Tyler Dibling

[Wiggles31]

I can see a situation where clubs won’t pay our asking price as they don’t think it’s worth the risk, so Dibling stays for another season. The club needs to stay firm. He should tear up the Championship which would increase his value. Similar situation to Grealish and Gibbs-White. 

[LuckyNumber7]

1 hour ago, Wiggles31 said:

I can see a situation where clubs won’t pay our asking price as they don’t think it’s worth the risk, so Dibling stays for another season. The club needs to stay firm. He should tear up the Championship which would increase his value. Similar situation to Grealish and Gibbs-White. 

Problem with that is, unless he signs a new contract, he will only have a year left next summer which will diminish his value. 

If he won't sign a new contract, we really need to sell him this summer to maximise his value.

[Saint_Jonny]

I honestly don't see Dibling doing any better than Edozie did for us in the Championship last time out. I think he will do "fine" at times and frustrate a lot more than people think, and that he will end up being worth fuck all.

[sockeye]

10 minutes ago, Saint_Jonny said:

I honestly don't see Dibling doing any better than Edozie did for us in the Championship last time out. I think he will do "fine" at times and frustrate a lot more than people think, and that he will end up being worth fuck all.

Dibling had good form early last season. When it became clear that we were going to be relegated, and the manager merry go round began, his performances dipped. It is not uncommon for young players to have on and off spells. With some stability and pragmatism to use Dibling to his skillset rather than in a system, I see no reason why he can’t be fit and firing this season. 

[IFHP]

19 hours ago, Dusic said:

If Sunderland get over £30m for Jobe Bellingham then Dibling is easily worth £50m.

Don’t agree , Jobe Bellingham has done more , albeit in the league we now find our self’s in , then Dibling has. Far more.

i know who I’d rather have playing for us this coming season. 

[OnceaSaintalwaysaSaint]

2 hours ago, IFHP said:

Don’t agree , Jobe Bellingham has done more , albeit in the league we now find our self’s in , then Dibling has. Far more.

i know who I’d rather have playing for us this coming season. 

I know too. I'm afraid Dibbers was grossly overhyped at the beginning of last season based on little more than a couple of runs at defenders and he's grossly overrated. Can't track back, can't hold up the ball, can't see a pass. A few months ago, I was laughed out of court when suggesting he was worth £20-25m rather than the £100m the club put on him, but any offers above £20m should merit serious consideration. 

[Master Bates]

This is a joke account right?

 

[pimpin4rizeal]

Hope we are pushing hard to get him to sign a new contract, would be a disappointment if he wouldn’t sign .I’m not usually one for transfer fees but this one seems a tricky one .. if he doesn’t tear up the championship his transfer value could br pretty much half, and contract would be running low too .. really need to try tie him down really and it would have been a good idea to do that before we started giving him all the premiership game time 

[Saint_lambden]

1 hour ago, pimpin4rizeal said:

Hope we are pushing hard to get him to sign a new contract, would be a disappointment if he wouldn’t sign .I’m not usually one for transfer fees but this one seems a tricky one .. if he doesn’t tear up the championship his transfer value could br pretty much half, and contract would be running low too .. really need to try tie him down really and it would have been a good idea to do that before we started giving him all the premiership game time 

There's a new contract offer on the table for him but he's not going to sign it as it's not seen by his side to be a good offer at all. The club know he's off this summer, it's just not clear to who or for how much. All the 'new' contract would do would bump up his value slightly with longer for it to run. 

[Football Special]

Is Jay Robinson ahead of him for a starting place now anyway? 

[Dusic]

14 minutes ago, Football Special said:

Is Jay Robinson ahead of him for a starting place now anyway? 

They don't play in the same position so no.

If for some reason Dibling is still here he is clearly a starter.

Edited Monday at 07:53 by Dusic

[Tamesaint]

If he goes at least the bloke who sits behind me won't be able to go on about "the vicar". Dibling.... Dibley. Getit?? 

Not surprised it never caught on. 

[Turkish]

6 minutes ago, Tamesaint said:

If he goes at least the bloke who sits behind me won't be able to go on about "the vicar". Dibling.... Dibley. Getit?? 

Not surprised it never caught on. 

that's hilarious, epic terrace banter. Reminds me of the bloke who used to be near me who would shout "come on oooover" at Holiveld every time the ball went near him in his thickest (in more ways than one) Hampshire accent, then look round to see who was laughing. Oh how we laughed.

[pimpin4rizeal]

4 hours ago, Saint_lambden said:

There's a new contract offer on the table for him but he's not going to sign it as it's not seen by his side to be a good offer at all. The club know he's off this summer, it's just not clear to who or for how much. All the 'new' contract would do would bump up his value slightly with longer for it to run. 

I swear if it was me and I rated him highly .. he would have to sign a decent contract before he even gets any game time last year .. reward the ones who sign !.  If you don’t wanna sign ok then your oppurtunititess go to Sam amo or jay Robinson if they sign instead.. 

Edited Monday at 11:34 by pimpin4rizeal

[sockeye]

Just now, pimpin4rizeal said:

I swear if it was me and I rated him highly .. he would have to sign a decent contract before he even gets any game time last year .. reward the ones who sign !.  If you don’t wanna sign ok then your oppurtunititess go to Sam amo or jay Robinson instead if they sign instead.. 

If he doesn't play though his value certainly doesn't go up. His value is only high because he showed what he can do in the Premier League last season.

[pimpin4rizeal]

4 minutes ago, sockeye said:

If he doesn't play though his value certainly doesn't go up. His value is only high because he showed what he can do in the Premier League last season.

Don’t care about his value we shouldn’t let players call the shots like this it’s weak and stupid .. Sam amo or jay might have been worth more if we fully blooded them .. I want youngsters that wanna be here  if you take the kinda approach that they sign before getting oppurtuities it puts the club in control not the player 

Edited Monday at 11:42 by pimpin4rizeal

[bugenhagen]

When it comes to transfer fee, the club values him based on what he showed glimpses of. 

When it comes to contract, the club does not value him based on those highs, but you can be damn sure Dibling and his agent do. 

The club value him higher as a transfer asset than they are willing to pay him in wages. I have no problem seeing that he will be reluctant to sign a new contract. 

[sockeye]

57 minutes ago, pimpin4rizeal said:

Don’t care about his value we shouldn’t let players call the shots like this it’s weak and stupid .. Sam amo or jay might have been worth more if we fully blooded them .. I want youngsters that wanna be here  if you take the kinda approach that they sign before getting oppurtuities it puts the club in control not the player 

He does want to be here. That is pretty clear. He is still training and still playing, not downing tools to get a move. He simply does not want to sign a new contract, and is adhering to the terms of his current deal. Refusing to commit his future to Saints for the next 4 years does not mean he does not want to be here in the now. Holding youngsters hostage on the bench until they sign a new deal is 1) a terrible look for a club which has youth development as a main goal, 2) totally nonsensical. Presumably we want to extend his deal because he can make a difference on the pitch for us. What use is not playing him then.

Edited Monday at 12:39 by sockeye

[Chez]

1 hour ago, pimpin4rizeal said:

Don’t care about his value we shouldn’t let players call the shots like this it’s weak and stupid .. Sam amo or jay might have been worth more if we fully blooded them .. I want youngsters that wanna be here  if you take the kinda approach that they sign before getting oppurtuities it puts the club in control not the player 

I understand where you are coming from, but to be fair, he did sign a professional contract with us that tied him to the club for 3.5 years. Just how long does he have to commit before he is allowed to play? 

[Charlie Wayman]

The lad is a bit of an enigma. he's already had one shot at joining a big club - the World Club Champions no less - but hated the experience and came running back to St Mary's with his tail between his legs.

Now we are asked to believe that he will not sign a new contract. The only way that makes sense is for his agents head to be prevailing over the players heart.

[Chez]

8 minutes ago, Charlie Wayman said:

The lad is a bit of an enigma. he's already had one shot at joining a big club - the World Club Champions no less - but hated the experience and came running back to St Mary's with his tail between his legs.

Now we are asked to believe that he will not sign a new contract. The only way that makes sense is for his agents head to be prevailing over the players heart.

He was what, 16, when he went to Chelsea? He was a shy lad and believe it or not, he couldn't get a game for their academy side. The Chelsea academy was packed with extremely confident and talented England age-group players and he just didn't really fit in. And that's why he chose to come back to Southampton. 

That was three years ago. 

Since then, he has  become a first team PL player. I suspect he's a little bit more mature and confident. Sure, his agent will have a big part to play in him not signing a new contract - and that's because it's his job - to negotiate the best possible contract for his client. If you are saying that we should call the agent's buff because he won't go anywhere, that's a very risky tactic. 

[gio1saints]

IF Tyler is valued at >£30M by Saints then he is right to want to be paid at or close to the going rate for that kind of player. 
The “ going rate” salary ahead of that transfer fee being banked though, would have to take into account he’s done fuck all so far except show glimpses of high potential in some EPL matches. And he is v young with NO track record or medals/experience to back him up. All he’s done is get relegated.m and played u21 football.
 

Given all that he still believe it’s in Saints interests that he be offered at least the median rate in the squad if not upper quartile. If he is still on £5k pw it would be right to add a zero ( to £50k pw) and extend his contract 3 years - imo. He can still leave next year if he’s good enough and wants to and if so we’d get more ££ ~ and he’d be a better player for it. Be the right solution all around I’d hope. Leaving now before season starts - bit of a sickener really. 

Edited Monday at 14:19 by gio1saints

[Doctoroncall]

6 minutes ago, gio1saints said:

IF Tyler is valued at >£30M by Saints then he is right to want to be paid at or close to the going rate for that kind of player. 
The “ going rate” salary ahead of that transfer fee being banked though, would have to take into account he’s done fuck all so far except show glimpses of high potential in some EPL matches. And he is v young with NO track record or medals/experience to back him up. All he’s done is get relegated.m and played u21 football.
 

Given all that he still believe it’s in Saints interests that he be offered at least the median rate in the squad if not upper quartile. If he is still on £5k pw it would be right to add a zero ( to £50k pw) and extend his contract 3 years - imo. He can still leave next year if he’s good enough and wants to and if so we’d get more ££ ~ and he’d be a better player for it. Be the right solution all around I’d hope. Leaving now before season starts - bit of a sickener really. 

I think there is a difference between a player who could be a £30m plus player and one performing as one. 
 

If he’s still on his first contract then the club should recognise his first team status at least. 

[macca155]

Surely focusing on his transfer value is missing the point. 

Tyler's highest value to Saints is playing, and providing a significant edge to the attack. 

Players who run directly at  defenders are very rare. That's why they are valued so highly.

Once a defender is taken out of the game, by being nutmegged or whatever, modern zonal defence strategies are weakened. Do it enough times and goals will happen.

Young Tyler caused utter panic in defences at times last year. They can't continually foul him, and if they double up that leaves gaps.

The problem last year, and there were many, was that young Tyler could beat two defenders, have space in front of him, but there would be no one anywhere near him to provide an outlet.

I'd imagine that is very demoralising, so no surprise his form dropped off 

Just play him and stop worrying about contracts. 

[Mr Nimbus]

He's a different profile of player, however if/when Mbeumo moves I can see Dibling being an attractive option for Brentford.

I can't see any of the big 6 now targeting TD (perhaps United may come back on the radar if the above deal doesn't materialise)  To my mind he's always been a second/third choice option for those teams (I could be wrong)

We sold quite a few of our players late into August last time in the Championship so IF he goes, I think it will be around that time period. I wouldn't be surprised to see him play the first game even. Similar to JWP and Tella.

FWIW if he does stay he will comfortably be one of the best players in the division in my opinion.

Edited Monday at 15:17 by Mr Nimbus

[Fabrice29]

5 hours ago, pimpin4rizeal said:

Don’t care about his value we shouldn’t let players call the shots like this it’s weak and stupid .. Sam amo or jay might have been worth more if we fully blooded them .. I want youngsters that wanna be here  if you take the kinda approach that they sign before getting oppurtuities it puts the club in control not the player 

All this does/would do is leave you over paying players who haven't played or under paying players who have played and played well. Which isn't a culture thats going to attract good talents. Other than that, top idea.

[Gloucester Saint]

2 hours ago, macca155 said:

Young Tyler caused utter panic in defences at times last year. They can't continually foul him, and if they double up that leaves gaps.

The problem last year, and there were many, was that young Tyler could beat two defenders, have space in front of him, but there would be no one anywhere near him to provide an outlet.

The opposition managers would’ve been saying, ‘give Dibling and Fernandes a whack early on, keep KWP occupied. The rest of them can’t play for shit at this level’. 

[macca155]

6 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said:

The opposition managers would’ve been saying, ‘give Dibling and Fernandes a whack early on, keep KWP occupied. The rest of them can’t play for shit at this level’. 

So true and that will be even more of a tactic this year.

However if Saints have Dibling, Robinson, and Fernades constantly probing, and they can somehow get a striker finding some form then no way will the average Championship defence cope.

'If' is doing a lot of heavy lifting there

 

[Farmer Saint]

As I said previously, he has too many red flags to go for the amount we want, and he won't sign a new deal. It's a bit of an impasse.

I also don't think he'll be much good apart from with us...I don't think he can cope well with change (as a lot of us on the spectrum can't). It causes huge anxiety. I think this will ultimately means if he leaves he is likely to flame out...and ultimately will return again.

[CB Fry]

11 hours ago, pimpin4rizeal said:

it would have been a good idea to do that before we started giving him all the premiership game time 

Honestly this is absolutely mental thinking.

 

[Gloucester Saint]

1 hour ago, Farmer Saint said:

As I said previously, he has too many red flags to go for the amount we want, and he won't sign a new deal. It's a bit of an impasse.

I also don't think he'll be much good apart from with us...I don't think he can cope well with change (as a lot of us on the spectrum can't). It causes huge anxiety. I think this will ultimately means if he leaves he is likely to flame out...and ultimately will return again.

Agree, but the agent will want their pound of flesh.

[pimpin4rizeal]

19 hours ago, CB Fry said:

Honestly this is absolutely mental thinking.

 

Respect your views but not sure what’s mental about it.

I think we would all agree that we would all be happier if he had a couple of years extra on his contract right now. Likewise we should all agree that there would have been more chance of getting him to sign for longer before we gave him a week in week out chance to shine in the premier league ?

our position to negotiate  with our youngsters is obviously at its strongest before a player starts getting all the hype and interest from other clubs, not to mention their own egos and agents influencing them, so our window for getting this sorted is before not after .

im not saying we should tie every youth player to huge long deals but it would be a idea to try and get the ones you think are gonna be potentially top class tied down for a decent length before you start letting them loose . It’s even not a huge risk financially as it’s not like they will be commanding huge wages before they have hardly even got a game, take jay Robinson for example with him we moved very swiftly after his debut to get him tied down to 2029 that’s a extra 2 years over dibling but gives us a lot more control and power if he turns out great . And it’s not gonna be like he’s on huge wages yet so this one we handled a bit better 

With dibling now if he doesn’t commit to a new deal we start to already be put over a barrel when it come to wanting to keep him or us sticking to our valuation by next season we will be looking at one year left and our valuation starts plummetting . 
 

[Chez]

1 hour ago, pimpin4rizeal said:

Respect your views but not sure what’s mental about it.

I think we would all agree that we would all be happier if he had a couple of years extra on his contract right now. Likewise we should all agree that there would have been more chance of getting him to sign for longer before we gave him a week in week out chance to shine in the premier league ?

our position to negotiate  with our youngsters is obviously at its strongest before a player starts getting all the hype and interest from other clubs, not to mention their own egos and agents influencing them, so our window for getting this sorted is before not after .

im not saying we should tie every youth player to huge long deals but it would be a idea to try and get the ones you think are gonna be potentially top class tied down for a decent length before you start letting them loose . It’s even not a huge risk financially as it’s not like they will be commanding huge wages before they have hardly even got a game, take jay Robinson for example with him we moved very swiftly after his debut to get him tied down to 2029 that’s a extra 2 years over dibling but gives us a lot more control and power if he turns out great . And it’s not gonna be like he’s on huge wages yet so this one we handled a bit better 

With dibling now if he doesn’t commit to a new deal we start to already be put over a barrel when it come to wanting to keep him or us sticking to our valuation by next season we will be looking at one year left and our valuation starts plummetting . 
 

Dibling was given a 3.5 year deal almost immediately after his first first team game - so we did tie him down to a decent length contract before he was "let loose".

 

  

[Chez]

20 hours ago, Gloucester Saint said:

Agree, but the agent will want their pound of flesh.

Won't the agent get paid whether he stays or goes in the form of a percentage of the player's wages and/or signing on fees?

 

[pimpin4rizeal]

30 minutes ago, Chez said:

Dibling was given a 3.5 year deal almost immediately after his first first team game - so we did tie him down to a decent length contract before he was "let loose".

 

  

Whilst true that was in 2023 so a chunk of that deal had already gone and that’s before we unleashed him in the premier league … just think if we rated him enough to be starting premier league games it’s a bit naive to expect him to extend once he’s attracted a load of better options 

[Gloucester Saint]

41 minutes ago, Chez said:

Won't the agent get paid whether he stays or goes in the form of a percentage of the player's wages and/or signing on fees?

 

Yes but it’s how much.

[Saint Fan CaM]

I’m 50-50 on whether it’s worth keeping him or not - he’s seemingly got loads of potential, but there’s little evidence that he has what it takes to realise that potential at the moment. Maybe that’s something that happens at Championship level who knows. I’m not sure he really wants to leave and I wonder whether the stupidly high £100m price tag is an indication of that rather than anything else, although it’s baffling why he’s not signed a new deal. If it’s a game of cat and mouse I don’t think his agent is in a particularly strong position frankly.

[S-Clarke]

46 minutes ago, Saint Fan CaM said:

I’m 50-50 on whether it’s worth keeping him or not - he’s seemingly got loads of potential, but there’s little evidence that he has what it takes to realise that potential at the moment. Maybe that’s something that happens at Championship level who knows. I’m not sure he really wants to leave and I wonder whether the stupidly high £100m price tag is an indication of that rather than anything else, although it’s baffling why he’s not signed a new deal. If it’s a game of cat and mouse I don’t think his agent is in a particularly strong position frankly.

I think he's the sort of player that's really important for us to keep, it sets the right tone. Technically he's brilliant, touch, movement, upper body strength - he can be frighting on his day at the top level, I can't wait to see him against lesser players with more time.

I hope he has the right support around him to advise him that a season with us, in the Championship, is going to be 1000000% times more beneficial to his career than sitting on the bench at Spurs. It might not be better for his pocket, but he's young enough to still have ample opportunity to earn that big move.

From our point of view and sell on value, yes, we'd lose out if he doesn't sign a contract - but he still wouldn't walk for free, we'd have a player with 1 year left and still a British premium on him. I'm kind of looking at this from a pure footballing point of view rather than finance, I couldn't really care less if we end up having to sell him for less in a year, if he can help us in the here and now then we'll make up for his drop in value with tons of promotion prize money. (hopefully)

[hypochondriac]

24 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

I think he's the sort of player that's really important for us to keep, it sets the right tone. Technically he's brilliant, touch, movement, upper body strength - he can be frighting on his day at the top level, I can't wait to see him against lesser players with more time.

I hope he has the right support around him to advise him that a season with us, in the Championship, is going to be 1000000% times more beneficial to his career than sitting on the bench at Spurs. It might not be better for his pocket, but he's young enough to still have ample opportunity to earn that big move.

From our point of view and sell on value, yes, we'd lose out if he doesn't sign a contract - but he still wouldn't walk for free, we'd have a player with 1 year left and still a British premium on him. I'm kind of looking at this from a pure footballing point of view rather than finance, I couldn't really care less if we end up having to sell him for less in a year, if he can help us in the here and now then we'll make up for his drop in value with tons of promotion prize money. (hopefully)

I'd love to see Dibling doing really well with us this season, not just because it's good for us but it would ultimately be good for him too. I can't see a team paying what we'd like for him because he's just too much of a risk and I reckon he could get lost. 

[Fabrice29]

Appeared to be playing centrally at one point based on those highlights today. His best position going forward for me. 

[pimpin4rizeal]

4 hours ago, Saint Fan CaM said:

I’m 50-50 on whether it’s worth keeping him or not - he’s seemingly got loads of potential, but there’s little evidence that he has what it takes to realise that potential at the moment. Maybe that’s something that happens at Championship level who knows. I’m not sure he really wants to leave and I wonder whether the stupidly high £100m price tag is an indication of that rather than anything else, although it’s baffling why he’s not signed a new deal. If it’s a game of cat and mouse I don’t think his agent is in a particularly strong position frankly.

Yeah me too people criticise sulemana for end product but he was no worse then dibling with under half the game time .. he’s a good dribbler and at the start of the season looked like he could beat  people for fun . But I haven’t really been impressed with anything else .. second half of the season he looked like a sullky passenger  

of all the top youngsters we have sold and even including ones not from the academy like Lavia and livramento I’m usually gutted but with dibling I think he’s kinda flattering to deceive and would be tempted to cash in whilst the values high .. 

let’s say we where to play him or Adam Armstrong on the right .. I’d actually be really surprised if dibling contributed anything near the goals/assists we got from AA  in the championship last time  he’s a lot more elegant and skillfull but somehow I doubt he would be more effective at this level 

atm he’s kinda looking like a luxury player who probably wouldn’t have the impact of Armstrong at this level and at the same time not committing to us anyway .. so doesn’t really seem worth holding 

Edited 3 hours ago by pimpin4rizeal

[CB Fry]

7 hours ago, pimpin4rizeal said:

Respect your views but not sure what’s mental about it.

I think we would all agree that we would all be happier if he had a couple of years extra on his contract right now. Likewise we should all agree that there would have been more chance of getting him to sign for longer before we gave him a week in week out chance to shine in the premier league ?

our position to negotiate  with our youngsters is obviously at its strongest before a player starts getting all the hype and interest from other clubs, not to mention their own egos and agents influencing them, so our window for getting this sorted is before not after .

im not saying we should tie every youth player to huge long deals but it would be a idea to try and get the ones you think are gonna be potentially top class tied down for a decent length before you start letting them loose . It’s even not a huge risk financially as it’s not like they will be commanding huge wages before they have hardly even got a game, take jay Robinson for example with him we moved very swiftly after his debut to get him tied down to 2029 that’s a extra 2 years over dibling but gives us a lot more control and power if he turns out great . And it’s not gonna be like he’s on huge wages yet so this one we handled a bit better 

With dibling now if he doesn’t commit to a new deal we start to already be put over a barrel when it come to wanting to keep him or us sticking to our valuation by next season we will be looking at one year left and our valuation starts plummetting . 
 

I just don't think its going to work like that, ever. We can't afford to start giving long lucrative contracts to players before they've even played a single game, on the chance they turn out to be world beaters.

What huge contract should we have given to that Jankewitz who plenty on here was screaming about being world class? Turned out be shit. Plus all the others that are supposed wonder kids that never did it.

Who is supposed to be making these decisions to tie up expensive long contracts and salaries on players before they kick a ball for us in the first? Madness.

This is all coming from a unrealistic world where the players themselves are oblivious to their own value, the agent is oblivious to their true players value so get duped into signing their life away so the club gets "control" and ownership. 

That might been what happened to The Backstreet Boys but it ain't happening in 2025 top level football.

The players and agents aren't as dopey and powerless as you think they are. 

Edited 3 hours ago by CB Fry

[Turkish]

3 minutes ago, CB Fry said:

I just don't think its going to work like that, ever. We can't afford to start giving long lucrative contracts to players before they've even played a single game, on the chance they turn out to be world beaters.

What huge contract should we have given to that Jankewitz who plenty on here was screaming about being world class? Turned out be shit. Plus all the others that are supposed wonder kids that never did it.

Who is supposed to be making these decisions to tie up expensive long contracts and salaries on players before they kick a ball for us in the first? Madness.

This is all coming from a unrealistic world where the club and the club alone work out a player is good and somehow "lock them up" with contacts they can't get out off.

A world where the player themselves are oblivious to their own value, the agent is oblivious to the players value so get duped into signing their life away so the club gets "control" and ownership. 

That might been what happened to The Backstreet Boys or something but it ain't happening in 2025 top level football.

The players and agents aren't as dopey and powerless as you think they are. 

I think it’s hilariously naive that there are still people who think we can tie down all our top young players into long contracts on low wages and them and their agents will be like starry eyed little boys signing the contract as soon as the can with no idea of anything else going on in the insestuous, money obsessed  football world, what their market value and wage expectations should be. 
 

[Saint Fan CaM]

1 hour ago, Turkish said:

I think it’s hilariously naive that there are still people who think we can tie down all our top young players into long contracts on low wages and them and their agents will be like starry eyed little boys signing the contract as soon as the can with no idea of anything else going on in the insestuous, money obsessed  football world, what their market value and wage expectations should be. 
 

Agreed - and yet Dibling is still with us, with no new contract signed or a new deal offered from another club.  Why is that do you think?

[Willo of Whiteley]

1 hour ago, Turkish said:

I think it’s hilariously naive that there are still people who think we can tie down all our top young players into long contracts on low wages and them and their agents will be like starry eyed little boys signing the contract as soon as the can with no idea of anything else going on in the insestuous, money obsessed  football world, what their market value and wage expectations should be. 
 

Some people believe that real like is like a computer game. 🤣