georgeweahscousin Posted 31 March, 2013 Share Posted 31 March, 2013 I've seen a few fans 'upset' at the way MoPo answered the question which I don't really get. What is he supposed to say to it? What does he personally have to thank Adkins for? It was an unprofessional dig from the interviewer as far as I am concerned and felt that MoPo handled it well! p.s. The interpreter's face was a picture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olallana Posted 31 March, 2013 Share Posted 31 March, 2013 I've seen a few fans 'upset' at the way MoPo answered the question which I don't really get. What is he supposed to say to it? What does he personally have to thank Adkins for? It was an unprofessional dig from the interviewer as far as I am concerned and felt that MoPo handled it well! p.s. The interpreter's face was a picture. One of the most stupid question I´ve ever seen. And by the way, those postgame interviews......it´s like the interviewer just try to put words in the managers mouths all the time. Pretty awful interviews most of the time.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andre Posted 31 March, 2013 Share Posted 31 March, 2013 Why would MP thank NA anyway? Crap question, and good on MP for answering straight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 31 March, 2013 Share Posted 31 March, 2013 (edited) I think the way it was translated made it sound like he was trying to disrespect Adkins, when he wasn't at all. Should he similarly thank George Prost for suggesting Schneiderlin to Lowe, or Simon Jordan for running Palace poorly forcing them to sell Fonte so they could stave off administration, or even the surgeon who fixed Lallanas irregular heart beat allowing him to continue playing professionally? And whilst we're on the subject of post match interviews, it really annoys me that they play out the whole process. When someone speaks a foreign language on a football show like that they usually play the translation over the top of the person speaking, but when it's Pochettino they play out the question, the translation, the answer and then the translated answer. BBC thankfully have recently started doing it properly, but Sky are still showing the whole process...it's like they're trying to bring more attention to the fact he is using a translator. Look at the deep conversation him and Lambert have in the second half when subs are being made, it's clear his English is good enough. Edited 31 March, 2013 by Saint_clark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graffito Posted 31 March, 2013 Share Posted 31 March, 2013 It was a dopey question that didn't deserve the answer it got. It was a pity Pochettino's interpreter didn't do what Ranieri's used to do and answer the question as he wanted rather than with a translation of Ranieri's response. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 31 March, 2013 Share Posted 31 March, 2013 And let's be honest. He should thank... Pardew for finding Lambert. And signing Fonte. And Cork.And Puncheon. The scouting network for finding Shaw. And Schneiderlin. And Lallana. Whoever signed Kelvin? Nicola for funding everything!! And Markus for funding him... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 31 March, 2013 Share Posted 31 March, 2013 And when, by the way, did they ever ask Di Matteo to thank Mourinho? Or Mourinho to thank Ranieri? It's bloody disrespectful is what it is, and is just so typical of the British media fixation with believing that we need English managers at the top of the game. The day English players are the best in the world, is the day English managers need to be the best in the world... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobM Posted 31 March, 2013 Share Posted 31 March, 2013 It was an embarrassing question, one any journalist should be ashamed of. I'd love to know what answer he was hoping for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pangy Posted 31 March, 2013 Share Posted 31 March, 2013 Stupid question really,Adkins didnt exactly leave us in a healthy position so what is there to thank? If NA did his job correctly we wouldn't of needed Mo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 31 March, 2013 Share Posted 31 March, 2013 I've seen a few fans 'upset' at the way MoPo answered the question. Where have you seen these "upset" fans? Don't understand how any fans could be upset by such a loaded question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr X Posted 31 March, 2013 Share Posted 31 March, 2013 Stupid question really,Adkins didnt exactly leave us in a healthy position so what is there to thank? If NA did his job correctly we wouldn't of needed Mo Unfair comment. what do you mean by Adkins left us in a unhealthy position? Do you mean league position or are you referring to transfers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints foreva Posted 31 March, 2013 Share Posted 31 March, 2013 Media always ask new managers things like that when they're going up against the man who they replaced. Adkins had a similar question put his way before we played Newcastle at home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pangy Posted 31 March, 2013 Share Posted 31 March, 2013 (edited) Unfair comment. what do you mean by Adkins left us in a unhealthy position? Do you mean league position or are you referring to transfers? League position,it doesn't matter that he is a nice guy and enjoyed success here when we were in the lower leagues,fact of the matter is we were struggling and that was partly down to Adkins. Mo has come in and seemingly turned round a sinking ship,of course he owes NA nothing Edited 31 March, 2013 by pangy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 31 March, 2013 Share Posted 31 March, 2013 League position,it doesn't matter that he is a nice guy and enjoyed success here when we were in the lower leagues,fact of the matter is we were struggling and that was partly down to Adkins Fifteenth, weren't we? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 31 March, 2013 Share Posted 31 March, 2013 League position,it doesn't matter that he is a nice guy and enjoyed success here when we were in the lower leagues,fact of the matter is we were struggling and that was partly down to Adkins. Mo has come in and seemingly turned round a sinking ship,of course he owes NA nothing "Turned round a sinking ship". Adkins' last 9 games: 11 points. Pochettino's first 9 games: 12 points. That's some turnaround in fortunes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 31 March, 2013 Share Posted 31 March, 2013 Fifteenth, weren't we? "Turned round a sinking ship". Adkins' last 9 games: 11 points. Pochettino's first 9 games: 12 points. That's some turnaround in fortunes. you boys are to good for these SWF numpties Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenridge Posted 31 March, 2013 Share Posted 31 March, 2013 I guess you can make statistics be whatever you want. Playing devils advocat, if you gave MP say 3 games to make is mark (seems reasonable) then how does his points return in the last 6 games compare with NA's last 6? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 31 March, 2013 Share Posted 31 March, 2013 I guess you can make statistics be whatever you want. Playing devils advocat, if you gave MP say 3 games to make is mark (seems reasonable) then how does his points return in the last 6 games compare with NA's last 6? Or alternatively you could look at Adkins record for the season; 22 points from 22 games. 1 point per game. MP; 12 points from 9 games, or 1.33 points per game. Maybe we can find a better terminology than "turned round a sinking ship". I think that's the point, really. 1 point per game would, by many approximations on here, have us staying up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Saints Posted 31 March, 2013 Share Posted 31 March, 2013 Poor question and well answered by Mo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pangy Posted 31 March, 2013 Share Posted 31 March, 2013 (edited) "Turned round a sinking ship". Adkins' last 9 games: 11 points. Pochettino's first 9 games: 12 points. That's some turnaround in fortunes. Look at the teams we have played in Mo's 9 games Liverpool Chelsea Man Utd Man city Everton Not easy games at all but we took 10 pts from them,we should of had at least a draw at old Trafford as well Maybe my term "sinking ship" was a little strong,but I don't think we would be in the position we are now under Adkins Edited 31 March, 2013 by pangy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 31 March, 2013 Share Posted 31 March, 2013 "Turned round a sinking ship". Adkins' last 9 games: 11 points. Pochettino's first 9 games: 12 points. That's some turnaround in fortunes. You overlook the fact that Adkins had a much lighter and more winnable set of fixtures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 31 March, 2013 Share Posted 31 March, 2013 You overlook the fact that Adkins had a much lighter and more winnable set of fixtures. MP had a home game against the bottom team, can't get anymore winnable than that. But we'll forget that one shall we as it doesn't suit us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 31 March, 2013 Share Posted 31 March, 2013 MP had a home game against the bottom team, can't get anymore winnable than that. But we'll forget that one shall we as it doesn't suit us. A set of fixtures. Plural. Fact. How many top half sides did Adkins beat (5 of MP's 9 games)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Billy Posted 31 March, 2013 Share Posted 31 March, 2013 What a stupid infantile question and got the deserved answer. Well done MP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 31 March, 2013 Share Posted 31 March, 2013 A set of fixtures. Plural. Fact. How many top half sides did Adkins beat (5 of MP's 9 games)? How many bottom half teams has MP beaten? Games which are arguably more important as the beating the teams around you are six pointers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 31 March, 2013 Share Posted 31 March, 2013 Look at the teams we have played in Mo's 9 games Liverpool Chelsea Man Utd Man city Everton Not easy games at all but we took 10 pts from them,we should of had at least a draw at old Trafford as well Maybe my term "sinking ship" was a little strong,but I don't think we would be in the position we are now under Adkins I think your "sinking ship" analogy was utter nonsense, not "too strong". We've improved under MP. I think most people prefer him as a manager. But lets not re-write history to airbrush out and diminish our previous manager's achievements, shall we? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
for_heaven's_Saint Posted 31 March, 2013 Share Posted 31 March, 2013 Wasn't Adkins asked the same about Pardew and gave a very similar answer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olallana Posted 31 March, 2013 Share Posted 31 March, 2013 How many bottom half teams has MP beaten? Games which are arguably more important as the beating the teams around you are six pointers. Actually, if it stays like now QPR was never a six pointer. (quite probable) Newcastle yes but they are one of the toughest away fixtures for many teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 31 March, 2013 Share Posted 31 March, 2013 I've asked several times in the last few months and not received a reply, so ill ask again. At what point in the last two months did Adkins stop being the new Alex Ferguson and the best manager we've ever had, the guy we should stick with even if we go down and become this tedious, clueless, grinning bumpkin who was leading us to disaster? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 31 March, 2013 Share Posted 31 March, 2013 Actually, if it stays like now QPR was never a six pointer. (quite probable) Newcastle yes but they are one of the toughest away fixtures for many teams. If we'd have beaten QPR they'd be as a good as down and we'd be 7 points clear of the relegation zone, so arguably yes, it was a six pointer as they are only a two game swing from being out of the drop zone. Wigan away was a another six pointer. 1 point out of 9 against our fellow strugglers is hardly amazing stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olallana Posted 31 March, 2013 Share Posted 31 March, 2013 If we'd have beaten QPR they'd be as a good as down and we'd be 7 points clear of the relegation zone, so arguably yes, it was a six pointer as they are only a two game swing from being out of the drop zone. Wigan away was a another six pointer. 1 point out of 9 against our fellow strugglers is hardly amazing stuff. Matter of opinion, I think QPR are as good as down now. We weren´t that amazing in december though, losing to Sunderland, scrapping away two draws at Fulham and Stoke in the same manner... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 31 March, 2013 Share Posted 31 March, 2013 Matter of opinion, I think QPR are as good as down now. We weren´t that amazing in december though, losing to Sunderland, scrapping away two draws at Fulham and Stoke in the same manner... Beating Reading, winning at Villa, coming from 0-2 down at Chelsea. Awful, awful stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 31 March, 2013 Share Posted 31 March, 2013 How many bottom half teams has MP beaten? Games which are arguably more important as the beating the teams around you are six pointers. On paper, MP's first 9 games were much tougher than NA's last 9. My first and only claim. Yes or no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olallana Posted 31 March, 2013 Share Posted 31 March, 2013 Beating Reading, winning at Villa, coming from 0-2 down at Chelsea. Awful, awful stuff. That´s one game from december and two from january..... And dont get started on Chelsea, remember yesterday? And the lesson learned is that you never never ever ever start with Lambert on the bench. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 31 March, 2013 Share Posted 31 March, 2013 On paper, MP's first 9 games were much tougher than NA's last 9. My first and only claim. Yes or no? In theory yes, but games aren't played on paper. Adkins record against teams around us is far, far better than MPs, and the reality is these games are more important. If we'd beaten Wigan, Newcastle and QPR and lost the 3 we won we'd have the same points but be in a much better position in terms of safety. Yes or no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 31 March, 2013 Share Posted 31 March, 2013 That´s one game from december and two from january..... And dont get started on Chelsea, remember yesterday? And the lesson learned is that you never never ever ever start with Lambert on the bench. If you can cherry pick games so can I. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pangy Posted 31 March, 2013 Share Posted 31 March, 2013 I think your "sinking ship" analogy was utter nonsense, not "too strong". We've improved under MP. I think most people prefer him as a manager. But lets not re-write history to airbrush out and diminish our previous manager's achievements, shall we? Like I said he was very successful for us in the lower league and he comes across as a really nice guy,BUT all that aside he looked tactically inept at times and a bit out of his depth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 31 March, 2013 Share Posted 31 March, 2013 Robbie Savage just said Rickie won't play for England cos he's dodgy when 1 on 1 with keeper! FFS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olallana Posted 31 March, 2013 Share Posted 31 March, 2013 If you can cherry pick games so can I. Cherrypicking? I took them from one single month all of them, and I even left out the Liverpool game from that month...... I think it´s pretty safe to think that Cortese made the decision in december even though it took some time to get it all done.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 31 March, 2013 Share Posted 31 March, 2013 (edited) Cherrypicking? I took them from one single month all of them, and I even left out the Liverpool game from that month...... I think it´s pretty safe to think that Cortese made the decision in december even though it took some time to get it all done.... It was way before that actually. I'm sure Shurlock will appear in a minute to tell me I'm wrong though. Edited 31 March, 2013 by Turkish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 31 March, 2013 Share Posted 31 March, 2013 Like I said he was very successful for us in the lower league and he comes across as a really nice guy,BUT all that aside he looked tactically inept at times and a bit out of his depth. Well he had us safe, and actually on the upturn before he left. We played Arsenal and Chelsea; should have beaten Arsenal and came back from 2-0 down to draw against chelsea. Those games were both in his final fling with us. He wasn't "out of his depth", he wasn't "tactically inept". If were either of those we would be down by now. He was a good manager, who perhaps wouldn't have taken us much further than Premier League survival, we'll never know. Your analogies need an awful lot of work, they really do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 31 March, 2013 Share Posted 31 March, 2013 Robbie savage picking lamberts one on one miss vs Liverpool and then saying one on ones are his weakness. I can't even remember him missing another one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 31 March, 2013 Share Posted 31 March, 2013 Good old Ronnie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 31 March, 2013 Share Posted 31 March, 2013 Well he had us safe, and actually on the upturn before he left. We played Arsenal and Chelsea; should have beaten Arsenal and came back from 2-0 down to draw against chelsea. Those games were both in his final fling with us. He wasn't "out of his depth", he wasn't "tactically inept". If were either of those we would be down by now. He was a good manager, who perhaps wouldn't have taken us much further than Premier League survival, we'll never know. Your analogies need an awful lot of work, they really do. I love Adkins but this guy is taking us to another level IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 31 March, 2013 Share Posted 31 March, 2013 Ronnie Savage is my favourite pundit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 31 March, 2013 Share Posted 31 March, 2013 I've asked several times in the last few months and not received a reply, so ill ask again. At what point in the last two months did Adkins stop being the new Alex Ferguson and the best manager we've ever had, the guy we should stick with even if we go down and become this tedious, clueless, grinning bumpkin who was leading us to disaster? It was about 10 seconds after we won a match under Pochettino, I think - can't be sure though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 31 March, 2013 Share Posted 31 March, 2013 I love Adkins but this guy is taking us to another level IMO. Rog, if you read my previous post you'll see I prefer MP, and think most other fans do. I just have a bit of an issue with people making things up about Adkins performance here, and implying we were doomed to relegation until we changed manager. Its entirely incorrect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 31 March, 2013 Share Posted 31 March, 2013 It was about 10 seconds after we won a match under Pochettino, I think - can't be sure though. Turkish it doesn't matter now. Adkins was amazing for us but move on and enjoy yesterday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olallana Posted 31 March, 2013 Share Posted 31 March, 2013 It was way before that actually. I'm sure Shurlock will appear in a minute to tell me I'm wrong though. Well, Pocchetino left Espanyol nov 26th so that final decision was never made "way before" december.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 31 March, 2013 Share Posted 31 March, 2013 In theory yes, but games aren't played on paper. Adkins record against teams around us is far, far better than MPs, and the reality is these games are more important. If we'd beaten Wigan, Newcastle and QPR and lost the 3 we won we'd have the same points but be in a much better position in terms of safety. Yes or no? We have 12 points instead of 11 points. That's the only certainty. F**k knows whether we would have beaten Wigan, Newcastle and QPR. We couldn't beat Wigan at home (or Sunderland or Norwich, two other relegation rivals, for that matter). If NA had done so, he would have equaled the number of away wins he had mustered all season. Wishful thinking IMO. MP hasn't turned around a sinking ship or turned us into world beaters; but we have kicked on. And the difference is greater than the stats on paper suggest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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