Russia

[whelk]

8 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

Just imagine if somebody could devise a sort of economic union of the European countries.Perhaps they would let the UK join it.

But they would make us have straight bananas and put anyone who used imperial measurements in jail.

[Whitey Grandad]

35 minutes ago, whelk said:

So good of them. I am actually starting to think optimistically about a future where we ignore US as best we can. Far better uniting with Europe 

Not to be trusted. 

[badgerx16]

Putin says that a ceasefire is not acceptable if Ukraine is allowed to rearm and retrain it's armed forces. Presumably Russia would guarantee not to do the same.

[egg]

Vladimir Putin says fighting must end in Ukraine, but adds a ceasefire should lead to "enduring peace and remove underlying causes of this crisis"

Odd that a world leader asks to be taken out. 

[Whitey Grandad]

1 hour ago, egg said:

Vladimir Putin says fighting must end in Ukraine, but adds a ceasefire should lead to "enduring peace and remove underlying causes of this crisis"

Odd that a world leader asks to be taken out. 

Heh, Vladimir! 

 

Come and look at the view out of this open window.

[Baird of the land]

I assume putin is delaying until Kursk operation is completed.

[Lighthouse]

31 minutes ago, Baird of the land said:

I assume putin is delaying until Kursk operation is completed.

Putin is a tyre kicker. He has no interest in a lasting, peaceful ceasefire and will manipulate the situation as best he can to further his military ambitions. Trump is nothing but an extremely useful idiot who may force Ukraine into concessions which benefit  Russia.

[badgerx16]

According to Ukrainian media, there has been a sharp increase over the last month in the number of former US military personnel applying to join the Ukrainian army.

[Killers Knee]

Ukraine still winning 😂

[Whitey Grandad]

1 hour ago, Killers Knee said:

Ukraine still winning 😂

Still a sovereign independent country.

[Saint in Paradise]

 

[badgerx16]

The US is reducing it's support for investigations into possible Russian war crimes. Another concession to Putin.

[badgerx16]

Steven Witkoff, US Special Advisor to the Middle East, has said that the results of the referendums that Russia held in the occupied ares of Ukraine demonstrate that the people there want to be Russian, completely ignoring the facts around those polls where those people that hadn't fled the military occupation, or been detained by the Russians, were asked at gunpoint whether they wanted to be assimilated. It appears that yet another of Putin's key demands has already been conceded.

Mind you, given the views of Trump and his cronies towards elections, is this surprising.

[skintsaint]

Just now, badgerx16 said:

Mind you, given the views of Trump and his cronies towards elections, is this surprising.

They are taking notes to somehow get him another term.

[badgerx16]

Given Putin's comments this morning regarding the Ukrainian Government, maybe Zelensky should suggest that there is a democratic election in Russia, under the supervision of the UN, and then peace talks could take place with Russia's new 'legitimate' leadership.

[Weston Super Saint]

3 years into the special military operation and people are talking about 'increasing sanctions'.

Why haven't these sanctions already been put in place over the last 3 years?

[whelk]

56 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

3 years into the special military operation and people are talking about 'increasing sanctions'.

Why haven't these sanctions already been put in place over the last 3 years?

Was thinking the same. Why the fuck are they not on maximum from day1

[egg]

7 hours ago, badgerx16 said:

Given Putin's comments this morning regarding the Ukrainian Government, maybe Zelensky should suggest that there is a democratic election in Russia, under the supervision of the UN, and then peace talks could take place with Russia's new 'legitimate' leadership.

My thoughts exactly. 

[badgerx16]

7 hours ago, Weston Super Saint said:

3 years into the special military operation and people are talking about 'increasing sanctions'.

Why haven't these sanctions already been put in place over the last 3 years?

 

7 hours ago, whelk said:

Was thinking the same. Why the fuck are they not on maximum from day1

Europe has still not weaned itself off Russian oil and gas.

[Lighthouse]

Some things are more useful as a threat, should Russia try and escalate in some way. Basically Europe isn’t playing all of its cards straight away.

[badgerx16]

Russia still launching attacks on civilian targets, causing multiple fatalities including children.

[Weston Super Saint]

24 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

Russia still launching attacks on civilian targets, causing multiple fatalities including children.

They aren't Muslim children though so no one gives a fuck.

[egg]

13 hours ago, Weston Super Saint said:

They aren't Muslim children though so no one gives a fuck.

Both conflicts are awful and need to stop, but they're different in so many ways - different scales of death, different motivation, and different levels of international support/condemnation. Israeli attacks have killed or injured at least 100 children in the last day in Gaza, and 2/3 are still being forcibly displaced. What's happening in Ukraine is awful, but pointing to the religion of the victim children as you have is poor form. 

 

[Weston Super Saint]

1 hour ago, egg said:

Both conflicts are awful and need to stop, but they're different in so many ways - different scales of death, different motivation, and different levels of international support/condemnation. Israeli attacks have killed or injured at least 100 children in the last day in Gaza, and 2/3 are still being forcibly displaced. What's happening in Ukraine is awful, but pointing to the religion of the victim children as you have is poor form. 

 

I think you've proved my point!

There hasn't been any hand wringing from the usual suspects in this thread when innocent Ukrainian children have been killed - and it's been happening for a lot longer than the Gaza conflict.

All innocent children deaths are wrong, however, on this board it's clear that some think the deaths of Muslim children are far more noteworthy than others.

Unfortunately this is the result of endless virtue signalling.

[whelk]

1 hour ago, egg said:

but pointing to the religion of the victim children

There is only one poster obsessed with the religion of victims. Points it out at every turn how much glee we all get from Muslim deaths as unlike him we are all heartless bastards. Any ideas to whom I’m referring?

[sadoldgit]

Obsessed? Pointing out the obvious fact that there are several people on here who clearly think it is ok for one lot of civilians to be killed and another lot not okay is hardly an obsession, it is trying to put things into context. I am sure that most people on here can understand that killing civilians is unacceptable no matter who they are. Sadly a few of you think that some are fair game. 

[whelk]

9 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

Obsessed? Pointing out the obvious fact that there are several people on here who clearly think it is ok for one lot of civilians to be killed and another lot not okay is hardly an obsession, it is trying to put things into context. I am sure that most people on here can understand that killing civilians is unacceptable no matter who they are. Sadly a few of you think that some are fair game. 

Oh you thought I was talking about you?

[sadoldgit]

2 minutes ago, whelk said:

Oh you thought I was talking about you?

It doesn’t matter if you were or were not. The simple fact is that you have said very clearly on here that the tens of thousands of innocent people in Gaza deserved what they get because, in one way or another, they are associated with Hamas. You, and a few others, have not shown any kind of sympathy towards the Palestinian people, be it in Gaza or those being thrown out of their homes on the West Bank. If it was the other way round, you would be all over it like a rash. Why do you use the word “obsession”?  Would you use that word in a pejorative sense to describe those who keep the memory of the Holocaust alive? What is happening right now is an obscenity. You think we should just turn a blind eye to what is happening (and I include 7th October in this and all of the events prior). People have the perfect right to live in peace without having their land stolen by the neighbours, whoever they are. Wouldn’t you agree? Both the Ukrainians and the Palestinians are currently having their human rights put under threat by more powerful neighbours. You ok with that?

[CB Fry]

He's a business genius and no mistake.

 

See also: every store in every mall in every state in America. So much winning for the thick cunts.

 

Edited 5 April, 2025 by CB Fry
Sorry it looks like I put this on the wrong thread. So I'm a forum genius.

[hypochondriac]

2 hours ago, Weston Super Saint said:

I think you've proved my point!

There hasn't been any hand wringing from the usual suspects in this thread when innocent Ukrainian children have been killed - and it's been happening for a lot longer than the Gaza conflict.

All innocent children deaths are wrong, however, on this board it's clear that some think the deaths of Muslim children are far more noteworthy than others.

Unfortunately this is the result of endless virtue signalling.

I don't think it's because the victims are Muslim. It's got more to do with the people on the other side of the conflict. 

[hypochondriac]

1 hour ago, sadoldgit said:

It doesn’t matter if you were or were not. The simple fact is that you have said very clearly on here that the tens of thousands of innocent people in Gaza deserved what they get because, in one way or another, they are associated with Hamas. You, and a few others, have not shown any kind of sympathy towards the Palestinian people, be it in Gaza or those being thrown out of their homes on the West Bank. If it was the other way round, you would be all over it like a rash. Why do you use the word “obsession”?  Would you use that word in a pejorative sense to describe those who keep the memory of the Holocaust alive? What is happening right now is an obscenity. You think we should just turn a blind eye to what is happening (and I include 7th October in this and all of the events prior). People have the perfect right to live in peace without having their land stolen by the neighbours, whoever they are. Wouldn’t you agree? Both the Ukrainians and the Palestinians are currently having their human rights put under threat by more powerful neighbours. You ok with that?

You heard it here first guys. Israel are the equivalent of Russia. 

[aintforever]

3 hours ago, Weston Super Saint said:

I think you've proved my point!

There hasn't been any hand wringing from the usual suspects in this thread when innocent Ukrainian children have been killed - and it's been happening for a lot longer than the Gaza conflict.

All innocent children deaths are wrong, however, on this board it's clear that some think the deaths of Muslim children are far more noteworthy than others.

Unfortunately this is the result of endless virtue signalling.

You are having a laugh surely, this whole thread has been having go at Putin from the start. It’s Muslim lives that are clearly seemed as less valuable by the usual Islamophobes on here. Imagine the outcry if it were Israeli kids getting killed in such numbers by Muslims every day.

[hypochondriac]

17 minutes ago, aintforever said:

You are having a laugh surely, this whole thread has been having go at Putin from the start. It’s Muslim lives that are clearly seemed as less valuable by the usual Islamophobes on here. Imagine the outcry if it were Israeli kids getting killed in such numbers by Muslims every day.

If only life and conflict situations were so simplistic. 

[egg]

3 hours ago, hypochondriac said:

If only life and conflict situations were so simplistic. 

Weston's attempt at showing a double standard rather demonstrated double standards. Nowt wrong in highlighting that. 

[hypochondriac]

1 hour ago, egg said:

Weston's attempt at showing a double standard rather demonstrated double standards. Nowt wrong in highlighting that. 

The statement "if it were Israeli kids getting killed in such numbers by Muslims each day" is one divorced of all context and is thus simplistic in the extreme. 

[aintforever]

2 hours ago, hypochondriac said:

The statement "if it were Israeli kids getting killed in such numbers by Muslims each day" is one divorced of all context and is thus simplistic in the extreme. 

And “They aren't Muslim children though so no one gives a fuck.” isn’t.  

[Mixedkebab]

5 hours ago, egg said:

Weston's attempt at showing a double standard rather demonstrated double standards. Nowt wrong in highlighting that. 

What part of Yorkshire are you from?

5 hours ago, egg said:

 

Edited 5 April, 2025 by Mixedkebab

[egg]

6 hours ago, Mixedkebab said:

What part of Yorkshire are you from?

 

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Edited 6 April, 2025 by egg

[Lighthouse]

Looks like the three day military operation which Trump promised to end in a day is going to keep running.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c89gpg4jpllt

[badgerx16]

"The US will abandon trying to broker a Russia-Ukraine peace deal within days unless there are clear signs a truce can be reached, the US Secretary of State Marco Rubio has warned.

Rubio said the US wanted to help end the war but was willing to move on if there were no immediate signs of progress.

"We're not going to continue with this endeavour for weeks and months on end," Rubio said, adding that the US had "other priorities to focus on"."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c20x5xn1g92

 

Putin has no desire for peace, and Trump had no appetite for trying to push him into it. So much for fixing it in one day, or within the first 100 days in office.

Edited 18 April, 2025 by badgerx16

[revolution saint]

1 hour ago, badgerx16 said:

"The US will abandon trying to broker a Russia-Ukraine peace deal within days unless there are clear signs a truce can be reached, the US Secretary of State Marco Rubio has warned.

Rubio said the US wanted to help end the war but was willing to move on if there were no immediate signs of progress.

"We're not going to continue with this endeavour for weeks and months on end," Rubio said, adding that the US had "other priorities to focus on"."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c20x5xn1g92

 

Putin has no desire for peace, and Trump had no appetite for trying to push him into it. So much for fixing it in one day, or within the first 100 days in office.

Clearly and obviously abandoned the idea that the threat of arming Ukraine to the teeth would force Putin to the negotiating table.  

[badgerx16]

From FOX News

[spyinthesky]

17 hours ago, badgerx16 said:

From FOX News

Good grief.

Rupert Murdoch and his clan must be well proud of their incisive and balanced News Service.

[badgerx16]

The US says both Ukraine and Russia must "give up territory" or they will walk away from the peace process. In effect Ukraine gets back a small part of what Russia has occupied, and the Kremlin gets to keep the rest, including Crimea.

Putin's SMO is justified and agression prevails.

[egg]

4 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

The US says both Ukraine and Russia must "give up territory" or they will walk away from the peace process. In effect Ukraine gets back a small part of what Russia has occupied, and the Kremlin gets to keep the rest, including Crimea.

Putin's SMO is justified and agression prevails.

Although that was always inevitable, the horrific approach and messaging from the US leaves no room for manoeuvre on the Ukrainian side, and creates expectation on the Russian side. It will still end in a carve up, but it's a question of when. With the apparent Russian dominance on the ground, and the inability to properly defend themselves without US intelligence and Musk's tech, I'd imagine the Ukrainians will do a deal sooner rather than later. 

[Baird of the land]

1 hour ago, badgerx16 said:

The US says both Ukraine and Russia must "give up territory" or they will walk away from the peace process. In effect Ukraine gets back a small part of what Russia has occupied, and the Kremlin gets to keep the rest, including Crimea.

Putin's SMO is justified and agression prevails.

Always on the cards when a nuclear superpower is/ has been involved. 

 

 

[inspectorfrost]

On 28/03/2025 at 09:23, whelk said:

Was thinking the same. Why the fuck are they not on maximum from day1

Because they've been a failure, were largely anticipated and are now just a virtue signalling exercise.

When you had Liz Truss a few years ago haughtily declaring that a new round of sanctions would bring the Russian war machine grinding to a halt, it tells you all need to know.

 

[AlexLaw76]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cp348ygjgy3o

[Turkish]

27 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cp348ygjgy3o

Kind of how negotiations work right?

[AlexLaw76]

1 hour ago, Turkish said:

Kind of how negotiations work right?

Was always the case here.