saint lard Posted 14 November, 2010 Share Posted 14 November, 2010 I am interested to know what those who thought Nigel Adkins' appointment was a 'masterstroke' think and if they remain steadfast in this opinion still. This is not a NA bashing thread at all,i can assure you. I have made it obvious that i am more than disappointed thus far. With the players at his disposal he has not made the inroads i would have hoped. Some will say the results speak for themselves,but if you dissect those performances,the oposition and the style and manner in the way we have played we are underperforming. This is not a knee jerk reaction to yesterdays result,as some will know i have had this view from the moment he was linked with us. His form at Scunny was fairly impressive with the tools available to him,but this in no way gave him the credentials to show he would succeed at SFC. The messiah like status he was given even before a ball was kicked in anger was somewhat strange to me i have to say. I think he can get us out of this league...eventually,and i sincerely hope he succeeds. But i remain unconvinced he is the man to follow through the supposed '5 year plan' To coin a phrase 'underwhelmed'. Retires to bunker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 14 November, 2010 Share Posted 14 November, 2010 Seems to be doing about as well as Pardew, and without the points deduction and with a closer league this season that should be more than enough to get us promoted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 14 November, 2010 Share Posted 14 November, 2010 He has done a good job so far. We have lost only two games under him (excluding MK Dons) and have been winning despite not playing that well. He is a clever man who knows what he is talking about. It is remarkable how attitudes towards him have changed, after one defeat. We are four points of second for god sake, we have come up from the bottom four to a promotion battle. Win against Posh and the benders and we are back on track. There are 90 points left to play for- we need only four to make up on second place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 14 November, 2010 Share Posted 14 November, 2010 Last 8 games, 6 wins 2 defeats. Pretty good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 14 November, 2010 Share Posted 14 November, 2010 If you don't care about what someone is saying or you think they are just trying to get a reaction, then why not ignore what they've said and NOT give them a reaction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whoateallthepies Posted 14 November, 2010 Share Posted 14 November, 2010 I am interested to know what those who thought Nigel Adkins' appointment was a 'masterstroke' think and if they remain steadfast in this opinion still. In answer to the title of this thread...it doesn't matter whether Adkins lives up to our expectations or not. The only person that counts in that respect is NC. I can only guess, but my best guess is that if we are not promoted at the end of the season, he will sack Adkins. Personally, I hope he gives him some money in January to liven the squad but who knows what his expectations, realistic or not, actually are. In answer to your second question, I wouldn't call it a 'masterstroke'; just another manager in a long line of managers who has been told to either keep us up or get us up. Best of luck to him of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint lard Posted 14 November, 2010 Author Share Posted 14 November, 2010 Some swift moderating going on here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 14 November, 2010 Share Posted 14 November, 2010 His form so far has been decent enough; games against Peterborough and Brighton will tell us a lot about where we are as a team against the top sides (which is clearly the concern at the moment). Too early to judge him now. But he's made an ok start, 8/10 in my book. I am getting a bit worried about how often we're said to be not playing that well, even when winning. I'm starting to wonder if that is just our natural level, because there's only so long you can go along supposedly playing under par. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acersaint Posted 14 November, 2010 Share Posted 14 November, 2010 It's seems to me that some people would only be happy if we were 10 points clear at the top of the table for the whole season. How f#####g boring would that be. We are right in the mix and the ups and downs are what gets the adrenaline racing. Yes there still needs some work done on the team but there is a lot to be positive about. Come on guys this is the Saints it's never going to be an easy ride but it will always be entertaining!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rory Posted 14 November, 2010 Share Posted 14 November, 2010 This forum is truly unbearable. One defeat and the world ends. How many games has he lost? Three? Three f*cking games. How many games have we lost in the past five years since relegation????? We are still in touching distance of the top two and have no divine right to win every game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 14 November, 2010 Share Posted 14 November, 2010 It's seems to me that some people would only be happy if we were 10 points clear at the top of the table for the whole season. How f#####g boring would that be. We are right in the mix and the ups and downs are what gets the adrenaline racing. Yes there still needs some work done on the team but there is a lot to be positive about. Come on guys this is the Saints it's never going to be an easy ride but it will always be entertaining!! I'd take 10 points clear, rather than 10th place, thanks very much. Being mid-table doesn't suggest to me that we are "right in the mix". We're just on the fringes of it, and lets face it, this season we are under achieving. I think Adkins can get us there but we need to find winning consistency against the top sides, starting next week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 14 November, 2010 Share Posted 14 November, 2010 I assume Sir Alex Ferguson was fired this morning for lacklustre performances against Wolves & Villa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 14 November, 2010 Share Posted 14 November, 2010 Some swift moderating going on here. Just coincidence I was reading this thread when those posts were made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 14 November, 2010 Share Posted 14 November, 2010 I assume Sir Alex Ferguson was fired this morning for lacklustre performances against Wolves & Villa Has Adkins delivered us fourteen trophies then? The big problem currently seems to be that we can beat anyone who is rubbish but we are struggling against the decent sides. People get carried away because we beat Dagenham 4-0 when the truth is, Phil, you or I could have been manager that day and we would still have beaten Dagenham. Managers earn their corn against good sides not bad ones. Carlisle are a good side at home but their squad was aseembled for less than a tenth of ours and anyone who justifies losing there as some sort of 'learning experience' is deluding themselves. The Chairman wants promotion. The manager needs to deliver it. He probably still will but anything less than 6 points in the next two games will illustrate we are behind poorer teams which would be a maor worry.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 14 November, 2010 Share Posted 14 November, 2010 I think the performances have been nowhere near as good as last season. I hope things pick up soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 14 November, 2010 Share Posted 14 November, 2010 (edited) I am interested to know what those who thought Nigel Adkins' appointment was a 'masterstroke' think and if they remain steadfast in this opinion still. This is not a NA bashing thread at all,i can assure you. I have made it obvious that i am more than disappointed thus far. With the players at his disposal he has not made the inroads i would have hoped. Some will say the results speak for themselves,but if you dissect those performances,the oposition and the style and manner in the way we have played we are underperforming. This is not a knee jerk reaction to yesterdays result,as some will know i have had this view from the moment he was linked with us. His form at Scunny was fairly impressive with the tools available to him,but this in no way gave him the credentials to show he would succeed at SFC. The messiah like status he was given even before a ball was kicked in anger was somewhat strange to me i have to say. I think he can get us out of this league...eventually,and i sincerely hope he succeeds. But i remain unconvinced he is the man to follow through the supposed '5 year plan' To coin a phrase 'underwhelmed'. Retires to bunker. "Messiah like status" - wtf are you talking about? I imagine most people are resonably happy with our results so far but recognise there is still room for improvement. Most of our disappointing results this season have been the result of players missing chances or individual cock-ups (under Pardew and Adkins). Not really the manager's fault IMO. Edited 14 November, 2010 by benjii Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Saint Posted 14 November, 2010 Share Posted 14 November, 2010 For supporters who thought Pardew was the Manager to take us forward and had a record of reasonable success then I suppose they will be underwhealmed, as you put it, with Adkins Management so far. For those who felt that Pardew was too negative and narrow with a lack of a tactical change during games, Adkins represents an improvement. Pardew was a "dead man walking". Cortese had seen to that in Pardew's eyes. From then in change was inevitable. Just like supporters, players and staff would have the same differing opinions. Adkins has to prove he can do the job. So far he is doing a decent job but soon he is going to have to crank it up. January will be an interesting time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 14 November, 2010 Share Posted 14 November, 2010 For me December will be the crunch time for Nigel... But before that two wins at home will bring great needed confidence to the side and the fans. Although these next two are ultra important the next 4/6 games will be the true test of his ability to manage/coach this team/squad. Come on Big Nige you can sort this team out and get some consistency.. Spiderman back on the bench for me and Jaidi to the resrves please. Barnard up front with Riikkkeee who will get goals these coming games..Law of averages or else Richard. Adkins proves to me that he is no better than Pards but should have enough to get us back up there in the top six.. I just remember all the rubbish aimed at Pards and the forum coach and all the bollixx about selection/tactics/substitutions/width Adkins was certainly the choice for some forum experts and their man better produce sooon or he will be on his bike.. Nigel/Saints players...Pleeeeese sort it out. Come on Saints Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
georgeweahscousin Posted 14 November, 2010 Share Posted 14 November, 2010 The fact is we were poor under Pardew then Wilkins this season, Adkins came in and while performances haven't necessarily been better, results certainly have. At the end of the day it is results that he will be judged on. We are 4 points from second place. Disaster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 14 November, 2010 Share Posted 14 November, 2010 Just don't think we can even afford to question him - he has to be given more time. After Tranmere I was really convinced we were on the way up but I have been a little underwhelmed by our performances since even though we have got results. He seems to be tinkering too much perhaps (sounds like that was the case yesterday) - perhaps NC is putting on the pressure and he is getting jumpy? I don't know but as others have said Dec/Jan will make or break our season. He needs to take a deep breath and stick to doing what he knows best which suceeded At S****horpe. Maybe dropping Lambert too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 14 November, 2010 Share Posted 14 November, 2010 The fact is we were poor under Pardew then Wilkins this season, Adkins came in and while performances haven't necessarily been better, results certainly have. At the end of the day it is results that he will be judged on. We are 4 points from second place. Disaster. Considering our squad and where we were meant to be at the start of the season, I don't think that's good enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 14 November, 2010 Share Posted 14 November, 2010 He seems to be tinkering too much perhaps (sounds like that was the case yesterday) - perhaps NC is putting on the pressure and he is getting jumpy? Keep trying to plant those seeds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
georgeweahscousin Posted 14 November, 2010 Share Posted 14 November, 2010 Considering our squad and where we were meant to be at the start of the season, I don't think that's good enough. If that is where we are at the end of the season I agree, but from where we were when he took over it is a reasonable return. I presume you weren't happy with Pardew at the end of last season then? After all we finished 3 points off second if you disregard the points deduction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 14 November, 2010 Share Posted 14 November, 2010 If that is where we are at the end of the season I agree, but from where we were when he took over it is a reasonable return. I presume you weren't happy with Pardew at the end of last season then? You are right I wasn't really. I don't think Pardew was entirely responsible for the poor start this year though. People won't like to hear it but if we don't get promoted this year it will be because of our start and that's Nicola's fault. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
georgeweahscousin Posted 14 November, 2010 Share Posted 14 November, 2010 You are right I wasn't really. I don't think Pardew was entirely responsible for the poor start this year though. People won't like to hear it but if we don't get promoted this year it will be because of our start and that's Nicola's fault. I think Pardew has to take some of the blame. The players weren't fit and that is down to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 14 November, 2010 Share Posted 14 November, 2010 I think Pardew has to take some of the blame. The players weren't fit and that is down to him. I agree with this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 14 November, 2010 Share Posted 14 November, 2010 I think Pardew has to take some of the blame. The players weren't fit and that is down to him. That's why I said he wasn't entirely responsible. Obviously he must take some blame but it does seem odd that there was a big attitude change with Pardew during pre-season with lots of people saying he knew it was just a matter of time before he was sacked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy_Porter Posted 14 November, 2010 Share Posted 14 November, 2010 I presume you weren't happy with Pardew at the end of last season then? After all we finished 3 points off second if you disregard the points deduction. Totally different situation. Pardew done a fantastic job rebuilding last season, you can dislike him or his style of football but the way he changed the club and team around fron Huddersfield, Swindon, Stockport etc early doors was superb. It's a shame there was some friction between him and Cortese as it's destabalised us somewhat. Still confident that Adkins will get us promoted (hopefully twice) the odd poor result will obviously happen with any manager, it's how we react on Saturday that will be telling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 14 November, 2010 Share Posted 14 November, 2010 Totally different situation. Pardew done a fantastic job rebuilding last season, you can dislike him or his style of football but the way he changed the club and team around fron Huddersfield, Swindon, Stockport etc early doors was superb. It's a shame there was some friction between him and Cortese as it's destabalised us somewhat. Still confident that Adkins will get us promoted (hopefully twice) the odd poor result will obviously happen with any manager, it's how we react on Saturday that will be telling. Cortese will be judged on whether we get promoted this year or not. If we do not then you really have to question his handling of the Pardew situation which has already had a hugely negative impact on our season. Let us hope that it becomes irrelevant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LostBoys Posted 14 November, 2010 Share Posted 14 November, 2010 I love this forum for all the wackos on it. Sack everybody and start again I say Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red and White Army Posted 14 November, 2010 Share Posted 14 November, 2010 We are 4 points from second place. Disaster. We should be walking this league. We're only eight points away from the relegation zone too. The fact is neither results nor performances are reflecting the fact we have outspent every team in this league and have a much better team & squad than the teams we are failing to beat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 14 November, 2010 Share Posted 14 November, 2010 We should be walking this league. We're only eight points away from the relegation zone too. The fact is neither results nor performances are reflecting the fact we have outspent every team in this league and have a much better team & squad than the teams we are failing to beat. Yep. Not good enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedArmy Posted 14 November, 2010 Share Posted 14 November, 2010 He's done as well as he could considering our star striker is playing like crap... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGTL Posted 14 November, 2010 Share Posted 14 November, 2010 These threads are totally pointless. When this thread was posted after a recent win everyone said yes, now after a loss most people are having some doubts. I wonder what the answer will be when this is posted after our next game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PokingFun Posted 14 November, 2010 Share Posted 14 November, 2010 The team has achieved 20 points from 11 games including MK Dons where NA had no preparation time. You cannot expect much more than that as most teams that WIN this league rarely average much more than 2 points per game. Unfortunately, too many people are looking simply at our league position and getting upset. You need to look at the trend, which is an upwards trend for sure. Players at this level are here for a simple reason .... they are not as consistent as those in higher division top teams and therefore the odd poor result here and there is inevitable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 14 November, 2010 Share Posted 14 November, 2010 These threads are totally pointless. When this thread was posted after a recent win everyone said yes, now after a loss most people are having some doubts. I wonder what the answer will be when this is posted after our next game No they didn't. Not entirely, anyway. A substantial amount of people said that Adkins had made a very good start, but that we shouldn't get carried away and that we'd learn a lot more from games against the top sides. We've just lost one of those games, and we have two games coming up that will again be a big test but that will tell us a lot about how good this team really is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 14 November, 2010 Share Posted 14 November, 2010 before Adkins L 0-1 W 2-0 D 1-1 L 0-1 W 4-0 L 0-3 L 0-2 L 0-1 since L 0-2 (in post for about a day!) d 0-0 w 1-0 d 1-1 w 2-0 w 2-0 l 0-2 w 2-1 w 3-1 w 4-0 w 2-0 Since he has been here only Brighton have done better. So results - yes. Signings - Chaplow - yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 14 November, 2010 Share Posted 14 November, 2010 Considering our squad and where we were meant to be at the start of the season, I don't think that's good enough. blame Pardew or Wilkins or NC - not Adkins he has us at the top since here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ewell Posted 14 November, 2010 Share Posted 14 November, 2010 Last 8 games, 6 wins 2 defeats. Pretty good. In a nutshell that is promotion winning form. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 14 November, 2010 Share Posted 14 November, 2010 blame Pardew or Wilkins or NC - not Adkins he has us at the top since here. We shall see at the end of the season. Things not going to plan so far though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 14 November, 2010 Share Posted 14 November, 2010 We shall see at the end of the season. Things not going to plan so far though. since change they are Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 14 November, 2010 Share Posted 14 November, 2010 In a nutshell that is promotion winning form. but our last 8 league games are W5 D1 L2, 16 points from 24, probably good enough still but not the same as winning 6 because of our poor start we need over 2 per game now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pokerchampion Posted 14 November, 2010 Share Posted 14 November, 2010 totally agree , what a joke again . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackFrost Posted 14 November, 2010 Share Posted 14 November, 2010 Very encouraged by his appointment. Think he has done a very good job thus far. A couple of off-days away from home but he seems to have more tactical nous than AP and I think he'll be here for a long time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
croydonsaint Posted 14 November, 2010 Share Posted 14 November, 2010 I am interested to know what those who thought Nigel Adkins' appointment was a 'masterstroke' think and if they remain steadfast in this opinion still. This is not a NA bashing thread at all,i can assure you. I have made it obvious that i am more than disappointed thus far. With the players at his disposal he has not made the inroads i would have hoped. Some will say the results speak for themselves,but if you dissect those performances,the oposition and the style and manner in the way we have played we are underperforming. This is not a knee jerk reaction to yesterdays result,as some will know i have had this view from the moment he was linked with us. His form at Scunny was fairly impressive with the tools available to him,but this in no way gave him the credentials to show he would succeed at SFC. The messiah like status he was given even before a ball was kicked in anger was somewhat strange to me i have to say. I think he can get us out of this league...eventually,and i sincerely hope he succeeds. But i remain unconvinced he is the man to follow through the supposed '5 year plan' To coin a phrase 'underwhelmed'. Retires to bunker. What kind of forum is this that when a attention seeking thread is allowed to continue [and why not] and my response that It is attention seeking and pointless was removed. [ see post 5] Any way to repeat, I am more underwhelmed with the O.Ps quality of thinking than I am with the quality of Adkins management. If we have to why not see where we are at the end of the season and judge Adkins then. Even the quality of the moderating has declined on this site. Shame. This kind of thraed is clearly just hunting for attention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint lard Posted 14 November, 2010 Author Share Posted 14 November, 2010 (edited) What kind of forum is this that when a attention seeking thread is allowed to continue [and why not] and my response that It is attention seeking and pointless was removed. [ see post 5] Any way to repeat, I am more underwhelmed with the O.Ps quality of thinking than I am with the quality of Adkins management. If we have to why not see where we are at the end of the season and judge Adkins then. Even the quality of the moderating has declined on this site. Shame. This kind of thraed is clearly just hunting for attention Thankyou for your contribution,brilliant. If you do not like the thread topic,ignore and move on. If you don't agree with the OP,state your reasons,don't just have a pop. I hope that got your attention. It is a legitamate question,and it seems some of the more cognative posters manage to post their views. You are what is wrong about a forum.....checkout the meaning of the word forum and heed it, perhaps you may be able to contribute.....or maybe not. Edited 14 November, 2010 by saint lard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Who? Posted 14 November, 2010 Share Posted 14 November, 2010 I think he has done a good job so far, and has/is trying a few different things (some working some not) I think he is still trying tactics out and has a pretty good record. 2 points off 2nd. I think during the run in he will know what works at home and what works away from home. We are always going to lose games in this league as everyone can beat anyone. Still think we will go up and with Brighton losing yesterday I think/hope they will fall away a bit, so leaving the Champions door open. If you look at some of the results in the league it all points to being very open, as do the points between the teams. ALL to play for!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 14 November, 2010 Share Posted 14 November, 2010 What kind of forum is this that when a attention seeking thread is allowed to continue [and why not] and my response that It is attention seeking and pointless was removed. [ see post 5] Any way to repeat, I am more underwhelmed with the O.Ps quality of thinking than I am with the quality of Adkins management. If we have to why not see where we are at the end of the season and judge Adkins then. Even the quality of the moderating has declined on this site. Shame. This kind of thraed is clearly just hunting for attention Plenty of people have been able to debate sensibly on this thread, so even if the OP was hunting for a reaction it has backfired on him. As has already been said - twice - if you don't like a thread, don't post on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 14 November, 2010 Share Posted 14 November, 2010 Plenty of people have been able to debate sensibly on this thread, so even if the OP was hunting for a reaction it has backfired on him. As has already been said - twice - if you don't like a thread, don't post on it. Alternatively criticise it's content. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 14 November, 2010 Share Posted 14 November, 2010 If you don't care about what someone is saying or you think they are just trying to get a reaction, then why not ignore what they've said and NOT give them a reaction. Because I've paid my fiver and can say what I like as long as I stay within the rules when it comes to insult etc. You're out of order pulling my post. I don't appreciate your pious attitude. Refund my fiver and delist me as a member. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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