Thedelldays Posted 14 November, 2010 Share Posted 14 November, 2010 On here.. The old nudge nudge wink winks an the comments on how Nige has not won the dressing rooms Players rolling their eyes etc Moaning at his media skills How sad that after a couple of months in charge.. A fair few wins some fans are already sharpening their verbal knives for the new manager Sometimes I think we deserve to be in division 3... The only common link with all out failures in the last few years is our moaning fan base Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Strover Posted 14 November, 2010 Share Posted 14 November, 2010 I agree with this comment. The same fans often moan that we are a 'laughing stock' because we've had so many managers etc.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Stimp Posted 14 November, 2010 Share Posted 14 November, 2010 I think the majority of people (myself included) think that yesterday was the first time Adkins has gone wrong. If he learns from his mistakes there wont be a problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 14 November, 2010 Share Posted 14 November, 2010 A cynic would point to defeat at Carlisle compared to a 4-1 cakewalk at Wembley and defeat at Huddersfield compared to a 5-0 win at St Mary's under Pardew. But generally I agree with you. People are far too ready to criticise, we're going to lose some games here and there but overall should have more than enough for this division. Save the criticism for a time when we're not in a strong position to challenge for promotion - the margins in this league are usually defined by effort, and both the teams I mentioned above had the additional motivation of their last result against us. No doubt someone will be starting a thread about Pardew's success damaging Adkins' chances now... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rory Posted 14 November, 2010 Share Posted 14 November, 2010 The NA reaction thread is a joke. Supporting Saints was a much more sane experience before the wonders of the internet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
croydonsaint Posted 14 November, 2010 Share Posted 14 November, 2010 On here.. The old nudge nudge wink winks an the comments on how Nige has not won the dressing rooms Players rolling their eyes etc Moaning at his media skills How sad that after a couple of months in charge.. A fair few wins some fans are already sharpening their verbal knives for the new manager Sometimes I think we deserve to be in division 3... The only common link with all out failures in the last few years is our moaning fan base I must be be missing something, but the impression I get is that we are very happy with Adkins. There will always be a knee jerk reaction after a game either getting too carried away if we win and too despondant if we lose. We all know the time to judge any manager is perhaps after 18 months. Personally I am glad we have him managing our club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint lard Posted 14 November, 2010 Share Posted 14 November, 2010 I must be be missing something, but the impression I get is that we are very happy with Adkins. There will always be a knee jerk reaction after a game either getting too carried away if we win and too despondant if we lose. We all know the time to judge any manager is perhaps after 18 months. Personally I am glad we have him managing our club. I will be very surprised if he is given 18 months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Wayman Posted 14 November, 2010 Share Posted 14 November, 2010 On here.. The old nudge nudge wink winks an the comments on how Nige has not won the dressing rooms Players rolling their eyes etc Moaning at his media skills How sad that after a couple of months in charge.. A fair few wins some fans are already sharpening their verbal knives for the new manager Sometimes I think we deserve to be in division 3... The only common link with all out failures in the last few years is our moaning fan base Not surprising 'though, he is so woolly in his pronouncements it is sometimes difficult to work out what he is trying to say. His other big failing is that he has virtually promised us promotion and you know what happens when people don't deliver on promises. At the moment it looks unlikely we will do better than scrape into the play-offs, more likely we'll end up mid -table again. Against top teams we have looked mediocre so what's wrong? Either we have a great manager and a C.rap set of players or more likely we have a C.rap manager and the same decent set of players for this level that we had last season after January. No matter what you or I think, Mr Cortese will not be sitting very comfortably in his office chair on Monday morning. Adders is very much on probation and as many at Chelski have found out to their cost the modern football club owner is not best known for their patience or forgiveness. If you can have any sweetie form the pick 'n mix counter you don't waste too much time sucking wine gums. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 14 November, 2010 Share Posted 14 November, 2010 A cynic would point to defeat at Carlisle compared to a 4-1 cakewalk at Wembley and defeat at Huddersfield compared to a 5-0 win at St Mary's under Pardew. But generally I agree with you. People are far too ready to criticise, we're going to lose some games here and there but overall should have more than enough for this division. Save the criticism for a time when we're not in a strong position to challenge for promotion - the margins in this league are usually defined by effort, and both the teams I mentioned above had the additional motivation of their last result against us. No doubt someone will be starting a thread about Pardew's success damaging Adkins' chances now... And what is the difference between these performances ??? it comes down to the same 2 men all of the time, Antonio and Lambert. One's no longer here the other is just a cardboard cut out of the real thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rory Posted 14 November, 2010 Share Posted 14 November, 2010 Nigel is doing all he can with the players he inherited from Pardew. They're really good players but clearly not performing. Lambert has looked poor since the very first game of the season, and this definitely isn't Adkins' fault. I'm pretty certain Adkins would have a higher win ratio if Lambert was the player Pardew had last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 14 November, 2010 Share Posted 14 November, 2010 Adkins harshest critic is going to be Cortese; if we fail at promotion this year then its touch and go whether he'll keep his job. And we obviously have not set the world alight away from home, which is an issue that needs to be addressed. The next two home games will also tell us an awful lot about this team. And I fully expect Adkins to be given funding for 2, maybe 3 players in the transfer window to really start turning this into his team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 14 November, 2010 Share Posted 14 November, 2010 Adkins harshest critic is going to be Cortese; if we fail at promotion this year then its touch and go whether he'll keep his job. And we obviously have not set the world alight away from home, which is an issue that needs to be addressed. The next two home games will also tell us an awful lot about this team. And I fully expect Adkins to be given funding for 2, maybe 3 players in the transfer window to really start turning this into his team. Although I don't think the answer is new players all of the time.That's probably what got us into this awful shambles of a division in the first place.NA has to decide what his first team is and play it.To me the team that he has been playing of late isn't the right one and yesterday he seemed to realise that and tinkered with it but in a sort of half hearted way.Until he makes the obvious change that he seems reluctant to make (or is he even allowed to!) we are going to have problems. Lambert is absolutely dire and it's plain for everybody to see,yet it's Barney that gets dropped,Guly must be wondering wtf he is doing here, he sees the abject Lambert getting 90 minutes every week and he doesn't even get 5 minutes.The players must be thinking wtf is going on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintwiz Posted 14 November, 2010 Share Posted 14 November, 2010 Not surprising 'though, he is so woolly in his pronouncements it is sometimes difficult to work out what he is trying to say. His other big failing is that he has virtually promised us promotion and you know what happens when people don't deliver on promises. At the moment it looks unlikely we will do better than scrape into the play-offs, more likely we'll end up mid -table again. Against top teams we have looked mediocre so what's wrong? Either we have a great manager and a C.rap set of players or more likely we have a C.rap manager and the same decent set of players for this level that we had last season after January. No matter what you or I think, Mr Cortese will not be sitting very comfortably in his office chair on Monday morning. Adders is very much on probation and as many at Chelski have found out to their cost the modern football club owner is not best known for their patience or forgiveness. If you can have any sweetie form the pick 'n mix counter you don't waste too much time sucking wine gums. So you dont think we'll go up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toomer Posted 14 November, 2010 Share Posted 14 November, 2010 I see some people are looking for the revolving door fitters again already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 14 November, 2010 Share Posted 14 November, 2010 Not that I can be @rsed to trawl through some of the build up threads, but it would be an interesting nerdy exercise to see how many of the outspoken critics after the game were the same ones demanding a change in tactics or an experiment with differing formations. There is a simple reality here. In our last two away games we have started VERY slowly, lost one and had a roaring comeback in the other. The ONLY way I would have an issue with NA is if he had NOT tried something different yesterday, as CLEARLY in the previous two games there was something not right. You cannot blame the manager if players make stupid mistakes, after all HE CANNOT BUY ANYONE until January so has to use what he was left with. Maybe they are good players technically who are simply THICK when it comes to the task of marking players. He tried something different, it didn't work. No need to slit wrists, just wait and see what happens next away game. Oh and FWIW I REALLY do not think it is entirely intelligent for an ITK'er to come onto this forum and announce our tactics and team selection to the opposition 24 hours before a game. yeah sure axe to grind and all that but it harms the build up and any element of tactical surprise, so do us a favour and STFU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 14 November, 2010 Share Posted 14 November, 2010 Although I don't think the answer is new players all of the time.That's probably what got us into this awful shambles of a division in the first place.NA has to decide what his first team is and play it.To me the team that he has been playing of late isn't the right one and yesterday he seemed to realise that and tinkered with it but in a sort of half hearted way.Until he makes the obvious change that he seems reluctant to make (or is he even allowed to!) we are going to have problems. Lambert is absolutely dire and it's plain for everybody to see,yet it's Barney that gets dropped,Guly must be wondering wtf he is doing here, he sees the abject Lambert getting 90 minutes every week and he doesn't even get 5 minutes.The players must be thinking wtf is going on. The problem with that is that I just don't see Guly as a natural replacement for Lambert; I think he's a completely different type of player than that, and one you perhaps have to fit your team around. And Adkins doesn't seem to want to do that. As (IMO) he's not a replacement for Lambert, we simply don't have anyone else who can come in and do a better job in that role. I didn't go yesterday but have been to all the last few home games and have seen a gradual improvement from RL. Not to the extent that he's the player he was last season, he clearly isn't, but I truly believe that an off form Lambert in that role offers us more than any other player we currently have. I don't know what the solution is; clearly Lambert is enough of a potential that we have to give him time, but while he's still well off being the player he was last year, when we fail to win games some tough questions are going to be asked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 14 November, 2010 Share Posted 14 November, 2010 I'm not sure if Lambert is off colour or we simply play a system that does not suit him. Rickie thrives on a long-ball game because he controls the ball so well and holds it up for other players. He played best in a 4-5-1 when he was given great support. I didn't go yesterday so can't really comment but having seen us at home this season, he will not be suited to the short, sharp interplay stuff because he has no natural pace - it's not what his game is about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 14 November, 2010 Share Posted 14 November, 2010 There was always going to be few that would seize upon the first opportunity to slate NA. Personally I think he got it wrong by playing 1 up front, but that's just my opinion and I remain 100% behind him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 14 November, 2010 Share Posted 14 November, 2010 I'm not sure if Lambert is off colour or we simply play a system that does not suit him. Rickie thrives on a long-ball game because he controls the ball so well and holds it up for other players. He played best in a 4-5-1 when he was given great support. I didn't go yesterday so can't really comment but having seen us at home this season, he will not be suited to the short, sharp interplay stuff because he has no natural pace - it's not what his game is about. I'm not sure if I agree with that actually; I think Lambert is starting to create a really good partnership with Barnard. And I think Lambert definitely has a role in the team, he's still played as the fulcrum of the team and brings team mates into play with his general hold-up and link up play. In fact, the area of his game I've noticed he is perhaps most off colour on is his aerial dominance, last year he seemed to win absolutely everything, this year it's sometimes looked like he's struggled to get off the ground. I think he'll come good, and I also think he offers us a lot despite not being on top form. I do think he's suffered from not being fit at the start of the season, and is also having a mini crisis of confidence. A couple of goals from open play would do him the world of good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WATERSIDEIFASAINT Posted 14 November, 2010 Share Posted 14 November, 2010 I am happy with NA despite yesterdays result.I think it is the players who are on trial and if they don't perform they will be replaced in January imo.I get the feeling we will be active in January if we need to be and we can be absolutely certain there will be changes upfront. Lambert is the big problem this season and if he had shown half the form of last season we would currently probably be sitting top with the amount of chances we have had in most games despite not playing that well. I will be interested to see if we try and bring another striker in on loan before the loan window closes to make sure we are still in the mix come January or will NA have the guts to drop Lambert and play Guly and Barnard next Saturday?It might just give Lambert the kick up the backside he needs and will at least take him out of the firing line for a game or two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 14 November, 2010 Share Posted 14 November, 2010 On here.. The old nudge nudge wink winks an the comments on how Nige has not won the dressing rooms Players rolling their eyes etc Moaning at his media skills How sad that after a couple of months in charge.. A fair few wins some fans are already sharpening their verbal knives for the new manager Sometimes I think we deserve to be in division 3... The only common link with all out failures in the last few years is our moaning fan base That's the nature of this place. If we win a match loads of people say we're amazing and if we lose they can't cope so go around blaming whatever pops into their little minds. I expect most fan messageboards are pretty similar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 14 November, 2010 Share Posted 14 November, 2010 Lambert's not been as lethal in front of goal and his hold-up play hasn't been as good as last year but it's not right to suggest he's suddenly awful. If you look at our first goal last weekend, who was it who saw the potential of Harding's run and quickly dropped off his defender to play the one-two? (it was Lambert). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 14 November, 2010 Share Posted 14 November, 2010 Some people clearly have not got over the disappointment that we failed to appoint Phil Brown or Paul Hart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 14 November, 2010 Share Posted 14 November, 2010 Some people clearly have not got over the disappointment that we failed to appoint Phil Brown or Paul Hart. Or MON. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 14 November, 2010 Share Posted 14 November, 2010 Or MON. But realistically who were we more likely to end up with MON,or the likes of Brown,or Hart ? Lets not forget MON was not universally popular at Villa in the dressing room if media and forums are to be believed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
georgeweahscousin Posted 14 November, 2010 Share Posted 14 November, 2010 I despair at how reactionary some Saints fans are at times. Is it any wonder that we go through managers so rapidly......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 14 November, 2010 Share Posted 14 November, 2010 (edited) In all honesty the vast majority of Saints fans want Our Nigel to achieve at this club.. I for one want him to get two home wins and go on to have a very fruitful run of games in December. Like many I was frustrated with the Pards saga but am now fully behind Na AND THE TEAM.. We all know that terrible feeling after a loss..hangs around for a day or two until the build up til the next game.. I will not debate whether NA is the right choice whether he is better than Pards or George Burley.. He was chosen by NC and is our boss now and he will strive hard to get this team moving in the right direction. Come on Nigel earn your pounds now and get us back up there amongst the promotion candidates. Two wins coming up... Come on you Saints...... Rikkkeee sort it out. Edited 14 November, 2010 by ottery st mary spellin mixed up with my whether Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Majestic Channon Posted 14 November, 2010 Share Posted 14 November, 2010 On here.. The old nudge nudge wink winks an the comments on how Nige has not won the dressing rooms Players rolling their eyes etc Moaning at his media skills How sad that after a couple of months in charge.. A fair few wins some fans are already sharpening their verbal knives for the new manager Sometimes I think we deserve to be in division 3... The only common link with all out failures in the last few years is our moaning fan base unbelievable coming from a serial moaner like you.Also don´t you think your´e being a bit of a drama queen? it´s just a few post on a message board after all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 14 November, 2010 Share Posted 14 November, 2010 I will be very surprised if he is given 18 months. You never gave him 1 week Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 14 November, 2010 Share Posted 14 November, 2010 The only people with an anti Adkins agendas are class 1 c**ts. Thankfully they really attend games, which is true of the majority of the whinging moaning c**ts on here. End of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 14 November, 2010 Share Posted 14 November, 2010 Anyone who thinks Adkins should be sacked is an idiot. Anyone who thinks our fan base is to blame for our demise is an even bigger idiot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corsacar saint Posted 14 November, 2010 Share Posted 14 November, 2010 I have no problem whatsoever with NA,I like the man. The problem I have with yesterdays result is scoring 2 goals away from home,and losing the match,simply not acceptable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericb Posted 14 November, 2010 Share Posted 14 November, 2010 The NA reaction thread is a joke. Supporting Saints was a much more sane experience before the wonders of the internet. That's exactly the answer, the majority of people on here don't really represent Saints fans in general, it's a weird little microcosm of geek's; obsessives; conspiracy theorists. The extremes are fortified to the point where common sense no longer exists - if we win we're the best in every league, if we lose we're about to collapse from existence for ever - then add to that there's camps of "identity" formed which exacerbate these extremes. In all honesty i tend to think the truest representation of football fans on here are those on a wind up, since they're carrying on the terrace tradition of taking the mick (and being pretty funny in the process). In general i'd suggest ignoring 95% of what's on here or taking it with a massive pinch of salt. From the instant reaction to managers, to the barracking of the echo none of it reasoned and most of it ********. Also the few "regular" posters i've had the pleasure to meet have struck me as geeks of highest order, that need a little more to their life than analysing the stats of a third division football team (i'm sure they're nice people but **** me they're dull). Anyway i'm back to lurking now and laughing at the pompous crap that's posted on here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manji Posted 14 November, 2010 Share Posted 14 November, 2010 There was always going to be few that would seize upon the first opportunity to slate NA. Personally I think he got it wrong by playing 1 up front, but that's just my opinion and I remain 100% behind him. Spot on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 14 November, 2010 Share Posted 14 November, 2010 Bring back Glenda ! This will unify everyone and liven things up again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moonraker Posted 14 November, 2010 Share Posted 14 November, 2010 Joke Thread ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 14 November, 2010 Share Posted 14 November, 2010 Just because someone voices an opinion that his after match comments are a bit of a jumbled mess doesn't mean that person wants him out. You are stirring the **** Whatever happens results wise we can't even think about replacing him until this season is over - he has got to be given time. Yesterday sounds like he made his first big mistake tactics wise - let's hope he learns from it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 14 November, 2010 Share Posted 14 November, 2010 You are stirring the ****. So what are you doing? He seems to be tinkering too much perhaps (sounds like that was the case yesterday) - perhaps NC is putting on the pressure and he is getting jumpy? What is you agenda against NC all about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 14 November, 2010 Share Posted 14 November, 2010 No way do I want him out, I just haven't been too impressed with our performances under him as of yet. We don't look like automatic promotion candidates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LostBoys Posted 14 November, 2010 Share Posted 14 November, 2010 Shock horror - one loss - and the wrist slitters are at it again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 14 November, 2010 Author Share Posted 14 November, 2010 Just because someone voices an opinion that his after match comments are a bit of a jumbled mess doesn't mean that person wants him out. You are stirring the **** Whatever happens results wise we can't even think about replacing him until this season is over - he has got to be given time. Yesterday sounds like he made his first big mistake tactics wise - let's hope he learns from it. Stirring the ****?? From the arch ITK nudge nudge I hate NC mam himself Hypocrisy at its finest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faz Posted 14 November, 2010 Share Posted 14 November, 2010 Does anyone think we wouldn't have played 4-5-1 for this game under Pardew? It wasn't the tactics by the sounds of it, but the execution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
georgeweahscousin Posted 14 November, 2010 Share Posted 14 November, 2010 Does anyone think we wouldn't have played 4-5-1 for this game under Pardew? It wasn't the tactics by the sounds of it, but the execution. Nail. Head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjphilsaint Posted 14 November, 2010 Share Posted 14 November, 2010 The anti NA posters are as relevant and as predictable as the so called "popular press". A complete waste of time. I am glad to say that the "get Adkins out" fraternity certainly DO NOT reflect or represent my views, opinions or wishes for the club. This club is being turned around by the new manager and he hasnt had the luxury of dipping into the transfer market either...... the maths of our current table position, is not a worry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 14 November, 2010 Share Posted 14 November, 2010 Totally disagree with original post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corky morris Posted 14 November, 2010 Share Posted 14 November, 2010 I certainly support him, but yesterday he got it wrong. I am sure he will again. The purpose of a forum is to share views, that is exactly what people are doing for christ sake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 14 November, 2010 Share Posted 14 November, 2010 Does anyone think we wouldn't have played 4-5-1 for this game under Pardew? It wasn't the tactics by the sounds of it, but the execution. In which case we weren't fully prepared for the system to be used in an competitive match therefore it was the tactics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_mears Posted 14 November, 2010 Share Posted 14 November, 2010 I cannot see any 'knives sharpening' what utter tosh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint 76er Posted 14 November, 2010 Share Posted 14 November, 2010 Surely Cortese would not be spooked by one narrow loss in a difficult away game, and surely NA is here until at least promotion this season is out of reach? However, might be interesting should Ray Wilkins happen to end up here in any capacity. That would certainly keep the pressure on Nige .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 14 November, 2010 Share Posted 14 November, 2010 my response to other thread applies before Adkins L 0-1 W 2-0 D 1-1 L 0-1 W 4-0 L 0-3 L 0-2 L 0-1 since L 0-2 (in post for about a day!) d 0-0 w 1-0 d 1-1 w 2-0 w 2-0 l 0-2 w 2-1 w 3-1 w 4-0 w 2-0 Since he has been here only Brighton have done better. So results - yes. Signings - Chaplow - yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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