Barry Sanchez Posted 16 February, 2014 Share Posted 16 February, 2014 a less successful one? I ask this due to the recent complete lack of respect shown by the club at actually winning something, I dont think many could complain if we put out our best side played awfully and lost as there would be no excuse. For a club our size we should unless at this stage of the season struggling in the League make the Cup a priority over the League. So back to the point is there another club in this Country that has such fantastic support and size and yet has achieved so little in terms of silverware. Please dont turn this into a thread about trolling etc etc as this is a genuine question that deserve merit as yesterday had shown do the club actually want to win trophies or do their priorities lie solely with the Premier League and the position we finish? If so they should be fair and honest and tell us of their intentions as we would be buying a product as they call it undr false pretences. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldskoolsi Posted 16 February, 2014 Share Posted 16 February, 2014 Norwich, Coventry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldskoolsi Posted 16 February, 2014 Share Posted 16 February, 2014 Charlton are similar, Fulham, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 16 February, 2014 Author Share Posted 16 February, 2014 Coventry won the Cup in 87 so the same, Norwich? Possibly the same size, Charlton have won more than us and are smaller in size I would say now, Fulham smaller club than us again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 16 February, 2014 Share Posted 16 February, 2014 But what is "our size" ? Is it the size that we all believe it to be historically, perhaps with a moderate uplift thanks to the Liebherr input , or is it the club of Cortese dreamland ? Personally I think 6 - 10th in the Premiership is probably our realistic potential "weight", so Norwich ( one League Cup), Coventry (one FA Cup), Forest (no need to list them), Leicester ( a couple of League Cups I think). 27 top flight years - no trophies (excl the Daily Express 5-a-side) is not an impressive return, although a number of those years were of course tremendous achievements just staying where we were. Just simply does not register on the honours board. Things are different now - stadium no longer the limiting factor, resources etc.Need to add to the honours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 16 February, 2014 Share Posted 16 February, 2014 Trolling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 16 February, 2014 Author Share Posted 16 February, 2014 We are probably between the 15th and 25th largest club in England depending on lots of factors, we are no where near that in the table for medals won. This is subject to debate but what I feel not is is the fact we have won so little for our size and when the opportunity presents itself to possibly win one we should always take it with both hands, taking 50,000-55,000 approx (an unofficial record for one clubs attendance) to the JPT says an awful lot of how this club craves success. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_football_clubs_in_England_by_major_honours_won Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 16 February, 2014 Author Share Posted 16 February, 2014 Trolling No Wes thats your stock answer to everything you dont like to read, why did you bother coming on here to write that? Dont post on this thread please if you are going to contribute nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Who? Posted 16 February, 2014 Share Posted 16 February, 2014 Stoke, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Who? Posted 16 February, 2014 Share Posted 16 February, 2014 Wolves, Birmingham Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faz Posted 16 February, 2014 Share Posted 16 February, 2014 a less successful one? I ask this due to the recent complete lack of respect shown by the club at actually winning something, I dont think many could complain if we put out our best side played awfully and lost as there would be no excuse. For a club our size we should unless at this stage of the season struggling in the League make the Cup a priority over the League. So back to the point is there another club in this Country that has such fantastic support and size and yet has achieved so little in terms of silverware. Please dont turn this into a thread about trolling etc etc as this is a genuine question that deserve merit as yesterday had shown do the club actually want to win trophies or do their priorities lie solely with the Premier League and the position we finish? If so they should be fair and honest and tell us of their intentions as we would be buying a product as they call it undr false pretences. No. You're definitely supporting the wrong club if its success you're after. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 16 February, 2014 Share Posted 16 February, 2014 Well the 'paint pot' is not exactly one of football's more prestigious trophies, but it was a bloody good day out at the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 16 February, 2014 Author Share Posted 16 February, 2014 Wolves, Birmingham Wolves are probably bigger than us and have won more, Birmingham and Stoke smaller. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 16 February, 2014 Author Share Posted 16 February, 2014 No. You're definitely supporting the wrong club if its success you're after. I want us to try 100% to achieve a trophy, there is a huge difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Who? Posted 16 February, 2014 Share Posted 16 February, 2014 Wolves are probably bigger than us and have won more, Birmingham and Stoke smaller. What are be basing this bigger and smaller on? I think the goalposts move all the time and then you have to take history into account. Skates? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 16 February, 2014 Author Share Posted 16 February, 2014 What are be basing this bigger and smaller on? I think the goalposts move all the time and then you have to take history into account. Skates? They are smaller than us (have been for the last 30/40 years) but more successful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Who? Posted 16 February, 2014 Share Posted 16 February, 2014 Also surely it is about now. We had the chance to progress in the cup and we did not take it. We might then have got Wigan or Man City. I just hope that the club know what they are doing. Surely a cup run is much better for the club in the media than a couple of league positions. Also the money from a cup run is pretty good and if you get to the final all the extra merchandise they would shift is amazing. I can only think that the club believe the 6th stop is still possible? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Who? Posted 16 February, 2014 Share Posted 16 February, 2014 They are smaller than us (have been for the last 30/40 years) but more successful. They did completely over spend for what they achieved in recent years! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 16 February, 2014 Author Share Posted 16 February, 2014 They did completely over spend for what they achieved in recent years! Of course but thats another issue of responsible spending, the fact remains rightly or wrongly they won the Cup or bought it, others do it but again thats another issue, this centres on what club the size of ours has won so little, my answer is I can not think of any. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 16 February, 2014 Author Share Posted 16 February, 2014 Also surely it is about now. We had the chance to progress in the cup and we did not take it. We might then have got Wigan or Man City. I just hope that the club know what they are doing. Surely a cup run is much better for the club in the media than a couple of league positions. Also the money from a cup run is pretty good and if you get to the final all the extra merchandise they would shift is amazing. I can only think that the club believe the 6th stop is still possible? Only 5th offers a guaranteed Europa Cup place, why not try it by winning the FA Cup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 16 February, 2014 Share Posted 16 February, 2014 We are probably between the 15th and 25th largest club in England depending on lots of factors, we are no where near that in the table for medals won. This is subject to debate but what I feel not is is the fact we have won so little for our size and when the opportunity presents itself to possibly win one we should always take it with both hands, taking 50,000-55,000 approx (an unofficial record for one clubs attendance) to the JPT says an awful lot of how this club craves success. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_football_clubs_in_England_by_major_honours_won I can see this in more of an historical perspective than most Barry, but I think it is really more about consistancy than just winning cups and titles. True, there was 1976, and the JPT (though a cheap copy of the " biggie" ) it did make a nice day out for the fans). The only time we've actually been Champions (of any League was winning the old third Division in 1959-60)..on all other occasions we came second but still got promoted. Despite the apparant " lack of success" someone noted that (prior to 2005), our record of surviving 27 consecutive seasons in the top flight put us .. 8th in the all time history of clubs. We can note that Arsenal have never been relegated since the current Football League inception in 1921, however they haven't " won " anything in the last 9 seasons. Every club has it's ups-and-downs, but some never seem to come back. Remember " the mighty Leeds" of the 1970's ....and in my youth, one of the greatest clubs was ....Wolverhampton Wanderers. I won't say too much about that team at the eastern end of the M27, :yawn:but they have some very impressive club honours - even if it is ancient history. They may even become the first club who.... having won the League.... and the FA Cup... to be relegated from the Football League entirely. Looking at the " great names " currently in the Prem. Everton (last trophy 1995), Aston Villa 1996.....and Newcastle..(what a cup record they have ) ..last one a trophy.. in 1969. If we survive a few more seasons (in the Prem.) and continue to build.... we may look back at the period 2009-2013, as one of the most impressive in the history of any league club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 16 February, 2014 Share Posted 16 February, 2014 No Wes thats your stock answer to everything you dont like to read, why did you bother coming on here to write that? Dont post on this thread please if you are going to contribute nothing. It isn't my stock answer to anything I don't like to read. It's my opininion that you are one of two or three serial offenders when it comes to this sort of trolling. It is also your habit to post stuff like this and then defend yourself with a pre-emptive clause that nobody is to accuse you of trolling. It really is disingenuous. Anyway, several others have already shot down your assertion in flames with many examples. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 16 February, 2014 Author Share Posted 16 February, 2014 I can see this in more of an historical perspective than most Barry, but I think it is really more about consistancy than just winning cups and titles. True, there was 1976, and the JPT (though a cheap copy of the " biggie" ) it did make a nice day out for the fans). The only time we've actually been Champions (of any League was winning the old third Division in 1959-60)..on all other occasions we came second but still got promoted. Despite the apparant " lack of success" someone noted that (prior to 2005), our record of surviving 27 consecutive seasons in the top flight put us .. 8th in the all time history of clubs. We can note that Arsenal have never been relegated since the current Football League inception in 1921, however they haven't " won " anything in the last 9 seasons. Every club has it's ups-and-downs, but some never seem to come back. Remember " the mighty Leeds" of the 1970's ....and in my youth, one of the greatest clubs was ....Wolverhampton Wanderers. I won't say too much about that team at the eastern end of the M27, :yawn:but they have some very impressive club honours - even if it is ancient history. They may even become the first club who.... having won the League.... and the FA Cup... to be relegated from the Football League entirely. Looking at the " great names " currently in the Prem. Everton (last trophy 1995), Aston Villa 1996.....and Newcastle..(what a cup record they have ) ..last one a trophy.. in 1969. If we survive a few more seasons (in the Prem.) and continue to build.... we may look back at the period 2009-2013, as one of the most impressive in the history of any league club. All well and good but the club and its fans have memories of actually winning and being successful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 16 February, 2014 Author Share Posted 16 February, 2014 It isn't my stock answer to anything I don't like to read. It's my opininion that you are one of two or three serial offenders when it comes to this sort of trolling. It is also your habit to post stuff like this and then defend yourself with a pre-emptive clause that nobody is to accuse you of trolling. It really is disingenuous. Anyway, several others have already shot down your assertion in flames with many examples. Wes can you stick to the thread please, if you are not going to contribute anything once again please dont post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
for_heaven's_Saint Posted 16 February, 2014 Share Posted 16 February, 2014 We're the highest placed in the league of all the clubs our size. We obviously value that more than cups. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melmacian_saint Posted 16 February, 2014 Share Posted 16 February, 2014 Swansea for all the noise have only won last year's cup. I'm not counting the Welsh trophies as they are an FA club and in those trophies matches are mostly vs. amateurs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alanh Posted 16 February, 2014 Share Posted 16 February, 2014 Size can be measured in so many ways that it's almost impossible to match us up against another team. Of those suggested I'd say Norwich, and Stoke are the closest and they have both definitely been less successful than us in terms of time spent in the top division, although similar in terms of cups won and finals reached. So the answer to the question is yes, there are other teams of a similar size to us that could be considered less successful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
austsaint Posted 16 February, 2014 Share Posted 16 February, 2014 Wes can you stick to the thread please, if you are not going to contribute anything once again please dont post. You can't be a ****e/stirrer and moderator at the same time, one or the other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandwichsaint Posted 16 February, 2014 Share Posted 16 February, 2014 It isn't my stock answer to anything I don't like to read. It's my opininion that you are one of two or three serial offenders when it comes to this sort of trolling. It is also your habit to post stuff like this and then defend yourself with a pre-emptive clause that nobody is to accuse you of trolling. It really is disingenuous. Anyway, several others have already shot down your assertion in flames with many examples. Really? Where has anybody named a club of similar size/stature to us who has won so little? They haven't, because there isn't one, if you compile a list of the 20-30 'biggest' clubs in the country they have pretty much all won more than Saints (Norwich might be the only example but I wouldn't have them as currently as 'big' as us, or in a historical 'top 30'). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 16 February, 2014 Author Share Posted 16 February, 2014 Size can be measured in so many ways that it's almost impossible to match us up against another team. Of those suggested I'd say Norwich, and Stoke are the closest and they have both definitely been less successful than us in terms of time spent in the top division, although similar in terms of cups won and finals reached. So the answer to the question is yes, there are other teams of a similar size to us that could be considered less successful. I would say we are larger than Stoke and Norwich similar, they have won two League Cups though so maybe a bit more successful? Closest though probably. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 16 February, 2014 Share Posted 16 February, 2014 Trolling Wes, I may have mentioned this before but this is the only Internet forum in the world that doesn't have any trolls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 16 February, 2014 Share Posted 16 February, 2014 http://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/i-didnt-know-that-popular-bands-without-a-1-single.257496/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 16 February, 2014 Share Posted 16 February, 2014 Wes can you stick to the thread please, if you are not going to contribute anything once again please dont post. Can we assume that you will honour that argument in future as well? You can't go on being the troll like you are and then expect everyone to confirm to your rules on the one occassion that you post something reasonable. Having said that, as usual you have your pre-formed idea anyway and so this becomes just another troll thread. The answer is quite clear that there are several other clubs with similar or worse record to ours and of similar size to us, and so your post has been answered, but as usual, you don't really like to hear that. Who should we blame for this lack of ambition? We went 75 years without an FA Cup Final appearance before Lawrie took us there in 1976, that must make the Club one of the least ambitious clubs in the country. Another 30 years and we were back, albeit in a foreign country, and now its been 9 years since a cup final appearance, most of which time we have spent outside the top flight, and even then we won a trophy, and received two runners-up trophies, not bad really. There is a lot of crap being talked on here about the club not taking yesterday seriously, well as far as I could see the team we put out was just about full strength, bard Davis and Guly, and the team we played put out their reserves almost en bloc. Some people need to get some perspective, and trolls need to wind their neck in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 16 February, 2014 Author Share Posted 16 February, 2014 Can we assume that you will honour that argument in future as well? You can't go on being the troll like you are and then expect everyone to confirm to your rules on the one occassion that you post something reasonable. Having said that, as usual you have your pre-formed idea anyway and so this becomes just another troll thread. The answer is quite clear that there are several other clubs with similar or worse record to ours and of similar size to us, and so your post has been answered, but as usual, you don't really like to hear that. Who should we blame for this lack of ambition? We went 75 years without an FA Cup Final appearance before Lawrie took us there in 1976, that must make the Club one of the least ambitious clubs in the country. Another 30 years and we were back, albeit in a foreign country, and now its been 9 years since a cup final appearance, most of which time we have spent outside the top flight, and even then we won a trophy, and received two runners-up trophies, not bad really. There is a lot of crap being talked on here about the club not taking yesterday seriously, well as far as I could see the team we put out was just about full strength, bard Davis and Guly, and the team we played put out their reserves almost en bloc. Some people need to get some perspective, and trolls need to wind their neck in. We had an opportunity and did not fully take it by not fielding our strongest side. Would you disagree with this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roker Rover Posted 16 February, 2014 Share Posted 16 February, 2014 Middlesbrough are probably historically a bigger club than Southampton and have only ever won one league cup. They have 60 top flight season to your 37. My club Sunderland has 83 and that includes a 57 season unbroken run from entering the league in 1890. We have 6 top flight titles and 2 FA Cups but have not troubled the engravers since 1973 and have not even been into Europe since then. I know a lot about under performing football clubs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 16 February, 2014 Author Share Posted 16 February, 2014 Middlesbrough are probably historically a bigger club than Southampton and have only ever won one league cup. They have 60 top flight season to your 37. My club Sunderland has 83 and that includes a 57 season unbroken run from entering the league in 1890. We have 6 top flight titles and 2 FA Cups but have not troubled the engravers since 1973 and have not even been into Europe since then. I know a lot about under performing football clubs. Middlesbrough is a good shout but probably a long term declining club to certain level, as it stand we are probably bigger than them due to population shift, they are getting smaller to be blunt. Sunderland have very very good loyal fans but even they were troubled in the 80's with very low averages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Secret Site Agent Posted 16 February, 2014 Share Posted 16 February, 2014 So what you want is 'Saints the global Brand'. Lets spend 100 million to secure the place we should be. After all, Chelsea did it in what, 3 weeks. And Man U, in an After noon, i recall. Not forgetting Arsenal who became successful in a commercial break. Typical of the 'we just lost in the FA Cup and i SOOOOOOOOOOOO wanted to go to Wembly to see Saints win. It's just not fair. I'm going to shout it out to everyone then i'm going to eat wroms' type of attitude these days. We palyed **** yesterday. Wrong team, wrong spirit, wrong kick off time, wrong location. I'm as ****ed off as the next man. It shouldn't have happened but it did!!!! So get over yourself. It was a bad day at the office. I'll tell you about success. I took my daughter to her first game on the last day we were due to get relegated, so that she could see Saints before they didn't exist any more. We were in league 1 with minus 10, and now we are here. We have spent money, but not wisely on some, and we are 8th in the table. Revel in the fact that we HAVE a club, that we have 3, count them 3, players who have played for England, and 2-3 that are touted to be future England players. Revel in the fact that we are financially safe. revel in the fact that we have a manager who is looked on with envious eyes on what he achieves. Revel in the fact that we get congratulated ont eh way we play by those in the profession who KNOW a whole lot more about the game than you and I. Revel in the fact that we are not Portsmouth and are not in the **** that they are in. Revel in the fact that we are not Coventry with the SISU clowns in charge. Who knows what success we have in the future. But to me, we have some success now by being here and we are not the finished article. Brighton were better than us in League 1, Reading were better than us in Championship, but where are they now? Perhaps I measure success differently than you. And you made me spill my coffee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 16 February, 2014 Share Posted 16 February, 2014 We had an opportunity and did not fully take it by not fielding our strongest side. Would you disagree with this? What would our strongest side have been? Apparently we did field the strongest side available. Are you seriously trying to tell me that the side we fielded was not capable of winning that game? If you are seriously saying this then you are as potty as I surmise. Perfectly good team, Boruc, Fonte, Lovren, Gaston not available. We had decent chances to win, Lambert missed a complete sitter. Sunderland made 9 changes, this allowed 9 players who cannot get into the Sunderland side, you know the one that is 18th in the League, 15 points worse off than us, yet they won. Liverpool made 3 changes today, including playing their backup keeper, is anyone calling for Rodgers head to roll because he dissed the FA Cup? The reason we lost yesterday was nothing to do with fielding a weakened team. There were other factors, the main one being that Sunderland scored more goals than we did. We have failed to beat Sunderland in 4 games this season, yet some wallies on here, you amongst them, for some reason believed that our name was on the Cup this season and all we had to do was turn up and we would win and then march supremely on to the Final where we would wallop Man City 10-0. Its the ****ing FA Cup, it is a lottery, no-one plans to win it, and I don't believe anyone plans to lose in it either. Swansea and Cardiff also got knocked out this weekend, one to a Championship club, teams that are comparable in size to us. **** happens. I'm lucky that in my lifetime I've seen us win at Wembley in the FA Cup, I really don't expect that to happen again in my lifetime, but if it does, that will be great. We "waited" nearly a hundred years for the first win, who is to say it won' be that long again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 16 February, 2014 Share Posted 16 February, 2014 Coventry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pancake Posted 16 February, 2014 Share Posted 16 February, 2014 Wes, I may have mentioned this before but this is the only Internet forum in the world that doesn't have any trolls. I think you've been drinking then Mr T. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OttawaSaint Posted 16 February, 2014 Share Posted 16 February, 2014 Pointless thread, this troll is just going to sit there and shoot down every suggestion. Define what you mean by a club our size. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 16 February, 2014 Share Posted 16 February, 2014 Middlesbrough are probably historically a bigger club than Southampton and have only ever won one league cup. They have 60 top flight season to your 37. My club Sunderland has 83 and that includes a 57 season unbroken run from entering the league in 1890. We have 6 top flight titles and 2 FA Cups but have not troubled the engravers since 1973 and have not even been into Europe since then. I know a lot about under performing football clubs. No way are Middlesborough bigger than Saints. What do they average in the Championship 16-17K? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 16 February, 2014 Author Share Posted 16 February, 2014 Coventry Smaller than Southampton and have won the same amount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 16 February, 2014 Author Share Posted 16 February, 2014 What would our strongest side have been? Apparently we did field the strongest side available. Are you seriously trying to tell me that the side we fielded was not capable of winning that game? If you are seriously saying this then you are as potty as I surmise. Perfectly good team, Boruc, Fonte, Lovren, Gaston not available. We had decent chances to win, Lambert missed a complete sitter. Sunderland made 9 changes, this allowed 9 players who cannot get into the Sunderland side, you know the one that is 18th in the League, 15 points worse off than us, yet they won. Liverpool made 3 changes today, including playing their backup keeper, is anyone calling for Rodgers head to roll because he dissed the FA Cup? The reason we lost yesterday was nothing to do with fielding a weakened team. There were other factors, the main one being that Sunderland scored more goals than we did. We have failed to beat Sunderland in 4 games this season, yet some wallies on here, you amongst them, for some reason believed that our name was on the Cup this season and all we had to do was turn up and we would win and then march supremely on to the Final where we would wallop Man City 10-0. Its the ****ing FA Cup, it is a lottery, no-one plans to win it, and I don't believe anyone plans to lose in it either. Swansea and Cardiff also got knocked out this weekend, one to a Championship club, teams that are comparable in size to us. **** happens. I'm lucky that in my lifetime I've seen us win at Wembley in the FA Cup, I really don't expect that to happen again in my lifetime, but if it does, that will be great. We "waited" nearly a hundred years for the first win, who is to say it won' be that long again? Why didn't we play Fonte, Schneiderlin and Rodriguez for a start, they were on the bench, an old saying in football is if you are on the bench you are fit, if not what are they doing there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rasiak-9- Posted 16 February, 2014 Share Posted 16 February, 2014 The age old question is to define precisely what counts towards a club's 'size'. You need to exactly define that word before anyone can make a meaningful judgement. Size of ground, trophies won, average league position over the past 50 years? Fame and fanbase abroad? Strength of current first XI? Size of city/region represented? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 16 February, 2014 Author Share Posted 16 February, 2014 Trophies won. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintSteve Posted 16 February, 2014 Share Posted 16 February, 2014 In my lifetime... Newcastle.. maybe wrong but don't think they have won anything for a long long time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 16 February, 2014 Share Posted 16 February, 2014 Trophies won. So we are a smaller club than Bury, Burnley, Preston, Bolton, Huddersfield, Wanderers, and Old Etonians ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 16 February, 2014 Author Share Posted 16 February, 2014 So we are a smaller club than Bury, Burnley, Preston, Bolton, Huddersfield, Wanderers, and Old Etonians ? Yes in so far they have won more, times change of course they always do, we have become bigger and those smaller which only makes it worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 16 February, 2014 Share Posted 16 February, 2014 The only teams that can compete with our away support is Manchester United and we haven't won anywhere near as much as them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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