What Is Happening To Our Country?

[egg]

3 hours ago, revolution saint said:

How about they're undemocratic?  The idea that you can be born into the role of head of state regardless of ability or talent is laughable.  The Andrew that you describe as a complete idiot and an embarrassment was once second in line to the throne and could easily have ended up as King.  

He was, but unusually, I agree with Ralph. The Royal Family has more benefits than negatives for me, and the talk of binning it off because Andy is a wrong un is nonsense. 

[Sir Ralph]

1 minute ago, egg said:

He was, but unusually, I agree with Ralph. The Royal Family has more benefits than negatives for me, and the talk of binning it off because Andy is a wrong un is nonsense. 

Bloody hell we should frame this 🤣

[Farmer Saint]

3 minutes ago, Sir Ralph said:

Not really though. Odd typo from a company I am working with - Veritas and this. You seem more intent on picking up minor comments from me rather than engaging in any point raised. Some would call this childish. You don’t like and I don’t like you but address substantive points

What, you don't think asking me to post a picture of my car is childish?

[Sir Ralph]

5 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

What, you don't think asking me to post a picture of my car is childish?

You will note that whenever I make a comment you attack it personally rather than engaging with the key point. Just now is a great example. Didn’t engage the point but attacked me. Look at the discussion with others just now, no abuse just different views. 

 

To my own shame I often then follow you down the childish route. If you just stick to the actual point being discussed rather than getting personal it would be better. Applies to both of us

Edited yesterday at 18:10 by Sir Ralph

[revolution saint]

3 minutes ago, egg said:

He was, but unusually, I agree with Ralph. The Royal Family has more benefits than negatives for me, and the talk of binning it off because Andy is a wrong un is nonsense. 

That was just an illustration of the absurdity of the hereditary principle.  Andy being a wrong un hasn't affected my opinion of the monarchy in the slightest

[egg]

6 minutes ago, revolution saint said:

That was just an illustration of the absurdity of the hereditary principle.  Andy being a wrong un hasn't affected my opinion of the monarchy in the slightest

I get that, but you linked the two separate issues. For me, I don't see the fuss - the royal family don't have a negative impact on anyone, thus the hereditary principle doesn't impact them. It feels that people take a principled objection for the sake of it. 

[Gloucester Saint]

One positive, via @Farmer Saint I’ve discovered the Viz-like Rotherham Bugle.

Another funny from them

https://www.rotherhambugle.com/2023/01/22/barnsley-man-forced-to-abandon-car-on-smart-motorway-due-to-beer-fart/

[Farmer Saint]

15 minutes ago, Sir Ralph said:

You will note that whenever I make a comment you attack it personally rather than engaging with the key point. Just now is a great example. Didn’t engage the point but attacked me. Look at the discussion with others just now, no abuse just different views. 

 

To my own shame I often then follow you down the childish route. If you just stick to the actual point being discussed rather than getting personal it would be better. Applies to both of us

The problem is you come on here, extremely bolshy, with simplistic arguments. You say you went to Uni, but you don't check or cite your sources, verify or even read-through what you've written to ensure it makes sense. That's the basics you learn when doing University coursework. You don't answer questions that you know give your arguments issues. You tell multiple economics graduates that they know nothing about economics. You tell us we're not who we say we are. You make up people to back up your theories and then, when you get caught, you write "Have a good evening" or "Cheerio". 

So yeah, I will fucking pick you up for every mistake you make. It's damn easy, and it's plentiful.

[Farmer Saint]

Just now, Gloucester Saint said:

One positive, via @Farmer Saint I’ve discovered the Viz-like Rotherham Bugle.

Another funny from them

https://www.rotherhambugle.com/2023/01/22/barnsley-man-forced-to-abandon-car-on-smart-motorway-due-to-beer-fart/

It's like Southend News Network. It's great.

[Sir Ralph]

46 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

The problem is you come on here, extremely bolshy, with simplistic arguments. You say you went to Uni, but you don't check or cite your sources, verify or even read-through what you've written to ensure it makes sense. That's the basics you learn when doing University coursework. You don't answer questions that you know give your arguments issues. You tell multiple economics graduates that they know nothing about economics. You tell us we're not who we say we are. You make up people to back up your theories and then, when you get caught, you write "Have a good evening" or "Cheerio". 

So yeah, I will fucking pick you up for every mistake you make. It's damn easy, and it's plentiful.

You are entitled to your own opinion but I think you’re wrong on many counts and get angry when people disagree with you.  When you get abusive and childish I say “cheerio”. I quote multiple more sources and articles you ever have so that is complete rubbish. I don’t tend to make these accusations at other people, only you and for a reason.Best we ignore each others posts but I’ll let you have the last word….

Edited yesterday at 19:16 by Sir Ralph

[sadoldgit]

4 hours ago, Sir Ralph said:

I’m off the Switzerland to use Dignitas. Put me down now

We’ll chip in for your fare Ralph.

[Sir Ralph]

10 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

We’ll chip in for your fare Ralph.

Thanks

Edited yesterday at 19:06 by Sir Ralph

[Stripey McStripe Shirt]

[badgerx16]

2 hours ago, Sir Ralph said:

This is your perspective and here-say though. At least I’ve put some evidence from parties with no apparent agenda. People normally take views based on evidence and advice. Having lived abroad in a country that loved the royals with Americans who also loved the royals my perspective is different to yours.

Do you think there would be more tourists in Paris, Vienna, Rome, and Berlin, if there were still Royal families there ?

[Colinjb]

7 minutes ago, Stripey McStripe Shirt said:

"Happy Birthday to me......."

[The Kraken]

The driver has a complete look of “here we fucking go again, you daft cunt”.

[ChrisPY]

Arrest of the century.

[Holmes_and_Watson]

53 minutes ago, Stripey McStripe Shirt said:

"Pizza express on the way home, Sir? It's no sweat"

The rodent look of someone for who being whisked away for a 12 hour birthday treat, wasn't what it used to be.

Considering all the like minded monsters he's met over the years, it would be nice if this was just the start, and he starts talking.

[Sir Ralph]

1 hour ago, badgerx16 said:

Do you think there would be more tourists in Paris, Vienna, Rome, and Berlin, if there were still Royal families there ?

Probably yes but I think you should factor in that those countries have lost their royal families and therefore the rarity of major royal families in existence makes the UK more attractive to tourists. It may not appeal to you but to countries with a lack of such heritage (eg the US, ozzies, Canadians, South Americans, etc) this is more appealing

Edited 23 hours ago by Sir Ralph

[sadoldgit]

4 hours ago, badgerx16 said:

3 of the Queen's 4 children are divorced, I would say they are a typical family.

Apparently Phillip was a serial shagger (along with Mountbatten) as was Margaret. Her first husband was too. There were also rumours that Queen Liz had a bit on the side. As we know Andrew and Fergie both played away. Charles was an adulterer too and was heard to lament that it wasn’t fair that he forbears were allowed mistresses but his affair with Camilla was frowned upon.

There are rumours that William has a bit on the side too.

More like a typical soap opera family I would say.

[ChrisPY]

9 minutes ago, Sir Ralph said:

Probably yes but I think you should factor in that those countries have lost their royal families and therefore the rarity of major royal families in existence makes the UK more attractive to tourists. It may not appeal to you but to countries with a lack of such heritage (eg the US, ozzies, Canadians, South Americans, etc) this is more appealing

I’m surprised that Sir Jim hasn’t sold the first team squad and just started selling tours of Old Trafford as the main business.

[ChrisPY]

6 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

Apparently Phillip was a serial shagger (along with Mountbatten) as was Margaret. Her first husband was too. There were also rumours that Queen Liz had a bit on the side. As we know Andrew and Fergie both played away. Charles was an adulterer too and was heard to lament that it wasn’t fair that he forbears were allowed mistresses but his affair with Camilla was frowned upon.

There are rumours that William has a bit on the side too.

More like a typical soap opera family I would say.

I heard you met Laurence Llewelyn-Bowen and Ann Widdecombe at a mutual friend’s funeral in Kent then you and Laurence made Ann airtight in a private room at the wake.

#rumour

[egg]

9 minutes ago, ChrisPY said:

I heard you met Laurence Llewelyn-Bowen and Ann Widdecombe at a mutual friend’s funeral in Kent then you and Laurence made Ann airtight in a private room at the wake.

#rumour

You won't find much about William in British media, but plenty elsewhere. Interesting. 

Edited 23 hours ago by egg

[bpsaint]

2 hours ago, Holmes_and_Watson said:

"Pizza express on the way home, Sir? It's no sweat"

The rodent look of someone for who being whisked away for a 12 hour birthday treat, wasn't what it used to be.

Considering all the like minded monsters he's met over the years, it would be nice if this was just the start, and he starts talking.

If there’s any chance of him squealing on some pretty important people then I’m sure even Royal Randy Andy isn’t immune to a murder dressed as suicide like his pal Jeff.

[Holmes_and_Watson]

11 minutes ago, bpsaint said:

If there’s any chance of him squealing on some pretty important people then I’m sure even Royal Randy Andy isn’t immune to a murder dressed as suicide like his pal Jeff.

Accidentally decapitated while shaving, in keeping with royal executions.

[Whitey Grandad]

10 hours ago, aintforever said:

They are just a bunch of fuck-ups, gone from being a pointless expense to an expensive embarrassment. Get rid I say.

A lot cheaper than having a president. 

[revolution saint]

I’m thinking of going on holiday abroad. Main criteria is a current monarchy, any recommendations? 

[trousers]

I think we should abolish the monarchy to increase the chances of ending up with someone of the ilk of Trump as the head of our country.... 

[revolution saint]

1 hour ago, trousers said:

I think we should abolish the monarchy to increase the chances of ending up with someone of the ilk of Trump as the head of our country.... 

whom you could also remove under a democratic system, unlike a king or queen who ended up similar to Trump.

Edited 17 hours ago by revolution saint

[Weston Super Saint]

6 hours ago, revolution saint said:

I’m thinking of going on holiday abroad. Main criteria is a current monarchy, any recommendations? 

Australia?

[egg]

5 hours ago, revolution saint said:

whom you could also remove under a democratic system, unlike a king or queen who ended up similar to Trump.

There'd be relevance to that if the monarch made any government decisions. They don't, and there's no need to remove someone who doesn't do anything meaningful. Putting aside a principled stance, what's the detriment of us having a hereditary monarchy? 

[AlexLaw76]

[tdmickey3]

6 hours ago, trousers said:

I think we should abolish the monarchy to increase the chances of ending up with someone of the ilk of Trump as the head of our country.... 

We could end up with Farage

[Gloucester Saint]

6 hours ago, trousers said:

I think we should abolish the monarchy to increase the chances of ending up with someone of the ilk of Trump as the head of our country.... 

Very sensible point. As the lawyer for some of Epstein’s victims said on C4 News last night, he’s been charged at this stage with what are effectively corruption in public office allegations, and not sexual offences (yet). But the point she made is that it shows the UK is still a fully functioning western democracy unlike her own country which has become a banana republic under Trump and Vance with the various billionaires, ex-and-current Presidents who have probably far worse on file than Andrew to come out but useful idiots like Bondi suppress.

[Gloucester Saint]

17 minutes ago, tdmickey3 said:

We could end up with Farage

The electorate need to ensure we don’t through tactical voting, and I think we will. Braverman joining them will put most even most current or former Tory members off bar the absolute headbangers, and the England Members Club/EDL element will go to Lowe anyway with Musk’s funding. 

[tdmickey3]

2 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said:

The electorate need to ensure we don’t through tactical voting, and I think we will. Braverman joining them will put most even most current or former Tory members off bar the absolute headbangers, and the England Members Club/EDL element will go to Lowe anyway with Musk’s funding. 

Hopefully

[badgerx16]

Terry Pratchett had it right;

"Royalty is the tradition where Kings practice waving whilet normal people do the real work".

"Royalty is like dandelions, no matter how many heads you chopped off, the roots were still there underground, waiting to spring up again".

"Kings. What a good idea. Whoever had created humanity had left in a major design flaw. It was its tendency to bend at the knees.” 

".....she lived in hope, and prepared her granddaughter for a royal life by seeing to it, whenever possible, that Ermintrude was not taught anything that could possibly be of any practical use whatsoever."

"Every trade, every craft had its hat. That’s why kings had hats. Take the crown off a king and all you had was someone good at having a weak chin and waving to people. Hats had power. Hats were important."

"Royalty pollutes people’s minds, boy. honest men start bowing and bobbing just because someone’s granddad was a bigger murdering bastard than theirs was.”

[badgerx16]

Given there are apparently "millions" of people decended from Richard the Third, how did Chuck get the gig ?

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-59041055

Edited 11 hours ago by badgerx16

[badgerx16]

9 hours ago, Whitey Grandad said:

A lot cheaper than having a president. 

How much do you think the President of the Irish Republic costs ? 

People thinking that having a President automatically means having a despot like Trump running roughshod over democracy and the Consitution forget there are other, more ceremonial, models of presidency, that do not bring the baggage, fawning sycophancy, and undue deference that attend the Monarchy.

[Lord Duckhunter]

22 hours ago, sadoldgit said:

and we were served breakfast by Sophie’s brother (Prince Edward’s wife)

Fuck me,another one 🤣🤣

Don’t tell me, you knew it was him because Parker-Bowles introduced you…

[Lord Duckhunter]

5 hours ago, Gloucester Saint said:

Very sensible point. As the lawyer for some of Epstein’s victims said on C4 News last night, he’s been charged at this stage with what are effectively corruption in public office allegations, and not sexual offences (yet). But the point she made is that it shows the UK is still a fully functioning western democracy unlike her own country which has become a banana republic under Trump and Vance with the various billionaires, ex-and-current Presidents who have probably far worse on file than Andrew to come out but useful idiots like Bondi suppress.

Let’s see what happens to Peti before we start congratulating ourselves that the law applies to everyone here. Andrew’s an easy target now, the Firm have thrown him to the wolves. The establishment have always and will always protect themselves, every bit as much as US politicians do. They’re just not so open about it. 

[Holmes_and_Watson]

23 hours ago, sadoldgit said:

They could still come and see all of that stuff without a Royal Family couldn’t they? Open up Royal Palaces as hotels and maybe we’d get more visitors?

I once stayed in a pub which did b & b (the Royal Oak near Rye) and we were served breakfast by Sophie’s brother (Prince Edward’s wife). Imagine the pull for tourism if you could have them wait on you! 

 

8 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

Fuck me,another one 🤣🤣

Don’t tell me, you knew it was him because Parker-Bowles introduced you…

I had no idea that Sophie's brother was also Prince Edward's wife. Progressive.

[Lord Duckhunter]

“Hi, I’ll be your server today.  how do you like your eggs, by the way,  my sister is married to Prince Edward”…

[Turkish]

16 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

Fuck me,another one 🤣🤣

Don’t tell me, you knew it was him because Parker-Bowles introduced you…

I don’t know why you’re surprised. I was served by Kate Middletons uncle in the Starbucks at Leigh Delamare services a while back. I know this because he asked me what milk I want and when I told him “full fat please none of this oatmilk woke nonsense” he replied “you remind me of my niece, she only likes full fat milk, you might know her, she’s married to the next in line for the throne” 

[Lord Duckhunter]

He did run a pub, but jacked after a load of middle class wankers kicked off at a reunion breakfast. Now works as an undertaker. Perhaps that’s where Soggy was introduced to him, at his mate David Bowie’s funeral.