patred44 Posted 27 June, 2011 Share Posted 27 June, 2011 (edited) If we are to compete... next season will be too late http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/10062011/58/championship-league-adopts-uefa-finance-rules.html If we have any money to invest in the squad, now is the time. This new ruling will stop us flexing our financial muscle next season. Unless of course you think our squad is good enough to get us to the Premiership. Next season (2012-13) the relegated Premier sides will have increased parachute payments that will give them an even bigger advantage. Edited 27 June, 2011 by patred44 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 27 June, 2011 Share Posted 27 June, 2011 You would hope so. If we don't get anyone this week then it could become a problem for gelling as a team etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy_D Posted 27 June, 2011 Share Posted 27 June, 2011 Or alternatively, all the other clubs that have been outspending us beyond their means won't be able to any more and we'll have a better shot of attracting players with our excellent facilities and being able to afford bigger wages than most in this division. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 27 June, 2011 Share Posted 27 June, 2011 You would hope so. If we don't get anyone this week then it could become a problem for gelling as a team etc. I think the next 2 or 3 weeks are going to tell us an awful lot about next season's prospects and ultimately our longer-term future. I have and still maintain that we need at least 4 or 5 new players in if we are to compete at the top end of the table; I think the current squad would do well to finish in the top half. As I see it we need a quality replacement for Jaidi, at least one maybe two central midfielders, a centre forward with pace and who can be relied upon for 20 goals, plus a decent attacking right back (what I've seen of Butterfield and Richardson is lower to mid table quality at best). I accept the reasons why we haven't brought anyone in yet, but we're now at the point where players are back from holidays and signings start happening, so I'm hoping to see some from us pretty soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 27 June, 2011 Share Posted 27 June, 2011 Maybe the "will" to spend is not what is was? If we are serious about going up it is going to take more than just a few bob. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmysaint7 Posted 27 June, 2011 Share Posted 27 June, 2011 Yes your right if we have not spent our whole transfer budget tonight the season is over already :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beavis17 Posted 27 June, 2011 Share Posted 27 June, 2011 The next week and a half will probably determine our intentions for this season. If the rumours about the wage offered to Cork and the fee for Sharp are true then we have nothing to worry about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 27 June, 2011 Share Posted 27 June, 2011 Drama. Queens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 27 June, 2011 Share Posted 27 June, 2011 (edited) really hard question, which none of us can accurately answer, is how the current team will make the transition. Clearly the league is harder, although you could argue that playing bigger teams, playing decent football on decent pitches also has its benefits after our season of cup finals. But how good will Barnard, Guly, Lambert, Lallana, Ox-C, Morgan be for example do? They could be every bit as good as the established championship players some are desperate to sign - or they could be found wanting. The way we cruised the second half of the season - a season with injuries to Lambert, Lallana, Morgan, Guly, Ox-C and Barnard may make it harder for Adkins to justify spending - are these potential signings clearly better than what we have, good enough to break up the team and relegate squad players? Edited 27 June, 2011 by NickG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joesaint Posted 27 June, 2011 Share Posted 27 June, 2011 I actually only think we need one or two players, we have got some quality players that we seem to be holding on to which is a massive boost. COYS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 27 June, 2011 Share Posted 27 June, 2011 Maybe the "will" to spend is not what is was? If we are serious about going up it is going to take more than just a few bob. You arent allowed to express that opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Singeon Sears Posted 27 June, 2011 Share Posted 27 June, 2011 Having seen what Norwich did last season I am at a loss to work out how well our current squad will do. That said, on the assumption that at least the top end of the league will be strong, my thinking now is 3-4 players needed, at least 3 of which should be first team starter material. Probably the spine of team would be my preferred area to strengthen - central defence, central midfield, centre forward. Possibly a winger as the 4th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Block 5 Posted 27 June, 2011 Share Posted 27 June, 2011 Word on the street is that Cortese will not be spending anything on transfers this season but has decided to spunk the lot on hookers and coke. He will be inviting 6 lucky ST holders to join in the fun. I've got my invite, have you had yours? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 27 June, 2011 Share Posted 27 June, 2011 Having seen what Norwich did last season I am at a loss to work out how well our current squad will do. That said, on the assumption that at least the top end of the league will be strong, my thinking now is 3-4 players needed, at least 3 of which should be first team starter material. Probably the spine of team would be my preferred area to strengthen - central defence, central midfield, centre forward. Possibly a winger as the 4th. Norwich have raised expectations - and did it without the sort of signings people are saying are needed on here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 27 June, 2011 Share Posted 27 June, 2011 If we are to compete... next season will be too late http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/10062011/58/championship-league-adopts-uefa-finance-rules.html If we have any money to invest in the squad, now is the time. This new ruling will stop us flexing our financial muscle next season. Unless of course you think our squad is good enough to get us to the Premiership. Next season (2012-13) the relegated Premier sides will have increased parachute payments that will give them an even bigger advantage. The UEFA rules allow for investment of up to £40m over a 3 year period from the owners as long as it is turned into equity. The Football League financial rules will see something similar to this (though perhaps not as large and is still to be decided). The UEFA and Football League financial rules also have spending on stadiums, training grounds and academies exempt from counting towards the figure to break even. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 27 June, 2011 Share Posted 27 June, 2011 The UEFA rules allow for investment of up to £40m over a 3 year period from the owners as long as it is turned into equity. The Football League financial rules will see something similar to this (though perhaps not as large and is still to be decided). The UEFA and Football League financial rules also have spending on stadiums, training grounds and academies exempt from counting towards the figure to break even. No one cares about the training ground ad stadium on this thread. Please stay on topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 27 June, 2011 Share Posted 27 June, 2011 Maybe the "will" to spend is not what is was? If we are serious about going up it is going to take more than just a few bob. waiting for the AOC money? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 27 June, 2011 Share Posted 27 June, 2011 Norwich have raised expectations - and did it without the sort of signings people are saying are needed on here In a division which was much easier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNSUN Posted 27 June, 2011 Share Posted 27 June, 2011 I like the squad as it is, and if we sign anyone I'm going to throw a massive girly hissy fit and shove my season ticket up Cortese's bum hole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 27 June, 2011 Share Posted 27 June, 2011 I like the squad as it is, and if we sign anyone I'm going to throw a massive girly hissy fit and shove my season ticket up Cortese's bum hole. all the 60 to 65 have beaten you to it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Singeon Sears Posted 27 June, 2011 Share Posted 27 June, 2011 Norwich have raised expectations - and did it without the sort of signings people are saying are needed on here Yes they have but I am not clear how they managed it given its meant to be such a tough league - maybe it isn't quite so tough. I assume our taget is top 6 next season and if it is my guess is we are not strong enough to complete with the current squad to achieve that. I am certainly not in any sort of panic over lack of signings just yet, the problem is we get linked with players like Danns then when they go elsewhere we think we have failed, yet there was never any proof we were actually interested in him as far as I can tell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 27 June, 2011 Share Posted 27 June, 2011 No one cares about the training ground ad stadium on this thread. Please stay on topic. It is on topic, the rules mentioned in the opening post allow any benefactor to spend as much as they want on infrastructure (which boost revenue streams allowing for more to be spent), and may also allow owners inject money in the form of equity into the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 27 June, 2011 Share Posted 27 June, 2011 Next season (2012-13) the relegated Premier sides will have increased parachute payments that will give them an even bigger advantage. Parachute payments in 2012/13 aren't any different from those that Burnley, Pompey and Hull got. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 27 June, 2011 Share Posted 27 June, 2011 Yes they have but I am not clear how they managed it given its meant to be such a tough league - maybe it isn't quite so tough. I assume our taget is top 6 next season and if it is my guess is we are not strong enough to complete with the current squad to achieve that. I am certainly not in any sort of panic over lack of signings just yet, the problem is we get linked with players like Danns then when they go elsewhere we think we have failed, yet there was never any proof we were actually interested in him as far as I can tell. Erm it's a load tougher this year than last. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 27 June, 2011 Share Posted 27 June, 2011 this is potentially the hardest NPC for a few years... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Professor Posted 27 June, 2011 Share Posted 27 June, 2011 Cortese's stated aim of not just getting to The Prem and being a bottom half or yo-yo club, but becoming a top 6 force raised expectations. Maybe it was never more than an aspiration because to achieve what NC said he intended would mean a transformation of the club. Whether or not there is any strengthening of the squad this close season, its looking too late for it to be transformational for the coming year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 27 June, 2011 Share Posted 27 June, 2011 Norwich strengthened considerably, striker, centre back, midfield, for a start and if we are to compete we need to do the same. Apart from two or three this squad lacks pace and in the higher division we will be found out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 27 June, 2011 Share Posted 27 June, 2011 Its looking too late for it to be transformational for the coming year. There are over eight weeks left of the transfer window. Five weeks until the season starts. Heck, pre-season isn't even starting for another two days! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 27 June, 2011 Share Posted 27 June, 2011 I think we need to calm down a bit. We've got some serious hysterical farts as fans. We will have lots of targets, some that haven't even been speculated about. We will make signings and they will improve the team, as we have done in the past 2 seasons. It doesn't need to be done tommorow, or by 8pm tonight. It's about getting the right players to fit into the pretty tight group we have at the moment. Gelling will not even come into the equation as we will not be buying a new team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Puddings and Monkeys Posted 27 June, 2011 Share Posted 27 June, 2011 Up at the Rose Bowl NA said we were looking to strengthen the spine of the team; I'm sure that's what we are trying to do so stop throwing hissy fits each time a day passes without us signing someone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMike Posted 27 June, 2011 Share Posted 27 June, 2011 No one cares about the training ground ad stadium on this thread. Please stay on topic. it was on topic, you mod wannabe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 27 June, 2011 Share Posted 27 June, 2011 waiting for the AOC money? Mike, it would be sensible to buy before the clubs became aware that we were suddenly richer by about £10m. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 27 June, 2011 Share Posted 27 June, 2011 I think we need to calm down a bit. We've got some serious hysterical farts as fans. We will have lots of targets, some that haven't even been speculated about. We will make signings and they will improve the team, as we have done in the past 2 seasons. It doesn't need to be done tommorow, or by 8pm tonight. It's about getting the right players to fit into the pretty tight group we have at the moment. Gelling will not even come into the equation as we will not be buying a new team. I don't think anyone is getting hysterical - merely observing that clubs who are being touted as promotion candidates have started spending money on players we have been rumoured to be interested in. There is surely sense in making signings in time for pre-season training, so the players have more time to gel. The fact we haven't is provoking debate which has been pretty sensible until you sarcastically dived in with your hysteria jibe and your rather ridiculous presumption that "we will make signings". Or perhaps you know something we don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 27 June, 2011 Share Posted 27 June, 2011 Year after years it's like some of you wipe your memories and talk like you've never seen a season of football before. All sensible comments and expectations gone in june. Is it just boredom? Surely this forum can't be that pathetic? Relegation or promotion it's the same tired, cliched, impatient moaning every damn summer. Please just go on holiday. + 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 27 June, 2011 Share Posted 27 June, 2011 I don't think anyone is getting hysterical - merely observing that clubs who are being touted as promotion candidates have started spending money on players we have been rumoured to be interested in. There is surely sense in making signings in time for pre-season training, so the players have more time to gel. The fact we haven't is provoking debate which has been pretty sensible until you sarcastically dived in with your hysteria jibe and your rather ridiculous presumption that "we will make signings". Or perhaps you know something we don't. I've read some serious OTT comments on here over the last few days, we're destined for relegation if we don't sign anyone soon, we're being left behind...etc etc. We really shouldn't be comparing ourselves to Promotion candidates yet though, we've just got ourselves into this league. And we will make signings, anyone who thinks otherwise is being a bit silly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 27 June, 2011 Share Posted 27 June, 2011 has there been a summer when we have not signed anyone....? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 27 June, 2011 Share Posted 27 June, 2011 has there been a summer when we have not signed anyone....? Not in my recent memory, even when we were skint we managed 1.2m on Morgan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 27 June, 2011 Share Posted 27 June, 2011 In a division which was much easier. based on what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 27 June, 2011 Share Posted 27 June, 2011 Yes they have but I am not clear how they managed it given its meant to be such a tough league - maybe it isn't quite so tough. I assume our taget is top 6 next season and if it is my guess is we are not strong enough to complete with the current squad to achieve that. I am certainly not in any sort of panic over lack of signings just yet, the problem is we get linked with players like Danns then when they go elsewhere we think we have failed, yet there was never any proof we were actually interested in him as far as I can tell. they did it without "stars" finishing well above the teams with Danns, Maynard etc, by being well managed and a good team and coming up with momentum (admittedly they didn't finish their league 1 campaign as well as we did ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mancsaint Posted 27 June, 2011 Share Posted 27 June, 2011 I reckon nothing will happen or be announced until 1st July when the window officially opens. It's possible we've already signed people but NC has asked them to be quiet about it. You know how tight lipped NC is, even he, I think, knows the squad needs strengthening. KEEP THE FAITH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 27 June, 2011 Share Posted 27 June, 2011 based on what? tbf, the teams coming down last year were utter tosh. Portsmouth were a mess, had no team and no money and were never going to be a threat. Burnley had a rubbish manager in charge and weren't very strong anyway. Hull were financially messed up and struggled to get anyone in. The teams coming down this year already have established premiership squads and seem to have the means to add to it. The weakest of the relegated squads is probably Blackpool, but with holloway in charge they'll still be a tough team to play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 27 June, 2011 Share Posted 27 June, 2011 based on what? A myriad of reasons which I expect you know and as I am on my phone I cannot be bothered to type out. I expect if you asked npc fans, the majority would tell you that they believe this season will be harder than the last. Look on football forums to see that if you don't believe me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 27 June, 2011 Share Posted 27 June, 2011 We definitely need to strengthen. The worst enemy could be complacency. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 27 June, 2011 Share Posted 27 June, 2011 reckon it probably will be harder. Norwich got auto without signing any 'stars' or spending much. This is football, not fantasy football - more to it than being linked to every player going - and I do wonder if some are giving some of our existing players a disservice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 27 June, 2011 Share Posted 27 June, 2011 We need 6 or 7 good signings to push on into being a solid top 6 championship club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Billy Posted 27 June, 2011 Share Posted 27 June, 2011 Talk Sport this morning said that the Oxo deal with Arsenal is a done deal, if this is the case perhaps NC is waiting to use the funds from that sell which is worrying because NC said we would not sell Oxo, plus it also suggest's that there are no other funds apart from those raised by selling players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Diamond Posted 27 June, 2011 Share Posted 27 June, 2011 I would like to think we'll see a signing announced next week. That'd be nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Without a Halo Posted 27 June, 2011 Share Posted 27 June, 2011 Parachute payments in 2012/13 aren't any different from those that Burnley, Pompey and Hull got. Parachute payments will come down once the sky contract is finished as it is expected to be renewed at much less than the last one! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Billy Posted 27 June, 2011 Share Posted 27 June, 2011 tbf, the teams coming down last year were utter tosh. Portsmouth were a mess, had no team and no money and were never going to be a threat. Burnley had a rubbish manager in charge and weren't very strong anyway. Hull were financially messed up and struggled to get anyone in. The teams coming down this year already have established premiership squads and seem to have the means to add to it. The weakest of the relegated squads is probably Blackpool, but with holloway in charge they'll still be a tough team to play. Rumoured that Shelby is being loaned to Blackpool by Liverpool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 27 June, 2011 Share Posted 27 June, 2011 Anyone would think wed jumped 5 leagues!? This ain't that great a league, teams from league 1 have coped very well without big spending! Swansea were promoted in 2008 now in prem, Leicester last year made the play offs after promotion and Norwich again strolled it!! Leeds and millwall coped fairly easily too....... It's not that tough Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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