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Is he? I woke up in a cold sweat in the early hours thinking he was only a loanee.

 

Do we still got that Brazilian or does our Nige need to get the Lady Shave out and gives us another one?

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Kept Guly, released Pulis. I think Adkins made the right decision imo.

 

Put in that context, I too am pleased we kept Guly.

 

Otherwise, not convinced. Hope he proves as worthy as many hope.

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Put in that context, I too am pleased we kept Guly.

 

Otherwise, not convinced. Hope he proves as worthy as many hope.

 

sorry, did you follow Saints last season???

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sorry, did you follow Saints last season???

 

Yes - and for the last forty odd years as well.I saw him fall over too often, and sky the ball wide when well placed as often as - probably more than - he produced a moment of sublime brilliance.Bristol Rovers at home as prime example.

 

Conclusion is that I don't think he can be relied upon to regularly deliver the goods, over a season. Delighted if he proves otherwise.

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Agree. We have not had a good perm in the team since KK.

 

like I said in another fred, will u please stop referring to KK as KK.

 

The young'uns have no idea to what, which or whom you refer.

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Yes - and for the last forty odd years as well.I saw him fall over too often, and sky the ball wide when well placed as often as - probably more than - he produced a moment of sublime brilliance.Bristol Rovers at home as prime example.

 

Conclusion is that I don't think he can be relied upon to regularly deliver the goods, over a season. Delighted if he proves otherwise.

 

Guly, pure class. End of. Will do us proud this season. Mark my words or make me eat them.

 

'specially with Cork's fancy footwork and quick passing....

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Guly, pure class. End of. Will do us proud this season. Mark my words or make me eat them.

 

'specially with Cork's fancy footwork and quick passing....

 

Not wishing to pick an argument with you here and I really hope you are right, but I don't think he is "pure class". Xavi is "pure class" because he performs at the same high level throughout a game,and a season; MLT was "pure class " for a number of years for regular moments of genius. Guly on the other hand is a passenger for much of a match,and providing we stay in the game - courtesy of the other 10- he might produce something exceptional later on to win it.As I said earlier I don't think he can be relied upon to do it often enough.Hope I am proven wrong.

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Not wishing to pick an argument with you here and I really hope you are right, but I don't think he is "pure class". Xavi is "pure class" because he performs at the same high level throughout a game,and a season; MLT was "pure class " for a number of years for regular moments of genius. Guly on the other hand is a passenger for much of a match,and providing we stay in the game - courtesy of the other 10- he might produce something exceptional later on to win it.As I said earlier I don't think he can be relied upon to do it often enough.Hope I am proven wrong.

 

Xavi would not be pure class in a league below the one he is currently in. Nor would L. Messi.

 

Lest we forget - and we forget too often - snazzy footballers can ponce around all they darn well want but with out the other 10 men they are useless. It is a team sport.

 

Put Xavi in Toton's side, Eastleigh's side or Lewes' Side and no doubt he will do some fancy crap with the ball but other than selling out the stands he won't do much else.

 

I contend.

 

Put Guly, with his obvious skills and well-proven ability and work ethic into a squad with a dynamic midfield and pro-active defense which distributes the ball well and he is, and will be world class.

 

... Time will tell.

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Didn't Guly get 11 goals from midfield last season? Not sure what more he needs to do to win people over.

 

and 6 assists in 27 starts - scored / assist 15 in 27.

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Xavi would not be pure class in a league below the one he is currently in. Nor would L. Messi.Lest we forget - and we forget too often - snazzy footballers can ponce around all they darn well want but with out the other 10 men they are useless. It is a team sport.

 

Put Xavi in Toton's side, Eastleigh's side or Lewes' Side and no doubt he will do some fancy crap with the ball but other than selling out the stands he won't do much else.

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THis post is the biggest load of absolute ****** i have ever read. messi and xavi wouldnt be class in a lower league. straight jacket for this man please as he is clearly deluded.

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Xavi would not be pure class in a league below the one he is currently in. Nor would L. Messi.Lest we forget - and we forget too often - snazzy footballers can ponce around all they darn well want but with out the other 10 men they are useless. It is a team sport.

 

Put Xavi in Toton's side, Eastleigh's side or Lewes' Side and no doubt he will do some fancy crap with the ball but other than selling out the stands he won't do much else.

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THis post is the biggest load of absolute ****** i have ever read. messi and xavi wouldnt be class in a lower league. straight jacket for this man please as he is clearly deluded.

 

A player's impact on a game is influenced by the player's around him. If his vision and reading of the game is light years ahead of his

team-mate's then whatever he does apart from the odd individual action will be negated by the insufficience of others. Now you could have a team of 10 Messis and a **** keeper and the result would always be the same.A bad coach/manager can completely stifle decent players by bridling their individual talent with half baked team actions.

 

I am impatient to see how we get on next season because although I agree perfectly that our manager did a great job last season,

success in the Championship is new ground for him.No doubt all will be well though.

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I think it is quite plausible to believe that Guly will flourish in the NPC.

 

He will find that having that extra few seconds on the ball will give hime time to let his natural footballing skills to rise to the top.

 

I think this could be said reference many of our players.

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I think it is quite plausible to believe that Guly will flourish in the NPC.

 

He will find that having that extra few seconds on the ball will give hime time to let his natural footballing skills to rise to the top.

 

I think this could be said reference many of our players.

 

 

I expect him to flourish next season IF he is given the chance.

As long as the manager recognises his ability and is able to harness it with suitable tactics

all will be well.

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A player's impact on a game is influenced by the player's around him. If his vision and reading of the game is light years ahead of his

team-mate's then whatever he does apart from the odd individual action will be negated by the insufficience of others. Now you could have a team of 10 Messis and a **** keeper and the result would always be the same.A bad coach/manager can completely stifle decent players by bridling their individual talent with half baked team actions.

 

I am impatient to see how we get on next season because although I agree perfectly that our manager did a great job last season,

success in the Championship is new ground for him.No doubt all will be well though.

 

Look back at the Napoli side that Maradonna played in. It is widely accepted that he was a true great in a very poor team and he won them the italian league.

 

I agree talent can be stifled but any manager that is worth his salt that had messi in his side would play to hsi strengths and he would therefore shine.

 

I do not buy anyone that trys to tell me a world class player would look anything but world class in a side that was shyte and was also playing against shyte. A world class player buy definition would have the ability to adjust his play to take into account the fact that his team mates would be slower in thought and poorer in talent.

 

Remember MLT shone in a side that was very very poor in comparison to those we played in week in week out.

 

Drop messi into our side for this season (a side that is fresh from the old 3rd division) and you really think he wouldnt shine like a beacon in our side.Please!

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I agree messi etc would not look as good in lower leagues but only because of the less amount of time they would have on the ball but they still would look very good and top class messi xavi etc would have a impact on the game just not a massive one every week he would be like a Nani who of which is still a class player.

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A player's impact on a game is influenced by the player's around him. If his vision and reading of the game is light years ahead of his

team-mate's then whatever he does apart from the odd individual action will be negated by the insufficience of others. Now you could have a team of 10 Messis and a **** keeper and the result would always be the same.A bad coach/manager can completely stifle decent players by bridling their individual talent with half baked team actions.

 

I am impatient to see how we get on next season because although I agree perfectly that our manager did a great job last season,

success in the Championship is new ground for him.No doubt all will be well though.

 

Your obviously too young to remember Maradona and the Argentina side in '86

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I agree messi etc would not look as good in lower leagues but only because of the less amount of time they would have on the ball but they still would look very good and top class messi xavi etc would have a impact on the game just not a massive one every week he would be like a Nani who of which is still a class player.

 

I can't believe I'm actually replying to the insanity of all this, but there we go. In this league Messi would have far more time on the ball; simply because defenders wouldn't be able to get as close to him. He'd absolutely run riot; the suggestion that he wouldn't because it's a lower league is just laughable.

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Your obviously too young to remember Maradona and the Argentina side in '86

 

And look a bit closer to home, our very own MLT was head and shoulders above the players around him and scored 20 odd goals a season from midfield whilst playing alongside footballing greats like David Lee and Craig Maskell. His contribution was slightly more than "the odd individual action negated by the insufficences of others"

 

On another note, why do people assume players will thrive and get more time on the ball in the league above the one we have just played in? Defenders at this level are better. Better tacklers, better headers, better markers, quicker etc, thats why they are playing a better standard of football. Quite why people are assuming all our attackers are going to find it so much easier next season is beyond me.

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I can't believe I'm actually replying to the insanity of all this, but there we go. In this league Messi would have far more time on the ball; simply because defenders wouldn't be able to get as close to him. He'd absolutely run riot; the suggestion that he wouldn't because it's a lower league is just laughable.

 

You are forgetting that this is the forum which said Lambert should play for England and was better than Fernando Torres only 12 months ago.

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Quite why people are assuming all our attackers are going to find it so much easier next season is beyond me.

 

 

Exactly ;at the next level only superior ability will count.This is why I just cannot understand why people continue to believe that Lambert and Barnard will be effective.Guly at least has some sort of technical baggage to help him, the others are all huff and puff.

 

Lambert reliance may cause us serious problems in the NPC, we need another goalscorer proven at that level because we ain't going to get a shedload of penalties to boost his goal count next time round.We need a 20 goal striker and Guly to front our attack.

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Exactly ;at the next level only superior ability will count.This is why I just cannot understand why people continue to believe that Lambert and Barnard will be effective.Guly at least has some sort of technical baggage to help him, the others are all huff and puff.

 

Lambert reliance may cause us serious problems in the NPC, we need another goalscorer proven at that level because we ain't going to get a shedload of penalties to boost his goal count next time round.We need a 20 goal striker and Guly to front our attack.

 

Lambert is a very good techncal player. With people supporting him, he'll be class. It's much more than his size that makes him such an important part of our team. To say we're relient solely on him for goals is ludicrous - Barnard scored 15, Guly and Lallana scored 11, Chamberlain scored 10, even Fonte and Chaplow must have got 7 or 8 each.

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I can't believe I'm actually replying to the insanity of all this, but there we go. In this league Messi would have far more time on the ball; simply because defenders wouldn't be able to get as close to him. He'd absolutely run riot; the suggestion that he wouldn't because it's a lower league is just laughable.

 

I can't believe anyone actually took 1976_Childs comments about Messi etc seriously! :lol:

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Blimy, check out the Guly fan club thread.

 

I remember when Saganowski looked 'pure class', then we gave him a contract. I also remember when Puncheon had an awesome bit of form. Just sayin'.

 

Guly took a bit of time to get used to English football and he hit some good form in the second half of last season. He's a good player to have but I wouldn't go as far as to name him the new messiah just yet!

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Not wishing to pick an argument with you here and I really hope you are right, but I don't think he is "pure class". Xavi is "pure class" because he performs at the same high level throughout a game,and a season; MLT was "pure class " for a number of years for regular moments of genius. Guly on the other hand is a passenger for much of a match,and providing we stay in the game - courtesy of the other 10- he might produce something exceptional later on to win it.As I said earlier I don't think he can be relied upon to do it often enough.Hope I am proven wrong.

 

I disagree strongly.

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Exactly ;at the next level only superior ability will count.This is why I just cannot understand why people continue to believe that Lambert and Barnard will be effective.Guly at least has some sort of technical baggage to help him, the others are all huff and puff.

 

Lambert reliance may cause us serious problems in the NPC, we need another goalscorer proven at that level because we ain't going to get a shedload of penalties to boost his goal count next time round.We need a 20 goal striker and Guly to front our attack.

 

Now I can't have that - Lambert has excellent technique. He strikes the ball really well. Quite agree about Barnard though

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You are forgetting that this is the forum which said Lambert should play for England and was better than Fernando Torres only 12 months ago.

 

The way Torres is going down hill at a rate of knots.....Our Rikeeee is not far off being part of the exchange deal that brings Fernando to St Marys....;)

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you are forgetting that this is the forum which said lambert should play for england and was better than fernando torres only 12 months ago.

 

we mocked, maybe they knew he would only get 10 goals last season!

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Yes - and for the last forty odd years as well.I saw him fall over too often, and sky the ball wide when well placed as often as - probably more than - he produced a moment of sublime brilliance.Bristol Rovers at home as prime example.

 

Conclusion is that I don't think he can be relied upon to regularly deliver the goods, over a season. Delighted if he proves otherwise.

 

Hooray I have found at least one of the numpties who sometimes sit behind me spouting complete and utter cobblers about Saints and their players............. And then whilst discussing good old Archie Beadle ( you know him who went out with Flossie Arbothnot at school way back when) and his Bunions, misses half the action on the pitch!!!!!!!!

 

Just the Bristol Rovers goal........ that was it????!!!!!!! I rest my case.

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and 6 assists in 27 starts - scored / assist 15 in 27.

 

He is the type of "impact "player we need as back-up / on the bench ..who can come on and change a game (like Connolly).

He hasn't had an extended run, but it does seem like he knows his stuff and comes good when needed.

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Now I can't have that - Lambert has excellent technique. He strikes the ball really well. Quite agree about Barnard though

 

I don't think anyone is disputing that, but at times he is more like a one-man attack force and, as predecessors (Ron Davies a good example) a lot of " extra attention" from defenders. Guly strikes me as an unpredicatble, and somewhat inspirational player.

 

I don't see Guly as a 20 goal-a-season striker, but VERY useful in emergencies.

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