maysie Posted 19 July, 2014 Share Posted 19 July, 2014 I don't know, the general point is he was openly setting expectations that we wouldn't be doing a City or Chelsea so I'm asking what the false promises where? As stated by S-Clarke promising players Champs League when it was highly improbable. I ask you a question, if he thought he could do it with out sizeable investment where is he now? He jumped ship at exactly the right time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 19 July, 2014 Share Posted 19 July, 2014 As stated by S-Clarke promising players Champs League when it was highly improbable. I ask you a question, if he thought he could do it with out sizeable investment where is he now? He jumped ship at exactly the right time. When Kat stepped in to make sure we sold players for a massive profit? I'd probably do one as well. All this talk of Cortese duping all the players is embarrassing. The players knew they were good and knew we had a very good manager. I'm sure they were confident in their own abilities and not reliant on empty words from the chairman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maysie Posted 19 July, 2014 Share Posted 19 July, 2014 When Kat stepped in to make sure we sold players for a massive profit? I'd probably do one as well. All this talk of Cortese duping all the players is embarrassing. The players knew they were good and knew we had a very good manager. I'm sure they were confident in their own abilities and not reliant on empty words from the chairman. Um not quite sure who's embarrassed by musings on a message board.... so you think it's a fire sale to line Kat's pockets then. The players want to leave because really top teams want them. It's really that simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 19 July, 2014 Share Posted 19 July, 2014 Um not quite sure who's embarrassed by musings on a message board.... so you think it's a fire sale to line Kat's pockets then. The players want to leave because really top teams want them. It's really that simple. And we will happily oblige. It's not just those wanted by really top sides who are unsettled Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maysie Posted 19 July, 2014 Share Posted 19 July, 2014 And we will happily oblige. It's not just those wanted by really top sides who are unsettled Okay fair enough if that is the case as I have no idea how the players are feeling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 19 July, 2014 Share Posted 19 July, 2014 (edited) Telling the players we could aim for the champions league, I expect. What does this even mean? Hodgson told the media that England shouldn't be in the WC if it wasn't aiming to win it. Lofty ambitions is part and parcel of sport. Even now the new regime is talking about Europe while MP is aiming for the title at Spurs. Some of the utter drivel on this site suggests posters are wet-behind-the-ears and have only taken up following football. That or they are disingenuous. Now if anyone can point to specific, quasi-contractual promises, then that's a different matter. But they can't and won't. Ultimately, the players who joined knew full well the course we were taking -namely that we weren't going to break the bank to make progress and that we were going to integrate youth, even if it sacrificed a degree of short-run success. By definition, players know what side their bread is buttered on -contrary to dullards claims on here, so could work through the implications of what this approach was realistically likely to achieve and not. Nobody was hoodwinked about these constraints. Regardless they joined. The rest, including talk of CL football, is frankly irrelevant. Edited 21 July, 2014 by shurlock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 20 July, 2014 Share Posted 20 July, 2014 When Kat stepped in to make sure we sold players for a massive profit? I'd probably do one as well. All this talk of Cortese duping all the players is embarrassing. The players knew they were good and knew we had a very good manager. I'm sure they were confident in their own abilities and not reliant on empty words from the chairman. Oh dear. That horrible woman wrecking your dreams. Embarrassing is indeed the word. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charliemiller Posted 20 July, 2014 Share Posted 20 July, 2014 Strive to over achieve expectations targets etc.......you might just surprise yourself . The alternative is to be negative non performer. Cortese did nothing wrong setting a high target to achieve .....If it had been huge bonuses would have kicked in for the players and staff as it did with the promotions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faz Posted 20 July, 2014 Share Posted 20 July, 2014 It seems unlikely that anyone would buy JRod before the outcome of his injury is known - the chances of him coming back, and this season being at the level he was when injured are slim. we see time and again that players returning from long term injuries pick up niggles and strains when they start full competitive action. The buying club won't be able to insure him - but the same applies to use giving him a new and/or extended contract; So I'm left wondering how much truth there is in any of this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 20 July, 2014 Share Posted 20 July, 2014 All this talk of Cortese duping all the players is embarrassing. The players knew they were good and knew we had a very good manager. I'm sure they were confident in their own abilities and not reliant on empty words from the chairman. You never hear players say that they signed for a club because of the chairman, yet in most cases it's the chairman that chooses them and not the manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 20 July, 2014 Share Posted 20 July, 2014 Oh dear. That horrible woman wrecking your dreams. Embarrassing is indeed the word. No more embarrassing than pretending this is all the fault of the lies of that nasty man who left 6 months ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 20 July, 2014 Share Posted 20 July, 2014 No more embarrassing than pretending this is all the fault of the lies of that nasty man who left 6 months ago. Which I have never done. Whoopsie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Millbrook Saint Posted 20 July, 2014 Share Posted 20 July, 2014 Well my opinion is this, lallana has probably spoken with Jay under instructions from rodgers telling him how great liverpool is, and not to sign any contract extension and they'll come in for him once he makes a recovery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 20 July, 2014 Share Posted 20 July, 2014 Which I have never done. Whoopsie. No but the people who I was replying to on this thread were before your inevitable snipe. Whoopsie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuncanRG Posted 20 July, 2014 Share Posted 20 July, 2014 Open your eyes. Question Everything. Everyone has an agenda. Haha bloody hell, get your V for Vendetta mask on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 20 July, 2014 Share Posted 20 July, 2014 http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/liverpool-tottenham-transfer-target-jay-3885483 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 20 July, 2014 Share Posted 20 July, 2014 http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/liverpool-tottenham-transfer-target-jay-3885483 Don't worry he'll sign on the dotted line once we've changed the perception of the club...or whatever Guan said he's trying to do right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asaint4ever Posted 21 July, 2014 Share Posted 21 July, 2014 If jay is waiting for a better offer I really do find that harsh on the club who have been amazing to him and getting him fully fit again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 21 July, 2014 Share Posted 21 July, 2014 No but the people who I was replying to on this thread were before your inevitable snipe. Whoopsie. How about replying to them then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 21 July, 2014 Share Posted 21 July, 2014 If jay is waiting for a better offer I really do find that harsh on the club who have been amazing to him and getting him fully fit again. Read some article in some red top that he is weighing up the full extent of the offer from Liverpool, Spurs and us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 21 July, 2014 Share Posted 21 July, 2014 When Kat stepped in to make sure we sold players for a massive profit? I'd probably do one as well. All this talk of Cortese duping all the players is embarrassing. The players knew they were good and knew we had a very good manager. I'm sure they were confident in their own abilities and not reliant on empty words from the chairman. 1. Where is your evidence for this point? 2. I am sure when players/potential managers meet with the Chairman he/she does there best to sell the club and the club's asperations to the prospective new employee. There have been a number of occasions where the person hasnt been impressed with what they have heard and havn't joined the club. Cortese seemed to pride himself on his "vision" and we were told he was very good at selling that "vision" to others. I am sure he would be very upset to hear his profound words to be described by an internet jockey as "empty words." So back to point 1 again before I close. If you are going to slander the owner I suggest you are sure of your facts. My understanding was IF we had to sell, we would make sure we got top dollar. That is very different to the spin you put on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bucks Saint Posted 21 July, 2014 Share Posted 21 July, 2014 Read some article in some red top that he is weighing up the full extent of the offer from Liverpool, Spurs and us. yep but as stated on here there is no way he would pass a medical, so its tosh for the media to say he has offers from elsewhere Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 21 July, 2014 Share Posted 21 July, 2014 Read some article in some red top that he is weighing up the full extent of the offer from Liverpool, Spurs and us. In what universe would you sign a player who is yet to recover from an injury such as his? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint IQ Posted 21 July, 2014 Share Posted 21 July, 2014 As stated by S-Clarke promising players Champs League when it was highly improbable. I ask you a question, if he thought he could do it with out sizeable investment where is he now? He jumped ship at exactly the right time. Contrary to reports, he was pushed as opposed to 'jumped ship'. Was told by a staff member at the club. He is bitter and probably wishes he still had his play toy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 21 July, 2014 Share Posted 21 July, 2014 In what universe would you sign a player who is yet to recover from an injury such as his? By that token, why have we offered a 5 year extension? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bucks Saint Posted 21 July, 2014 Share Posted 21 July, 2014 By that token, why have we offered a 5 year extension? I imagine someone will know much more than me on this, but I think its a combination of: (1) much less risk for an existing club as no transfer fee to pay. Wages will be the same for both; (2) the medical and insurance points are much more of an issue for a club without any existing exposure to liability for the player; (3) the existing club obviously has very detailed knowledge of the player, the injury and the prognosis, so can judge the situation far better. I am sure there have been past examples elsewhere of a player with a known injury not getting a move to a new club and then signing an extension with their existing one, though I am not able to recall names Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 21 July, 2014 Share Posted 21 July, 2014 By that token, why have we offered a 5 year extension? I imagine we have insurance for him so if he doesnt play again we are covered. Would you buy a car that had been in a crash and there wasnt certainty that it would run again? If it was yours already and it doesnt you are covered. I cant imagine Liverpool's insurers taking the risk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 21 July, 2014 Share Posted 21 July, 2014 I had thought about the insurance aspect. I imagine that we would be in the same boat as Liverpool and Spurs in that a new arrangement would have to be taken out on any new contract. An extension is a new contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 21 July, 2014 Share Posted 21 July, 2014 I imagine we have insurance for him so if he doesnt play again we are covered. Would you buy a car that had been in a crash and there wasnt certainty that it would run again? If it was yours already and it doesnt you are covered. I cant imagine Liverpool's insurers taking the risk. Insurance wouldn't cover him returning and being poorer due to the injury. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 21 July, 2014 Share Posted 21 July, 2014 Insurance wouldn't cover him returning and being poorer due to the injury. True, but I am not talking about the subjective, but something definitive. Like an end to the career, recurrence of the injury etc. As I say, not exactly sure how it all works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlakeySFC Posted 21 July, 2014 Share Posted 21 July, 2014 Haha bloody hell, get your V for Vendetta mask on Don't usually wear it unless I'm protesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 21 July, 2014 Share Posted 21 July, 2014 True, but I am not talking about the subjective, but something definitive. Like an end to the career, recurrence of the injury etc. As I say, not exactly sure how it all works. I didn't quote you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 21 July, 2014 Share Posted 21 July, 2014 I didn't quote you. Hmmm, so you didn't. Me thinks it's time for a drink. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 21 July, 2014 Share Posted 21 July, 2014 If jay is waiting for a better offer I really do find that harsh on the club who have been amazing to him and getting him fully fit again. Id imagine he would wait until january to see how we are getting on, for me that would be sensible Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 21 July, 2014 Share Posted 21 July, 2014 Id imagine he would wait until january to see how we are getting on, for me that would be sensible Yea, no real advantage for him signing a 5 year deal at this stage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redkeith Posted 22 July, 2014 Share Posted 22 July, 2014 Yea, no real advantage for him signing a 5 year deal at this stage. There is a big advantage for Jay signing a new contract now, he may never recover from his injury, some don't. If he signs now, at least he sets up his pension. If he does make a full recovery, then a bigger club will come back for him anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 22 July, 2014 Share Posted 22 July, 2014 Pointless worrying about or debating JRods contract. He's not fit, can't play for us until probably November and anyway even if he signed it wouldn't be worth diddly squat if Pool or Spurs came in for him. He'd be off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRichmond Posted 22 July, 2014 Share Posted 22 July, 2014 Um not quite sure who's embarrassed by musings on a message board.... so you think it's a fire sale to line Kat's pockets then. The players want to leave because really top teams want them. It's really that simple. It's not that simple at all Katharina HAS moved the Goalposts, her objectives for the Club are NOT as high as her Father's were It is that fact, that has made the Players review their situations, and seek Clubs with Bigger Ambitions Katharina is not the Saviour that her father was. She has no deep rooted love for Football in general, or Saints in particular To her, all SFC is now, is, in the words of George Cole " A nice little earner " End of Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goatboy Posted 22 July, 2014 Share Posted 22 July, 2014 It's not that simple at all Katharina HAS moved the Goalposts, her objectives for the Club are NOT as high as her Father's were It is that fact, that has made the Players review their situations, and seek Clubs with Bigger Ambitions Katharina is not the Saviour that her father was. She has no deep rooted love for Football in general, or Saints in particular To her, all SFC is now, is, in the words of George Cole " A nice little earner " End of You post the same nonsense on every thread. It is pure spamming. Give it a rest you retard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Warrior Posted 22 July, 2014 Share Posted 22 July, 2014 Saints Richmond please go and preach your bile with the rest of your bestest supporter mates down the road You do not have a clue what's going on at the club Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 22 July, 2014 Share Posted 22 July, 2014 It's not that simple at all Katharina HAS moved the Goalposts, her objectives for the Club are NOT as high as her Father's were It is that fact, that has made the Players review their situations, and seek Clubs with Bigger Ambitions Katharina is not the Saviour that her father was. She has no deep rooted love for Football in general, or Saints in particular To her, all SFC is now, is, in the words of George Cole " A nice little earner " End of Players aren't at Southampton for ambition, there here for money, pure and simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niceandfriendly Posted 22 July, 2014 Share Posted 22 July, 2014 I think a lot of players bought into Cortese's Champions League dream though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rick1976.4.38 Posted 22 July, 2014 Share Posted 22 July, 2014 I think a lot of players bought into Cortese's Champions League dream though. that's all it was,a dream it was never going to happen weve won one cup of note in our history the big four have all the money and there's no chance we'd reach that level,plus they wouldn't let us,as is being shown with our best players being grabbed and we stay where we are,a middle of the table premier league team any of the players who join us come for the money and hope they get a better money offer in time the sad thing is you also get mercenaries,aka,dejan doesn't matter if jrod signs this or not,it just gives saints the chance to get the best deal possible when it comes to him being sold,probably in the January transfer ,as I think he wants to go now. contracts mean,f*** all now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Majestic Channon Posted 22 July, 2014 Share Posted 22 July, 2014 It's not that simple at all Katharina HAS moved the Goalposts, her objectives for the Club are NOT as high as her Father's were It is that fact, that has made the Players review their situations, and seek Clubs with Bigger Ambitions Katharina is not the Saviour that her father was. She has no deep rooted love for Football in general, or Saints in particular To her, all SFC is now, is, in the words of George Cole " A nice little earner " End of You know naff all about what goes on behind the scenes and writing in bold and capitals won't convince anyone otherwise, sorry to be the one to break that to you. C ock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint-crinny Posted 22 July, 2014 Share Posted 22 July, 2014 I'm sure the players did like NC's Champions League chat. But i don't believe that the likes of Lovren, Lambert, Shaw and Lallana wouldn't have wanted to leave to go to the likes of Liverpool and United even if NC and MP were still here. They are still huge clubs, far bigger than us, and most players would want to play for them given half the chance. NC might have fought harder to keep them, but the size of the bids that we have ended up getting to would have likely swayed him to let them go as well. It's disappointing for us after the season we enjoyed last year, but that is where we are at Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bucks Saint Posted 22 July, 2014 Share Posted 22 July, 2014 I think a lot of players bought into Cortese's Champions League dream though. Most of them have more intelligence than you seem to think Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Chalet Posted 22 July, 2014 Share Posted 22 July, 2014 Players aren't at Southampton for ambition, there here for money, pure and simple. Correct. We were a big fish in L1 and the Championship but we in a whole different pond now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRichmond Posted 22 July, 2014 Share Posted 22 July, 2014 You know naff all about what goes on behind the scenes and writing in bold and capitals won't convince anyone otherwise, sorry to be the one to break that to you. C ock So pleased that, yet again, you come back with counter arguments. I know more about what goes on "behind the scenes" than you think. If you can't or won't see what's going on then I feel very very sorry for you. After the first few League matches, you may even change your mind, though I doubt it For all I know, you may be a SFC plant ?? But I will apologise for the bold caps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maysie Posted 22 July, 2014 Share Posted 22 July, 2014 It's not that simple at all Katharina HAS moved the Goalposts, her objectives for the Club are NOT as high as her Father's were It is that fact, that has made the Players review their situations, and seek Clubs with Bigger Ambitions Katharina is not the Saviour that her father was. She has no deep rooted love for Football in general, or Saints in particular To her, all SFC is now, is, in the words of George Cole " A nice little earner " End of You keep repeating this so if it is true I think you need to provide some insight to the validity of your source. So far all I see are the ramblings of a nutter who has the serail-killer tendency to capitalise random words. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotonist Posted 22 July, 2014 Share Posted 22 July, 2014 Players aren't at Southampton for ambition, there here for money, pure and simple. certainly the biggest factor but i'm sure they are all interested in progression. personal professional progression, salary progression, and team progression. when the team is at a perceived plateau and you are staying to maintain a standard rather than progress to the next level, the prospects look worse of progression in all other aspects. the club's ambition may or may not have stalled. what has certainly happened is we've quickly reached the point when enough people inside and outside of the club think we've hit the glass ceiling and want to move onto the next gravy train or the big pay off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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