont really need the echo but the echo need the club..

 

if the echo were not allowed to mention saints this season..would that harm our chances of promotion...nope, not one bit

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Total rubbish that it hurts the fans. We live in the internet age for christ sake. If a fan wants to read a match report then they can on all the news websites. Better yet if they want to watch the highlights they can at anytime on the bbc sports page. There are so many ways to find out about Saints now. You can even find the match reports in The Echo. Just because they don't have a picture an Echo photographer had taken at the game to acompany the article doesn't effect anyone at all. I imagine there are very few Saints fans out there who can't watch the match reports on South Today or watch the highlight football show, can't read the match reports online at the various websites, can't listen to match reports on the radio. That would be someone without a radio,internet or tv. Which in this day and age is just ******** that they don't have access to those things. And if they don't then why would they care about newspapers?

 

Spot on. Who cares a damn about it when one can access the actual highlights of the match on a computer or watch them on the local regional TV reports? If no accord has been reached between Cortese or that prat Murray, then I will lose no sleep and have no qualms about siding with Cortese. It is Murray that is losing out if he refuses to offer an olive branch. His rag's circulation will suffer and the buck will stop on his desk if his lords and masters call him to account.

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why is it NC wetting his bed....the club dont really need the echo but the echo need the club..

 

if the echo were not allowed to mention saints this season..would that harm our chances of promotion...nope, not one bit

The echo don't need the club either. Circulation hasn't dropped since their various bans as far as I'm aware. But you tell me why NC is yet again picking unnecessary fights.

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their circulation is hugely dependant on saints

So people do buy the Echo to find out about the Saints then? A lot of people on this thread have been claiming otherwise.

You would have thought it was in NC interests to have a good working relationship with them in that case.

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Thedelldays

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So people do buy the Echo to find out about the Saints then? A lot of people on this thread have been claiming otherwise.

You would have thought it was in NC interests to have a good working relationship with them in that case.

why..they dont need each other right..

 

does the echo effect our chances of winning the league..?

nope, not one jot

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The Guardian story is not quite half right, which means it's more than half wrong.

The paper's reporters aren't banned, only the photographers, and it has nothing to do with the club.

The photographers are banned because the paper breached the terms of its licence as issued by Football Dataco by trying to sell pictures it had no agreement or permission to sell.

They are not banned by the club, but by the Football League's licensing arm.

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The Guardian story is not quite half right, which means it's more than half wrong.

The paper's reporters aren't banned, only the photographers, and it has nothing to do with the club.

The photographers are banned because the paper breached the terms of its licence as issued by Football Dataco by trying to sell pictures it had no agreement or permission to sell.

They are not banned by the club, but by the Football League's licensing arm.

 

I know you are in the industry FM, but these are direct quotes from the Editor who says he is still banned. Regardless of any other issues, they might have with licences etc, I think you will find that Echp photographers are still banned from STC by cortese.

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So people do buy the Echo to find out about the Saints then? A lot of people on this thread have been claiming otherwise.

You would have thought it was in NC interests to have a good working relationship with them in that case.

 

for stories not for a random pic of a tackle or header. Echo need saints. Photos in echo..who cares.

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So people do buy the Echo to find out about the Saints then? A lot of people on this thread have been claiming otherwise.

You would have thought it was in NC interests to have a good working relationship with them in that case.

 

You have become a little confused. NickG said that the Echo need Saints for their circulation. He didn't in that post say that Saints need coverage in the Echo, nor did he say huge numbers of Saints fans read the Echo for Saints news. All he said was that the Echo's circulation is dependant on people reading about Saints and buying the paper for that reason. It is the 21st Century, lots of other ways across a multitude of media outlets to follow the club than just the local paper.

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saints goals are on football league show, sky sports news, meridian tonight, south today, bbc website etc.

 

If anyone wants to see goals they can (or even go to the games!).

 

The echo's finances are hugely effected by the club and its coverage - hence being main part of the paper.

 

People buy the echo to read interviews by players, subjective reports etc - which may not be available elsewhere.

 

I seriously doubt if the lack of photos puts off one paying customer - or once they have bought the paper disappoints one reader.

 

Reporters are not banned.

 

Non issue and time to enjoy the winning streak and support the club not whinge like a 3 year old girl.

 

All imho of course!

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After all the crap with Lowe, and how that really ruined my love of SFC, i'm not going to go there again unless it's absolutely necessary. When Nicole does something that affects me i'll moan like ****, but can't be arsed to be too bothered about little things. We have a good manager and a good team - that's all that matters at the minute. In the future I can see Cortese hiking prices, but that's a bridge to cross in the future.

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So people do buy the Echo to find out about the Saints then? A lot of people on this thread have been claiming otherwise.

You would have thought it was in NC interests to have a good working relationship with them in that case.

 

People buy it to read titlle-tattle about Saints and match reports etc. The source of a photo appearing in said match report is presumably of little concern to any casual reader.

 

The club does not need the Echo one jot. The converse is not true and if Murray had any sense he would STFU.

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I know you are in the industry FM, but these are direct quotes from the Editor who says he is still banned. Regardless of any other issues, they might have with licences etc, I think you will find that Echp photographers are still banned from STC by cortese.

 

The Echo know why they are banned. It's a bit ingenuous on their part to say the club have offered no explanation when the club don't have to. It's not the club that have banned them.

 

Technically, Cortese might be carrying out the wishes of Football Dataco, but it's not the club.

 

In the past I've sided with the Echo, and considered their banning by the club as unreasonable and petty.

 

But from what I'm told, they've taken the mickey this time. The photographers were allowed back in, but within a day or so the paper were in breach of their licence by trying to sell pictures they had no rights to.

 

As required by their collective agreement the club informed Football Dataco who imposed the ban.

 

That's my info and if anyone knows definitively differently, then please let us have your story.

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