Can someone please explain ......

[SaintRichmond]

Exactly WHY do we HAVE to sell off the very youngsters that are slowly coming together as a TEAM ???

 

My train of thought is this ..

 

Currently, in the CCC, we are averaging circa 15000, which is not enough for us to break even financially

 

So, how can attendances be improved ? Surely by continuing to improve results, to get more points, to move UP the table ...... Success breeds Success etc etc

 

However, it looks as though SFC will embark on a Fire Sale in January, to get monies in ....... but to what end is that ??

 

First and foremost, it will considerably weaken the Team yet again, and Jan will have to soldier on with whatever is left. That will most likely mean a down turn in results, which will mean a further downturn in attendance levels

 

We are led to believe that there must be a "Cull", so as to get monies for Barclays .... but how true IS that....... Assuming we are circa £4.5M overdrawn, it will take about three players to accumalate that ( bear in mind, the BUYER calls the shots, because WE are the paupers) ..... At best, it may clear the overdraft, but it will NOT improve the Club as a whole

 

Indeed, I think it will be false economy. A January Sale will only WEAKEN the Team, jeopardise the rest of our season, and guarentee that gates will fall even lower than they are now ( bar the Man Utd match of course )

 

Unfortunately, IMHO, our Football Club is run 1000% as a Business, with NEVER a thought about the PRODUCT, ie Football

 

It would be far better to let Poortvliet concentrate on the potentially very good TEAM he is getting to perform, move us up the CCC table , and see gates climb to circa 25000 again.

 

But, alas, under our present Regime, it will not happen

[um pahars]

Exactly WHY do we HAVE to sell off the very youngsters that are slowly coming together as a TEAM ???

 

My train of thought is this ..

 

Currently, in the CCC, we are averaging circa 15000, which is not enough for us to break even financially

 

So, how can attendances be improved ? Surely by continuing to improve results, to get more points, to move UP the table ...... Success breeds Success etc etc

 

Two quick points.

 

Firstly, as we have seen, there is no guarantee of improving results.

 

Secondly, hopefully the FA Cup windfall will provide some respite from the bank and will enable us to keep the side together for the rest of the season (and maybe even add to it in key areas).

[Thedelldays]

Exactly WHY do we HAVE to sell off the very youngsters that are slowly coming together as a TEAM ???

 

didnt know we had to....

[Scudamore]

1000% ???

[wild-saint]

didnt know we had to....

 

Oh my god Im not the only one who doesnt think we will sell off the kids. Surely Rasiak, Skacel, SJ and SM could be sold for something. Surely its supply and demand? If we sell them cheap enough we will get a buyer?

 

I very much doubt that lowe will sell the team that is just keeping its head above water and risk his investment. If he refuses to sell and holds out in january, what the effing hell can barclays do? They could force us into administration but still cant sell the players until the new transfer window at the end of the season.

 

IMO we will keep the current first team and do whatever we can to get rid of anything currently not playing.

[once_bitterne]

Are we actually going to make much money from the Cup game? Don't the gate receipts get split 50-50 is in effect all we will be getting is the revenue as if we had an extra home game with 15k attendence? I'm sure this will help pay off a bit of the overdraft but hardly enough to change any decision on which players we have to sell in Janaury.

 

Now, if we get a replay and take them back to OT....

[saintjay77]

Oh my god Im not the only one who doesnt think we will sell off the kids. Surely Rasiak, Skacel, SJ and SM could be sold for something. Surely its supply and demand? If we sell them cheap enough we will get a buyer?

 

I very much doubt that lowe will sell the team that is just keeping its head above water and risk his investment. If he refuses to sell and holds out in january, what the effing hell can barclays do? They could force us into administration but still cant sell the players until the new transfer window at the end of the season.

 

IMO we will keep the current first team and do whatever we can to get rid of anything currently not playing.

 

Comes down to how much money the Bank want back and when.

 

No doubt the club have agreed to pay back a certain ammount by a certain date probably based on getting a certain amount of people into SMS each match. If those figures are down then there will be a shortfall on how much we should be paying back so some kind of sales will need to be made or the deal with the bank will need to be renegotiated.

 

The club wont want to sell off the kids but if they cant make the money needed via the high earners then the bank may twist there arm into selling off one of our more desirables. The Cup match will help loads though as it should bring in some much needed extra cash. Pull off a win in that one and the banks might be prepared to wait.

 

OP's bs about the club being run as a business being bad is laughable. Teams like leeds in the past have been run in the way he wants our club run and look what happened to them. We had a shot at spending to get back up and failed so need to cut our cloth accordingly and do things the long way. quick fix of throwing money we dont have at it will just get us into more trouble.

 

I guess the OP will ask the same question in another thread and keep doing so until he finds people that actually think he is talking sence.

[saintjay77]

Are we actually going to make much money from the Cup game? Don't the gate receipts get split 50-50 is in effect all we will be getting is the revenue as if we had an extra home game with 15k attendence? I'm sure this will help pay off a bit of the overdraft but hardly enough to change any decision on which players we have to sell in Janaury.

 

Now, if we get a replay and take them back to OT....

 

No idea how the money is split. didnt even realise that it is. I have been looking at it like we will get a nice bumper some of cash. mind you if it is split 50/50 surley its only the profit that is split so the extra cost of hosting a full house match will e taken out of the monies 1st?

 

possability of it being on tv too althoug not sure how much the BBC pay clubs for a cup match compared to what sky would pay.

[buctootim]

Are we actually going to make much money from the Cup game? Don't the gate receipts get split 50-50 is in effect all we will be getting is the revenue as if we had an extra home game with 15k attendence? I'm sure this will help pay off a bit of the overdraft but hardly enough to change any decision on which players we have to sell in Janaury.

 

Now, if we get a replay and take them back to OT....

 

 

I think its slightly worse than 50% - 45% to each team with 10% to the shared pool.

[Legod Third Coming]

No idea how the money is split. didnt even realise that it is. I have been looking at it like we will get a nice bumper some of cash. mind you if it is split 50/50 surley its only the profit that is split so the extra cost of hosting a full house match will e taken out of the monies 1st?

 

possability of it being on tv too althoug not sure how much the BBC pay clubs for a cup match compared to what sky would pay.

 

The BBC pay nothing... ITV on the other hand...

 

And being on ITV does mean we should and can be more commercially astute re advertising hoardings, promotional deals, etc...

[saintjay77]

The BBC pay nothing... ITV on the other hand...

 

And being on ITV does mean we should and can be more commercially astute re advertising hoardings, promotional deals, etc...

 

If we get on TV lets hope its on ITV then. Satanta are claiming the are now the home of the FA cup so I guess they have some games too. Hope they dont get us though cause i aint paying for that sh1te channel. lol

[Big Bad Bob]

Exactly WHY do we HAVE to sell off the very youngsters that are slowly coming together as a TEAM ???

 

 

We DON'T HAVE to sell our youngsters, we HAVE to sell some players to stay afloat. It doesn't have to be the youngsters.

 

I'm sure that the board would like to ensure that we don't have to have GR's or MS' or SJ's wages back on the bill but if we don't get any bids for them what can we do.

 

Unfortunately we can only sell players that have had bids in for them.

[VectisSaint]

I think its slightly worse than 50% - 45% to each team with 10% to the shared pool.

As far as gate receipts are concerned this will be no better than a league match, even if we assume 32500 sell out (and there is no guarantee yet that our capacity will be increased by re-opening the corners). But we will presumably earn more from an extra 16/17k buying merchandise on the day, and also TV monies. It is also a bonus on being drawn away to someone other than Manure, or being drawn at home to some unattractive team such as Histon. So there will be increased income that presumably is not in the budget, but not the massive windfall that some seem to expect. A draw and a replay at Old T would be a bigger money-spinner I suspect, at least it would be if the pastic mancs can get off their arses and drive up from London to see Manure play Saints

[um pahars]

The BBC pay nothing... ITV on the other hand...

 

And being on ITV does mean we should and can be more commercially astute re advertising hoardings, promotional deals, etc...

 

What channel we are makes no difference with what we do with our own hoardings, promotional deals etc.

 

Hopefully we will get our share (45%) of a full house and I'd imagine prices won't be cheap.

 

Hopefully we'll be on TV and for the last deal it was 150k per team (regardless of it being BBC or SKY), but think this one might be more.

 

Then we get to sell pitchside hoardings at inflated proces, then there's probably a clause for existing sponsors that comes in to effect, merchandise, radio fees.

 

It certainly won't pay off the overdraft!!!!!, but it might provide us with some breathing space, or at least reduce who we have to sell!!!!!

[South City Si]

As said before, we still have John, Rasiak, Saga and Dyer to sell before we have to sell the youngsters. Pointless pessimism will not make things better, you are not helping by being so negative just perpetuating a belief that 'All is doomed'.

[mprobert]

I think its something to do with more money going out of the business than coming in

[Whitey Grandad]

Are we actually going to make much money from the Cup game? Don't the gate receipts get split 50-50 is in effect all we will be getting is the revenue as if we had an extra home game with 15k attendence? I'm sure this will help pay off a bit of the overdraft but hardly enough to change any decision on which players we have to sell in Janaury.

 

Now, if we get a replay and take them back to OT....

As far as gate receipts are concerned it's probably no different from a normal league game where we keep all the takings. If we link the sale of tickets so that we get an extra 15,000 on a league game or two then that really would make a difference. A replay at OT would be beyond our wildest dreams.

[um pahars]

As said before, we still have John, Rasiak, Saga and Dyer to sell before we have to sell the youngsters.

 

Problem there is, as we found in the summer, there's not many buyers out there for this lot (John is in last year of contract so won't command a fee, it would probably be a big ask for someone to pay a fee and then the wages of Rasiak and Saga & you can only hope that someone sees something in Dyer).

 

Hopefully the FA Cup windfall and 500,000 for Dyer will keep the wolves happy.

[up and away]

As far as gate receipts are concerned this will be no better than a league match, even if we assume 32500 sell out (and there is no guarantee yet that our capacity will be increased by re-opening the corners). But we will presumably earn more from an extra 16/17k buying merchandise on the day, and also TV monies. It is also a bonus on being drawn away to someone other than Manure, or being drawn at home to some unattractive team such as Histon. So there will be increased income that presumably is not in the budget, but not the massive windfall that some seem to expect. A draw and a replay at Old T would be a bigger money-spinner I suspect, at least it would be if the pastic mancs can get off their arses and drive up from London to see Manure play Saints

 

The single match could possibly result in a lot of extra revenue for a full house, around £500k I would imagine. Don't forget most league games will be a lot cheaper per seat than this game, where in other less attractive cup ties we have had to slash prices to get attendance. As you say financially it would be far better off up at OT, or a replay even better.

The only problem is that if the match is live on free to air tv and more than likely at an odd time and day, this will cut into the attendance severely. It would not surprise me with these conditions if we only got about a 25000 crowd.

[Snowballs2]

Are we actually going to make much money from the Cup game? Don't the gate receipts get split 50-50 is in effect all we will be getting is the revenue as if we had an extra home game with 15k attendence? I'm sure this will help pay off a bit of the overdraft but hardly enough to change any decision on which players we have to sell in Janaury.

 

Now, if we get a replay and take them back to OT....

 

I thought the split was 33% to FA, 33% to Saints and 33% to Man U

[saintbob40]

We haven't yet. I don't believe lots will be sold either, but no doubt someone we'd really rather keep will go. I think it will be one of Surman or Lallana rather than both. The people loaned out might leave, like John and Saga. I'd love Saga to stay but can't see it.

 

Otherwise, obviously if there's a very good offer for anyone we'll probably accept it, as any CCC club would. I just hope we can perhaps use a fraction of the funds to sign or extend the loans of Pearce and Cork. Cork will no doubt leave Chelsea sooner or later and they won't demand a huge fee. If he likes it here it'd be annoying to see him sign elsewhere.

 

Cork's still 19 and an England Under 21 international who should get better so I would say opening bids at £1.5 million. First on the list after takeover perhaps (....by which time he'll be 34.......)

[Whitey Grandad]

Hopefully the FA Cup windfall and 500,000 for Dyer will keep the wolves happy.

I didn't know he was joining them?

[70's Mike]

Why do we have to pay off the overdraft?

Many businesses operate with an agreed overdraft facilty

[Alanh]

Why do we have to pay off the overdraft?

Many businesses operate with an agreed overdraft facilty

 

I don't think we have to pay it off completely, but i think it's too big at the moment and we need to reduce it to an agreed amount so that the bank will continue to support us. This would be less of an issue if our revenue were higher but with the drop in attenances there are few options.

[70's Mike]

I don't think we have to pay it off completely, but i think it's too big at the moment and we need to reduce it to an agreed amount so that the bank will continue to support us. This would be less of an issue if our revenue were higher but with the drop in attenances there are few options.

 

So does anyone other than THE BANK, david jones and rupert know what are limit may be?

Or are Lowe/Wilde playing on our fears

[CB Fry]

Exactly WHY do we HAVE to sell off the very youngsters that are slowly coming together as a TEAM ???

 

My train of thought is this ..

 

Currently, in the CCC, we are averaging circa 15000, which is not enough for us to break even financially

 

So, how can attendances be improved ? Surely by continuing to improve results, to get more points, to move UP the table ...... Success breeds Success etc etc

 

However, it looks as though SFC will embark on a Fire Sale in January, to get monies in ....... but to what end is that ??

 

First and foremost, it will considerably weaken the Team yet again, and Jan will have to soldier on with whatever is left. That will most likely mean a down turn in results, which will mean a further downturn in attendance levels

 

We are led to believe that there must be a "Cull", so as to get monies for Barclays .... but how true IS that....... Assuming we are circa £4.5M overdrawn, it will take about three players to accumalate that ( bear in mind, the BUYER calls the shots, because WE are the paupers) ..... At best, it may clear the overdraft, but it will NOT improve the Club as a whole

 

Indeed, I think it will be false economy. A January Sale will only WEAKEN the Team, jeopardise the rest of our season, and guarentee that gates will fall even lower than they are now ( bar the Man Utd match of course )

 

Unfortunately, IMHO, our Football Club is run 1000% as a Business, with NEVER a thought about the PRODUCT, ie Football

 

It would be far better to let Poortvliet concentrate on the potentially very good TEAM he is getting to perform, move us up the CCC table , and see gates climb to circa 25000 again.

 

But, alas, under our present Regime, it will not happen

 

 

 

Nothing beats getting yourself completely worked up into a ranting lather about something that hasn't actually happened. But to be fair, this is your speciality.

 

Calm the fu ck down. We're skint, in case you hadn't noticed.

 

And remember, these were the same youngsters you've been happy to slate up until now. It's only now you've decided Lowe is going to sell them you're starting to gripe about how terrible it all is. When "Lowe was telling the manager to play them etc etc" it was a disgrace they were even playing.

 

 

How about not moaning for one day?

[stevegrant]

I thought the split was 33% to FA, 33% to Saints and 33% to Man U

It's either 40-40-20 (home team - away team - FA) or 45-45-10, not entirely sure, but it's at least 40% to each club.

 

I think TV revenue is in the region of £250k for each club.

 

As a back-of-a-fag-packet calculation, I reckon we'd be looking at the following:

 

Assuming a sell-out, there's about 1500 corporate seats (including boxes), where you'd expect people to be paying upwards of £150 per head. That's £225k.

 

That leaves about 30000 seats at an average price of about £20 (taking into account junior/senior/student/teen discounts), which is another £600k.

 

40% of that is £330k.

 

Add a potential £250k for a televised game and you're looking at what is effectively a half-million pound bonus for the club.

 

I won't even go into the million-pound-plus potential of a replay...

[Pat from Poole]

It's either 40-40-20 (home team - away team - FA) or 45-45-10, not entirely sure, but it's at least 40% to each club.

 

I think TV revenue is in the region of £250k for each club.

 

As a back-of-a-fag-packet calculation, I reckon we'd be looking at the following:

 

Assuming a sell-out, there's about 1500 corporate seats (including boxes), where you'd expect people to be paying upwards of £150 per head. That's £225k.

 

That leaves about 30000 seats at an average price of about £20 (taking into account junior/senior/student/teen discounts), which is another £600k.

 

40% of that is £330k.

 

Add a potential £250k for a televised game and you're looking at what is effectively a half-million pound bonus for the club.

 

I won't even go into the million-pound-plus potential of a replay...

 

 

 

Knock off a factor of 15/115 for VAT. Sorry, I'll stop being a pedant.

[Whitey Grandad]

Knock off a factor of 15/115 for VAT. Sorry, I'll stop being a pedant.

There's nothing pedantic about that - in fact it's a good point that I, for one, had not thought about. We season-ticket holders paid VAT at the going rate when we renewed, but future tickets will be at the new rate for the rest of this season and part of next, so presumably this means that the club will get slightly bigger income from ticket sales than they were expecting!

[stevegrant]

Knock off a factor of 15/115 for VAT. Sorry, I'll stop being a pedant.

But you're so good at it, Pat

 

Not sure if VAT is payable on broadcasting revenue - for the purposes of an illustration I'll assume it is - but the difference the new VAT rate makes is about £10k on that one match.

[VectisSaint]

The single match could possibly result in a lot of extra revenue for a full house, around £500k I would imagine. Don't forget most league games will be a lot cheaper per seat than this game, where in other less attractive cup ties we have had to slash prices to get attendance. As you say financially it would be far better off up at OT, or a replay even better.

The only problem is that if the match is live on free to air tv and more than likely at an odd time and day, this will cut into the attendance severely. It would not surprise me with these conditions if we only got about a 25000 crowd.

500k, you are having a laugh. Maybe 250k if we have a full house, but I think thats stretching it. As I said gate receipts would be very similar to a league game, the Club has to be very careful about increasing prices much, as they will find the demand is not there at inflated prices. They need to judge it just right to get a full house, it is certainly not a foregone conclusion, especially if Fergie hints at playing the reserves as seems likely. Still, as I said I imagine it will still be a healthy bonus on what we might have got for an away tie against Histon or Forest Green (and we are probably more likely to beat Manure than either of the aforementioned babana skin teams).

[JohnnyFartPants]

Exactly WHY do we HAVE to sell off the very youngsters that are slowly coming together as a TEAM ???

 

My train of thought is this ..

 

Currently, in the CCC, we are averaging circa 15000, which is not enough for us to break even financially

 

So, how can attendances be improved ? Surely by continuing to improve results, to get more points, to move UP the table ...... Success breeds Success etc etc

 

However, it looks as though SFC will embark on a Fire Sale in January, to get monies in ....... but to what end is that ??

 

First and foremost, it will considerably weaken the Team yet again, and Jan will have to soldier on with whatever is left. That will most likely mean a down turn in results, which will mean a further downturn in attendance levels

 

We are led to believe that there must be a "Cull", so as to get monies for Barclays .... but how true IS that....... Assuming we are circa £4.5M overdrawn, it will take about three players to accumalate that ( bear in mind, the BUYER calls the shots, because WE are the paupers) ..... At best, it may clear the overdraft, but it will NOT improve the Club as a whole

 

Indeed, I think it will be false economy. A January Sale will only WEAKEN the Team, jeopardise the rest of our season, and guarentee that gates will fall even lower than they are now ( bar the Man Utd match of course )

 

Unfortunately, IMHO, our Football Club is run 1000% as a Business, with NEVER a thought about the PRODUCT, ie Football

 

It would be far better to let Poortvliet concentrate on the potentially very good TEAM he is getting to perform, move us up the CCC table , and see gates climb to circa 25000 again.

 

But, alas, under our present Regime, it will not happen

 

Why is Gordon Brown talking of bringing back children to sweep chimneys? It is an outrage. Okay, he hasn't, but equally he might and if he does, here is my pointless rant about it. What an idiot he is, if he did it, obviously.

 

I am considering not paying any bills on my property for the next few months and will simply tell all the people who want paying that things will probably improve if you let me not pay you and the future will be so much more rosey. They are bound to be happy about that, so everyone is a winner.

[Fowllyd]

Can someone - anyone - please explain why Richmond puts one of these on every single one of his posts?

[RinNY]

Exactly WHY do we HAVE to sell off the very youngsters that are slowly coming together as a TEAM ???

 

My train of thought is this ..

 

Currently, in the CCC, we are averaging circa 15000, which is not enough for us to break even financially

 

So, how can attendances be improved ? Surely by continuing to improve results, to get more points, to move UP the table ...... Success breeds Success etc etc

 

However, it looks as though SFC will embark on a Fire Sale in January, to get monies in ....... but to what end is that ??

 

First and foremost, it will considerably weaken the Team yet again, and Jan will have to soldier on with whatever is left. That will most likely mean a down turn in results, which will mean a further downturn in attendance levels

 

We are led to believe that there must be a "Cull", so as to get monies for Barclays .... but how true IS that....... Assuming we are circa £4.5M overdrawn, it will take about three players to accumalate that ( bear in mind, the BUYER calls the shots, because WE are the paupers) ..... At best, it may clear the overdraft, but it will NOT improve the Club as a whole

 

Indeed, I think it will be false economy. A January Sale will only WEAKEN the Team, jeopardise the rest of our season, and guarentee that gates will fall even lower than they are now ( bar the Man Utd match of course )

 

Unfortunately, IMHO, our Football Club is run 1000% as a Business, with NEVER a thought about the PRODUCT, ie Football

 

It would be far better to let Poortvliet concentrate on the potentially very good TEAM he is getting to perform, move us up the CCC table , and see gates climb to circa 25000 again.

 

But, alas, under our present Regime, it will not happen

 

 

You start with a fallacy that negates your post and this thread: the bald assumption that we have to sell the youngsters and that they will be sold. That is not an established fact at all; no-one who actually knows the decision making process and is in on it has said that the youngsters will be sold. There is no definite info that any offers have even been made, or will be made. All there is, is rumour and speculation, much of it around here of the doom and gloom/Lowe-hating & Lowe-bashing variety to which you evidently belong.

 

Now, maybe one or more of our better young players will be sold; maybe not. On that basis you could debate the needs & merits of selling/keeping any particular player(s), or our young players generally. The club has, after all, financial issues that need to be addressed, and presumably only the likes of Lowe, Wilde, Cowen, & Jones know exactly where we stand in that respect, what the bank is willing to go along with, and so on.

 

There is one fact of life for clubs outside the big 4, however: if a really high and attractive offer comes in for one of our players from a big club, that player is gone. Makes no difference who is charge, what they prefer to do, whether they are fans or "just in it as a business" ... the player is gone. That is a fact of modern football, demonstrated over and over. Because if a big club comes in with a very good offer, the player will want to go and the money will be irresistible. You may not like it, but it makes no sense to blame the present or any other regime for a systemic issue.

[Matt SFC]

Lets not forget about 32,000 individual purchases of a yorkie, walkers crisps and two cans of coke.

[mcjwills]

Wonder how much man utd tickets will cost though? They know the attendence will be v big regardless, so they could really rip us off. I'd hope for no more than 32 really. But I wouldn't be surprised to see them up around the 40 mark.

 

 

Being a season ticket holder that has kept this club going by my continued support, if they try to charge £32.00 - £40.00 for the game, I for one will stay at home and watch it on TV as I would classify that as a rip off of the loyalty that I have given this club in desperate times, and I would seriously consider my position for next year, whether to renew the ticket, there is taking the **** and TAKING THE ****.

Edited 1 December, 2008 by mcjwills

[buctootim]

Lets not forget about 32,000 individual purchases of a yorkie, walkers crisps and two cans of coke.

 

Sorry to throw a spanner in the calculations, but if its a cold day I'll be having hot chocolate, not coke.

[70's Mike]

Being a season ticket holder that has kept this club going by my continued support, if they try to charge £32.00 - £40.00 for the game, I for one will stay at home and watch it on TV as I would classify that as a rip off of the loyalty that I have given this club in desperate times, and I would seriously consider my position for next year, whether to renew the ticket, there is taking the **** and TAKING THE ****.

 

agreed

i was thinking what would my limit be, handed them best part of £800 9 months ago for 3 season tickets and see this as a chance for Wilde/Lowe to reward that committment

[saintwarwick]

I thought the split was 33% to FA, 33% to Saints and 33% to Man U

 

The FA don't get anything unless it is a replay. Gate receipts as follows:

 

3rd, 4th, 5th and 6th round both clubs get 45% with 10% going to the cup pool.

 

If a replay is required then the clubs get 42.5%, 10% to the cup pool and 5% to the FA.

 

There are bills to be paid out of the gate receipts before the final amount is distributed such as VAT, travelling expenses of the travelling club, the fees and expenses of the match officials, police, first aiders, match day workers ie stewards etc, floodlighting.

 

Other potential money to be earned is as follows:

 

£75k to the winners of the tie.

£160k for a live broadcast whether on ITV ot Sultana.

£80k for a live replay broadcast.

£7.5k for highlights.

£9k for a full match on BBC radio.

£4.5k for half a match on BBC radio.

£2.25k for a quarter match on BBC radio.

[saintwarwick]

Can someone - anyone - please explain why Richmond puts one of these on every single one of his posts?

 

Perhaps he thinks it's cool to do so.

[Tamesaint]

As far as gate receipts are concerned it's probably no different from a normal league game where we keep all the takings.

 

Yes - but for a normal league game, over two thirds of the crowd are season ticket holders who have already paid for their tickets. The extra revenue that the club receives from playing that game is small.

 

For a cup game everyone has to pay. That's 15,000 extra tickets sold (our half of the gate). Assuming it is not budgeted for (and a prudent man like Rupert would not have expected a home tie v Man U) it is pure win.

[saint_ed]

1000% ???

 

We're ****ed.

[Whitey Grandad]

Yes - but for a normal league game, over two thirds of the crowd are season ticket holders who have already paid for their tickets. The extra revenue that the club receives from playing that game is small.

 

For a cup game everyone has to pay. That's 15,000 extra tickets sold (our half of the gate). Assuming it is not budgeted for (and a prudent man like Rupert would not have expected a home tie v Man U) it is pure win.

Good point! I forgot that I would have to dip into my own pocket.

[JohnnyFartPants]

Being a season ticket holder that has kept this club going by my continued support, if they try to charge £32.00 - £40.00 for the game, I for one will stay at home and watch it on TV as I would classify that as a rip off of the loyalty that I have given this club in desperate times, and I would seriously consider my position for next year, whether to renew the ticket, there is taking the **** and TAKING THE ****.

 

Top Speech!

[Big Bad Bob]

Being a season ticket holder that has kept this club going by my continued support, if they try to charge £32.00 - £40.00 for the game, I for one will stay at home and watch it on TV as I would classify that as a rip off of the loyalty that I have given this club in desperate times, and I would seriously consider my position for next year, whether to renew the ticket, there is taking the **** and TAKING THE ****.

 

But now it's on Setunta, so that's 12x£15pm subscription fees (if you haven't already got it), equating to £180.

 

Cheaper to go to the game methinks.

[John B]

Yes - but for a normal league game, over two thirds of the crowd are season ticket holders who have already paid for their tickets. The extra revenue that the club receives from playing that game is small.

 

For a cup game everyone has to pay. That's 15,000 extra tickets sold (our half of the gate). Assuming it is not budgeted for (and a prudent man like Rupert would not have expected a home tie v Man U) it is pure win.

 

It is not a true pure win as if we got a winnable 3rd tie we could of possibly earned more money in the long run.

 

It would have been better to have had this tie in round 4 or 5 I would have thought

[Wade Garrett]

But now it's on Setunta, so that's 12x£15pm subscription fees (if you haven't already got it), equating to £180.

 

Cheaper to go to the game methinks.

 

 

Cheaper to go to the pub.

[St Landrew]

...My train of thought is this ..

 

Currently, in the CCC, we are averaging circa 15000, which is not enough for us to break even financially

 

So, how can attendances be improved ? Surely by continuing to improve results, to get more points, to move UP the table ...... Success breeds Success etc etc

 

However, it looks as though SFC will embark on a Fire Sale in January, to get monies in ....... but to what end is that ??

 

First and foremost, it will considerably weaken the Team yet again, and Jan will have to soldier on with whatever is left. That will most likely mean a down turn in results, which will mean a further downturn in attendance levels...

 

 

You know that. I know that. We've ALWAYS known that. But back in 2003, Rupert apparently didn't know that. And it appears he still doesn't know that.

[Frank's cousin]

NOt quite sure about the hysteria - the problem would not appear to be the overdraft, but the continued 'growth of the overdraft' ege expentidure continuing to be greater than income - Now this is apparently a lot lower than it was but effectively the debt is still growingbut be a smaller amount each year.

 

Do we have to sell the kids? NO we may be ASKED/TOLD by the bank to realise some assets in oder to underwrite the growth in losses - The club would have NO choice if teh bank would like us to reduce the overall size of the OD facilty - The bank are also not stupid - the last thing they would want is administration, afterall they make their money by servicing our debt, but they do want to minimise theie exposed risk - If they see the income falling, as in lower gate receipts and no prospect of this increasing, they will demand the asset sale.

 

Now what these assets sold are will depend on many factors - 1) What someone is offering, 2) the current wages etc. We may not have to sell the kids - in fact I would suggest these are the LAST players LOwe would want to sell, whatever some may think he does believe in the youth development policy, he would much rather sell off the older high earners, Rasiak, John, Saga etc - reduce the wage bill and get some money in etc.

 

However its never that simple. NO one may want those players, or the value of offeres may be insignificant so we may need to sell them PLUS one of the better kids.... or an offer might come in for one of the kids at 3-4 mil and we only need to sell ONE of them to keep things stable with the bank... or the top kids may be unsettled by Agent w@nkers - the old - 'can get you 20K a week at a prem club - you could get injured ...carreer ...blah, blah blah...' so they want to go.

 

But of course, if any of them leave it will be blamed on the board...as usual. My hope would be that we are able to off load the older high wage earners and this together with the Cup cash will allow us to maintain the young squad till the end of the seaosn at least - what next season brings who knows, but thats another matter.

 

We know that mistakes by the board contributed to relegation, we know mistakes by those who superseeded them contributed to our current financial situation, one risked on mangagers, one risked spending to get promted - both risky, both failed. NOTHING WE CAN DO ABOUT THAT NOW. We have this board, and this situation and the club will need to deal with that and ensure the bank maintains the best possible support ... and if that means exit of players sobeit.

 

Alternative owner/baord will make feck all difference unless they are load... and when was the last time we interested a seriously loaded potential owner? No the rumoured takeover currently seems to be another case of potential change of ownership without any additional funds - or fund made availabe by alternative forms of debt - so the result is the same.... the only way we get out this hole is promotion or increasing revenues through other means - the Gate and realistically we simply dont have the level of support necessary to sustain a full ground in this division and with the current level of success, no matter how much some of us might like the style of play.

 

 

But , please for once can we acknowledge that whatever happens in Jan , the last playesr Lowe WANTs to sell is the kids, but he may not have that choice.

[Whitey Grandad]

Surely, if we pay lots of money to run an academy in order to produce players that we can then sell at a profit, then there will inevitably be a revolving door of young players being brought into the squad and then sold on once they have gained enough experience. That means no stability in the team, mistakes through inexperience and no players that the young supporters can identify with.