Appy Posted 20 May, 2013 Share Posted 20 May, 2013 I wouldn't go that far. We've got a decent first XI but little quality depth beneath that. A lot of people got very excited about our decent run of form a month or so ago and thought that a top half finish was inevitable. The reality is for us to finish top half we would need all of our first XI to stay fit and in form for the entire season, never going to happen. People point to our poor start and use the adapting to the premier league excuse for this, yet we've only taken 4 points from our last 6 games, so our recent form is only a bit better than when we were supposedly adapting to the premier league. We've played some good stuff at times this season but we need some quality additions in almost every position if we're going to push into the top half. Completely agree with all of this, for the vast majority of the season, i'm going to sound like Harry Redknapp now, but our bench was barely midtable Championship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 20 May, 2013 Share Posted 20 May, 2013 I wouldn't go that far. We've got a decent first XI but little quality depth beneath that. A lot of people got very excited about our decent run of form a month or so ago and thought that a top half finish was inevitable. The reality is for us to finish top half we would need all of our first XI to stay fit and in form for the entire season, never going to happen. People point to our poor start and use the adapting to the premier league excuse for this, yet we've only taken 4 points from our last 6 games, so our recent form is only a bit better than when we were supposedly adapting to the premier league. We've played some good stuff at times this season but we need some quality additions in almost every position if we're going to push into the top half. Are you saying our last six games was like our start? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 20 May, 2013 Share Posted 20 May, 2013 Are you saying our last six games was like our start? Not that different. Some good performances, some crap ones and not many points or goals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 20 May, 2013 Share Posted 20 May, 2013 or goals. Saints scored 10 goals in their first 6 league games this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 20 May, 2013 Share Posted 20 May, 2013 Saints scored 10 goals in their first 6 league games this season. So on that score we've done a lot worse recently without having the 'adapting to the premier league' excuse. Thanks for proving my point, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 20 May, 2013 Share Posted 20 May, 2013 So on that score we've done a lot worse recently without having the 'adapting to the premier league' excuse. Thanks for proving my point, Umm... I disproved your point. You said Saints didn't score many goals in the opening 6 games, I showed they did. In any case although Saints scored 10 goals in those games, Adkins had us far too open and we conceded 18 goals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 20 May, 2013 Share Posted 20 May, 2013 So on that score we've done a lot worse recently without having the 'adapting to the premier league' excuse. Thanks for proving my point, You'd certainly be hard pushed to argue that 4 points against West Ham, Swansea, WBA, Tottenham, Sunderland & Stoke is a decent progression and transformation from 3 points against Manchester City, Wigan, Manchester United, Arsenal, Aston Villa and Everton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 20 May, 2013 Share Posted 20 May, 2013 Umm... I disproved your point. You said Saints didn't score many goals in the opening 6 games, I showed they did. In any case although Saints scored 10 goals in those games, Adkins had us far too open and we conceded 18 goals. Read the post in its entirity and stop being a helmet if that's possible. Our form wasn't good at the start of the season and it isn't good now. By highlighting that we've in fact scored less goals now than at the start of the season it only reinforces my point that this squad isn't good enough for the top half as some parts of our game have been worse than at the start of the season when the 'adapting to the premier league' card was played, by yourself amongst others, so yes, you've proved my point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 20 May, 2013 Share Posted 20 May, 2013 (edited) Not that different. Some good performances, some crap ones and not many points or goals. Don't know-thought we were much more solid and confident in the last six. At the start, we could have been blown apart at any time, especially away from home. By the end of the season, we were putting ourselves in more positions where we could pick up points and possibly win games. Edited 20 May, 2013 by shurlock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 20 May, 2013 Share Posted 20 May, 2013 Umm... I disproved your point. You said Saints didn't score many goals in the opening 6 games, I showed they did. In any case although Saints scored 10 goals in those games, Adkins had us far too open and we conceded 18 goals. So we've "progressed" and "adapted" from scoring goals and letting in loads to tightening up, but scoring hardly any goals. Neither route resulted in a successful start or finish to the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 20 May, 2013 Share Posted 20 May, 2013 So those rumours were pretty good weren't they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 20 May, 2013 Share Posted 20 May, 2013 (edited) You'd certainly be hard pushed to argue that 4 points against West Ham, Swansea, WBA, Tottenham, Sunderland & Stoke is a decent progression and transformation from 3 points against Manchester City, Wigan, Manchester United, Arsenal, Aston Villa and Everton. Also don't forget the saviours of our season or at least they were around November time, Cork and Shaw, didn't feature in those early games but did in the latter. Edited 20 May, 2013 by Turkish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 20 May, 2013 Share Posted 20 May, 2013 (edited) Read the post in its entirity and stop being a helmet if that's possible. Our form wasn't good at the start of the season and it isn't good now. By highlighting that we've in fact scored less goals now than at the start of the season it only reinforces my point that this squad isn't good enough for the top half as some parts of our game have been worse than at the start of the season when the 'adapting to the premier league' card was played, by yourself amongst others, so yes, you've proved my point. Also don't forget the saviours of our season or at least they were around November time, Cork and Shaw, didn't feature opinion those early games but did in the latter. - In the first 10 games of the season whilst Saints were adapting to a new league Saints average 0.4 points per game, over the course of a 38 game season that would be 15 points and obviously would result in 20th place. - In the 28 Premier League games since the beginning of November when Shaw and Cork started playing Saints have averaged 1.32 points per game, over the course of a 38 game season that will be 50 points and would have been enough for 8th place. Next season we won't need to adapt to the Premier League in the opening 10 games, that has already happened. Edited 20 May, 2013 by Matthew Le God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 20 May, 2013 Share Posted 20 May, 2013 Umm... I disproved your point. You said Saints didn't score many goals in the opening 6 games, I showed they did. In any case although Saints scored 10 goals in those games, Adkins had us far too open and we conceded 18 goals. Stop being dramatic you know the point he was trying to make, point is we have had a pretty abject end to the season and have been pretty poor in front of goal despite controlling games. Nice to hear the info crabby Did he say anything about the fact we have just bought 3 more fields around staplewood ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 20 May, 2013 Share Posted 20 May, 2013 Did he say anything about the fact we have just bought 3 more fields around staplewood ? Now that's interesting. Do you have a source for that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 20 May, 2013 Share Posted 20 May, 2013 Don't know-thought we were much more solid and confident in the last six. At the start, we were lightweight as if we could be blown apart at any time, especially away from home. By the end of the season, we were putting ourselves in more positions where we could pick up points and possibly win games. We put in some very good performances in the first ten games Man U, Man City, Villa and also some poor ones and didn't get many points. This whilst our season saviours were not playing and we still had the adapting to the premier league card to play. Now with a fully fit squad and having adapted to the premier league we've put in some decent performances, some poor ones and not got many results, we may be more solid but we're scoring less. Our recent form proves my point, as I have maintained all season, that this squad isn't a top half one. I know you like argue that it is and if we ignore the first ten games, the last 6, the QPR game, the Sunderland game and the Newcastle and Wigan away ones and we're as good as Everton across the rest, but unfortunately the league table doesn't work like mboards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 20 May, 2013 Share Posted 20 May, 2013 - In the first 10 games of the season whilst Saints were adapting to a new league Saints average 0.4 points per game, over the course of a 38 game season that would be 15 points and obviously would result in 20th place. - In the 28 Premier League games since the beginning of November when Shaw and Cork started playing Saints have averaged 1.32 points per game, over the course of a 38 game season that will be 50 points and would have been enough for 8th place. Next season we won't need to adapt to the Premier League in the opening 10 games, that has already happened. My god Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 20 May, 2013 Share Posted 20 May, 2013 - In the first 10 games of the season whilst Saints were adapting to a new league Saints average 0.4 points per game, over the course of a 38 game season that would be 15 points and obviously would result in 20th place. - In the 28 Premier League games since the beginning of November when Shaw and Cork started playing Saints have averaged 1.32 points per game, over the course of a 38 game season that will be 50 points and would have been enough for 8th place. Next season we won't need to adapt to the Premier League in the opening 10 games, that has already happened. How do you explain the form in the last 6 which is relegation form? I thought we'd adapted to the premier league? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 20 May, 2013 Share Posted 20 May, 2013 My god It really is quite incredible to behold just how much of an ignorant arse he is at times! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 20 May, 2013 Share Posted 20 May, 2013 Now that's interesting. Do you have a source for that? Trust me, we have, I have seen the plans and been asked how to do certain works Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 20 May, 2013 Share Posted 20 May, 2013 Trust me, we have, I have seen the plans and been asked how to do certain works Is it for a monkey chicken petting zoo? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 20 May, 2013 Share Posted 20 May, 2013 Trust me, we have, I have seen the plans and been asked how to do certain works Proof? Where is the Proof?!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lallana's Left Peg Posted 20 May, 2013 Share Posted 20 May, 2013 Appreciate that they are just rumours and I don't want to dispel them but isn't St Marys already a UEFA 4 Star stadium which means it can host European matches etc? And on that basis we wouldn't need £1m+ of stadium revisions to attain a status we've already achieved? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UEFA_stadium_categories http://www.worldstadiumdatabase.com/list-of-uefa-4-star-stadiums.htm http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St_Mary's_Stadium Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 20 May, 2013 Share Posted 20 May, 2013 It really is quite incredible to behold just how much of an ignorant arse he is at times! SFC savant. Fu.cked with anything outside of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Posted 20 May, 2013 Share Posted 20 May, 2013 So those rumours were pretty good weren't they? Great rumours agreed - but children will be children Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 20 May, 2013 Share Posted 20 May, 2013 - In the first 10 games of the season whilst Saints were adapting to a new league Saints average 0.4 points per game, over the course of a 38 game season that would be 15 points and obviously would result in 20th place. - In the 28 Premier League games since the beginning of November when Shaw and Cork started playing Saints have averaged 1.32 points per game, over the course of a 38 game season that will be 50 points and would have been enough for 8th place. Next season we won't need to adapt to the Premier League in the opening 10 games, that has already happened. My god It really is quite incredible to behold just how much of an ignorant arse he is at times! And what exactly was "ignorant" about my post? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 20 May, 2013 Share Posted 20 May, 2013 (edited) Is it for a monkey chicken petting zoo? I dont get quite that involved, just try to make sure the chicken monkeys dont electrocute themselves. But we have bought the fields, and have been asked to remove the power lines, have not seen any plans for what they are doing yet but seen updated plans for the new dome etc as thats all changed which was what caused the contractor hold ups etc Edited 20 May, 2013 by Smirking_Saint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 20 May, 2013 Share Posted 20 May, 2013 We put in some very good performances in the first ten games Man U, Man City, Villa and also some poor ones and didn't get many points. This whilst our season saviours were not playing and we still had the adapting to the premier league card to play. Now with a fully fit squad and having adapted to the premier league we've put in some decent performances, some poor ones and not got many results, we may be more solid but we're scoring less. Our recent form proves my point, as I have maintained all season, that this squad isn't a top half one. I know you like argue that it is and if we ignore the first ten games, the last 6, the QPR game, the Sunderland game and the Newcastle and Wigan away ones and we're as good as Everton across the rest, but unfortunately the league table doesn't work like mboards. I would have taken our end over our start any day of the week - certainly know which team the opposition would have preferred to play. Never made any assumptions or predictions where we would finish -frankly couldn't care less as long as we stayed up. The fact is that we have improved over the course of the season -precisely why people are so disappointed with our lacklustre finish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 20 May, 2013 Share Posted 20 May, 2013 And what exactly was "ignorant" about my post? Just your usual penchant for entirely missing the point, young Matthew. In any case I have no wish to converse furthery tonight, your post just made me chuckle. You knock 'em out, champ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dan abnormal Posted 20 May, 2013 Share Posted 20 May, 2013 i can't see how people can just completely discredit the opening 10 games where we were appaling and try to simply attribute it to "adapting".we could have and should have taken more points in those opening 10 games. we are a midtable team , midtable teams generally go through quite drastic changes in form ,norwich and stoke being good example this season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 20 May, 2013 Share Posted 20 May, 2013 (edited) Did he say anything about the fact we have just bought 3 more fields around staplewood? We have bought the fields, and have been asked to remove the power lines, have not seen any plans for what they are doing yet but seen updated plans for the new dome etc as thats all changed which was what caused the contractor hold ups etc No plans on the New Forest District council planning website for either them or the new training dome as of yet. So three of the four fields north of the A326 are now Saints'... How it will look when finished... (but with a new training dome and extra pitches ontop of what is shown here) Edited 20 May, 2013 by Matthew Le God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 20 May, 2013 Share Posted 20 May, 2013 i can't see how people can just completely discredit the opening 10 games where we were appaling and try to simply attribute it to "adapting".we could have and should have taken more points in those opening 10 games. we are a midtable team , midtable teams generally go through quite drastic changes in form ,norwich and stoke being good example this season Pretty much. Our finishing position is pretty much on the money for us squad wise. As someone has already mentioned previously, the mid-table clubs can go on some stonking unbeaten runs (Norwich, Stoke etc) but they're also just as likely to not win in 10, which is what happened We're all mid-table for a reason, mainly because we've shown promise and have a good first 11 - but injuries and suspensions will knock our form and the other mid-table sides. Bigger squads and more depth will aid progression up the league. It's a little too easy to be flippant and say ''We were only 4 points off 10th, that's nothing. If we play like we have, we will finish there without stregenthing". The issue people seem to ignore is that of consistency, and squad size, we may touch 10th at one stage, but we'd need to have a season where all of our current 11 stay fit and on form for 38 games, which is actually impossible. So, even though it's only a ''small'' points gap, we'd still need to significantly add to the depth of the squad to achieve a higher finish. Don't get me wrong, I think we've done great this year to settle down as we have. Just that we can't rest on our laurels, and if we really want to progress how they're saying, then we'd need to add a bit more depth to the squad. Sorry to take this off tangent, good rumours by the way Crabs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sussexsaint Posted 20 May, 2013 Share Posted 20 May, 2013 So to go back to the OP , would the purchase of these fields come under 'off the field' or 'on the field' expenditure. It's not my field Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 20 May, 2013 Share Posted 20 May, 2013 No plans on the New Forest District council for either them or the new training dome as of yet. So three of the four fields north of the A326 are now Saints'... How it will look when finished... (but with a new training dome and extra pitches ontop of what is shown here) Cant remember exact ones, Ill see if I can grab plans this week but definately the next one along long lane, and three others. And yes a new dome etc and think they have moved some buildings around, cant remember off the top of my head Ill hsve another look at some point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo-Saint Posted 20 May, 2013 Share Posted 20 May, 2013 How do you explain the form in the last 6 which is relegation form? I thought we'd adapted to the premier league? We over adapted and started playing champions league football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 20 May, 2013 Share Posted 20 May, 2013 We over adapted and started playing champions league football. You've hit the nail on the head! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 20 May, 2013 Share Posted 20 May, 2013 In relation to the OP, do people think Cortese means Europa or Champions League when talking about Europe? Can't imagine that he would be interested in the Europa Cup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo-Saint Posted 20 May, 2013 Share Posted 20 May, 2013 For champs league it will need to some serious ££££. Look at how much spurs have spent and apart from one flirtation, they are not there yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 20 May, 2013 Share Posted 20 May, 2013 For champs league it will need to some serious ££££. Look at how much spurs have spent and apart from one flirtation, they are not there yet. Has a lack of bear allowed you to wander freely onto the main board ? What the hell are you doing man ?!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 20 May, 2013 Share Posted 20 May, 2013 Yea it would take an eye watering amount for Champions League, but does making the Europa League merit all this susposed investment and infrastructure? Wigan will be in it next year and teams like Millwall, Middlesborough and Cardiff have competed in it in recent years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo-Saint Posted 20 May, 2013 Share Posted 20 May, 2013 Has a lack of bear allowed you to wander freely onto the main board ? What the hell are you doing man ?!? I'm lost smirkers, I don't mind admitting it. I'm over on bore 606, I'm here, I'm talking about football manager with MLG. I'm like the littlest hobo. Charlet, just bring bear back FFS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 20 May, 2013 Share Posted 20 May, 2013 Yea it would take an eye watering amount for Champions League, but does making the Europa League merit all this susposed investment and infrastructure? Wigan will be in it next year and teams like Millwall, Middlesborough and Cardiff have competed in it in recent years. If we have serious backing, then why not give it a go. But we'd need a hell of a lot of signings to be honest! Who knows what the ambition is though, we may all be surprised by the level of players we end up signing this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 20 May, 2013 Share Posted 20 May, 2013 I'm lost smirkers, I don't mind admitting it. I'm over on bore 606, I'm here, I'm talking about football manager with MLG. I'm like the littlest hobo. Charlet, just bring bear back FFS. Just be careful tokes, your close to me shouting you down with cries of my coaching badges, MLG badly quoting and blindly arguing having only read the first sentance or Roger having a meltdown as Lambert hasnt returned his calls. You need to know these waters pal, its trecherous. I had you down as more Dora the explorer than the littlest Hobo mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo-Saint Posted 20 May, 2013 Share Posted 20 May, 2013 I had you down as more Dora the explorer Which one of us is ghey again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 20 May, 2013 Share Posted 20 May, 2013 Which one of us is ghey again? You do have a lovely backpack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlakeySFC Posted 20 May, 2013 Share Posted 20 May, 2013 I can't be bothered to type everything up now but here's a few interesting snippets from a conversation I had earlier. * Cortese wants Europe within 2 seasons * He's going to splash to cash both on and off the field * Firstly, expect a couple of big signings (don't know when, but he's going to really go for it) * £1m will be spent on revamping the corporate/media side of things to be aligned with European football, for example, the ground must have 40 different camera angles for European matches (I don't know the rules/regs on this, but that's what I was told) * If we qualify for Europe the stadium will be expanded, with an additional tier added to the Kingsland. I'm sure there was more I was told but I can't remember all of it right now. Enjoy, take the p1ss, do what you want with it! Thanks for the info Crab Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 20 May, 2013 Share Posted 20 May, 2013 Pretty much. Our finishing position is pretty much on the money for us squad wise. As someone has already mentioned previously, the mid-table clubs can go on some stonking unbeaten runs (Norwich, Stoke etc) but they're also just as likely to not win in 10, which is what happened We're all mid-table for a reason, mainly because we've shown promise and have a good first 11 - but injuries and suspensions will knock our form and the other mid-table sides. Bigger squads and more depth will aid progression up the league. It's a little too easy to be flippant and say ''We were only 4 points off 10th, that's nothing. If we play like we have, we will finish there without stregenthing". The issue people seem to ignore is that of consistency, and squad size, we may touch 10th at one stage, but we'd need to have a season where all of our current 11 stay fit and on form for 38 games, which is actually impossible. So, even though it's only a ''small'' points gap, we'd still need to significantly add to the depth of the squad to achieve a higher finish. Don't get me wrong, I think we've done great this year to settle down as we have. Just that we can't rest on our laurels, and if we really want to progress how they're saying, then we'd need to add a bit more depth to the squad. Sorry to take this off tangent, good rumours by the way Crabs. Very well said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 21 May, 2013 Share Posted 21 May, 2013 Proof? Where is the Proof?!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 21 May, 2013 Share Posted 21 May, 2013 Pretty much. Our finishing position is pretty much on the money for us squad wise. As someone has already mentioned previously, the mid-table clubs can go on some stonking unbeaten runs (Norwich, Stoke etc) but they're also just as likely to not win in 10, which is what happened We're all mid-table for a reason, mainly because we've shown promise and have a good first 11 - but injuries and suspensions will knock our form and the other mid-table sides. Bigger squads and more depth will aid progression up the league. It's a little too easy to be flippant and say ''We were only 4 points off 10th, that's nothing. If we play like we have, we will finish there without stregenthing". The issue people seem to ignore is that of consistency, and squad size, we may touch 10th at one stage, but we'd need to have a season where all of our current 11 stay fit and on form for 38 games, which is actually impossible. So, even though it's only a ''small'' points gap, we'd still need to significantly add to the depth of the squad to achieve a higher finish. Don't get me wrong, I think we've done great this year to settle down as we have. Just that we can't rest on our laurels, and if we really want to progress how they're saying, then we'd need to add a bit more depth to the squad. Sorry to take this off tangent, good rumours by the way Crabs. Good post as always S-Clarke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tajjuk Posted 21 May, 2013 Share Posted 21 May, 2013 Not sure why people are comparing our first 10 game and our last 6, like comparing Chalk and Cheese. The team was all over the place at times in the first 10 defending like clowns. Last 6 we had an off day against WBA, but aside from that we have looked very solid and controlled most games but in reality haven't taken our chances to win games. As for our current squad if the first XI were all fit and on form then they'd be good enough for top 8, in reality though we need better alternatives to Hooiveld, Fox, Gazza, Chaplow, Guly etc. who have made appearances this season so we can rest the likes of Lambert, Morgan, Cork and Shaw. Hopefully this info in the OP will see us first off not sell anyone, and then add 3-4 players that can challenge for a first team place/improve on what we have. With that then a top 8 spot is within our grasp. I think to finish in the top 6 we would need a Lukaku level season from a player, who knows maybe Gaston? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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