Russell Martin

[Weston Super Saint]

7 minutes ago, Disco Stu said:

“If I was looking to sign a goalkeeper, I would want to go and sign Gavin Bazunu for the way that we play. Gavin is going to be a great goalkeeper."

Let's see if he stands by that comment. 

Does Gav need a lift to Leicester?

[tdmickey3]

The players are already planning what to do with their extra days off

Edited 10 hours ago by tdmickey3

[Dusic]

Think its a decent move by Leicester in that they were very successful under Maresca in a not dissimilar style and may well have the strongest squad once again and he will get them playing his way very quickly.

Fully expect him to get them promoted and then its a question of whether he has learned from last year.

Certainly don't see this as being a benefit to us.

 

[Patrick Bateman]

1 hour ago, Disco Stu said:

“If I was looking to sign a goalkeeper, I would want to go and sign Gavin Bazunu for the way that we play. Gavin is going to be a great goalkeeper."

Let's see if he stands by that comment. 

When did he say that? What a frightening manager he is ... no learnings at all. 

[Miltonaggro]

2 hours ago, gio1saints said:

I think it’s clever from LCFC. Won’t be a more motivated manager in that league than him. 

RM will attempt to leverage the points deduction up into a massive club wide grudge. His team indeed the whole club, will start with this “unfair” handicap in their heads and he will use this and his player relationship skills in particular to turn that grudge into a fighting against the odds tight squad and team.
 

He will then attempt to turn that tight team into a replica of his last championship team playing possession based football but with tweaks. I expect interesting times! 
 

 

Good to know Leicester have got three big tits heading their way.

[Gloucester Saint]

1 hour ago, Patrick Bateman said:

When did he say that? What a frightening manager he is ... no learnings at all. 

Fans forum with Wilcox and Parsons August 2023. It was in response to a fan’s question about Bazanu being statistically the worst by a mile in the PL the season before and therefore it was a priority to upgrade?

Logical and reasonable query asked reasonably, widely applauded in the audience.

That was the gist of his response although it omits the snippy tone. TBF, Martin could hardly have responded with ‘yeah, he’s dreadful isn’t he? Like sticking Sekou Mara in goal. Won’t make a Championship goalkeeper whilst he has a hole in his arse’ even though the truth, but he didn’t need to embellish it to say that he wasn’t already at the club he would be a priority signing for his footballing ability (ignoring basics like stopping shots, catching etc).

Lets hope Spors and Still are a lot more honest with Dragan about SR’s vanity projects and the fact Gavin will need the bulk of his wages subsidised for the next two years at Exeter, Stockport, Barnsley or wherever he is loaned out. Not Cheltenham Town though, I’ve seen far too much of Gavin already.

Edited 7 hours ago by Gloucester Saint

[Gloucester Saint]

2 hours ago, Dusic said:

Think its a decent move by Leicester in that they were very successful under Maresca in a not dissimilar style and may well have the strongest squad once again and he will get them playing his way very quickly.

Fully expect him to get them promoted and then its a question of whether he has learned from last year.

Certainly don't see this as being a benefit to us.

 

He will need to get a record points total if he does as it looks as if they can’t escape a substantial deduction this time. And he won’t do that passing 50 triangles between the keeper and centre backs. He’s welcome to Bazanu, Smallbone, Stephens etc though.

[HarvSFC]

Just have to hope Leicester can still afford to sign Bazunu, Stephens, Manning, Smallbone, Fraser and potentially Wood with all the sanctions they're reportedly in line to get.

[Harry_SFC]

4 hours ago, Dusic said:

Think its a decent move by Leicester in that they were very successful under Maresca in a not dissimilar style and may well have the strongest squad once again and he will get them playing his way very quickly.

Fully expect him to get them promoted and then its a question of whether he has learned from last year.

Certainly don't see this as being a benefit to us.

 

lets be honest, he doesn't want to learn anything. He made that quite clear. He will only play one way. Whilst they will win a fair few games, I'd back us to beat them twice. 

[gurru991]

4 minutes ago, Harry_SFC said:

lets be honest, he doesn't want to learn anything. He made that quite clear. He will only play one way. Whilst they will win a fair few games, I'd back us to beat them twice. 

He has been more than clear that his team will only play one way & that’s what makes him a Championship manager only. Manager’s & teams have to adapt to survive in the Premier when even the lower teams are very good.    The 16th & 17th placed teams are competing for a cup & Champions league today & that says a lot about the Premier.

[OnceaSaintalwaysaSaint]

8 hours ago, The Kraken said:

He recently gave a long interview with Gary Lineker.  There’s a bit, around 52 - 53 minutes where he’s talking about his time with Saints in the PL and he says “I’ve learned a lot, but would I do things differently? No.”

Also said one of his main mistakes was changing formations too much.

Appreciate you've got to be arrogant and thick-skinned to be a manager...but I think he's just thick. There's so much he could have done differently to have given us a fighting chance. Genuinely think he's the worst of our last four managers.

[S-Clarke]

A message to all Leicester fans who are on here, wondering if he's any good.

He's not great, which may seem odd as he got us promoted, but I really don't rate the bloke.

It's all about him.

It's him before the team. He does not and will not adapt. It doesn't matter who he has avaliable to him, or who he is playing against, it's his way or no way and it's so, so, so frustrating to witness and watch.

He'll build up a good rapport as he speaks a good game, players love him as he plays the 'mates' game, but just watch how spikey he gets when things go wrong. 

He concedes way too many goals to be a real success, especially if you're battling a points deduction. That's not just me being bias from his time here, it's a consistent factor from his time at Swansea and MK Dons too. His style encourages mistakes, and you will see mistakes. Lots of them.

You may well score a lot of goals if you have the right mix up the top, but you'll be forever frustrated by the fact that you 1) can't hold onto games and 2) you're always having to score 3 or 4 to win.

He underwhelmed me last season massively, I didn't think he improved us or did anything special with us. We were very fortunate to go up in the end, as our end of season form was an absolute mess. What happened when we did go up shows you where we actually were as a team, we were never anywhere near good enough. And that's on him.

He's one of these really irritating modern day coaches who sounds amazing when he talks, and everyone wants to lick his arse, but when he's managing your side you sit in an almost constant state of head in hands.

Our new coach Will Still may well be a similar type, so we'll wait and see on this one. But on Martin, enjoy the good times and prepare for the almost inevitable frustration as you see the same stupid things over, and over again.

[Fabrice29]

Think if any Leicester fans did bother to read this forum they would be a little perplexed as to why Martin is such a bad appointment in one thread but the manager they hounded out themselves this year is being favoured to take over here by some in another  

[SaintsBarry74]

Judging from their forum, they seem to be absolutely fuming about this. 😂

[The Kraken]

I actually actually think he’ll do well for Leicester in the Championship, and if they don’t get clobbered with an enormous points penalty they’ll be up there.

[trousers]

1 hour ago, S-Clarke said:

A message to all Leicester fans who are on here, wondering if he's any good.

He's not great, which may seem odd as he got us promoted, but I really don't rate the bloke.

It's all about him.

It's him before the team. He does not and will not adapt. It doesn't matter who he has avaliable to him, or who he is playing against, it's his way or no way and it's so, so, so frustrating to witness and watch.

He'll build up a good rapport as he speaks a good game, players love him as he plays the 'mates' game, but just watch how spikey he gets when things go wrong. 

He concedes way too many goals to be a real success, especially if you're battling a points deduction. That's not just me being bias from his time here, it's a consistent factor from his time at Swansea and MK Dons too. His style encourages mistakes, and you will see mistakes. Lots of them.

You may well score a lot of goals if you have the right mix up the top, but you'll be forever frustrated by the fact that you 1) can't hold onto games and 2) you're always having to score 3 or 4 to win.

He underwhelmed me last season massively, I didn't think he improved us or did anything special with us. We were very fortunate to go up in the end, as our end of season form was an absolute mess. What happened when we did go up shows you where we actually were as a team, we were never anywhere near good enough. And that's on him.

He's one of these really irritating modern day coaches who sounds amazing when he talks, and everyone wants to lick his arse, but when he's managing your side you sit in an almost constant state of head in hands.

Our new coach Will Still may well be a similar type, so we'll wait and see on this one. But on Martin, enjoy the good times and prepare for the almost inevitable frustration as you see the same stupid things over, and over again.

 

[Dusic]

Seeing the Spurs celebrations reminded me of Wembley and how great that day was. Those one off games/moments of success are what it is all about as a football fan.

For that reason - I personally find the level of dislike for Russell Martin to be quite bizarre.

He had one full season here, inherited a shitshow and gave pretty much every Saints fan one of their best days supporting the club winning a playoff final at Wembley. Those moments will be remembered by those who were there forever.

[Lighthouse]

2 hours ago, S-Clarke said:

He underwhelmed me last season massively, I didn't think he improved us or did anything special with us

He got us promoted at the first attempt and achieved our longest unbeaten league run in over a century. Will that not do?

2 hours ago, S-Clarke said:

We were very fortunate to go up in the end, as our end of season form was an absolute mess

We went up by going unbeaten against all the other playoff teams in every game all season. 6 wins and 3 draws, including the playoff games themselves. We were also right in the hunt for the autos with four games left.

2 hours ago, S-Clarke said:

What happened when we did go up shows you where we actually were as a team, we were never anywhere near good enough. And that's on him.

I would advise Leicester not to sign Lallana, Sugawara and Wood, should they get promoted, next summer.

 

2 hours ago, S-Clarke said:

but when he's managing your side you sit in an almost constant state of head in hands.

That’s not how I watched the 28 league games we won under Martin last season but each to their own.

 

2 hours ago, S-Clarke said:

He does not and will not adapt. It doesn't matter who he has avaliable to him, or who he is playing against, it's his way or no way and it's so, so, so frustrating to witness and watch.

Apart from all the times he adapted the team to get a result, such as playing Stephens in the ‘Zinchenko role’ to win away to WBA and changing from a back four to a back five when Bazunu got injured, in order to win the playoffs.

[Saint Fan CaM]

6 hours ago, HarvSFC said:

Just have to hope Leicester can still afford to sign Bazunu, Stephens, Manning, Smallbone, Fraser and potentially Wood with all the sanctions they're reportedly in line to get.

Oh come on, they’ll be able to cobble together the bus fare needed to get those losers off our books! 🤞

[austsaint]

2 minutes ago, Dusic said:

Seeing the Spurs celebrations reminded me of Wembley and how great that day was. Those one off games/moments of success are what it is all about as a football fan.

For that reason - I personally find the level of dislike for Russell Martin to be quite bizarre.

He had one full season here, inherited a shitshow and gave pretty much every Saints fan one of their best days supporting the club winning a playoff final at Wembley. Those moments will be remembered by those who were there forever.

The promotion was wonderful, and of course Martin deserves credit, even if you could argue it was a harder won thing than might have been achieved by another Manager, given the quality of the squad.  I’d say Martin created a shitshow following the promotion, rather than inherited one.  S. Clarke’s forensic summary above details many reasons why he won’t be fondly remembered by many Saints supporters.

Should he be given the Leicester job, I hope he comes in for Manning, Wood, Smallbone, Fraser, Bree and Bazunu.   The least  he could do for us in the circumstances!

[gurru991]

1 hour ago, The Kraken said:

I actually actually think he’ll do well for Leicester in the Championship, and if they don’t get clobbered with an enormous points penalty they’ll be up there.

But that’s the problem isn’t it???

He most likely would get Leicester promoted but he is not capable of winning in the Premier League. Leicester would likely do what you guys did & stick with him to long & complete the chain & get relegated again.   Leicester and Southampton both need to hire a manager that can get them promoted and also keep them in the premier.