Dig Dig Posted 29 November, 2012 Share Posted 29 November, 2012 Been brilliant since he came in and already so much better than Fox ever has been or will be and actually plays like a very good fullback when defending and going forwards. Would still like to see another LB come in Jan as it's clear he's going to struggle physically (hasn't he been subbed every game for cramp so far?) but glad we didn't waste the 4M or whatever it was on Buttner in the summer. The best thing we can offer the lad at the moment is game time in the prem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 29 November, 2012 Share Posted 29 November, 2012 Agree he really looks superb. We need to get him tied down to a long contract like with JWP. Certainly doesn't look like Buttner was much of a miss. If he does need to come off while he adjusts to the pace of the Prem then FOx is capable for 10mins per game but I felt sorry for Reeves having to come on with so little Prem experience and not in his current position that he plays for the U21s. Shaw is definitely ready to be a regular. We have two really good young fullbacks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 29 November, 2012 Share Posted 29 November, 2012 Been brilliant since he came in and already so much better than Fox ever has been or will be and actually plays like a very good fullback when defending and going forwards. Would still like to see another LB come in Jan as it's clear he's going to struggle physically (hasn't he been subbed every game for cramp so far?) but glad we didn't waste the 4M or whatever it was on Buttner in the summer. The best thing we can offer the lad at the moment is game time in the prem. I'm not going to comment on Buttner specifically as I've not seen enough of him to comment. But I don't really like the idea of being dependent upon a recently turned 17 year old in such a vital position. He will naturally have highs and lows in terms of performance, his fitness is currently an issue, and at such a young age he's perhaps more succeptible to injury (see Chamberlain in his full season with us). Foz has shown that he's not really an option, and it s difficult line to tread in that if we signed someone good it would block Shaw's progress. But a second left bacl still has much of a part to play for us this season. Saying that, I don't think Fox was quite as bad as some make out and he was seriously let down at times by Lallana's lack of defensive nous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 29 November, 2012 Author Share Posted 29 November, 2012 I'm not going to comment on Buttner specifically as I've not seen enough of him to comment. But I don't really like the idea of being dependent upon a recently turned 17 year old in such a vital position. He will naturally have highs and lows in terms of performance, his fitness is currently an issue, and at such a young age he's perhaps more succeptible to injury (see Chamberlain in his full season with us). Foz has shown that he's not really an option, and it s difficult line to tread in that if we signed someone good it would block Shaw's progress. But a second left bacl still has much of a part to play for us this season. Saying that, I don't think Fox was quite as bad as some make out and he was seriously let down at times by Lallana's lack of defensive nous. For me Fox is bad as he doesn't do even the most basic things which an average fullback should do....like close down to try and block a cross or shot, he so so often is too narrow, bascially holding hands with the centre half and doesn't provide much support going forwards either. He's like a card board cut out of a left back at times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 29 November, 2012 Share Posted 29 November, 2012 Luke Shaw has done very well indeed. An exceptionally mature player for his age and a credit to both our academy and his family. I can only hope last nights injury was a trivial one, because this teenager is already a important player for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 29 November, 2012 Share Posted 29 November, 2012 Luke Shaw has done very well indeed. An exceptionally mature player for his age and a credit to both our academy and his family. I can only hope last nights injury was a trivial one, because this teenager is already a important player for us. Nige said it was just cramp. I'm with Krackers though, he's an excellent payer but we shouldn't be relying on a 17 year old as our only decent full back. I'd don't agree that signing one will block his progress. He should be used sparringly, he's still growing don't forget and the fact is he will learn from having an experienced man competing with him for the position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 29 November, 2012 Share Posted 29 November, 2012 Worth 10m already Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miltonroader07 Posted 29 November, 2012 Share Posted 29 November, 2012 He is a big mate of Theo Walcott.. a warning there !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 29 November, 2012 Share Posted 29 November, 2012 He is a big mate of Theo Walcott.. a warning there !! Milt! Where were you last night?? i thought we were supposed to be meeting in the pub?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 29 November, 2012 Share Posted 29 November, 2012 Milt! Where were you last night?? i thought we were supposed to be meeting in the pub?? He was at the game, sat near 2 dogs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 29 November, 2012 Share Posted 29 November, 2012 He was at the game, sat near 2 dogs I was all disappointed, me and my posse were all set to meet a mongboard legend and he went and did a no show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitch01 Posted 29 November, 2012 Share Posted 29 November, 2012 He was superb yesterday, especially in the first half. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 29 November, 2012 Share Posted 29 November, 2012 Chelsea in for him in January according to the Mail, need to get him signed on a long term contract, anyone know his current contract length? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 29 November, 2012 Author Share Posted 29 November, 2012 Chelsea in for him in January according to the Mail, need to get him signed on a long term contract, anyone know his current contract length? Turkish can ask his mate Bruce Buck when he next goes for a beer with him about the Chelsea interest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 29 November, 2012 Share Posted 29 November, 2012 Turkish can ask his mate Bruce Buck when he next goes for a beer with him about the Chelsea interest. Actually TurkDog told me who his mate was. It wasn't Bruce Buck, but it was just as valid. You should be less quick to judge, doing so gets you snippets of actual proper ITK info by PM. Just saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazlo78 Posted 29 November, 2012 Share Posted 29 November, 2012 I'm not going to comment on Buttner specifically as I've not seen enough of him to comment. But I don't really like the idea of being dependent upon a recently turned 17 year old in such a vital position. He will naturally have highs and lows in terms of performance, his fitness is currently an issue, and at such a young age he's perhaps more succeptible to injury (see Chamberlain in his full season with us). Foz has shown that he's not really an option, and it s difficult line to tread in that if we signed someone good it would block Shaw's progress. But a second left bacl still has much of a part to play for us this season. Saying that, I don't think Fox was quite as bad as some make out and he was seriously let down at times by Lallana's lack of defensive nous. We need to nurture Shaw carefully to avoid a new Olly Lancashire situation (= great potential, but given too much responsibility too soon). Give him the playing time he needs to develop his game, but make sure he is not run down physically or mentally. Also agree with your assessment of Fox; for all his faults he does bring aggression and a sweet left peg to the team and Lallana did offer him little protection at times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 29 November, 2012 Author Share Posted 29 November, 2012 Actually TurkDog told me who his mate was. It wasn't Bruce Buck, but it was just as valid. You should be less quick to judge, doing so gets you snippets of actual proper ITK info by PM. Just saying. Haha, I'll just have to make do with whatever Milton PM's me....... some good snippets in those Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 29 November, 2012 Share Posted 29 November, 2012 We need to nurture Shaw carefully to avoid a new Olly Lancashire situation (= great potential, but given too much responsibility too soon). Give him the playing time he needs to develop his game, but make sure he is not run down physically or mentally. Also agree with your assessment of Fox; for all his faults he does bring aggression and a sweet left peg to the team and Lallana did offer him little protection at times. I'm pretty sure Olly Lancashire is a terrible analogy. But otherwise, yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 29 November, 2012 Share Posted 29 November, 2012 Haha, I'll just have to make do with whatever Milton PM's me....... some good snippets in those The three of us should meet up pre-game! I was sure, after his promises to do so, that MiltonRoader was coming to say hello to me in the Alex yesterday. If you're on the milton PM rota than lets make it a happy group!! Me and my mates, you and your mates, and Milt. What could possibly go wrong??!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stud mark of doom Posted 30 November, 2012 Share Posted 30 November, 2012 I'm pretty sure Olly Lancashire is a terrible analogy. But otherwise, yes. I am able to confirm that Lancashire is a terrible analogy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazlo78 Posted 30 November, 2012 Share Posted 30 November, 2012 I'm pretty sure Olly Lancashire is a terrible analogy. But otherwise, yes. We'll never know - as it was, Olly was thrown in at the deep end But yes, Lancashire was never regarded as highly as Shaw, I know, so it was not a comparison between their respective levels of ability. More the mechanism of protecting your youngsters and carefully nurturing their talent. Olly was expected to be the leader on the pitch from day one, whereas Shaw can have the "luxury" of being part of a well-functioning and stable team where he is being looked after by senior players. I think that some from that large group of young players that fell away during our decline in the championship could have been much better players if they had been part of a settled side. As it was they got exposed to quickly and only few of them were able to cope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 30 November, 2012 Share Posted 30 November, 2012 I thought Shaw was excellent last night defensively, think he could work on offering a bit more going forwards as he gains in confidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red&white56 Posted 30 November, 2012 Share Posted 30 November, 2012 Very impressed with him against Norwich - he was my MOTM. While it would be great to have cover only a few weeks ago this was the postion that everyone was posting about - now it's the goal keeper. So let's be thankful that we have now at least one great option at LB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 30 November, 2012 Share Posted 30 November, 2012 He's a class act. Great first touch and just enough pace to make him very effective. I think there is a lot more to come as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 1 December, 2012 Share Posted 1 December, 2012 Shaw to Chelsea all over twitter. Someone tell me this won't happen...for a few years. The Bridge to Chelsea move still bugs me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo-Saint Posted 1 December, 2012 Share Posted 1 December, 2012 I can't find it for all the tweets about Thatcher being dead alians invading. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 1 December, 2012 Share Posted 1 December, 2012 These lazy links are bound to happen. 17 year old looking comfortable in the premier league at a club that doesn't qualify for europe on a regular basis, let's link him with a move! It's bound to be right! If he does go, kerching. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 1 December, 2012 Share Posted 1 December, 2012 Shaw to Chelsea all over twitter. Someone tell me this won't happen...for a few years. The Bridge to Chelsea move still bugs me Benitez has said that Ashley Cole is on his way out to PSG, if not in January then definitely at the end of the season. And Chelsea don't really have a replacement lined up for him unless you include Ryan Bertrand (which I don't, not for a top 4 side). Would Shaw get into their side? Perhaps not now, but at the start of next season with a load of games behind him, you just never know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 1 December, 2012 Share Posted 1 December, 2012 Benitez has said that Ashley Cole is on his way out to PSG, if not in January then definitely at the end of the season. And Chelsea don't really have a replacement lined up for him unless you include Ryan Bertrand (which I don't, not for a top 4 side). Would Shaw get into their side? Perhaps not now, but at the start of next season with a load of games behind him, you just never know. wouldn't mind letting them have him if they gave us Bertrand in exchange, unconvinced that we'd be the losers there. Why does Shaw look so old? If you asked me I'd say he looks older than most of our other players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotonist Posted 1 December, 2012 Share Posted 1 December, 2012 wouldn't mind letting them have him if they gave us Bertrand in exchange, unconvinced that we'd be the losers there. Why does Shaw look so old? If you asked me I'd say he looks older than most of our other players. Dodgy african birth certificate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UpweySaint Posted 1 December, 2012 Share Posted 1 December, 2012 Dodgy african birth certificate. Are you suggesting our own Luke Shaw is, as Moyes would say, "a nigerian 17" ..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 1 December, 2012 Share Posted 1 December, 2012 if shaw carries on like this...he wont be a saints for too long...what such quality at 17 in the premier league no wonder there has been loads of hype about him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Kucho Posted 1 December, 2012 Share Posted 1 December, 2012 C'mon Nicola, give this lad a 5 year contract with a £50 million buy out clause to scare of Wenger and co. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LostBoys Posted 1 December, 2012 Share Posted 1 December, 2012 Extrtemely good performances and Chelsea can f**k off - they released him because he was too short - useless club baled out by a crackpot's money Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints boy in Leeds Posted 1 December, 2012 Share Posted 1 December, 2012 Nige said it was just cramp. I'm with Krackers though, he's an excellent payer but we shouldn't be relying on a 17 year old as our only decent full back. I'd don't agree that signing one will block his progress. He should be used sparringly, he's still growing don't forget and the fact is he will learn from having an experienced man competing with him for the position. Still growing indeed, he'll have to wear his boots a size up next season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redder freak Posted 2 December, 2012 Share Posted 2 December, 2012 Apparently he's off to Chelsea. http://www.goal.com/en/news/596/exclusive/2012/12/01/3569408/chelsea-close-in-on-southampton-prodigy-luke-shaw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Restark19 Posted 2 December, 2012 Share Posted 2 December, 2012 Apparently he's off to Chelsea. http://www.goal.com/en/news/596/exclusive/2012/12/01/3569408/chelsea-close-in-on-southampton-prodigy-luke-shaw Apparently not. http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11700/8291500/Luke-Shaw-is-not-thinking-of-leaving-Southampton-like-youth-stars-before-him Tbh all these stories are bullsh*t, can't trust any of them. Unless it comes straight from the player.. even then we won't know one way or the other until Januray 31st. He's been linked with big clubs for a while so it's no surprise when reporters just drag it up for the sake of a story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Chalet Posted 8 December, 2012 Share Posted 8 December, 2012 First time I have seen him play live, thought he was superb. Made Jason Roberts look a mug and Robson-Kanu basically gave up after being owned a couple of time. Amazing prospect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 8 December, 2012 Share Posted 8 December, 2012 Stunning prospect. So mature for a 17 year old, but very strong as well. Reads the game well, positions himself well and is very rarely beaten. A 17 year old kid has solved our left back crisis. We've been lucky with the LB's we've produced in recent years, but I'd say that in his tender years Shaw looks the better defender at his age than either Bale or Bridge looked. Bale was a joy to watch in the Championship, but often left huge gaps in behind him which were exploited - or miss read defensive situations. Shaw, first and foremost, defends. That's what I like about him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 8 December, 2012 Share Posted 8 December, 2012 Shaw is the real deal, he is first and foremost a great defender, but he is also now beginning to grow in confidence going forward. Its hard to believe watching him that he is 17, defensively he is much better than either Bridge or Bale. Of course comparing him to Bale now is unfair, as he has been transmogrified into an attacking MF. It pains me to say it but he reminds me of a young Neville. He is looking so good that I don't believe now that we need a LB in the Jan window, with Fox as emergency backup I think Shaw is fine, only concern is his fitness levels. We will do well to hang on to him in a year or so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dimond Geezer Posted 8 December, 2012 Share Posted 8 December, 2012 He looks very assured & he doesn't let himself get bullied. It's refreshing to see such a young lad happy to mix it physically with the grizzled old pros. I think he has a bright future, hopefully its here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 8 December, 2012 Share Posted 8 December, 2012 What I have noticed about him is that he very rarely lets the wide player get the ball into the box. It's just basics. STOP THE CROSS. Was superb today, be lucky to have him here at the start of next season IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 8 December, 2012 Share Posted 8 December, 2012 What I have noticed about him is that he very rarely lets the wide player get the ball into the box. It's just basics. STOP THE CROSS. Was superb today, be lucky to have him here at the start of next season IMO. There's a 5 1/2 year contract on the table for him once he turns 18, and by all accounts it will be signed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGTL Posted 8 December, 2012 Share Posted 8 December, 2012 Future England left back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 8 December, 2012 Share Posted 8 December, 2012 When does he turn 18 then ?! Get that signed !!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 8 December, 2012 Share Posted 8 December, 2012 When does he turn 18 then ?! Get that signed !!!! Next July, he's not been 17 that long believe it or not! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 8 December, 2012 Share Posted 8 December, 2012 Lets hope he's not had his head turned by agents by then. Important we stay up as well IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilchards Posted 8 December, 2012 Share Posted 8 December, 2012 When does he turn 18 then ?! On his birthday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 8 December, 2012 Share Posted 8 December, 2012 Lets hope he's not had his head turned by agents by then. Important we stay up as well IMO. Oh, totally. If we do go down we'd lose a hell of a lot, which is why going down will seriously halt our progress IMO. Gaston, Lalalna, Shaw, Clyne, Cork, Lambert, Puncheon, Morgan - could see them all going based on how they've played this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ziggy Posted 8 December, 2012 Share Posted 8 December, 2012 He is amazing. What a future ha has - hopefully with us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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