another "saints linked to" story.......

[Roboze]

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/southampton-considering-double-bid-newcastle-5551266?

 

Discuss.....

[Roboze]

just seen this mentioned in a another post so close this if you like

[cellone]

Nah.....

[Deano6]

I was expecting this to be us in for Jack Colback for twice whatever Newcastle just paid for him, with our recent history.

[doddisalegend]

If we are raiding Newcastle can't we get Moussa Sissoko or do all the players we buy have to be Dutch now?

 

Having said that I quite like Janmat as a player.

[Turkish]

I was expecting this to be us in for Jack Colback for twice whatever Newcastle just paid for him, with our recent history.

 

They got him on a free so I'd take him for twice that.

 

These two would be decent as well.

[david in sweden]

Players expect to move around in their career, but for Krul to come to Saints and play under Koeman is surely a no-brainer for him.

He has a good pedigree, and has played for RK before.

 

Newcastle look like a team going nowhere. They must resolve their managerial situation in the summer, and some incoming cash for the new man to play with is a certainty.

Don't know that much about Janmaat, but he must be worth a look if he is being mentioned.

[david in sweden]

If we are raiding Newcastle can't we get Moussa Sissoko or do all the players we buy have to be Dutch now?

 

Having said that I quite like Janmat as a player.

 

 

?..don't think we have too many at the mo. - do we?

 

Elia is the only Dutchman, although several others have only been playing for Dutch clubs, but were actually born elsewhere....Italy, Serbia and Belgium.

Edited 20 April, 2015 by david in sweden

[Saint Fan CaM]

Krul would be an excellent acquisition. Janmat I'm not so sure about, but wouldn't be a disaster.

[Saint86]

If we're raiding Newcastle this summer, then top of the list are Sissoko and Ayoze Perez. That is a frigging no brainer and a great prospect respectively.

 

Krul would be a capable prem goalie for sure. Would prefer Forster as first choice though.

[the saint in winchester]

Yes please to both.

[redkeith]

Sorry, but this just seems like a 2 + 2 =5 story to me.

 

Saints may have had a scout at St James Park yesterday. So that means they must be watching a player. Clyne is thought to be off, so lets say they are looking at a right back, oh , and the keeper is out for a year so lets say they are looking at a keeper too.

 

Or, maybe Saints were just watching Spurs who they play next week ?

 

I like both players, but I don't think that he would be happy as number 2 if Fraser gets fit. Also if Ashley sells Janmat , one of Newcastles only decent players, after just one season there will be a riot up there.

 

These sort of stories pop up from time to time when, if the Journo could be arsed to check the fixture list, it is obvious that Saints are just scouting the opposition.

[S-Clarke]

Sorry, but this just seems like a 2 + 2 =5 story to me.

 

Saints may have had a scout at St James Park yesterday. So that means they must be watching a player. Clyne is thought to be off, so lets say they are looking at a right back, oh , and the keeper is out for a year so lets say they are looking at a keeper too.

 

Or, maybe Saints were just watching Spurs who they play next week ?

 

I like both players, but I don't think that he would be happy as number 2 if Fraser gets fit. Also if Ashley sells Janmat , one of Newcastles only decent players, after just one season there will be a riot up there.

 

These sort of stories pop up from time to time when, if the Journo could be arsed to check the fixture list, it is obvious that Saints are just scouting the opposition.

 

To be fair, when we sign a GK they will be number 1, that's all our intentions should be - sign a new number 1 quality GK, it shouldn't be in anyone's mind that they will be backup. No room for sentiment in hoping Fraser returns ok, if and when he does, he'll take the mantle as backup keeper. That's how I think it should be handled anyway. We were bitten when we tried to sign stop gaps for Killer, let's not do the same.

[VectisSaint]

Suspect the Krul part has legs, RK and Krul are close, and we will need a new keeper, preferably one with good PL experience for next season, need to work on the principle that FF will not play (much of) next season, and we need to good keepers anyway. Think Janmat is just linking Dutch players with us because of RK, think its unlikely that Newcatle would part with the player that they seem to have lined up as their new skipper.

[S-Clarke]

Suspect the Krul part has legs, RK and Krul are close, and we will need a new keeper, preferably one with good PL experience for next season, need to work on the principle that FF will not play (much of) next season, and we need to good keepers anyway. Think Janmat is just linking Dutch players with us because of RK, think its unlikely that Newcatle would part with the player that they seem to have lined up as their new skipper.

 

What's the history between Krul and RK? Can't remember him managing him before?

[Super_Uwe]

Suspect the Krul part has legs, RK and Krul are close, and we will need a new keeper, preferably one with good PL experience for next season, need to work on the principle that FF will not play (much of) next season, and we need to good keepers anyway. Think Janmat is just linking Dutch players with us because of RK, think its unlikely that Newcatle would part with the player that they seem to have lined up as their new skipper.

 

I hope you're right!

 

I understand what you are saying about the captaincy, but if Newcastle carry on the way they are then they could well be back in the Champ next year (which would have to go down as the worst implosions of all time?). If that happened then that could open up all sorts of transfer possibilities.

[Sour Mash]

To be fair, when we sign a GK they will be number 1, that's all our intentions should be - sign a new number 1 quality GK, it shouldn't be in anyone's mind that they will be backup. No room for sentiment in hoping Fraser returns ok, if and when he does, he'll take the mantle as backup keeper. That's how I think it should be handled anyway. We were bitten when we tried to sign stop gaps for Killer, let's not do the same.

I fully expect Forster to remain No.1, I think Koeman might have even stated this will be the case.

[beavis17]

Krul would be an excellent acquisition. Janmat I'm not so sure about, but wouldn't be a disaster.

 

Janmaat would be a brilliant replacement for Clyne.

[disconnect]

Tim Krul would be a good signing, good keeper, and fairly realistic for us. Probably about on a par with Forster.

 

If they dont pick up a result soon, can see them going down (7 points off relegation, with a worse goal difference and having played a game more than Leicester), then almost certainly Sissoko, Perez and Janmaat will leave. Pa**** Cisse is another funny player - sometimes brilliant, sometimes rubbish.

[Saint86]

Tim Krul would be a good signing, good keeper, and fairly realistic for us. Probably about on a par with Forster.

 

If they dont pick up a result soon, can see them going down (7 points off relegation, with a worse goal difference and having played a game more than Leicester), then almost certainly Sissoko, Perez and Janmaat will leave. Pa**** Cisse is another funny player - sometimes brilliant, sometimes rubbish.

 

I said when they sacked Pardew that they would go down or at least get dragged into it, and their fans certainly deserve it imho. I know that their owner is running them sustainably and not spending silly money but their fans act like they are a giant of a club that should be challenging for europe and the title every season and treated Pardew appallingly for not delivering that. If they go down it will be just like last time with the fans turning on the club and the manager.

 

All that said and done, I can't see 3 teams getting to 35 points this year.

 

Hull are gone for sure. Sunderland? Can't see them picking up many more points. Then QPR, Leicester look okay but Burnley have dropped off big time. Going to be a very exciting finish for sure.

[VectisSaint]

What's the history between Krul and RK? Can't remember him managing him before?

He hasn't. Doesn't mean two people can't be "close". But they are.

[hasper57saint]

Also in the Mirror on Page 48 is "Ex Southampton Boss Dave Jones has applied for the Managers job at bitter South Coast rivals Portsmouth" Don't know whether to laugh or cry.The man has to be desperate!

[Black Sea Saint]

Ashley would hold out for top dollar. He's very good at getting the best prices, whilst we seem not to be good at negotiating prices down (Shane Long)

[Matthew Le God]

How could Newcastle sell though? They'll stay up, but even maintaining their squad would make them a big relegation risk for next season. Losing Krul and Janmaat with major investment would destroy them. Their fans seeing a long-term quality keeper sign for Saints? Yes we're far better on and off the pitch these days, but they'll see themselves as a much bigger club and probably still are.

 

Would show great ambition for us though. I think Krul is marginally better than Forster. Janmaat I've only seen a few times and would prefer Trippier, but both good options I think.

 

Newcastle signed Nottingham Forest's keeper in last summer and loaned him back to them for the season. Mike Ashley might see it as good business in his eyes to sell Krul and use Darlow next season.

[SuperMikey]

I would love us to sign Krul, but I think Fraser will be first choice when he comes back. I think a season loan with an option to buy would be the best deal for us but as MLG says, Ashley would probably be more keen to take the cash on offer. Janmaat is a decent player though, would be a capable replacement for Clyne.

[sambosa75]

For someone who watches Newcastle regularly I'd leave Krul well alone. Not really developed in to the keeper he promised to be when he first broke through. Still has excellent natural reflexes but he is lacking in more or less every other department. At fault for a lot of goals. I do appreciate having Mike Williamson as centre-back somewhat handicaps you though. Realistically, I don't think he'd move anywhere where his place in the first team would be in question. That said, Janmaat is top draw and an ideal replacement for Clyne. Aside from that, I would also be keen on Sissoko, Ayoze and Rolando Aarons.

[david in sweden]

Tim Krul would be a good signing, good keeper, and fairly realistic for us. Probably about on a par with Forster.

 

This makes the difference for a club with Euro ambitions. Coming up against international strikers in clubs on the Continent you need international keepers.

 

Obviously you play the man in form, but when such incidents occur (as Forsters injury), you can't be reliant on veterans or U21 keepers to fill the void.

 

Arsenal had 3 internationals keepers a few years back (as did Spuds), and earlier this season Newcastle had to field their 3rd choice keeper (because of injuries).

If that were in European ties - you could be out of the competition in one game.

[sambosa75]

I said when they sacked Pardew that they would go down or at least get dragged into it, and their fans certainly deserve it imho. I know that their owner is running them sustainably and not spending silly money but their fans act like they are a giant of a club that should be challenging for europe and the title every season and treated Pardew appallingly for not delivering that. If they go down it will be just like last time with the fans turning on the club and the manager.

 

All that said and done, I can't see 3 teams getting to 35 points this year.

 

Hull are gone for sure. Sunderland? Can't see them picking up many more points. Then QPR, Leicester look okay but Burnley have dropped off big time. Going to be a very exciting finish for sure.

 

What an extremely naive post.

 

For a start, they never sacked Pardew. Crystal Palace agreed a compensation package with Newcastle.

 

The Newcastle fans did not turn on Pardew because he failed to deliver success or European football. The Newcastle fans turned on Pardew because in the 5 years he was in charge, he is responsible for every single unwanted managerial record going, including presiding over 4 straight derby defeats against Sunderland. Would we be quite so forgiving of Koeman in the same circumstances?

 

He was a mouthpiece for Mike Ashley, forced talented players out the door and admitted openly that top 10 was the target and the cups were not a priority, thus fielding weakened teams in cup games in order to get knocked out early. Hows that for ambition? Would you like it if Koeman and Kruger/Liebherr all came out and said the same?

 

Pardew also repeatedly turned the club in to a laughing stock and attracted constant negative media attention. Getting caught on camera calling Manuel Pellegrini a "f**king old ****", shoving a linesman during a game and headbutting Hull's David Meyler all come to mind without even thinking. Would you like Koeman to act in such a manner?

[farawaysaint]

What an extremely naive post.

 

For a start, they never sacked Pardew. Crystal Palace agreed a compensation package with Newcastle.

 

The Newcastle fans did not turn on Pardew because he failed to deliver success or European football. The Newcastle fans turned on Pardew because in the 5 years he was in charge, he is responsible for every single unwanted managerial record going, including presiding over 4 straight derby defeats against Sunderland. Would we be quite so forgiving of Koeman in the same circumstances?

 

He was a mouthpiece for Mike Ashley, forced talented players out the door and admitted openly that top 10 was the target and the cups were not a priority, thus fielding weakened teams in cup games in order to get knocked out early. Hows that for ambition? Would you like it if Koeman and Kruger/Liebherr all came out and said the same?

 

Pardew also repeatedly turned the club in to a laughing stock and attracted constant negative media attention. Getting caught on camera calling Manuel Pellegrini a "f**king old ****", shoving a linesman during a game and headbutting Hull's David Meyler all come to mind without even thinking. Would you like Koeman to act in such a manner?

 

Agreed, Pardew is a very capable manager but let's be honest he's a massive knob personality wise.

[Super_Uwe]

What an extremely naive post.

 

For a start, they never sacked Pardew. Crystal Palace agreed a compensation package with Newcastle.

 

The Newcastle fans did not turn on Pardew because he failed to deliver success or European football. The Newcastle fans turned on Pardew because in the 5 years he was in charge, he is responsible for every single unwanted managerial record going, including presiding over 4 straight derby defeats against Sunderland. Would we be quite so forgiving of Koeman in the same circumstances?

 

He was a mouthpiece for Mike Ashley, forced talented players out the door and admitted openly that top 10 was the target and the cups were not a priority, thus fielding weakened teams in cup games in order to get knocked out early. Hows that for ambition? Would you like it if Koeman and Kruger/Liebherr all came out and said the same?

 

Pardew also repeatedly turned the club in to a laughing stock and attracted constant negative media attention. Getting caught on camera calling Manuel Pellegrini a "f**king old ****", shoving a linesman during a game and headbutting Hull's David Meyler all come to mind without even thinking. Would you like Koeman to act in such a manner?

 

Don't disagree with the reasons why he was disliked, but if he was still there they would in all likelihood be safe by now. It's all very well getting shot of an unpopular manager, but so far it hasn't worked out with John Carver in charge. They are in free-fall at the moment and regardless of whether you think they are a big club not - for the record I personally think they are a massive club - that is all that matters right now. Only saving grace is that seven point cushion; it should just about be enough to see them through to the end of the season.

[sambosa75]

Don't disagree with the reasons why he was disliked, but if he was still there they would in all likelihood be safe by now. It's all very well getting shot of an unpopular manager, but so far it hasn't worked out with John Carver in charge. They are in free-fall at the moment and regardless of whether you think they are a big club not - for the record I personally think they are a massive club - that is all that matters right now. Only saving grace is that seven point cushion; it should just about be enough to see them through to the end of the season.

 

Possibly but lets not let Pardew's recent good form with Crystal Palace cloud our judgement too much. He very nearly got Newcastle relegated last season after a strong start. Who's to say their form would have been any better in the latter half of this season if last season's form was anything to go by.

 

Newcastle fans did not ask for Pardew to be replaced by John Carver. It was a laughable decision made by Mike Ashley in order to save a few quid. Exactly the type of stunt that Newcastle fans have become accustomed to with Ashley running the club.

 

I don't think you can argue that Newcastle are not a big club. Certainly not on the same level as a Man Utd, Man City, Chelsea, Liverpool or Arsenal but about as big as anything underneath that in this country. St James Park is a magnificent stadium and will rival any stadium in the world in terms of atmosphere when they have a team/management that they feel they can get behind.