Saint Charlie Posted 31 January, 2011 Share Posted 31 January, 2011 For me it is 8/10 Great to get Lallana signed on a long term contract Great to keep AOC - must have been hard for Cortese to fight off the big clubs so well done, not sure any other L1 club would have managed it, indeed lots lost some of their better players. Chaplow and Guly signed which again is a good move, solid additions of Championship quality. Lack of pace addressed with Forte and N'Guessan - bench will look a lot better now. IMO could only have been improved realistically with a big move for a striker like Austin or Mackail-Smith, but we have enough to get promotion this season and if we don't it will be because we havent played well enough, not because we don't have the players. Also interesting that West Ham bid for Martin. By all accounts very highly rated so lets keep developing him and he could be Jaidi's replacement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 31 January, 2011 Share Posted 31 January, 2011 Can't disagree with any of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 31 January, 2011 Share Posted 31 January, 2011 5/10 Players already at club signing new deals = v.good. However players bought in are L1/2 standard and dont improve the 1st team significantly (IMO) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 31 January, 2011 Share Posted 31 January, 2011 It's a bit tricky to rate now. I would rather see what impact the new signings make before passing judgement. A shame Puncheon has seemingly gone again though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winchester_Saint Posted 31 January, 2011 Share Posted 31 January, 2011 Pretty much spot on mate! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winchester_Saint Posted 31 January, 2011 Share Posted 31 January, 2011 Original post I mean Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 31 January, 2011 Share Posted 31 January, 2011 Totally agree Saint Charlie. Can't find anything to complain about, I didn't think we really needed to sign anyone but we needed to keep who we already have (i.e - chappers/guly/lallana/oxo) good times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenridge Posted 31 January, 2011 Share Posted 31 January, 2011 For me it is 8/10 Also interesting that West Ham bid for Martin. By all accounts very highly rated so lets keep developing him and he could be Jaidi's replacement. Expect to see him to go out on loan which was due to happen last week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cellone Posted 31 January, 2011 Share Posted 31 January, 2011 (edited) 4/5 not bad for a Jan window. Edited 1 February, 2011 by cellone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 31 January, 2011 Author Share Posted 31 January, 2011 Expect to see him to go out on loan which was due to happen last week. L1 or L2? Makes sense but only if we can recall. One injury to a CB and we would need him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebel Posted 31 January, 2011 Share Posted 31 January, 2011 At the moment no more than 5. Can't say I'm really impressed by either of our two transfer window signings - neither seems to have set the world alight and at 23 and 24 (?) probably won't get much better. Other than pace I'm not sure they will give us much. In his brief appearance on Saturday N'Guessan seemed to have no touch at all. I would guess one's a replacement for Puncheon and the other a replacement for Barnard. Are they any better than Puncheon and Barnard - probably not? Are they impact players - don't think so! I would guess none of are substantial bids were accepted. I don't really count Chaplow or Do Prado as both have been here for a while now - they are not really new signings - and neither are Lallana or Oxlade. The team which included all 4 of those players needed strengthening in this window if we are to clinch an automatic promotion place - and a marquee signing to give everyome a boost - fans and players. Still it looks like we've kept Lallana and Oxlade so its not all bad! Lets hope we can get some better players in on loan in the 'loan window'! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenridge Posted 31 January, 2011 Share Posted 31 January, 2011 L1 or L2? Makes sense but only if we can recall. One injury to a CB and we would need him. It was an L1 team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 31 January, 2011 Share Posted 31 January, 2011 First 11 hard to improve on at this level. Squad was already excellent. Added CM - position with least cover - a player good enough for higher level. Signed guly on perm - imho one of best forwards in this league and who is keeping Barnard one of this leagues top scorers out of the side. Kept Ox-C and Lallana - both tipped for prem. We had plenty of cover in defence and upfront. Last season's wide players were Lallana and Puncheon - this has been improved with Ox-C replacing Puncheon. Only thing not stronger than our squad (which performed well once assembled last year) was speed off the bench. We signed N'Guessan - who Brighton's forum had long thread saying how keen they were to sign him for first 11, and Forte who is apparently lighning quick and has been nearly ever present as a winger in league above us and is prob coming to be sub here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 31 January, 2011 Share Posted 31 January, 2011 At the moment no more than 5. Can't say I'm really impressed by either of our two transfer window signings - neither seems to have set the world alight and at 23 and 24 (?) probably won't get much better. Other than pace I'm not sure they will give us much. In his brief appearance on Saturday N'Guessan seemed to have no touch at all. I would guess one's a replacement for Puncheon and the other a replacement for Barnard. Are they any better than Puncheon and Barnard - probably not? Are they impact players - don't think so! I would guess none of are substantial bids were accepted. I don't really count Chaplow or Do Prado as both have been here for a while now - they are not really new signings - and neither are Lallana or Oxlade. The team which included all 4 of those players needed strengthening in this window if we are to clinch an automatic promotion place - and a marquee signing to give everyome a boost - fans and players. Still it looks like we've kept Lallana and Oxlade so its not all bad! Lets hope we can get some better players in on loan in the 'loan window'! you've forgotten that we also signed Guly and Chaplow, don't just take them for granted because they were already here on loan. Both significant signings for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wild-saint Posted 31 January, 2011 Share Posted 31 January, 2011 5/10 Players already at club signing new deals = v.good. However players bought in are L1/2 standard and dont improve the 1st team significantly (IMO) So please tell me your views on the two new signings, what are thier strengths / weaknesses, potential to develop etc. Have you seen either of these players play? what are the reasons for either of them not making it as nailed on first team players at thier current clubs? of thier obvious short comings as players that you have identified, please tell me why saints management & coachingstaff havent got the skills to make a positive change / difference? or as most on here suspect you have never heard of them and are basis your assesment on that alone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 31 January, 2011 Share Posted 31 January, 2011 so 8/10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 31 January, 2011 Share Posted 31 January, 2011 For me it is 8/10 Great to get Lallana signed on a long term contract Great to keep AOC - must have been hard for Cortese to fight off the big clubs so well done, not sure any other L1 club would have managed it, indeed lots lost some of their better players. Chaplow and Guly signed which again is a good move, solid additions of Championship quality. Lack of pace addressed with Forte and N'Guessan - bench will look a lot better now. IMO could only have been improved realistically with a big move for a striker like Austin or Mackail-Smith, but we have enough to get promotion this season and if we don't it will be because we havent played well enough, not because we don't have the players. Also interesting that West Ham bid for Martin. By all accounts very highly rated so lets keep developing him and he could be Jaidi's replacement. Good summary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 31 January, 2011 Share Posted 31 January, 2011 (edited) I'm happy looking at how it has left us: 2 good keepers - both good enough for top team in league 1 4 fullbacks - all four good enough to start in promotion side 3 good CB - one just behind who is young prospect looks very good. CM - could we do much better in league 1 than Chaplow and Morgan? plus Hammond (cover of Gobbern, Butterfield, Dickson, Lallana, Guly etc depnding on shape) wide players - first choice Lallana and Ox-C (suggest good enough for top CCC side) Forwards Guly and Lambert - again can't imagine any league 1 side turning that down. Impact subs N'Guessan / Forte - playing every game in first 11 in higher league! Cover for forwards: Barnard - would get in all other sides, good scoring record Connolly Doble All of: Lallana, Ox-C, N'Guessan, Forte can play as a forward. Edited 31 January, 2011 by NickG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 31 January, 2011 Share Posted 31 January, 2011 We have 2 players for each position Nick, and some of those players are versatile and can cover other positions. It's the perfect squad really. I hate massive squads with bloated reserve teams as it stops the younguns coming through. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oxfordshire_saint Posted 31 January, 2011 Share Posted 31 January, 2011 We've not lost anyone and added some much needed pace to the team. I'm more than satisfied with that. We were never going to get Austin and wouldn't pay silly money for Mackail-Smith, so wasn't pinning my hopes on us getting either of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oxfordshire_saint Posted 31 January, 2011 Share Posted 31 January, 2011 We've not lost anyone and added some much needed pace to the team. I'm more than satisfied with that. We were never going to get Austin and wouldn't pay silly money for Mackail-Smith, so wasn't pinning my hopes on us getting either of them. By not lost anyone, I was classing Puncheon as "gone" a long time ago! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 31 January, 2011 Share Posted 31 January, 2011 My guess has always been the club didn't consider a bid for Austin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 31 January, 2011 Share Posted 31 January, 2011 6.5/10. Pleased to keep players but would have really liked to have signed some proven quality to reduce the risk of not getting promoted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 31 January, 2011 Share Posted 31 January, 2011 Doesn't always work like that though Hypo. We already have a strong squad that should get us promoted, signing more and more players doesn't always guarantee success either. We don't need to spend big bucks until we're in the championship. There really isn't much wrong with this squad, those who were at Oldham and at St Mary's on Saturday can vouch for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 31 January, 2011 Share Posted 31 January, 2011 Doesn't always work like that though Hypo. We already have a strong squad that should get us promoted, signing more and more players doesn't always guarantee success either. We don't need to spend big bucks until we're in the championship. There really isn't much wrong with this squad, those who were at Oldham and at St Mary's on Saturday can vouch for that. I know it doesn't guarantee success, it's why I said it reduces the risk. I just have a suspicion that we aren't being supported to the extent that we were when Markus was alive. I suppose we shall see if we get promoted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 31 January, 2011 Share Posted 31 January, 2011 Both signed from the league above and you haven't seen them play. I understand what glasgow saint said is ridiculous but signing someone from the league above is not a sign of quality. There are loads of gash players in the NPC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 31 January, 2011 Share Posted 31 January, 2011 We don't have to worry about finance, i am about 90% certain of that. I think as i said before its just a case that the players we wanted did not want to move in January. Its a sad time when fans want the club to spend stupid money in order to appease them. If the Forte deal was announced as a 10mil deal would you all be happy ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 31 January, 2011 Share Posted 31 January, 2011 I know it doesn't guarantee success, it's why I said it reduces the risk. I just have a suspicion that we aren't being supported to the extent that we were when Markus was alive. I suppose we shall see if we get promoted. Do you really think we're not backed? This window would have cost a significant amount... 3 players signed permanetly, one on loan, lallana signed up and we knocked back a reported 10 mil for AOC. Hardly sounds like a club which isn't backed suffiently Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 1 February, 2011 Share Posted 1 February, 2011 Do you really think we're not backed? This window would have cost a significant amount... 3 players signed permanetly, one on loan, lallana signed up and we knocked back a reported 10 mil for AOC. Hardly sounds like a club which isn't backed suffiently I feel the vast majority can be accounted for with our crowds and Manu etc. We have seen a tailing off in terms of finance from last year. Whether that is part of a strategy or a symptom of markus' death or even the legal wranglings that have been rumoured I have no idea but interesting to consider. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 1 February, 2011 Share Posted 1 February, 2011 I feel the vast majority can be accounted for with our crowds and Manu etc. We have seen a tailing off in terms of finance from last year. Whether that is part of a strategy or a symptom of markus' death or even the legal wranglings that have been rumoured I have no idea but interesting to consider. Or perhaps the fact that we currently have the best side in the division ?? I would argue that even City will start to reduce their spending now they have a team that they want there. FFS, some people just post utter carp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 1 February, 2011 Share Posted 1 February, 2011 I feel the vast majority can be accounted for with our crowds and Manu etc. We have seen a tailing off in terms of finance from last year. Whether that is part of a strategy or a symptom of markus' death or even the legal wranglings that have been rumoured I have no idea but interesting to consider. FFS, thats all based on hear say from faceless nutters on internet forums. And we all know how much **** is posted on here.... You're simply reading into things which are not there Seems to me that you're a bit insecure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 1 February, 2011 Share Posted 1 February, 2011 FFS, thats all based on hear say from faceless nutters on internet forums. And we all know how much **** is posted on here.... You're simply reading into things which are not there Seems to me that you're a bit insecure Watch out, he will press one of his little buttons soon, he just hasn't figured out whether it will be the ignore on or the report one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 1 February, 2011 Share Posted 1 February, 2011 Watch out, he will press one of his little buttons soon, he just hasn't figured out whether it will be the ignore on or the report one. Either is fine by me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 1 February, 2011 Share Posted 1 February, 2011 (edited) 5/10 Players already at club signing new deals = v.good. However players bought in are L1/2 standard and dont improve the 1st team significantly (IMO) Not sure how you are in a position to judge them yet on their standard IN THIS TEAM!?!? The team (in L1) at full strength could probably not be bettered, so anyone who comes in is not going to get an immediate start unless there are injuries. They have come in to bolster the squad and provide an alternative when others are injured or need a rest (or go to jail). So by that reasoning they HAVE improved the team significantly, where significant means without them we would need to play players out of position - e.g. Dickson on the wing. PS: My take on this window is 9/10. Pretty damn good business keeping hold of some exceptional talent, signing perm deals and bringing in new blood. Fantastic really. Edited 1 February, 2011 by Saint Fan CaM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 1 February, 2011 Share Posted 1 February, 2011 FFS, thats all based on hear say from faceless nutters on internet forums. And we all know how much **** is posted on here.... You're simply reading into things which are not there Seems to me that you're a bit insecure No I'm not I stated nothing as a fact just giving my opinion on some possible scenarios for why I feel the transfer window was a little underwhelming in some areas. And please don't quote spastic saint he doesn't appear on Tapatalk unless he is quoted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan The Flames Posted 1 February, 2011 Share Posted 1 February, 2011 I'll give it an upfront payment of 4/10 with a possible 2/10 add ons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMike Posted 1 February, 2011 Share Posted 1 February, 2011 6.5/10. Pleased to keep players but would have really liked to have signed some proven quality to reduce the risk of not getting promoted. January is hard to get proven quality in L1, we may well have been in for some but for 1 reason or another we didnt get them. I am happy with AL signing a 4 year deal and us keeping AOC, that speaks volumes for where the club is at both financially and in terms of ambition. Guly signed, Chaplow bargain of the season, and with pace and power in the other 2 i would give it an 8/10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMike Posted 1 February, 2011 Share Posted 1 February, 2011 No I'm not I stated nothing as a fact just giving my opinion on some possible scenarios for why I feel the transfer window was a little underwhelming in some areas. And please don't quote spastic saint he doesn't appear on Tapatalk unless he is quoted. you are fast turning into Alpine's clone! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 1 February, 2011 Share Posted 1 February, 2011 Great to keep the players that we needed to. Underwhelmed by the players that have come in but hope to be proved wrong. With Lambert still not back to his best we need another Lambert like striker and we didn't get one. This could make all the difference in this half of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bensfcno1 Posted 1 February, 2011 Share Posted 1 February, 2011 Some people are so stupid on here! Spending big money does not guarantee instant success, bringing in the wrong players for the sake of it is a waste of money! Their attitude or personality may nor fit into the current dressing room (re puncheon), often the 'best' players don't fit into certain teams who play football which does not suit their style of play! Let's not get on the back or Cortese, who has gone above our status and proved his ambition by signing Adam on long term and being stubborn on the sale of AOC! So FFS stop moaning and speculating on the clubs finances that you may never know about and get behind the team for the promotion push! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 1 February, 2011 Share Posted 1 February, 2011 Delighted no one left which was the key, delighted to get Chaplow and Gully on permemnant deals, dont know anything about the new players so will reserve judgement although they seem to give us pace and power and options we have been missing. Disapointed we didn't make a "big" signing to improve the first 11, rumour has it from a reliable source we were talking to Peterborough about Joe Lewis and CMS right up until the close of the deadline. All in all though pretty happy, 7.5/10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 1 February, 2011 Share Posted 1 February, 2011 Could have been worse, could have been better. On balance I'd say it was about the best we could have expected, save perhaps signing Mackail-Smith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackFrost Posted 1 February, 2011 Share Posted 1 February, 2011 Only thing wrong for me was we didn't get rid of Pulis permanently Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thefunkygibbons Posted 1 February, 2011 Share Posted 1 February, 2011 11.36529/13 Quietly pleased and hope to see us back in the top 2 within 3 games Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avenue Saint Posted 1 February, 2011 Share Posted 1 February, 2011 Unique tfr window! In the sense that big clubs after our players and we kept them all! For various different reasons and none more so than growing up having watched every single player leave on interest from bigger clubs, (bar le tiss if course- u GEM) this window has been the best of my life! 10 out of 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Secret Site Agent Posted 1 February, 2011 Share Posted 1 February, 2011 (edited) For me it is 8/10 Great to get Lallana signed on a long term contract Great to keep AOC - must have been hard for Cortese to fight off the big clubs so well done, not sure any other L1 club would have managed it, indeed lots lost some of their better players. Chaplow and Guly signed which again is a good move, solid additions of Championship quality. Lack of pace addressed with Forte and N'Guessan - bench will look a lot better now. IMO could only have been improved realistically with a big move for a striker like Austin or Mackail-Smith, but we have enough to get promotion this season and if we don't it will be because we havent played well enough, not because we don't have the players. Also interesting that West Ham bid for Martin. By all accounts very highly rated so lets keep developing him and he could be Jaidi's replacement. I agree with the above. Imagine if the reverse was true and we just SIGNED lallana and AOC, it would indeed be a coup. The impact subs/Speed on the wings has been addressed, which is good, (assuming that is what these boys are for.) Signed Guly and Chaplow, (even though here on loan, it's still a signing) and my 'Imagine if we have JUST signed them' still holds true for them. Also got rid of a detractror and some 'burdens' which is also good. If only temporarily. Would have liked another striker but we are in a precarious position regarding new signings, as we would want someone who is happy to sit on the bench, but is good enough for the championship still, and not end up paying shed loads for someone only to sell them at a knock down price in the summer. Filling this criteria is very difficult, I can see. Also new signings could upset our 'gelling' team at the moment, so this is another consideration. But i'm content, bordering on happy. Edited 1 February, 2011 by Secret Site Agent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Secret Site Agent Posted 1 February, 2011 Share Posted 1 February, 2011 I know it doesn't guarantee success, it's why I said it reduces the risk. I just have a suspicion that we aren't being supported to the extent that we were when Markus was alive. I suppose we shall see if we get promoted. Ahh,the old, 'We aren't being supported because I read somewhere that someone knows someone who thinks that we might not be wanted as Marcus loved us and my gut tells me that I think if I was marcus and I died, my children wouldn't fulfil my destiny and it must be true because we didn't put in any bids for big names so it must me true. ' OK, and this rock I have keeps tigers away, and it must work because I don't see any tigers. Spurrious thinking at best. Many historical cases of fulfilment of a parents legacy by both children and grandchildren, so why not now? With Katerina (spl)? I personally belive that, as we are looking to build for the future, we were only looking for those that would cut it in the championship also, and not end up with a team able of preducing the goods in L1 and then fail to preform in Championship and we end up looking relegation in the mouth until we can change it. 5/10 Players already at club signing new deals = v.good. However players bought in are L1/2 standard and dont improve the 1st team significantly (IMO) I don't think we need to improve the team significantly, as I believe these are impact subs at best. I do believe that we probably lost out on a couple of decent ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 1 February, 2011 Share Posted 1 February, 2011 Ahh,the old, 'We aren't being supported because I read somewhere that someone knows someone who thinks that we might not be wanted as Marcus loved us and my gut tells me that I think if I was marcus and I died, my children wouldn't fulfil my destiny and it must be true because we didn't put in any bids for big names so it must me true. ' OK, and this rock I have keeps tigers away, and it must work because I don't see any tigers. Spurrious thinking at best. Many historical cases of fulfilment of a parents legacy by both children and grandchildren, so why not now? With Katerina (spl)? I personally belive that, as we are looking to build for the future, we were only looking for those that would cut it in the championship also, and not end up with a team able of preducing the goods in L1 and then fail to preform in Championship and we end up looking relegation in the mouth until we can change it. I don't think we need to improve the team significantly, as I believe these are impact subs at best. I do believe that we probably lost out on a couple of decent ones. What are you on about I never said it must be true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 1 February, 2011 Share Posted 1 February, 2011 Some people are so stupid on here! Spending big money does not guarantee instant success, bringing in the wrong players for the sake of it is a waste of money! Their attitude or personality may nor fit into the current dressing room (re puncheon), often the 'best' players don't fit into certain teams who play football which does not suit their style of play! Let's not get on the back or Cortese, who has gone above our status and proved his ambition by signing Adam on long term and being stubborn on the sale of AOC! So FFS stop moaning and speculating on the clubs finances that you may never know about and get behind the team for the promotion push! Absolutely no one said it did Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 1 February, 2011 Share Posted 1 February, 2011 Will give 10/10 after we have beaten Exeter 4-0.....and a further 6 points off Posh and Carlisle.. Til then 7 and 3/4...Keep going our Nigel.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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