corsacar saint Posted 15 March, 2011 Share Posted 15 March, 2011 With Huddersfield sneaking wins,and Peterboro totally flying,winning every game,maybe the only way to come second. I thought we could come second before the season started,now I am not so sure. I do not fancy us winning the play-offs,we will see what we are made of now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 15 March, 2011 Share Posted 15 March, 2011 Not winning every game could possibly be not a necessity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 15 March, 2011 Share Posted 15 March, 2011 Nope, Saints can still guarantee 2nd spot without winning every game... - A win and a draw from the two games in hand over Peterborough puts Saints ahead. - Two wins a a defeat from the three games in hand over Huddersfield puts Saints ahead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Posted 15 March, 2011 Share Posted 15 March, 2011 Peterborough will not win all of their remaining games. And why wouldn't you fancy us in the Playoffs? If Peterborough take second we are easily the strongest team from 3rd to 6th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedArmy Posted 15 March, 2011 Share Posted 15 March, 2011 The sky! It's falling! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Katalinic's 'tache Posted 15 March, 2011 Share Posted 15 March, 2011 Peterborough play Huddersfield soon. Something's gotta give!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eaststander Posted 15 March, 2011 Share Posted 15 March, 2011 Control the controllables, and let everyone else worry about us. Nothing has changed with tonghts results. Stop panicking Mr Mainwairing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 15 March, 2011 Share Posted 15 March, 2011 Peterborough will not win all of their remaining games. And why wouldn't you fancy us in the Playoffs? If Peterborough take second we are easily the strongest team from 3rd to 6th. That's what I thought earlier when people were saying, "another year in League 1". Even if we can't beat Posh, and personally I don't think we will, I'd fancy our chances against any of Orient, Franchise, Udders or Bompey. Anyway, let's not panic yet. There will be plenty more twists in this season. Posh look good at the moment, but you don't go winning 5-0 for 10 games on the trot. They will come unstuck at some point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintBobby Posted 16 March, 2011 Share Posted 16 March, 2011 We do not need 36 points from our remaining 12 games. We just don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the saint in winchester Posted 16 March, 2011 Share Posted 16 March, 2011 I have to say I'm with the OP on this. Sure, its likely that the other two will drop some points .. but we can't rely on it. To win every game - wow, a tall order, but Peterborough are flying. Thought Brentford had done us a favour but they conceded in injury time vs Hudders. We need to have the mentality that to win every game is achievable. If we do it, we are promoted. Like the man says, "its as simple as that"!!! Now watch Sheff Wed come and take points off us. ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintBobby Posted 16 March, 2011 Share Posted 16 March, 2011 I'm sorry...it's madness..yes, I want us to win all 12 games. If we do, well probably pip Brighton to the title. I think Posh and Udders play each other....so we just don't need 36 points... 25ish will probably do it. 30 definitely.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 16 March, 2011 Share Posted 16 March, 2011 Peterborough will not win all of their remaining games. And why wouldn't you fancy us in the Playoffs? If Peterborough take second we are easily the strongest team from 3rd to 6th. does not mean a thing Just depends how we play in the play offs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy Nutkins Posted 16 March, 2011 Share Posted 16 March, 2011 With Huddersfield sneaking wins,and Peterboro totally flying,winning every game,maybe the only way to come second. I thought we could come second before the season started,now I am not so sure. I do not fancy us winning the play-offs,we will see what we are made of now. There's plenty more ooooooo's and ahhhhhhhhh's left Andy , until the final whistle blows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 16 March, 2011 Share Posted 16 March, 2011 (edited) I'm sure this thread will attract the usual tedious "wrist slitting" dismissive comments, but it is extremely hard to avoid the basic conclusion that, with the other teams around us achieving such a high level of performance, the only way to guarantee second place is to win all our games. And we badly need to make those games-in-hand count.... I am not sure there are still twists and turns ahead, the end of the season is not that far away. The loss of that 2-goal lead twice at Peterborough, and throwing the Walsall game away unecessarily, are looking huge at the moment... Edited 16 March, 2011 by alpine_saint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy Nutkins Posted 16 March, 2011 Share Posted 16 March, 2011 I'm sure this thread will attract the usual tedious "wrist slitting" dismissive comments, but it is extremely hard to avoid the basic conclusion that, with the other teams around us achieving such a high level of performance, the only way to guarantee second place is to win all our games. And we badly need to make those games-in-hand count.... I am not sure there are still twists and turns ahead, the end of the season is not that far away. The loss of that 2-goal lead twice at Peterborough, and throwing the Walsall game away unecessarily, are looking huge at the moment... There is when you put the Saints in the equation.Automatic promotion is there for us and it would be good to just keep this run going, but, Saints never ever do things the easy way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 16 March, 2011 Share Posted 16 March, 2011 I'm sure this thread will attract the usual tedious "wrist slitting" dismissive comments, but it is extremely hard to avoid the basic conclusion that, with the other teams around us achieving such a high level of performance, the only way to guarantee second place is to win all our games. And we badly need to make those games-in-hand count.... I am not sure there are still twists and turns ahead, the end of the season is not that far away. The loss of that 2-goal lead twice at Peterborough, and throwing the Walsall game away unecessarily, are looking huge at the moment... You dont seem to realise what happens in a football season as it is all about ifs and buts. Other teams in the top six will have similar comments about games where they did not achieve the results they were expecting. Why dont you stop being so hysterical and wait to the end of the season if we are good enough we will go up if we are not we wont nothing any of us can do apart from going to games and supporting the teams. Yesterday SFC were 1/5 to get promoted by the bookies we did not lose last night so promotion is still very likely but of course not guaranteed Our results have been very good latel so please look on the brightside Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raging Bull Posted 16 March, 2011 Share Posted 16 March, 2011 I'm sure b'muff plaf p'boro this weekend....their due a win again soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 16 March, 2011 Share Posted 16 March, 2011 You dont seem to realise what happens in a football season as it is all about ifs and buts. Other teams in the top six will have similar comments about games where they did not achieve the results they were expecting. Why dont you stop being so hysterical and wait to the end of the season if we are good enough we will go up if we are not we wont nothing any of us can do apart from going to games and supporting the teams. Yesterday SFC were 1/5 to get promoted by the bookies we did not lose last night so promotion is still very likely but of course not guaranteed Our results have been very good latel so please look on the brightside First of all, quit the patronising b*ll*cks. I have given my genuine opinion on the thread - started by someone else. Why the f**k should we wait to until the end of the season to discuss how things are shaping up ? Because you f**king well say so ? If you dont like it, dont read these threads. The way Brighton, Huddersfield and Peterborough are grinding results out (pummeling in Peterborough's case) mean we look like we need to win all our remaining games to be sure of a top 2 finish. Our results might "have been good", but we certainly are not performign like those three teams, and I have (and I am sure I am not alone considering the comments about the Sheff Wed game on here) the sinking feeling that the next "Let's not turn up" game on a par to Walsall or Tranmere, or inability to concentrate for 90mins on a par to Peterborough is just around the corner. I couldnt give a flying f**k what the bookmakers say, and I really dont get why people like you keep quoting odds to justify your own opinions. I know what my team is like and how they perform. Have a bit more respect for the opinions of others or SOD OFF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 16 March, 2011 Share Posted 16 March, 2011 There is when you put the Saints in the equation.Automatic promotion is there for us and it would be good to just keep this run going, but, Saints never ever do things the easy way. Exactly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 16 March, 2011 Share Posted 16 March, 2011 I'm sure b'muff plaf p'boro this weekend....their due a win again soon. Peterborough are away to MK Dons on Monday. They have one game to our two in the next 7 days so, whilst we lose our game in hand over them next week, we have the opportunity to go above them. Edit: that said, we then don't play the next weekend (Postponed Plymouth game) so back to square one! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wild-saint Posted 16 March, 2011 Share Posted 16 March, 2011 looking at all the fixtures of the top 6 teams, I wouldnt have had last nights set of fixtures as the games down as ones that they were likely to lose points. we wont win all our games and neither will they Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Faz Posted 16 March, 2011 Share Posted 16 March, 2011 So, we may not need to win all of our remaining games - but any further slips ie Walsall away - could well make the difference, given that our rivals are not simply going to lay down and make this easy for us. It looks like we are going to have to put in a consistent level of results till the end of the season, wherby anything less than a win is liable to allow others to gain ground. Can they do it ? ( after years of watching saints, whilst rationally I think we will, experience has taught me that if we do, its likely to be the hard way....) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Posted 16 March, 2011 Share Posted 16 March, 2011 does not mean a thing Just depends how we play in the play offs ....so you're saying the quality of the squad has absolutely nothing to do with a teams chances in the Playoffs? Would you be just as confident with MK Dons' squad going into the Playoffs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 16 March, 2011 Share Posted 16 March, 2011 It has nothing to do with the quality of the squads in my opinion it is what happens on the day just because you may think we have the best squad it does not mean we will win the play offs if we are in them. I think in 1976 Man U thought they had a better squad than us but we won the FA Cup. It is how the team how the team handles pressure and fan expectation and events during the games. But I still think there is every chance of us getting promoted automatically but if we dont then the teams that do will deserve it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMike Posted 16 March, 2011 Share Posted 16 March, 2011 I'm sure this thread will attract the usual tedious "wrist slitting" dismissive comments, but it is extremely hard to avoid the basic conclusion that, with the other teams around us achieving such a high level of performance, the only way to guarantee second place is to win all our games. And we badly need to make those games-in-hand count.... I am not sure there are still twists and turns ahead, the end of the season is not that far away. The loss of that 2-goal lead twice at Peterborough, and throwing the Walsall game away unecessarily, are looking huge at the moment... coming from the king of wrist slitting! Of course there will still be twists and turns, no doubt involving us too but I still think we have enough about us to go up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Posted 16 March, 2011 Share Posted 16 March, 2011 It has nothing to do with the quality of the squads in my opinion it is what happens on the day just because you may think we have the best squad it does not mean we will win the play offs if we are in them. I think in 1976 Man U thought they had a better squad than us but we won the FA Cup. Completely agree that anything can happen in a one off game. But if you think about it in terms of probability, surely we have the best chance. Yes we won the cup in '76... but how many FA Cup's have been won by the top 4 teams over the last 20 years say? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West End Saint Posted 16 March, 2011 Share Posted 16 March, 2011 We need the same kind of mentality as Udders Posh & Orient they are on a magnificent run of results we have won 3 on the trot & I feel we are going to have to beat our record of back to back wins if we are going to get 2nd the last 2 seasons we have had a chance to beat that record we need to do it. The sooner we can get into 2nd spot the better we have to turn games in hand into 3 points this promotion race is going to the wire it is going to be exciting for sure with plenty of twists & turns it is in our hands IF we win all our games we cant be stopped I am not saying we will have to win them but it is in our hands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 16 March, 2011 Share Posted 16 March, 2011 the pressure is on and saturday will show if we are up for it. If we have a backlog of games played at the end of the season and then have to play play off games, it may be a bridge too far Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott_saints Posted 16 March, 2011 Share Posted 16 March, 2011 Alpine's a genius. "The only way to guarantee promotion is by winning every game" Well yeah, obviously. Not realistic though is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 16 March, 2011 Share Posted 16 March, 2011 Alpine's a genius. "The only way to guarantee promotion is by winning every game" Well yeah, obviously. Not realistic though is it? Go back to the top and read the name of the poster of the OP. Does it say "alpine_saint" ? No it doesnt, FFS. But he makes the same point. Your post was completely unecessary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom & Gerry Posted 16 March, 2011 Share Posted 16 March, 2011 It will go to the last game of the season, you know it will, it always does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 16 March, 2011 Share Posted 16 March, 2011 It will go to the last game of the season, you know it will, it always does. Hope not unless we're in second place already by then,all 3 sides have easy games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 16 March, 2011 Share Posted 16 March, 2011 People seem to make the same assumptions each season without learning. You think both Huddersfield and Peterborough are going to smash club records and win every single game? Really? They've done very, very well, good luck to them, but we're still in touch and we haven't hit our top form. They'll have their slip ups. I think we all know really that if we deserve to go up, we will. At the moment there are teams that deserve it more, so we have plenty of work to do. Luckily we're well equipped to win most our games. Firstly let's just concentrate on Sheff Wednesday, who will now want to bounce back and try harder for the cameras, so we have a very tough game. Out of interest anyone know when we last won a televised game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott_saints Posted 16 March, 2011 Share Posted 16 March, 2011 Go back to the top and read the name of the poster of the OP. Does it say "alpine_saint" ? No it doesnt, FFS. But he makes the same point. Your post was completely unecessary. It's totally necessary. You made a point, I laughed at it, as I could have done with the OP. However, because you are you, you stand out more so I thought I'd pick on you. Anyway, there is now way on Earth the only way we will get promoted is by winning every game (even if Hudds and Peterborough WEREN'T to play each other) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 16 March, 2011 Share Posted 16 March, 2011 It's totally necessary. You made a point, I laughed at it, as I could have done with the OP. However, because you are you, you stand out more so I thought I'd pick on you. Anyway, there is now way on Earth the only way we will get promoted is by winning every game (even if Hudds and Peterborough WEREN'T to play each other) Right, so you were playing the man, not the ball. Says more about you than me....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
polegategavin Posted 16 March, 2011 Share Posted 16 March, 2011 Out of interest anyone know when we last won a televised game? THE JP Trophy final surely! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 16 March, 2011 Share Posted 16 March, 2011 THE JP Trophy final surely! Ah yes forgot that was on TV, and other than that ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rolosfc Posted 16 March, 2011 Share Posted 16 March, 2011 Last nights games haven't made any difference, just we have one more game in hand now. Hudders and Peterboro have to play each other and will also definitely drop other points along the way, as will we. Not many games ago we thought we had blown it by losing away at Walsall, but we responded with 3 great wins. That is the nature of this league and football in general and will continue until the end of the season, but I am confident we have enough to get 2nd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott_saints Posted 16 March, 2011 Share Posted 16 March, 2011 Right, so you were playing the man, not the ball. Says more about you than me....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintscottofthenortham Posted 16 March, 2011 Share Posted 16 March, 2011 Wednesday are on a shocking run and last nights result was on the cards a mile off. P'boro have some extremely hard fixtures to come and points will be dropped, I'm totally confident of that. Hudders were doing this well at this stage of last season, yet they totally flapped it and ended up in playoffs, where yet again they bottled it completely. We just have to hope for more of the same from them. I'm confident that if we continue to average just over 2 points per game, which we have do e since NA came into the building, then we will end up claiming that all important 2nd spot. And at the end of the day, if P'boro manage to carry on as they have through there extremely tough run in, then hats off to them and they will fully deserve 2nd spot. Hudders, I really am not too concerned about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 16 March, 2011 Share Posted 16 March, 2011 Wednesday are on a shocking run and last nights result was on the cards a mile off. P'boro have some extremely hard fixtures to come and points will be dropped, I'm totally confident of that. Hudders were doing this well at this stage of last season, yet they totally flapped it and ended up in playoffs, where yet again they bottled it completely. We just have to hope for more of the same from them. I'm confident that if we continue to average just over 2 points per game, which we have do e since NA came into the building, then we will end up claiming that all important 2nd spot. And at the end of the day, if P'boro manage to carry on as they have through there extremely tough run in, then hats off to them and they will fully deserve 2nd spot. Hudders, I really am not too concerned about. Will you be so philosophical about it if we miss 2nd to Peterborough by 2 points or less (the difference that avoiding conceeding 2 goals against them -twice) would have caused ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintscottofthenortham Posted 16 March, 2011 Share Posted 16 March, 2011 Will you be so philosophical about it if we miss 2nd to Peterborough by 2 points or less (the difference that avoiding conceeding 2 goals against them -twice) would have caused ? I'd be gutted. Just as you and every other Southampton fan would be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Without a Halo Posted 16 March, 2011 Share Posted 16 March, 2011 Control the controllables, and let everyone else worry about us. Nothing has changed with tonghts results. Stop panicking Mr Mainwairing. Were dooooomed, were doooooomed says Fraser Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry the Badger Posted 16 March, 2011 Share Posted 16 March, 2011 My head says don't be ridiculous we will not need to win every game. My paranoid side cannot see where Peterborough are going to drop points. They will drop points, they will drop points, they will drop points... Nope. Not working. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 16 March, 2011 Share Posted 16 March, 2011 It never seems to help us. I don't think people make enough of it on here, it's always sack a manager, buy a new team, sign this player get rid of that one. But all we tend to see is teams with far fewer resources outperform us. I know Leeds found it tough because every team playing them treated it like a huge game and raised their performance. Add TV cameras and they raise it a bit more. Even Fulham all those years ago in L1 with the big spending struggled initially as everyone wanted to beat them. We went out and signed a league 1 allstars effectively, so I'm not surprised teams raise it and want to put us in our place. We've had some dodgy performances of course, but we've also had a lot of teams playing out of their skin against us. A lot of our players aren't used to winning things, they're lower league players, so obviously a history of success and dealing with expectation isn't there. Take Lambert, good player, scored for fun for a few seasons, but this was the first season he started at a club expected to win the league. Throw in all the off the field changes and I think we've done fairly well. Why lose sleep over other teams performance? Nothing we can do about it. Saying 'we should have signed player X' just because they do well for a rival doesn't help, we can't sign the best players of every rival. Sooner or later we'll have to lay off and actually give it some time and patience. Besides the TV and game raising problem, look at our stadium and pitch. Most teams enjoy visiting, yet we've got a good home record. Then look at Brightons. I'm not surprised theirs is so good, I can't think of any team wanting to play there. It's a horrible experience for players and fans, but they're the only team used to it, so they win game after game. All very sensible. OK, so it's a pain having these games in hand, but psychologically it can be turned to our advantage if we start to win them. We know that if we do win them, then there is nothing that those teams above us can do about it. Earlier on in the season, there were those posters who stated that we wouldn't go up this season because of the departure of Pardew, the poor results before he went and the poor results by Wilkins, until Adkins' arrival. Well, I hope that those same posters recognise that although our situation currently is difficult, we have it in our own hands to go up automatically. I recall at the time pointing out that the season was a marathon, not a sprint. I understand that one of Adkins' strengths is a knowledge of motivational and psychology skills, so the analogy he needs to impress on the players is that they are on the last lap of the race, on the final bend and on the shoulders of the leading pack of four. One runner has shot ahead, but might yet tire and be caught. The other three are there for the taking and their resolve might crumble if we put in a strong finish in the final straight. We already surged ahead of Bournemouth, so our mental attitude should be good for the games ahead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingsbridge Saint Posted 16 March, 2011 Share Posted 16 March, 2011 If we win all our remaining games and so do Posh, Brighton will be in trouble. On current form against the others going for auto we are headed for the play offs. We had a **** start to the season and the payback time is now - no more slip ups. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 16 March, 2011 Share Posted 16 March, 2011 Surely losing to Walsall made more difference? Or IMO, losing to Plymouth at SMS, the worst result of all. Taking 4 points of Peterborough is good. Really? We were much worse against Rochdale and Brentford at SMS. Taking four points of Posh would have been good had we not lead them twice by two goals at their place those two extra points would have been mighty useful about now. Still you can't really pin it on anyone game if we don't go up it will be becuase we failed to perform to many times this season, not just anyone match in particular. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Shearer Posted 16 March, 2011 Share Posted 16 March, 2011 Did the predictor - had Saints down for 7 more wins. Need a couple of draws in there too but I see second place being around the 85 points mark, which is high. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 16 March, 2011 Share Posted 16 March, 2011 All very sensible. OK, so it's a pain having these games in hand, but psychologically it can be turned to our advantage if we start to win them. We know that if we do win them, then there is nothing that those teams above us can do about it. Earlier on in the season, there were those posters who stated that we wouldn't go up this season because of the departure of Pardew, the poor results before he went and the poor results by Wilkins, until Adkins' arrival. Well, I hope that those same posters recognise that although our situation currently is difficult, we have it in our own hands to go up automatically. I recall at the time pointing out that the season was a marathon, not a sprint. I understand that one of Adkins' strengths is a knowledge of motivational and psychology skills, so the analogy he needs to impress on the players is that they are on the last lap of the race, on the final bend and on the shoulders of the leading pack of four. One runner has shot ahead, but might yet tire and be caught. The other three are there for the taking and their resolve might crumble if we put in a strong finish in the final straight. We already surged ahead of Bournemouth, so our mental attitude should be good for the games ahead. Will that be the shouting at half time he employed last saturday? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintant Posted 16 March, 2011 Share Posted 16 March, 2011 Anyone who thinks we will need to win all our remaining games to secure a top two spot is living in cloud cuckoo land. Peterboro and Huddersfield play each other and also both will have other set backs along the way. For either of these two teams to win all their remaining fixtures would be a miracle - it's not going to happen. We need to keep our heads and take one game at a time. I'm sure Adkins is sensible enough to realise this and that he'll be impressing this on the players. Start to heap unnecessary pressure on ourselves and it will go pear-shaped so a bit of perspective is what's required. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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