Batman Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 Hope you all like the new "transparent" regime Jesus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 Get back to your chip pan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 31 May, 2014 Author Share Posted 31 May, 2014 Im at wembley. But will do soon after Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanovski Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 Get cortese back plz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 Im at wembley. But will do soon after Why are you posting of here then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 Out of the frying pan and into the chip pan. New board superb IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wadesmith Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 We've got our club back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanovski Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 When was cortese never anything but open about anything that REALLY needed to be said? (or did he need to make a public statement about sacking the kitman) Oh wait the ONE player he sold! (oxo) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Without a Halo Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 Bring back Cortese If he were still here Cork and Fontes contracts would have been sorted months ago There would be limited departures (i.e only those he wanted) He would be organising the players summer training camp post world cup and the speculation on here would be on who is coming in not who is going as well as the usual criticism of us starting our business too late! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InvictaSaint Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 Bring back Cortese If he were still here Cork and Fontes contracts would have been sorted months ago There would be limited departures (i.e only those he wanted) He would be organising the players summer training camp post world cup and the speculation on here would be on who is coming in not who is going as well as the usual criticism of us starting our business too late! And maybe he would have been spending money he had no right to spend pushing us towards another financial precipice....ever considered that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanovski Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 And maybe he would have been spending money he had no right to spend pushing us towards another financial precipice....ever considered that? Markus put him in charge, he had every right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascadia Saint Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 Another random thread about nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Without a Halo Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 And maybe he would have been spending money he had no right to spend pushing us towards another financial precipice....ever considered that? Cortese was not a financial risk taker he was very careful in fact the value of the club (the assets) always increased at a greater rate than the money he spent. i.e. he invested well if he was a risk taker do you think Markus would have put him in charge? Just look at the current value of our players and club for example compared to the value in league 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 Get back to your chip pan.nice avatar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 This is going to be the new SWF myth, isn't it? "If Cortese was still here, none of this would be happening, we'd be progressing upwards rather than looking downwards". Dear oh Lord. It's going to be a very long summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 This is going to be the new SWF myth, isn't it? "If Cortese was still here, none of this would be happening, we'd be progressing upwards rather than looking downwards". Dear oh Lord. It's going to be a very long summer. are you certain MP would have gone if NC was still here. If not do you also feel everything would be unraveling as quickly as it seems now? NC departure IMO helped make a lot of decisions now. However much you might not like it, the players brought into the dream as well as MP. We lost the driver , and the coach lost its way up the winding road. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 are you certain. MP would have gone if. NC was still here. If not do you also feel everything would be unraveling as quickly as it seems now? NC departure IMO helped make a lot of decisions now. However much you might not like it, the players brought into the dream as well as MP. Losing the driver and the coach lost its way up the winding road. No Nick, I'm not certain about anything. Neither are you, or anyone else. What I'm pretty much convinced of, though, is that Cortese was on a spending spree that wasn't sustainable and it was a primary reason of why he walked away / was given the shove. he banged on for year on year about living within our means without actually achieving it. then the new board take over and make various references to overspending and the general financial situation that needs reigning in. If Cortese was still here and had the authority to spend as we was before, then I'd agree we'd likely still be in much, much better shape than we actually are. I just choose to ask the question of why he is not here, and the answer of "a perilous financial situation with unsustainable losses" keeps coming back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 This is going to be the new SWF myth, isn't it? "If Cortese was still here, none of this would be happening, we'd be progressing upwards rather than looking downwards". Dear oh Lord. It's going to be a very long summer. You would have to admit that there would be more stability and at least some stuff more organised? We don 't even have pre-season camp sorted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 You would have to admit that there would be more stability and at least some stuff more organised? We don 't even have pre-season camp sorted. We didn't announce that until 21 June last year, Diggo. Don't get me wrong, I think we're a shambles at the moment. The perception is terrible, and I'm losing faith by the day. But the idea that all would be rosyy if only Cortese were here is limited IMO, and very assumptive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 We didn't announce that until 21 June last year, Diggo. Don't get me wrong, I think we're a shambles at the moment. The perception is terrible, and I'm losing faith by the day. But the idea that all would be rosyy if only Cortese were here is limited IMO, and very assumptive. Yea true, it's all assumptive but I'm not too sure about the exact reasons for what's happening. If a precarious financial situation is to blame, the bew board could use that to their advantage but as of this week, the club is supposedly in the strongest position it's ever been in which wouldn't have been the case if Cortese had spent 5 years on an uncontrollable spending spree. I see Lambert for example is going for 40K a week which shows that wages at the club can't be elaborate and transfer fee's have been inline with what is expected in the prem, especially when building from the lower leagues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 Im at wembley. But will do soon after Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 (edited) Yea true, it's all assumptive but I'm not too sure about the exact reasons for what's happening. If a precarious financial situation is to blame, the bew board could use that to their advantage but as of this week, the club is supposedly in the strongest position it's ever been in which wouldn't have been the case if Cortese had spent 5 years on an uncontrollable spending spree. I see Lambert for example is going for 40K a week which shows that wages at the club can't be elaborate and transfer fee's have been inline with what is expected in the prem, especially when building from the lower leagues. Haven't seen wages but I reckon £40K is probably not right, surely? Not for a current England international at a Champs League club. If we're not offering more on a short term deal but (arguably) have Ramirez on his £2M a year net (up to £80K if that's anywhere true) then I guess it says "something". Quite what that is, I don't know! It was rumoured that in the lower leagues we were paying Lambert and Lallana £25K a week. If their wages "only" grew by £10K or £15K in the ensuing rise then it's an indication of the challenges we will face recruiting anyone decent enough to retain a top ten place. Edited 31 May, 2014 by The Kraken Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 Poor old Batman is in a right state. Starting random whining hysterical threads every day now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 (edited) Yea true, it's all assumptive but I'm not too sure about the exact reasons for what's happening. If a precarious financial situation is to blame, the bew board could use that to their advantage but as of this week, the club is supposedly in the strongest position it's ever been in which wouldn't have been the case if Cortese had spent 5 years on an uncontrollable spending spree. I see Lambert for example is going for 40K a week which shows that wages at the club can't be elaborate and transfer fee's have been inline with what is expected in the prem, especially when building from the lower leagues. What's happening ? It's fairly straightforward, non-football people have discovered a big bag of lovely sweeties that they can sell to to big kids and replace with less lovely sweeties costing less. Boy scouts jumble sale approach. Edited 31 May, 2014 by Window Cleaner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 No Nick, I'm not certain about anything. Neither are you, or anyone else. What I'm pretty much convinced of, though, is that Cortese was on a spending spree that wasn't sustainable and it was a primary reason of why he walked away / was given the shove. he banged on for year on year about living within our means without actually achieving it. then the new board take over and make various references to overspending and the general financial situation that needs reigning in. If Cortese was still here and had the authority to spend as we was before, then I'd agree we'd likely still be in much, much better shape than we actually are. I just choose to ask the question of why he is not here, and the answer of "a perilous financial situation with unsustainable losses" keeps coming back. All fair points, I don't want to go down the. Pompey route and pleased that at least we fans are considering budgets above big players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 Perhaps it would have been better for the anyone-but-cortese brigade to wait and see than big up every initial statement and symbolic act by the new regime while dismissing everything else as all a big conspiracy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isla Wight Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 Amazing how a nothing thread takes us onto the same old stuff that you could find on other threads. Still I suppose The Dull Days has to up his posting numbers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 We've got our club back. Too true... I certainly hated our positive years under cortese, so much happier with the uncertainty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Lungs Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 We've got our club back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 Cortese chose to **** off and leave us, just like our manager and players are. It's pointless banging on about him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solentstars Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 (edited) Bring back Cortese If he were still here Cork and Fontes contracts would have been sorted months ago There would be limited departures (i.e only those he wanted) He would be organising the players summer training camp post world cup and the speculation on here would be on who is coming in not who is going as well as the usual criticism of us starting our business too late! what rubbish how will he do that has the person funding the club is the liebherrs ,he has been spending her money and she wanted him gone and i don,t blame her. Edited 31 May, 2014 by solentstars Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InvictaSaint Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 Cortese was not a financial risk taker he was very careful in fact the value of the club (the assets) always increased at a greater rate than the money he spent. i.e. he invested well if he was a risk taker do you think Markus would have put him in charge? Just look at the current value of our players and club for example compared to the value in league 1 Why then, if everything was going so swimmingly, did Markus's daughter feel the need to intervene and restructure the top level of the club? If NC was so convinced of his own righteousness with regard to the way he was running the club, why did he walk? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cellone Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 Stripes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Without a Halo Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 (edited) what rubbish how will he do that has the person funding the club is the liebherrs ,he has been spending her money and she wanted him gone and i don,t blame her. Correct he spent her money however he has created a club and players worth a darn side more than he spent! He was after all a banker who knows all about asset creation. It is true that obviously KL wanted to control and limit the spend. However he was not spending in an uncontrolled manner and KL now has a club and players worth a hell of lot more than has been invested to date. The problem seems to be that they disagreed on the best time to cash in on the assets and she seems to have decided now is a good time! you cannot blame her as it is her money! but to say Cortese was spending in an irresponsible manner is just not true. Edited 31 May, 2014 by Saint Without a Halo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Without a Halo Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 Why then, if everything was going so swimmingly, did Markus's daughter feel the need to intervene and restructure the top level of the club? If NC was so convinced of his own righteousness with regard to the way he was running the club, why did he walk? Because he wanted more investment as he was convinced he could improve the value of the club further given what he had achieved to date and she did not want to take the risk. That is all! He walked as without the investment he could not improve the club further! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 I starting to suspect that there are some on here who'll only be happy when they see the dreaded sight of Peter Ridsdale at the helm at St Marys steering the club back onto the financial rocks yet again What we really need of course is to strike a happy medium between the near chaos the club seems to be in today and the spend-spend-spend madness that has seen so many financially irresponsible football clubs crash and burn in recent years. But as we seem to be doomed to wander forever between these two extremes I can only assume that finding that middle course must be a harder feat to accomplish that you'd think it should be ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InvictaSaint Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 Because he wanted more investment as he was convinced he could improve the value of the club further given what he had achieved to date and she did not want to take the risk. That is all! He walked as without the investment he could not improve the club further! Hang on a minute - You say NC wasn't a risk taker in one post but then state that KL - his boss - thought his strategy of increased investment was too risky, which led to him walking. So which is it? Was NC a risk taker or not? If he was, then he was indeed a potential danger to the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 Perhaps it would have been better for the anyone-but-cortese brigade to wait and see than big up every initial statement and symbolic act by the new regime while dismissing everything else as all a big conspiracy. I don't remember ever seeing a single post that says they want "anyone-but-cortese", not one. I think you are just being a d!ck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 I don't remember ever seeing a single post that says they want "anyone-but-cortese", not one. I think you are just being a d!ck. Are you accusing shurlock of making up opinions just to suit an argument that he wants to have? Never. He would never do that. There's no evidence he ever does that. Ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 (edited) I don't remember ever seeing a single post that says they want "anyone-but-cortese", not one. I think you are just being a d!ck. Breath, sunshine. Don't get so worked up. Edited 31 May, 2014 by shurlock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joensuu Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 There does seem to be some on here who would rather see the club fail than see Cortese have any influence. According to some the current situation is all being caused by Nicola pulling media strings. According to others, Cortese shouldn't have invested the money Markus trusted him with to raise us through the leagues. Had we still had Cortese at the helm we'd have sold a new project to the players. No doubt the number of rumours and bids would vastly reduced. I don't get the rational behind the anti-Cortese vibes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
modern matron Posted 1 June, 2014 Share Posted 1 June, 2014 are you certain MP would have gone if NC was still here. If not do you also feel everything would be unraveling as quickly as it seems now? NC departure IMO helped make a lot of decisions now. However much you might not like it, the players brought into the dream as well as MP. We lost the driver , and the coach lost its way up the winding road. Just out of interest what was the dream? To win the champions league? Have a brand new 80,000 stadium? Be the next Barcelona, Real etc? Does anyone really think any of this was possible? For what it's worth I think NC convinced players that this was a dream but they have realised that as happy as they are here to make these dreams become reality they have to join bigger, more famous, more successful clubs. This also includes Pocchetino, who has jumped now and I believe would have done even if Cortese was still here. Basically we've peaked with this group and some of them will leave as a result. The biggest thing now is who replaces MP and then what happens with the squad. Until then who knows what the future holds so I reckon people should sit tight and wait and see......COYR, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan The Flames Posted 1 June, 2014 Share Posted 1 June, 2014 I don't remember ever seeing a single post that says they want "anyone-but-cortese", not one. I think you are just being a d!ck. Also can anyone find a thread when someone seriously said 'we've got our club back'. There is so much bed wetting going on, 'we are a club in chaos/crisis/meltdown', when in reality we have lost a manager and one player, this is all part of the game and something that any club has to deal with from time to time. What is becoming apparent to me is that the whole level of discontent in the club is not NC going or even MP going its the level of wages. It seems that NC didn't sell the boys the dream of CL football more the dream of more dosh in the future, moving up the leagues enabled NC to do that. He then brought in GR and DO on bigger wages, probably with the promise to the other boys that their wages will be brought in line. This hasn't happened and now footballers are doing what footballers always do, agitate for a move or a better contract, they don't really mind which. Apart from the lure of Liverpool for Lambert and CL for some others. The new board good help by looking at the wage structure, but these contacts were all set up by NC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norwaysaint Posted 1 June, 2014 Share Posted 1 June, 2014 This is going to be the new SWF myth, isn't it? "If Cortese was still here, none of this would be happening, we'd be progressing upwards rather than looking downwards". Dear oh Lord. It's going to be a very long summer. The old SWF myth being that there would be an exodus of players and staff if Cortese went? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brmbrm Posted 1 June, 2014 Share Posted 1 June, 2014 Jeez. Some people really need to grow up. Contract. Fine. Someone wants out. What do you do. "You cant go" just doesn't work. All a contract means is that if either party want to terminate it then (a) look at the fine print to see the clauses and compensation needed to break the contract or (b) negotiate to better your position or © put them or gardening leave Mopo: (a) I do nt know the fine print and either do the rest of you: allegedly there was a few million compensation (b) he wanted OUT. OUT. To be a bit more explicit: O U T © Fine costs us a few million in spite money Same with players really: the idea is to get the best bag for your buck. Sorry: this is real life out there and you cant force people to do what you want because if they dont you will scream and scream until you are sick So what will we do; get another manager and buuy lots of players. Consistency you guys! Why is it Ok for us to buy and ot OK for us t sell? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 1 June, 2014 Share Posted 1 June, 2014 New name but same old rubbish eh Delldays? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 1 June, 2014 Share Posted 1 June, 2014 There does seem to be some on here who would rather see the club fail than see Cortese have any influence. According to some the current situation is all being caused by Nicola pulling media strings. According to others, Cortese shouldn't have invested the money Markus trusted him with to raise us through the leagues. Had we still had Cortese at the helm we'd have sold a new project to the players. No doubt the number of rumours and bids would vastly reduced. I don't get the rational behind the anti-Cortese vibes. If Cortese was still here then KL and Tweedledum and Tweedledo would not be. KL did not want to continue to invest at the level previously agreed once shw took over last summer but would not sell which would have allowed Cortese to bring in alternative investors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan The Flames Posted 1 June, 2014 Share Posted 1 June, 2014 Are people really so stupid as to believe players buy into chairmans dreams. A progressive club helps to cement a negotiation but it is the quality of the contract, ie wages and length, that seal the deal. So people please grow up we would be facing the same problems with NC at the helm. He might deal with them in a different way but one thing is for sure that he would not have solved them by selling a new dream alone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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