TwoPints Posted 15 May, 2016 Share Posted 15 May, 2016 Just heard on the BBC that it looks like the suspicious package was left in place by Manchester United's own security people after a training exercise. How the hell can that happen with out someone saying 'hang on, I know what that is'. I know security and people's safety is paramount but surely there has to be some consequences for the club for messing up so much and causing the game to be postponed. Imagine how the Bournemouth fans feel having coughed up the cash to get there and back today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 15 May, 2016 Share Posted 15 May, 2016 if it was their own device, at least it should have been signed out and if that was the case, signed back in. you tend not to be too casual with pipe-bomb replicas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katalinic Posted 15 May, 2016 Share Posted 15 May, 2016 Deduct them 3 points Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miltonaggro Posted 15 May, 2016 Share Posted 15 May, 2016 This was the package Pochettino passed on to Ferguson in the restaurant last week. Turned up today under the dugout... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints foreva Posted 15 May, 2016 Share Posted 15 May, 2016 Man Utd should be forced to refund Bournemouth fans for the ticket and travel, regardless if they took the official travel or made their own way up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 15 May, 2016 Share Posted 15 May, 2016 what would be more worrying. the device was found by a fan? I doubt a fan would be looking for it. It must have been there for days. Probably when they had the anti-terrorism exercise in Manchester earlier in the week? guess they don't check the spaces in OT before opening it up to 76k people Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shirleysfc Posted 15 May, 2016 Share Posted 15 May, 2016 what would be more worrying. the device was found by a fan? I doubt a fan would be looking for it. It must have been there for days. Probably when they had the anti-terrorism exercise in Manchester earlier in the week? guess they don't check the spaces in OT before opening it up to 76k people The news earlier said it was found by a member of staff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 15 May, 2016 Share Posted 15 May, 2016 The news earlier said it was found by a member of staff ah ok. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roboze Posted 15 May, 2016 Share Posted 15 May, 2016 the real bomb went off at st james park, poor Poch Mahaaahaahaha! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plastic Posted 15 May, 2016 Share Posted 15 May, 2016 Idiotic. At least they now have nothing to play for in the league. Everything rests on the cup now, let's hope the kids play on Tuesday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGTL Posted 15 May, 2016 Share Posted 15 May, 2016 This doesn't quite add up to me. Highly convenient to just pass this off as one big mistake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miffy Posted 15 May, 2016 Share Posted 15 May, 2016 Just heard on the BBC that it looks like the suspicious package was left in place by Manchester United's own security people after a training exercise. How the hell can that happen with out someone saying 'hang on, I know what that is'. I know security and people's safety is paramount but surely there has to be some consequences for the club for messing up so much and causing the game to be postponed. Imagine how the Bournemouth fans feel having coughed up the cash to get there and back today. What a shambles! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 15 May, 2016 Share Posted 15 May, 2016 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Biscuits Posted 15 May, 2016 Share Posted 15 May, 2016 I think a private security company in the Manchester area may be receiving quite a hefty bill wth regards to a certain rescheduled match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bazza Posted 15 May, 2016 Share Posted 15 May, 2016 What a shambles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 15 May, 2016 Share Posted 15 May, 2016 This doesn't quite add up to me. Highly convenient to just pass this off as one big mistake. Why? What's the alternative, that they're covering up a genuine bomb? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 15 May, 2016 Share Posted 15 May, 2016 This doesn't quite add up to me. Highly convenient to just pass this off as one big mistake. It all reminds me of those episodes a few years ago when the floodlight failures were caused by betting syndicates. Strange things happen when large amounts of money get involved. It all depends on whether you favour cock-up theories or conspiracies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuncanRG Posted 15 May, 2016 Share Posted 15 May, 2016 (edited) First feeling is relief that nobody tried to plant a bomb, but you've got to feel for all the thousands of fans, police, soldiers and all the rest inconvenienced for nothing. Could the Bournemouth fans reasonably claim compensation from United/whatever company did this exercise? Why? What's the alternative, that they're covering up a genuine bomb? There's a plausible propaganda motive to that, I guess, but then 'suspicious packages' aren't really en vogue with the likely terrorist suspects. Edited 15 May, 2016 by DuncanRG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JxgrSaint Posted 15 May, 2016 Share Posted 15 May, 2016 Apparently they're refunding all tickets AND offering free tickets for Tuesday - good reaction to a colossal cock up tbf... Also nice to see that they've given the bloke that came from Sierra Leone to see his first United game at Old Trafford a ticket for the FA Cup final Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 15 May, 2016 Share Posted 15 May, 2016 This doesn't quite add up to me. Highly convenient to just pass this off as one big mistake. Yeah, how the f**k can this really happen? Clear a stand, delay a kick off, maybe, but the rest of all this is just b****s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nta786 Posted 15 May, 2016 Share Posted 15 May, 2016 Apparently they're refunding all tickets AND offering free tickets for Tuesday - good reaction to a colossal cock up tbf... Also nice to see that they've given the bloke that came from Sierra Leone to see his first United game at Old Trafford a ticket for the FA Cup final Surely if they have refunded your ticket then the game would be free anyways? Or have I just interpreted this wrong? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 15 May, 2016 Share Posted 15 May, 2016 Surely if they have refunded your ticket then the game would be free anyways? Or have I just interpreted this wrong? I think you have, the two are separate. Refunding money for a game that didn't take place is the first step and many of these people will not be able to make the rearranged match. They will not be out of pocket, apart from the travel. They could have then charged for the new game but have decided to let the fans in for free, which is to be commended. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintwbu Posted 15 May, 2016 Share Posted 15 May, 2016 Surely if they have refunded your ticket then the game would be free anyways? Or have I just interpreted this wrong? They've refunded the ticket for today's game, but then also given them a free ticket for the next game. So instead of just getting a new ticket for a new game, you get your money back altogether so you're watching the game free of charge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
positivepete Posted 16 May, 2016 Share Posted 16 May, 2016 How about a points deduction for failing to fulfil the fixture. It was their own fault. Middlesbrough got a points deduction for less a few years ago.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 16 May, 2016 Share Posted 16 May, 2016 How about a points deduction for failing to fulfil the fixture. It was their own fault. Middlesbrough got a points deduction for less a few years ago.. But it wasn't their fault. It was an outside company. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jayrivers Posted 16 May, 2016 Share Posted 16 May, 2016 But it wasn't their fault. It was an outside company. I was thinking about that, but even so shouldn't someone have thought.. oh we have that company in the other day who were searching for fake bombs with dogs. It's not like they wouldn't have been aware they were using the stadium? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Tone Posted 16 May, 2016 Share Posted 16 May, 2016 But it wasn't their fault. It was an outside company. It was a company that they contracted. Many of the functions of a big organisation like that will be sub-contracted, but the responsibility still lies with United. Why on earth didn't it occur to one of their staff that the scare might just be related to the training they'd arranged for this company to run 3 days earlier? I'm surprised there isn't any talk of a fine ..... and IMO there s a case for just awarding the game to Bournemouth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
100%Red&White Posted 16 May, 2016 Share Posted 16 May, 2016 Is it just mind-boggling incompetence of one of the world's biggest football clubs and the security lot? Do they not sweep the stadium before a game? Were the fake bombs not counted out and then back in? How did they keep the cleaners out of those toilets? A cynic might suggest Man Utd may have benefitted from an hour or so delay, that a quickly identified hoax would have bought about, to see how their near neighbours were doing, just a bit of expensive bad luck the game was called off by the authorities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 16 May, 2016 Share Posted 16 May, 2016 It was a company that they contracted. Many of the functions of a big organisation like that will be sub-contracted, but the responsibility still lies with United. Why on earth didn't it occur to one of their staff that the scare might just be related to the training they'd arranged for this company to run 3 days earlier? I'm surprised there isn't any talk of a fine ..... and IMO there s a case for just awarding the game to Bournemouth. Maybe they did think it was related, but you don't take a chance with something like that FFS. What did you want them to do, pick it up and shake it to see if anything rattled? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
positivepete Posted 16 May, 2016 Share Posted 16 May, 2016 But it wasn't their fault. It was an outside company. As stated above, it is clearly their responsibility, therefore their fault. See if the PL or the FA have the balls to sanction them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hutch Posted 16 May, 2016 Share Posted 16 May, 2016 Completely outrageous that fans have suffered the cost of travelling hundreds and hundreds of miles to watch the game, and all for nothing. Bournemouth fans had a fair old journey as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 16 May, 2016 Share Posted 16 May, 2016 As stated above, it is clearly their responsibility, therefore their fault. See if the PL or the FA have the balls to sanction them. Of course it's their fault. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheaf Saint Posted 16 May, 2016 Share Posted 16 May, 2016 Completely outrageous that fans have suffered the cost of travelling hundreds and hundreds of miles to watch the game, and all for nothing. Bournemouth fans had a fair old journey as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjsaint Posted 16 May, 2016 Share Posted 16 May, 2016 To be honest, as much as I'd like to see Man U sanctioned, it would set a bad precedent. Whatever the reason for the alert, I'm glad they put security over money and/or points. I'd hate to get blown up one day because the club whose stadium I was visiting was afraid of a sanction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 16 May, 2016 Share Posted 16 May, 2016 Completely outrageous that fans have suffered the cost of travelling hundreds and hundreds of miles to watch the game, and all for nothing. Bournemouth fans had a fair old journey as well. Very good I'm afraid I missed that the first time I skimmed over it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
positivepete Posted 16 May, 2016 Share Posted 16 May, 2016 To be honest, as much as I'd like to see Man U sanctioned, it would set a bad precedent. Whatever the reason for the alert, I'm glad they put security over money and/or points. I'd hate to get blown up one day because the club whose stadium I was visiting was afraid of a sanction. Quite right, I wouldn't been making the point if it was a genuine security incident. This was not when all is said and done, so as I say it is their fault, and failure to fulfil a fixture when it is in the power of the club to do so is a sanctioning event Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suewhistle Posted 16 May, 2016 Share Posted 16 May, 2016 From The Guardian comments: Security Search Management & Solutions Ltd, a one horse organisation from Kent It has one listed Director of Christopher Philip Reid. Should United give them the bill for the replay no doubt they will just fold. The guy used to work for G4S, so no surprises there! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintant Posted 16 May, 2016 Share Posted 16 May, 2016 This is 100% the responsibility of Man Utd and as such they should receive a massive fine. As someone mentioned earlier surely every club must carry out a complete sweep of a stadium before a match. Obviously this did not happen at Old Trafford which shows that they are putting thousands of lives at risk every time they host a game. Outrageous and they should be made an example of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 16 May, 2016 Share Posted 16 May, 2016 This is 100% the responsibility of Man Utd and as such they should receive a massive fine. As someone mentioned earlier surely every club must carry out a complete sweep of a stadium before a match. Obviously this did not happen at Old Trafford which shows that they are putting thousands of lives at risk every time they host a game. Outrageous and they should be made an example of. The Times today said that it would cost MU about £3m. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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