Demonstration for Swansea game- Time and place!!

[ALWAYS_SFC]

And the purpose of this demonstration?

 

Lowe pr plant or Skate!!!!!

[SFC Forever]

MLT has had a dig on Sky at the board and even Jeff stelling has spoken about our plight. We are gradually getting more coverage and I think we could with a good turnout get the coverage the protest needs.

I also feel that a despairing crowd will quickly turn vociferous if and when Swansea turn the screw. Wotte will feel the force of our feelings and could quickly realise how untenable his position is. Wilde and co will have to do something and with Lowe owning only 6% surely the task at hand can't be that difficult.

I will be at the demonstration and fully expect it to proceed without violence. The anger will show once Swansea start scoring. Then those who want spontanious will get their wish.

[rocknrollman no2]

It seems like the protest may be well attended(on here anyway),so hopefully it will get a good media coverage and as SFC Forever has already touched apon,if we lose to Swansea then things could get interesting to say the least at St Marys.

[redder freak]

What if we beat Swansea?

[georgeg]

I've often wondered whether you only post on here to wind people up, but stating that you'd rather not miss your matchday pints than take part in a protest that would assist the campaign to rid the club of Lowe and all his cronies shows you to be rather shallow and unprincipled.

 

If you want to rid the club of these charlatans, then ridiculing attempts to achieve that end seem petty and negative unless viable alternatives are suggested. Saying that any protests would preferably be spontaneous does not qualify.

 

As to saying that the march will not be well attended, nor well enough publicised, well, of course if many others shared your attitude, then it wouldn't be. If you want these berks to continue running our club into oblivion, then carry on as you are; I'm sure that Lowe will be eternally grateful to you and all the others that will pay their hard earned dosh into the club's coffers regardless of how they misrun the club, just moaning on the internet, but afraid that if they joined a protest march they might miss their matchday booze.

 

Pathetic.

 

got it in one post wes tender - "oh I can't miss my pint just to protest about people that are responsible for the death of my club - my pint is far too important and anyway if everybody is as lazy as me nobody will be there - or there may be a few but they will all be chavs" - FFS Stu what the f**k is more important???!!!

 

well Stu myself (50yrs old) and a fellow fan (40ish) will be doing the march head held up high regardless of the impact as it is our chance to make a stand - also we know this is but one step on the road to clearing the clowns currently in charge of our once great club

[Lunatic Fridge]

And the purpose of this demonstration?

 

Whats it to do with you? Answer your own dumb questions.

[Minstral Man]

I have been a supporter for 45 years and now a shareholder, if you think that protesting about the Directors will achieve anything you live in dream land. If you want to change the club put your hand in your pocket and buy out Wilde & Crouch. Perhaps you could also give us a brief on your solution to the current situation.

[derry]

I have been a supporter for 45 years and now a shareholder, if you think that protesting about the Directors will achieve anything you live in dream land. If you want to change the club put your hand in your pocket and buy out Wilde & Crouch. Perhaps you could also give us a brief on your solution to the current situation.

 

Remind me again why Portvliet said he resigned!!

[Mole]

I have been a supporter for 45 years and now a shareholder.

 

Sh1t happens. Serves you right for trying to make money out of Saints.

[derry]

Alright, so its not Ruperts to sell. That still doesnt get over the fact that as of yet nobody has shown any real interest in buying our club from whoevers it is. There is nobody out there willing to take over from Lowe so what exactly is this protest hoping for?

 

You march, Lowe goes then what....

 

That post still doesn't argue the fact that this march is pointless and will end up being embarrasing.

 

Well done on having friends in London in the PR industry by the way.

 

Without The Lowe axis wanting to sell, despite a minority stake the club is impossible to buy. Because, about 40 shareholders, the majority unnamed, own 81% approx, the remaining 19% is owned by nearly 4000 shareholders.

 

I believe, having observed the viciousness of the fighting and protests at the Doncaster game that this is just the start. I think the games are going to be a nightmare from now on.

 

This demonstration is I think just the start, the small shareholders are stirring, and nearly everybody involved in football in Southampton wants Lowe to go.

 

If I was Lowe, I'd be asking myself do I need to live like this.

[70's Mike]

I have been a supporter for 45 years and now a shareholder, if you think that protesting about the Directors will achieve anything you live in dream land. If you want to change the club put your hand in your pocket and buy out Wilde & Crouch. Perhaps you could also give us a brief on your solution to the current situation.

 

PUT our hands in our pockets like Guy, the 2 Mikes and others did back in 97.

Your post imo puts you very near them if not one of them

[Minstral Man]

My reason for buying shares was to vote Lowe out last time, what have you done other than complain?

[derry]

My reason for buying shares was to vote Lowe out last time, what have you done other than complain?

 

What % of the club do you own, are you one of the 4000?

[Wes Tender]

I have been a supporter for 45 years and now a shareholder, if you think that protesting about the Directors will achieve anything you live in dream land. If you want to change the club put your hand in your pocket and buy out Wilde & Crouch. Perhaps you could also give us a brief on your solution to the current situation.

 

If what you say is true and you have indeed been a Saints fan for 45 years, then you really ought to realise that protests can be successful if supported by the majority of the fan base. Take the Branfoot episode for example.

 

I am also a shareholder, but instead of believing that protesting about the directors will achieve nothing like you, I am savvy enough about the world of business to know that a business without customers will not survive for long.

 

There is no way that the current financial shortfall could sustain the club's continuance for long if attendances fell below 10,000

 

The protest march is just the opening shot across the bows. Personally, I would have gone straight for the mass boycott and stopped farting about with the marches. But when the directors ignore it, the anger will grow amongst the fans so that very soon the motivation will be there to stage the mass boycott. This would be a reality once there have been pursuasive arguments given that the result would be the removal of Lowe and the other current directors by the quickest route. Of course, it would very soon not be in Lowe and Wilde's hands as to whether they stay or go; that would be decided by Barclays and Norwich Union, as it will be made plain to them that Lowe and Wilde's departure will be the only way that the fan base can be united.

 

The brief of the alternative strategy once Lowe and Wilde have departed has been extensively debated on other threads, so instead of repeating them again, perhaps you can do some more reading yourself.

[yorkie]

May sound a bit dumb - but having got a group together to march on SMS - what happens when we get there?

 

Is there going to be songs on the way?

Is a police escort being arranged or provided?

Does a march of football fans in their home town become a threat?

 

Is there a coffin being delivered?

Will there be a 10 minute rally outside the stadium?

What happens when plod or Rupert's brown shirts (sorry stewards) start getting heavy?

Has anyone got a bull horn of getting the message across?

Once at the stadium will there be specific songs to sing?

 

I know it seems a lot to digest - but as someone another thread stated..."Are you the Judea Popular Front?"...the older ones will know what I mean!

 

I have to say I can see it turning into a sombre stroll to SMS with people staring at a bunch of middle aged men; get to SMS and mill about as there will be "true fans" outside waiting to go in; and the opportunity to make a statement is lost.

 

I wonder if any of the pro-Lowe mob will be there to try and shout us down? No I just remebered they'll all be inside on the concourse spending money!

 

No doubt the club will be reading this thread to see what our stratergy is - so we might as well make it known what is intended so everyone can plan for the best. As far as I can see the more the club do to stop a peaceful stroll to a football ground by football fans - the better it is for our cause.

 

Even though Mr Lowe will be on the piste next Saturday, I believe firmly he must be the focus for the anger shown. Wilde doesn't interfere with the football matters - but he still needs to get the message.

 

There are many influentual people inside SMS on matchday in hospitality and the Directors box - surely they must get the message! Personally I would love to see a couple of thousand people turn up. The town centre would come to a complete stand still and the space around SMS would become congested to say the least.

 

I can't wait to see the face of the people watching out the windows when we all turn around and walk away - that will really hurt.

 

I don't know what 2,000 people look like walking away - but it makes a great statement. Personally I would wait until 15.05 as then the full magnitude of the people walking away will be felt.

 

We have less than a week to plan this properly - so who is the focal point?

[SFC Forever]

Of the 15000 plus tickets sold per home game only a small percentage are sold on matchday. Apart from the ST's which as we know are counted whether you turn up or not, why not hold back paying for the tickets until matchday. That will also effect the way the board react. Seeing the possible loss of earnings must add pressure. It may be to late for Swansea but could be used for the next game if still needed. Barclays and the rest want to see the money going in as early as possible so any delay would surely cause concern. If that strategy gave cause for concern the warning shot would have been fired. That with the threat of a boycott to follow might speed up things.

With the media starting to take notice we should surely have little difficulty getting our message across. Things that have happened of late show me that there is the slight rumbling of a panic setting in. Lowe seems to have totally lost the plot and the rest have no spine in my opinion.

This is a war that we have got to win and I believe we will. When the victory comes though there has to be someone ready to step in and lead the way forward. I wish we had started this action earlier because then we could have looked at how we help rebuild our club. Perhaps setting up a trust with thousands putting in a set figure to buy shares. Only after checking our financial position mind. If the debts are beyond our means then we would have to wait for Administration. But if Barclays etc knew that the money was there they would surely want to see what we could offer for the future. I am broke but would be prepared to put £400 into a fund just as long as it could save our club. To me that is 2.5 weeks rent, putting me even further into arrears. That is how badly I want the club to live on for my kids. 10.000 staking would I believe give us £4 million.

It is not enough just to remove the parasite, we have to rebuild. If a buyer was to appear fine, but if not?????

[Snowballs2]

I have been a supporter for 45 years and now a shareholder, if you think that protesting about the Directors will achieve anything you live in dream land. If you want to change the club put your hand in your pocket and buy out Wilde & Crouch. Perhaps you could also give us a brief on your solution to the current situation.

 

 

Oh wow and bully for you, a pretty juvenile attitude if I may say so!

No doubt you will be one of the first on here wringing your hands and saying woe , woe and three times woe if we go out of existance, or will you go down the road to Fratton Park?

[docker-p]

Of the 15000 plus tickets sold per home game only a small percentage are sold on matchday. Apart from the ST's which as we know are counted whether you turn up or not, why not hold back paying for the tickets until matchday. That will also effect the way the board react. Seeing the possible loss of earnings must add pressure. It may be to late for Swansea but could be used for the next game if still needed. Barclays and the rest want to see the money going in as early as possible so any delay would surely cause concern. If that strategy gave cause for concern the warning shot would have been fired. That with the threat of a boycott to follow might speed up things.

With the media starting to take notice we should surely have little difficulty getting our message across. Things that have happened of late show me that there is the slight rumbling of a panic setting in. Lowe seems to have totally lost the plot and the rest have no spine in my opinion.

This is a war that we have got to win and I believe we will. When the victory comes though there has to be someone ready to step in and lead the way forward. I wish we had started this action earlier because then we could have looked at how we help rebuild our club. Perhaps setting up a trust with thousands putting in a set figure to buy shares. Only after checking our financial position mind. If the debts are beyond our means then we would have to wait for Administration. But if Barclays etc knew that the money was there they would surely want to see what we could offer for the future. I am broke but would be prepared to put £400 into a fund just as long as it could save our club. To me that is 2.5 weeks rent, putting me even further into arrears. That is how badly I want the club to live on for my kids. 10.000 staking would I believe give us £4 million.

It is not enough just to remove the parasite, we have to rebuild. If a buyer was to appear fine, but if not?????

 

I'm with you friend. I would gladly put in that amount to save our club and rid us of Lowe/Wilde/Askham

[SW11_Saint]

I have been a supporter for 45 years and now a shareholder, if you think that protesting about the Directors will achieve anything you live in dream land. If you want to change the club put your hand in your pocket and buy out Wilde & Crouch. Perhaps you could also give us a brief on your solution to the current situation.

50+ years old, yet still using playground arguments... hilarious.

[LVSaint]

Best of luck and I hope you get a decent turn out. I'd be there if I could as I'm sure all other expats would be.

[Channon's Sideburns]

We'll have a mention from Mke Osman on Solent in a minute...

[Thorpe-le-Saint]

We'll have a mention from Mke Osman on Solent in a minute...

 

Anything interesting?

[Channon's Sideburns]

Anything interesting?

 

Sent him an email earlier, looks like he will promote the Demo before 12noon.

[Saint_clark]

Sent him an email earlier' date=' looks like he will promote the Demo before 12noon.[/quote']

 

Just announced it.

[Channon's Sideburns]

Cheers Mike - more on Solent tomorrow from 8.30am - ring in guys, let's make it big!

[georgeg]

Sadly doing nothing will cause less damage to the team than pointless protests that will only serve to undermine the confidence of the youngsters.

My priority is to see the team stay up this season not to get involved in pointmess protests that will not do anything in terms interms of finding an investor. We need someone to buy the shares of Lowe, Wilde and Crouch not walk through the streets waving banners and chanting Lowe out.

 

thats nonsense I'm afraid - the march is nothing directly to do with the players - it is all about how our club is being run - most people on the march will be in St Marys giving it their all for the players as usual

 

I cannot seriously believe that you are happy about the pantomine that is the club we all love - the march is not going to change the world but it is the start of a concerted effort to rid us of the deadwood at this club

 

having seen the performance of lowe at the agm I cannot see anybody working with him long term - he has the most appalling arrogant, pompous attitude I have ever, ever come across - do you think the lowe/wilde "partnership" is long term - of course it isn"t

 

its time for all fans to unite in the city and in St Marys

[um pahars]

Some of the best and unified support for the team was during the dark days of the Branfoot protests.

 

It is simple to distinguish between Anti Board and Pro Players support.

[miserableoldgit]

I have been a supporter for 45 years and now a shareholder, if you think that protesting about the Directors will achieve anything you live in dream land. If you want to change the club put your hand in your pocket and buy out Wilde & Crouch. Perhaps you could also give us a brief on your solution to the current situation.

I have been a supporter for over 50 years and a ST holder for 35. What do you expect fans to do when the club is spiralling down the pug-hole at a great rate of knots? Do you expect people to just sit on their hands and say "Oh dear, oh dear - what a to-do, eh?" Oh no, I just noticed. Your solution is for people to put some money up to buy out Lowe et al. Very practical advice! This club is followed by a lot of people with great passion and love. I, sadly, am not in a position financially to buy the 3 Amigos out so I will do what small bit I can to try to bring about change, even if it is just a protest march.

[SW11_Saint]

What if we beat Swansea?

Well let's hope we do - and Norwich.

 

Protesting about the abject performance of the board, is NOT the same as not supporting the team. For the future of the club, it's imperative we stay up - but Lowe and his boards continual mismanagment / bizarre experiments make that a slim hope indeed. THAT is what we are protesting about.

[JoeShmoe]

May sound a bit dumb - but having got a group together to march on SMS - what happens when we get there?

 

Is there going to be songs on the way?

Is a police escort being arranged or provided?

Does a march of football fans in their home town become a threat?

 

Is there a coffin being delivered?

Will there be a 10 minute rally outside the stadium?

What happens when plod or Rupert's brown shirts (sorry stewards) start getting heavy?

Has anyone got a bull horn of getting the message across?

Once at the stadium will there be specific songs to sing?

 

I know it seems a lot to digest - but as someone another thread stated..."Are you the Judea Popular Front?"...the older ones will know what I mean!

 

I have to say I can see it turning into a sombre stroll to SMS with people staring at a bunch of middle aged men; get to SMS and mill about as there will be "true fans" outside waiting to go in; and the opportunity to make a statement is lost.

 

I wonder if any of the pro-Lowe mob will be there to try and shout us down? No I just remebered they'll all be inside on the concourse spending money!

 

No doubt the club will be reading this thread to see what our stratergy is - so we might as well make it known what is intended so everyone can plan for the best. As far as I can see the more the club do to stop a peaceful stroll to a football ground by football fans - the better it is for our cause.

 

Even though Mr Lowe will be on the piste next Saturday, I believe firmly he must be the focus for the anger shown. Wilde doesn't interfere with the football matters - but he still needs to get the message.

 

There are many influentual people inside SMS on matchday in hospitality and the Directors box - surely they must get the message! Personally I would love to see a couple of thousand people turn up. The town centre would come to a complete stand still and the space around SMS would become congested to say the least.

 

I can't wait to see the face of the people watching out the windows when we all turn around and walk away - that will really hurt.

 

I don't know what 2,000 people look like walking away - but it makes a great statement. Personally I would wait until 15.05 as then the full magnitude of the people walking away will be felt.

 

We have less than a week to plan this properly - so who is the focal point?

 

You are absolutely right .. whoever is doing this needs to hand out leaflets, get publicity etc and have a clear plan and agenda fro what you want to do. Otherwise 500 people will walk down a road and it will be all be faintly embrassing

 

You need an end point (SMS, Bates Statue?) and a clearly defined protest, you want the media there etc etc

[sidthesquid]

Do we not give the new manager at least a week's grace before we're all fired up about chanting sack the board etc

[miserableoldgit]

Do we not give the new manager at least a week's grace before we're all fired up about chanting sack the board etc

The basic problem is that we don`t have time for a new manager to bed himself in. If Wotte is that good a manager why did Lowe appoint Poortaloo instead? Apparently Lowe wanted to appoint him a few yers ago but didn`t so why JP instead?:confused:

[SFC Forever]

The time to act has come and I see no reason yet to stop the protest and anything else which will be planned. If anything it is more relevant than ever.Lowe has always been an arrogant **** but he is going to be persuaded one way or another that his time has gone. We need to step the action up, not ease off, as he has got to go. As have some of the board. Our feelings must be shown and the more of us there is the better the message will come across.

[Minstral Man]

Unfortunately protests etc will have no effect, and boycotts will only bring on administration and I assure you you do not want to go down that route. Regretably the only course of action is to stay with RL for the moment as he does appear to be stabilising the financial situation (bank lending reduced by £2 million in 2 months) all we can do is to support our team. COYR

[Lunatic Fridge]

Unfortunately protests etc will have no effect, and boycotts will only bring on administration and I assure you you do not want to go down that route. Regretably the only course of action is to stay with RL for the moment as he does appear to be stabilising the financial situation (bank lending reduced by £2 million in 2 months) all we can do is to support our team. COYR

 

So the ONLY course of action is to stay with RL. You mean the same cretin who has failed us twice. What planet are you on MM - or sorry is it Rupert?

 

And "protests etc will have no effect" - just you wait and see chummy boy!

[miserableoldgit]

effectUnfortunately protests etc will have no effect , and boycotts will only bring on administration and I assure you you do not want to go down that route. Regretably the only course of action is to stay with RL for the moment as he does appear to be stabilising the financial situation (bank lending reduced by £2 million in 2 months) all we can do is to support our team. COYR[/quote

 

 

So are you saying that last weeks "goings on" at the Doncaster game had nothing to do with the off-the-field events of Friday??:confused:

Edited 25 January, 2009 by miserableoldgit

[Wes Tender]

Unfortunately protests etc will have no effect, and boycotts will only bring on administration and I assure you you do not want to go down that route. Regretably the only course of action is to stay with RL for the moment as he does appear to be stabilising the financial situation (bank lending reduced by £2 million in 2 months) all we can do is to support our team. COYR

 

Please don't tell us what we do or do not want to do. You are entitled to your opinion as to what the marches or boycotts will or won't achieve, but it is only your opinion. You just carry on going your own sweet way and leave it to others to take action to rid the club of those who are ruining it. You obviously do not have the imagination to realise that there are other alternatives to Lowe running the club, so you just remain in your cosy little world as the club disappears down the pan whilst others attempt to save it on your behalf.

[70's Mike]

The basic problem is that we don`t have time for a new manager to bed himself in. If Wotte is that good a manager why did Lowe appoint Poortaloo instead? Apparently Lowe wanted to appoint him a few yers ago but didn`t so why JP instead?:confused:

 

 

what a good question ?

[70's Mike]

Unfortunately protests etc will have no effect, and boycotts will only bring on administration and I assure you you do not want to go down that route. Regretably the only course of action is to stay with RL for the moment as he does appear to be stabilising the financial situation (bank lending reduced by £2 million in 2 months) all we can do is to support our team. COYR

 

 

and your information comes from where ?

as i said earlier imo you are very close to the current set up at sms

[saintwarwick]

Oh wow and bully for you, a pretty juvenile attitude if I may say so!

No doubt you will be one of the first on here wringing your hands and saying woe , woe and three times woe if we go out of existance, or will you go down the road to Fratton Park?

 

Administration is a possibility but please less with the over dramatics.

[SFC Forever]

Well said Wes Tender.

What a lot of people don't seem to have realised is the whole point of this protest. We don't expect miracles but we are merely firing a shot acros the bows. If it was that simple we could have done this weeks ago. We are trying to establish a groundswell of support for the fight. At least that is my take on the situation at the moment.

[Minstral Man]

Sorry I was out of the country last Friday, please explain

[Wes Tender]

Sorry I was out of the country last Friday, please explain

 

Welcome back Rupert.

[Gorgiesaint]

Unfortunately protests etc will have no effect, and boycotts will only bring on administration and I assure you you do not want to go down that route. Regretably the only course of action is to stay with RL for the moment as he does appear to be stabilising the financial situation (bank lending reduced by £2 million in 2 months) all we can do is to support our team. COYR

 

So would you mind revealing the source of this information?

 

If this is true, then it surely demonstrates that costs have been overcut & that Lowe's assertions that we could not afford Pearson were pure fantasy.

[70's Mike]

So would you mind revealing the source of this information?

 

If this is true, then it surely demonstrates that costs have been overcut & that Lowe's assertions that we could not afford Pearson were pure fantasy.

 

 

do not hold your breath i asked that question earlier, guess what

no answer

[Thorpe-le-Saint]

This is the 'highlights' of a brief message I sent to everyone who has joined this group.

 

Connor is now in charge of this group, and all correspondance should go to him. (I believe his email is listed at the start of this thread). Cheers.

 

Colleagues have advised me thatthe national coverage this group, and therefore I, had recieved via Sky Sports News was in danger of potentially threatening my career as a teacher. Their reasons for this being that parents may consider these actions I am taking to be unprofessional and therefore potentially harmful to the education their children would recieve and the GTC could take action. After speaking with my Head of Department and the Headteacher, I have decided to step down as 'creator' of this group and I am withdrawing from any admin/officer role.

 

Connor, who is doing a fantastic job, will now be in charge of this protest and any requests etc should go to him.

Edited 25 January, 2009 by Thorpe-le-Saint

[Minstral Man]

In the public domain, I am sorry this is my last post I have to go to the suana after a hard days skiing. I will be back for Saturday however. COYR

[70's Mike]

In the public domain, I am sorry this is my last post I have to go to the suana after a hard days skiing. I will be back for Saturday however. COYR

 

 

rubbish and rumbled

[Norm]

This is the 'highlights' of a brief message I sent to everyone who has joined this group.

 

Connor is now in charge of this group, and all correspondance should go to him. (I believe his email is listed at the start of this thread). Cheers.

 

To cut a long story short: On Friday January 23rd, I recieved an e-mail from the GTC (The General Teaching Council for England) regarding this protest. I was told that the national coverage this group, and therefore I, had recieved via Sky Sports News was in danger of potentially threatening my career as a teacher. Their reasons for this being that parents may consider these actions I am taking to be unprofessional and therefore potentially harmful to the education their children would recieve. After speaking with my Head of Department and the Headteacher, I have decided to step down as 'creator' of this group and I am withdrawing from any admin/officer role.

 

Connor, who is doing a fantastic job, will now be in charge of this protest and any requests etc should go to him.

 

 

SHAMEFUL! I thought (wrongly, it seems) that we still had F of S in this country. To my mind, what you do in your OWN time is ****all to do with the GTC. You can bet that they would not have sent that email if you were ...................................., I better not write that!

Email them back and write "Kiss my ar*e!"

I bet you wish that you could write that to the morons!

[brmbrm]

In the public domain, I am sorry this is my last post I have to go to the suana after a hard days skiing. I will be back for Saturday however. COYR

 

The recession bites! In those good old days Lowe could afford better PR than this plonker!

 

I am NOT going to the Swansea game: in my mind "plastic" means bunging money into Lowe's trousers. I will likely go on the march though - when i get to the stadium, I turn round and go back, or maybe i should burn £25 as a gesture? Nah - give it to charity instead.

 

Lowe out! One down, two to go! (That includes you Menstrual Man).